modernization and Terrorrism pt. 2

[MightyB]

This is what you have to look forward to:
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/08/gingrich/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

Thoughts?

[sanjuro_ronin]

So, why is it that "thousands of people get up each morning wanting to destroy the US" ?

[sanjuro_ronin]

Glad to hear him say/admit that we are losing in Iraq and Afghanistan and that, like with Israel, you don't win guerilla wars, you gradualy lose them.
Of course, many Military people said the same thing BEFORE the Iraq war.

[sanjuro_ronin]

I don't care much for Newt, but he makes valid points.
Funny though, how the president of Iran visits Iraq and walks around amongst the people and Bush...well...need I say more?

[MightyB]

So, why is it that "thousands of people get up each morning wanting to destroy the US" ?

You know- if you asked them- they wouldn't be able to tell you why... they're told to hate the west in general. It's easier to blame someone else for your problems then it is to tackle them head on. Go to Abu Dhabi- see the billions in investments- the skyrise, the man-made islands etc- drive to the workers section- see the squalor- starvation, etc. The modern part was built by oil money- yes it's western money- but the west aren't the ones who aren't creating socially responsible policy with that money in those countries. How much welfare- social security- public health- education- and seed money for small business is set aside for that country's poor population? We don't do that- they do that to themselves and then blame the west. Their rich are really rich- don't want to share- have massive political and social influence- and teach their people to hate the west 'cuz it's better than building orphan ages and schools. Think Saudi Arabia.

[sanjuro_ronin]

To take the side of the "enemy":
The Israeli situation and the US support of it is still a huge issue.
The occupation of Arab land by the US is a greater issue now than it was 15 years ago.
The view of the US as imperialists is enforced on a regular basis.
Religion is used as a tool to incite hatred towards the US because of the US horrid foreign policy of "the ends justify the means".

[MightyB]

To take the side of the "enemy":
The Israeli situation and the US support of it is still a huge issue.
The occupation of Arab land by the US is a greater issue now than it was 15 years ago.
The view of the US as imperialists is enforced on a regular basis.
Religion is used as a tool to incite hatred towards the US because of the US horrid foreign policy of "the ends justify the means".

Whatever... same ol' rhetoric...

I'm curious- how many Muslim humanitarian missionaries are there? Do they exist? What I mean is, are there any? Like everyone loves to bash Christianity and Christian Missions- you know- they build schools, teach farming and building methods, spread literacy, set up world relief agencies to combat hunger, malaria, AIDS- oh yeah- they like that evil Jesus guy and want the people in those third world lands to at least listen to a sermon or two.

Do Muslims have an equivalent or is it all bombs, bullets, and martyrism for the poor?

Point to some links for citation when you find these Muslim missionaries.

So who's spread'n the hate?

All the above applies to the not so visual in the world press US Foreign policy. So what's good ol' Iran done for world peace? Holocaust- forgid about it.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Whatever... same ol' rhetoric...

I'm curious- how many Muslim humanitarian missionaries are there? Do they exist? What I mean is, are there any? Like everyone loves to bash Christianity and Christian Missions- you know- they build schools, teach farming and building methods, spread literacy, set up world relief agencies to combat hunger, malaria, AIDS- oh yeah- they like that evil Jesus guy and want the people in those third world lands to at least listen to a sermon or two.

Do Muslims have an equivalent or is it all bombs, bullets, and martyrism for the poor?

Point to some links for citation when you find these Muslim missionaries.

So who's spread'n the hate?

All the above applies to the not so visual in the world press US Foreign policy. So what's good ol' Iran done for world peace? Holocaust- forgid about it.

Just because its the same old rethoric, doesn't mean you ignore it.
That has been the problem for too long.
The "Capt. Kirk Syndrome", ignore it and hope it goes away.

[MightyB]

sort of... but it's like dealing with a woman. No matter what you do positively- you can buy her a lexus, 3 carot diamond, and a personal pool boy- and she'll still bring up that one time ten years ago when you did fill in the blank and be miffed about it.

Vietnam- by backing the French and not Ho Chi Minh- we did them the people of Vietnam serious wrong and we went to war with them. Within weeks AFTER THE WAR- the government and people of Vietnam went to work with the US to rebuild relationships. Today- Vietnam and the US have a good relationship and we're a positive influence on each other's country.

Israel took over a Palestine and the UN recognized them as a new country. THE UN- The most anti-American world organization there is. The UN recognized their right to exist.

[sanjuro_ronin]

sort of... but it's like dealing with a woman. No matter what you do positively- you can buy her a lexus, 3 carot diamond, and a personal pool boy- and she'll still bring up that one time ten years ago when you did fill in the blank and be miffed about it.

Vietnam- by backing the French and not Ho Chi Minh- we did them the people of Vietnam serious wrong and we went to war with them. Within weeks AFTER THE WAR- the government and people of Vietnam went to work with the US to rebuild relationships. Today- Vietnam and the US have a good relationship and we're a positive influence on each other's country.

Israel took over a Palestine and the UN recognized them as a new country. THE UN- The most anti-American world organization there is. The UN recognized their right to exist.

LOL @ dealing with a woman, to true !

Vietnam is Vietnam, the middle east is the middle east.
Japan is Japan, Russia is Russia, etc, etc.
The US has to learn to deal with the Arab world as a unique entity, what worked in A won't work in B.

As for Israel, that issue won't go away, ever, not until it is resolved, why?
Case we haven't noticed, the Palestinians have no where to go.

[MightyB]

LOL @ dealing with a woman, to true !

Vietnam is Vietnam, the middle east is the middle east.
Japan is Japan, Russia is Russia, etc, etc.
The US has to learn to deal with the Arab world as a unique entity, what worked in A won't work in B.

As for Israel, that issue won't go away, ever, not until it is resolved, why?
Case we haven't noticed, the Palestinians have no where to go.

lesson remembered from advanced civics course: "Peace in the Middle East is a time for Reloading."

Always loved that class...

[MightyB]

As for Israel, that issue won't go away, ever, not until it is resolved, why?
Case we haven't noticed, the Palestinians have no where to go.

Detroit

http://www.arabdetroit.com/arabamericans.php

Palestinian/Jordanian
The majority of Palestinian Americans in Metropolitan Detroit are from villages and small towns in the West bank. Sizable numbers of Palestinian Americans in Detroit are Christian. The largest concentration of Palestinian-Americans in the area is in Livonia. The first Palestinians in the Greater Detroit area arrived in the early 1890’s, but the bulk came after the Arab-Israeli wars of 1948 and 1967.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Detroit

http://www.arabdetroit.com/arabamericans.php

Palestinian/Jordanian
The majority of Palestinian Americans in Metropolitan Detroit are from villages and small towns in the West bank. Sizable numbers of Palestinian Americans in Detroit are Christian. The largest concentration of Palestinian-Americans in the area is in Livonia. The first Palestinians in the Greater Detroit area arrived in the early 1890’s, but the bulk came after the Arab-Israeli wars of 1948 and 1967.

LMAO !!
Nice one.

[MightyB]

Anyway,

Regardless of the reasons- we know, not think, we know that there are going to be more massive terrorist attacks in the future. Even Northern Michiganians or Canadians as they like to be called, are seen as enemies of these terrorists.

Are we taking the necessary precautions with our self-defense training? Or do we need better training methods?

[sanjuro_ronin]

Anyway,

Regardless of the reasons- we know, not think, we know that there are going to be more massive terrorist attacks in the future. Even Northern Michiganians or Canadians as they like to be called, are seen as enemies of these terrorists.

Are we taking the necessary precautions with our self-defense training? Or do we need better training methods?

I recall one of my first anti-terrorist session in the army, one of the instructors said the old adage, " if the enemy is willing to trade his life for a kill, its almost impossible to stop him".
Why? Because we are reacting and he is acting, hence we are a step behind.
We must be proactive and the first step is knowing WHY we are targets and changing that.
Second step is the awareness of danger BEFORE we have to react to it.
Third step is the Intent of eliminating danger, we must have it.
And so on..

[bodhitree]

Whatever... same ol' rhetoric...

I'm curious- how many Muslim humanitarian missionaries are there? Do they exist? What I mean is, are there any? Like everyone loves to bash Christianity and Christian Missions- you know- they build schools, teach farming and building methods, spread literacy, set up world relief agencies to combat hunger, malaria, AIDS- oh yeah- they like that evil Jesus guy and want the people in those third world lands to at least listen to a sermon or two.

Do Muslims have an equivalent or is it all bombs, bullets, and martyrism for the poor?

Point to some links for citation when you find these Muslim missionaries.

So who's spread'n the hate?

All the above applies to the not so visual in the world press US Foreign policy. So what's good ol' Iran done for world peace? Holocaust- forgid about it.

Islam is in it's dark age, Christianity used to be in the same! There was a time when a "mission" was to murder those who did not convert, luckily for the world and Christianity that has changed. Hopefully Islam (and Muslims) will get out of their current mentality and realize true peace, but I doubt it will happen any time soon. Too many extremeists brainwashing everyone ...

[mawali]

I'm curious- how many Muslim humanitarian missionaries are there? Do they exist? What I mean is, are there any? Like everyone loves to bash Christianity and Christian Missions- you know- they build schools, teach farming and building methods, spread literacy, set up world relief agencies to combat hunger, malaria, AIDS- oh yeah- they like that evil Jesus guy and want the people in those third world lands to at least listen to a sermon or two.

Do Muslims have an equivalent or is it all bombs, bullets, and martyrism for the poor?

Point to some links for citation when you find these Muslim missionaries.

There are many Muslim humanitarian missionaries but they have never had the distinction or separation of 'church' and or state, like Western economies. Sadly, they comingle funds and many well meaning humanitarian missions end up lost cases.

Hizbullah in Lebanon has always been humanitarian within the local community in Lebanon but due to many signing on to spurious causes and declaration of war against Israel and the West, their mission has been compromised by jihadi interests. Keep in mind that Muslim is not a single ethnicity os group as this is a false way to categorize all Muslims!

Saudi Arabia has spread Wahabi fundamentalism to such an extent that the lines have been obscured between jihad, messianic benefit and terrorist underpinnings with humanistic concerns.

[Drake]

I'm always willing to give a martyr a helping hand. :D