We done broked Antarctica??

[Lucas]

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/03/huge-chunk-of-a.html

[cjurakpt]

bees (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/27/business/27bees.html?x=1330232400&en=3aaa0148837b8977&ei=5088)

bats (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/25/science/25bats.html?_r=1&oref=slogin)

[Lucas]

all the bats migrated to the batcave. but since batman doesnt report this its still a mystery.

[sanjuro_ronin]

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/03/huge-chunk-of-a.html

Not the first or the last.

[Black Jack II]

Zero conclusive proof that mankind had anything to do with that or the other two listed issues.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Zero conclusive proof that mankind had anything to do with that or the other two listed issues.

He's right * puts away chisel*:D

[WinterPalm]

There's no way humanity has been able to change anything on this planet. Just look at the terrain globally, we haven't changed anything.:rolleyes:

[Black Jack II]

It's called colony collapse disorder and it has happened in history many, many, times.

Way before global bull**** warming was a cult-buzz word.

[TenTigers]

well, don't think for one minute you're all gonna convince me otherwise. We as humans are personally resposnible for the hole in the ozone layer and subsequent global warming.

And I am all for it.
That is why I use aerosol spray cans for everything. Spray everything. spray deoderant, spray paint, hair spray,breath spray,spray on band-aids, I even stopped buying regular cheese. I only use the spray cheese in the can.
I'm gonna have my own hole in the ozone, right over my front yard, so Next winter, I can sit out on my lounge,sipping Pina coladas out of a coconut cup (with the little umbrella) with my sun reflector, while watching that fat bastid across the street bust his hump shoveling his driveway!
"Careful of your back there, Buddy! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!"

(never did like that guy. One of those dumfuk gavonnes. "I don't care how much kurotty you know..." yeah, yeah. STFU)

[cjurakpt]

Zero conclusive proof that mankind had anything to do with that or the other two listed issues.
define "conclusive" - do you need, like, a bee coming up to you and saying "hey man, you fu(ked us"? or do you only consider blatant linear cause and effect to be an acceptable form of "proof"? the planetary ecology is a complex system, meaning that a lot of the stresses can be absorbed and compensated for for some time before they show up, sometimes in unexpected ways (just like the human body in response to repetitive strain / chronic misues: why does you left shoulder hurt when the only injury you had was to your right ankle? probably for the same reason you now get headaches subsequent to a hard fall on your butt...)


It's called colony collapse disorder and it has happened in history many, many, times.

it has happened several times in the last century (and certainly may have occurred prior to records being kept), but what is at issue is the unprecedented frequency and amplitude of the current die-offs; consider that a century ago artificial breeding of queen bees began, that ~50 years ago they started being trucked around the country to pollinate crops, and only still more recently that GMO crops and a new class of nicotine-based pesticides have been in wide spread use, and couple that with ongoing loss of natural habitat, climate change, increased EMFs, pollution, etc. and it is readily apparent that we have had a significant impact on bee populations over the last 100 years in terms of adding stressors;

to wit, from Wikipedia:
"From 1971 to 2006, there was a dramatic reduction in the number of feral (wild) honeybees in the US (now almost absent);[11] and a significant, though somewhat gradual decline in the number of colonies maintained by beekeepers. This decline includes the cumulative losses from all factors such as urbanization, pesticide use, tracheal and Varroa mites, and commercial beekeepers retiring and going out of business. However, late in the year 2006 and in early 2007 the rate of attrition was alleged to have reached new proportions, and the term "Colony Collapse Disorder" was proposed to describe this sudden rash of disappearances.[1]
Limited occurrences resembling CCD have been documented as early as 1896,[6][12] and this set of symptoms has in the past several decades been given many different names (disappearing disease, spring dwindle, May disease, autumn collapse, and fall dwindle disease).[13] Most recently, a similar phenomenon in the winter of 2004/2005 occurred, and was attributed to Varroa mites (the "Vampire Mite" scare), though this was never ultimately confirmed. Nobody has been able to determine the cause of any past appearances of this syndrome. Upon recognition that the syndrome does not seem to be seasonally-restricted, and that it may not be a "disease" in the standard sense — that there may not be a specific causative agent — the syndrome was renamed.[14]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony_Collapse_Disorder

[jo]

I really feel sorry for those believe that there is an unlimited supply of fresh air and clean water and that we cannot pollute the planet enough to have any effect on the environment.

-jo

[TenTigers]

http://blogs.reuters.com/blog/2006/12/06/that-a-spray-can-in-your-pocket/

[TenTigers]

oh my Lord, it gets better....http://www.gizmag.com/go/6534/

[kwaichang]

If you knock over one dominoe the others tend to fall as well KC

[TenTigers]

this might be the answer to the Mid-East crisis. If we can spray enough hydrocarbons into the atmosphere,then we can harness that extra solar energy that will be made available.
This, my friends, is not only the solution to the oil shortage, but perhaps I have discovered perpetual motion.
Methinks I see a Nobel prize on the horizen....



http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/0114_050114_solarplastic.html

[TenTigers]

and of course, this also means shorter skirts, and more need for spary-on stockings. It just keeps gettin better an better!

[David Jamieson]

It'll be back, after all, it is the tail end of a pretty hot summer in teh southern hemisphere.

[Yao Sing]

And then the Sun goes into a scheduled freak-out solar flares (http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/magazine/16-04/st_spaceweather).

[Black Jack II]

I really feel sorry for those believe that there is an unlimited supply of fresh air and clean water and that we cannot pollute the planet enough to have any effect on the environment.

Whoever said humans can not have an effect on the enviroment?


define "conclusive" - do you need, like, a bee coming up to you and saying "hey man, you fu(ked us

That would be rad but a little to Disney for me. How about an actual use of the scientific method based on empircal and measurable evidence which can be reviewed under testing.:D

The current hypotheses as an explanation may be mites that carry some sort of super virius that is infecting the European Honey Bee. Remeber, this is just one strain of bee and not the whole Bee world as we know it, actually its far from that.

But still, for places like Greece, this could be a very big deal. Still though, as we already talked about, this die off effect has happened in history many times.

[Yao Sing]

How about the GM crop theory, seedless cops don't need to be fertilized. Are they not attracting the bees?

[Black Jack II]

I highly doubt their are enough GM foods to cause something like this. I am a huge fan of GM foods for starving countries that need the nutrition in hard to farm lands.

Maybe those stupid *******s in Angola should get their heads out of their asses and stop with the GM food ban before almost 2 million people starve to death because of the pansy a$$ UN warning.
......sorry, I was digressing.

[Chosen-frozen]

.
......sorry, I was digressing.


Don`t give it a second thought. You still make more rational sense than 80% of the people posting here.

[Shaolin Wookie]

It's called colony collapse disorder and it has happened in history many, many, times.

Way before global bull**** warming was a cult-buzz word.

Ignorance is not a virtue.

You're a nincompoop.

[Shaolin Wookie]

this might be the answer to the Mid-East crisis. If we can spray enough hydrocarbons into the atmosphere,then we can harness that extra solar energy that will be made available.
This, my friends, is not only the solution to the oil shortage, but perhaps I have discovered perpetual motion.
Methinks I see a Nobel prize on the horizen....



http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/01/0114_050114_solarplastic.html

Yeah, but will it power up Black Jack (the Sequel)'s Turbo-powered Hummer?

[Shaolin Wookie]

Whoever said humans can not have an effect on the enviroment?



That would be rad but a little to Disney for me. How about an actual use of the scientific method based on empircal and measurable evidence which can be reviewed under testing.:D

The current hypotheses as an explanation may be mites that carry some sort of super virius that is infecting the European Honey Bee. Remeber, this is just one strain of bee and not the whole Bee world as we know it, actually its far from that.

But still, for places like Greece, this could be a very big deal. Still though, as we already talked about, this die off effect has happened in history many times.


Points to consider:

1-Humans are animals.

2-Humans are the largest mammal population on the face of the earth.

3-Humans have paved the whole ****ing world.

4-Human growth often overruns food and land supply (in the marketplace).

Now, I want you to consider what we do when deer populations grow a little too much and destabilize the environment.

Why can't we see that, as a population of hairless apes, we need to start thinning the herd?

BTW--I'm not saying we can't keep ****ing, or that we have to rifle our neighbors down--but why not practice responsibility?

Oh yeah...........these guys:

[Shaolin Wookie]

I highly doubt their are enough GM foods to cause something like this. I am a huge fan of GM foods for starving countries that need the nutrition in hard to farm lands.

Maybe those stupid *******s in Angola should get their heads out of their asses and stop with the GM food ban before almost 2 million people starve to death because of the pansy a$$ UN warning.
......sorry, I was digressing.

Why are they starving, BJII? Obviously, because they don't have food, but hte problem involves our global politics, chief.

During the colonization of Africa, we destroyed the native farming practices. The native populace had a kind of silo storage system that backed up food preserves for a good 7 years (having been around for, oh, millennia, the Africans knew how to rotate crops and store harvests to combat famine--a thing they weren't unfamiliar with). Being the officious *****s we were (mostly Europeans, at the time), we went in and eradicated the practices, ripped up the land, and cropped it up to peanut-farmers. When our colonies collapsed, the transatlantic slave trade and the earth-unfriendly peanut farming had destroyed these cultural practices in the 100-150 year period, and depleted the nutritive elements in the soil. So what do you get? An impoverished, oppressed, poor nation without its farming practices, and with unhealthy land. (It's a little north, but go read a book about desertification in the Sahel.....and no, don't do a Google search. You've proven a fine example of a 300MHZ scholar--try looking into research that undergoes peer review and editing...LOL.....)

Big wonder, eh?

But maybe we could make it up.....Democracy, anyone?

[Yum Cha]

When a man argues with a donkey, the donkey always looks better...

GM foods? Global Warming? Now I know who is actually reading the Monsanto literature and old Genteal Motors Websites?

Living proof that ignorance is bliss.

[Ben Gash]

well, don't think for one minute you're all gonna convince me otherwise. We as humans are personally resposnible for the hole in the ozone layer and subsequent global warming.

And I am all for it.
That is why I use aerosol spray cans for everything. Spray everything. spray deoderant, spray paint, hair spray,breath spray,spray on band-aids, I even stopped buying regular cheese. I only use the spray cheese in the can.
I'm gonna have my own hole in the ozone, right over my front yard, so Next winter, I can sit out on my lounge,sipping Pina coladas out of a coconut cup (with the little umbrella) with my sun reflector, while watching that fat bastid across the street bust his hump shoveling his driveway!
"Careful of your back there, Buddy! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!"

(never did like that guy. One of those dumfuk gavonnes. "I don't care how much kurotty you know..." yeah, yeah. STFU)

Um, Ozone depletion leads to increased UV exposure, not global warming.

[David Jamieson]

gm foods are not the cause of global warming. I don't even want to say "global warming" and would prefer to stick with "climate change" instead.


Which is a constant whether we are here or not. That is the natural cycle of things according to the geological record as well.

I don't think our polluting behaviour is doing us any good and it si likely a source of all sorts of things from cancers to respiratory disease to species reduction in song birds, insects, fish, mammals and so on.

terminator seeds are being looked into as part of the cause for the bee reduction. Could be linked to bats as well.

I think there is too much emotionalism and political ranting tied to the data taht does exist and i think also that the data that does exist is inconclusive.

do our activities cause damage? yes, without question. this is easily proven.
can the damage be reversed. Yes! Earth has a clear record in it's geological layers that show that almost all life was completely wiped off the face of the planet before humans even existed! then, it grew back! So, the only real reason we should clen up our act is for our own self interest as a species.

the side effect is that the earth will return to a more natural cycle of climate change and we can be a little more guilt free about it while we starve and die in the droughts that will come anyway. :)
sad but true.

[TenTigers]

Um, Ozone depletion leads to increased UV exposure, not global warming.
(sigh) just as well. You have any idea how hard it is to find a good spray on Tilset, or Roquefort?

[TenTigers]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=B3KBuQHHKx0