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Chang Style Novice
05-02-2001, 06:56 PM
I just caught "The Art of War" on video, and liked it a lot more than I expected. Between this movie and "Blade," I'm compelled to ask.

What is Wesley Snipes ma training?

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jackiech
05-03-2001, 01:25 PM
I have hear, that Wesley snipes train mixed martial arts. But thease martial arts are not goods.it's martial art which is using in the films

Design Sifu
05-03-2001, 09:44 PM
I seem to recall he was doing TKD mixed of course with HollywoodFU.
:p

samurai
05-08-2001, 10:23 PM
Wesley Snipes is a Fourth Degree Black Belt in Shotokan Karate. He is a very good martial artist and works hard to stay that way. He is not just using Hollywood-fu in his movies.
-Jeremy Bays

Grappling-Insanity
05-10-2001, 09:33 PM
Of course he's using hollywoodFU in those movies. Did you see all those high kicks, and blantenly non effective moves. Those arnt moves he'd use on the street buddy....

Tru-MA
05-16-2001, 03:16 PM
I read in a martial arts book that Wesley Snipes trained in Capoeria also. Anyone want to confirm or deny? I was a bit skeptical considering that I didn't see him bust out any break dancing-like moves :)

Daedalus
05-16-2001, 10:37 PM
Wesley Snipes was promoted not long ago (around the same time Blade came out). He is now a fifth degree black belt.

He was promoted by Jhoon Rhee, Chan Poi, Dennis Brown, and a couple of others. What his official style is, I don't know.

Kristoffer
07-03-2001, 11:30 AM
I think he SUCK.
But he is cool thought. :)

~K~
"maybe not in combat..... but think of the chicks man, the chicks!"

red5angel
12-23-2002, 10:48 AM
anone know what he practices? I know he is big into the Japanese arts.
I was watching Blade II the other night, the fight at the end, there is something very cool about the choreography. Not eveyr shot was a strike but it seemed like they were doing alot of feinting or something there.....

Chang Style Novice
12-23-2002, 11:27 AM
There's a commentary track on the Blade 2 DVD where he talks a lot about the fight choreography. I remember him specifically mentioning boxing, pencat silat, and kempo, but there's probably more. If you get a chance to listen to the track, I highly recommend it. The commentary track from the director is good, too.

kenso
12-23-2002, 11:34 AM
I think the art he has trained in the longest is Shotokan. He has since dabbled in other arts, but has legitimate dan grading in karate.

dezhen2001
12-23-2002, 11:49 AM
as far as i know he has trained in aiki jujistu as well as a few others kinda JKD ish...

i was glad to see blade 2 coz it has some real scrapping in it compared ot all the wire work of the time the movie was released :)

dawood

red5angel
12-23-2002, 12:00 PM
Good Idea CSN, I may have to sit down and watch it tonight with directors commentary, etc...

You guys know what I am talking about though right? Where it almost looks lie they are patting each other down then hitting each other? A good example is when he goes to break the arm of Novak, instead of doing some quick grab and break he sort of sets it up first....

FatherDog
12-23-2002, 12:39 PM
Snipes holds a legitimate (as far as I'm aware) black belt in Shotokan, and has trained Capoeira with some degree of dedication.

He's also studied stuff like boxing and silat and such, but in the "actor fight scene study" sense of "study." I don't know one way or the other if he's gone into any of them in more depth.

African Tiger? You wanna jump in on this? I'm sure you know better than any of us...

SevenStar
12-23-2002, 12:41 PM
I heard an interview with him on the radio aroung the time that Blade 2 came out, and when he was asked about martial arts, the only two he mentioned were karate and capoeira

greyseal
12-23-2002, 12:52 PM
Actually. . .
Just before Blade II came out in the theatres, they showed a rerun of a martial arts demonstration--more of a show really--that included several well-known masters of various martial arts. The show was entitled "Masters of the Martial Arts" (presented by Wesley Snipes). In it Wesley Snipes is given some sort of award for his acheivments. I beleive that he holds a dan Shotokan.

apoweyn
12-23-2002, 12:54 PM
capoeira, i've definitely heard him mention. but nobody's mentioned eskrima yet, so i'll toss that into the growing list. his frequent training partner (who, i believe, did much of the choreography for the original) is jeff ward, a pekita tersia eskrimador (among other things, i daresay). much of the swordplay, in particular, came from there. (notice how much of blade's swordplay is one handed. not two handed, like you might expect from a more japanese approach, though i'm no expert on kenjutsu.)


stuart b.

red5angel
12-23-2002, 01:06 PM
nice catch Ap, I hadn't even looked at his sword play much!

apoweyn
12-23-2002, 01:39 PM
well, i wouldn't have looked at it and said, "that's eskrima!" i just happened to have read about the original when it came out. and i was familiar with jeff ward. he talked about blade's sword style being a fusion of several things, including eskrima. he said that snipes actually travels with a pair of eskrima sticks so he can train on location.

not firsthand knowledge, obviously. but do with it what you will.


stuart b.

Former castleva
12-23-2002, 02:21 PM
I have the idea he holds something like 5th dan in karate,which sounds freaky but I believe it it to be so.
Dunno about other cases.

Serpent
12-23-2002, 04:11 PM
As far as I know, all the fighting in Blade II was choreographed by Donnie Yen, who also played the dude with the katana.

Chang Style Novice
12-23-2002, 04:24 PM
Yeah, he got the screen credit, but who did the actual work apparently shook down rather not the same (creative differences, ya know - it's all on the commentary track.)

Basically, the stunt co-ordinator, who's name I forget did most of it, with Donnie and Wesley splitting the remainder. They talk about who choreographed what fight and all that stuff. It's interesting to hear, and really gets across the fact that screen credits only tell part of the story.

Machimurasan
12-23-2002, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by Former castleva
I have the idea he holds something like 5th dan in karate,which sounds freaky but I believe it it to be so.
Dunno about other cases.

What is this lumping together of karate like all karate was the same? He is an honorary 5th dan in Shotokan. This created some controversy amongst many senseis as it wasn't necessarily earned, but awarded for his recognition of various masters on his " Masters.." deal that promo'd Blade I.

He is probably closer to 2nd or 3rd degree in reality, but that would still make him a bad-arse. He did study Capoeira, Shorin Ryu, and FMAs but not to the degree he did Japanese Karate (Shotokan). Why would he do some sorry arsed style like Kenpo if he knew a legit karate style like Shotokan? Kenpo suxxxxxxxxxxxxxx!

Chang Style Novice
12-23-2002, 05:51 PM
Ah, good. I was worried we didn't have enough style vs. style warriors on the board.

Serpent
12-23-2002, 06:10 PM
Ah well, at least we're finally moving on to a more contemporary movie ass-kicker. Maybe Bruce Lee can finally get some rest...

*RING RING*

*RING RING*

Excuse me a minute...

*RING....*

Hello?

Mmm-hmm.

Sure, no problem.

Bye.



OK, that was Bruce on the phone. He rang me as Ryu's not around at the moment. He said to tell you that he thinks Wesley Snipes deserves his Shotokan degree, that Kenpo and Kempo are both just a variation on JKD, that BJJ is totally inferior to Shaolin-Do and that he wishes you lot all the best now you've finally moved onto a new movie star to mock, harass, berate and pretend like you know all about him.

;)

SevenStar
12-23-2002, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by Machimurasan


What is this lumpimg together of karate like all karate was the same? He is an honorary 5th dan in Shotokan. This created some controversy amongst many senseis as it wasn't necessarily earned, but awarded for his recognition of various masters on his " Masters.." deal that promo'd Blade I.

He is probably closer to 2nd or 3rd degree in reality, but that would still make him a bad-arse. He did study Capoeira, Shorin Ryu, and FMAs but not to the degree he did Japanese Karate (Shotokan). Why would he do some sorry arsed style like Kenpo if he knew a legit karate style like Shotokan? Kenpo suxxxxxxxxxxxxxx!

The honorary thing is nothing new to MA, there are many others with honorary ranks, one of whom is Brian Genesse - the guy from the early 90's series 'street justice'. He was given an honorary black sash in hung gar. He does have a legit black belt in TKD though, and some CMA training.

apoweyn
12-24-2002, 08:12 AM
Originally posted by Serpent
As far as I know, all the fighting in Blade II was choreographed by Donnie Yen, who also played the dude with the katana.


yeah, i understood that too. i think jeff ward choreographed the first one (which is no slouch in the screen fu category either).

apoweyn
12-24-2002, 08:16 AM
The honorary thing is nothing new to MA, there are many others with honorary ranks, one of whom is Brian Genesse - the guy from the early 90's series 'street justice'. He was given an honorary black sash in hung gar. He does have a legit black belt in TKD though, and some CMA training.

and some FMA training to boot. i always liked that guy. not really certain why. maybe because when 'street justice' was out, it was one of the few shows at that time to have a genuine martial arts character. [shrug]

apoweyn
12-24-2002, 08:21 AM
Why would he do some sorry arsed style like Kenpo if he knew a legit karate style like Shotokan? Kenpo suxxxxxxxxxxxxxx!


reporting live, from the interior of my own arse, this is machimurasan saying, "goodnight, KFO."

Chang Style Novice
12-24-2002, 08:26 AM
Much as I like both Blade movies, I really wish Wesley's black James Bond riff in "The Art of War" had been a better, more profitable movie so we could see some more of that style. Especially since Bond isn't doing much for me these days (no, I haven't yet seen "Die Another Day.") Maybe they could cast him as a Bond villain - that might spruce things up. Nah, I'd never buy Pierce Brosnan kicking Snipes' tuchis.

apoweyn
12-24-2002, 08:54 AM
i agree completely. the art of war had a lot of promise. and delivered on very little of it. (though i still liked the movie alright.) blade is, so far, the best realized of snipes' action movies, i think. the blade franchise, i mean. not just the first one. (i actually think blade 2 is better.)

but i really enjoyed passenger 57, for crying out loud.

check out undisputed as well. it's boxing, but it's still got some nice fight scenes. (of course, i quite like boxing. YMMV) you can see snipes' karate background in the choreography. he retracts his hands in a way that looks more TMA than boxing a couple of times. but i don't care. it's fun to watch regardless.



stuart b.

apoweyn
12-24-2002, 08:54 AM
p.s. for whatever it's worth, 'die another day' is far, far better than the last bond film.


stuart b.

Chang Style Novice
12-24-2002, 09:16 AM
Really? I finally caught "The World Is Not Enough" on video a ways back, and figured it was a real step up for the franchise. But I really like Robert Carlyle and thought he made a really good villain (half the battle right there.) Plus Sophie Marceau was the hottest bond gal I'd seen in a while.

Back to Snipes: I checked imdb, and his next project is based on a book called "The Killer's Game." Here's the summary I found on Amazon

"As a hit man, Joe Flood deals in death. But when his doctor tells him that he has only months to live, he puts out an open contract on his own life with a 6-million-dollar reward. But now there's a catch; the lab made a mistake and he'll live - unless one of his competitors can cash in on his contract. Now it's kill or be killed as Joe tries to stay one step ahead of his fellow stalkers in a romp that bristles with suspense."

Sounds a bit gimmicky, but promising. I'd prefer if Hollywood went back to old-fashioned script that were pretty meat and potatoes plotwise, but put a lot of characterization into 'em. That's what I get for renting bunches of Burt Lancaster, Robert Mitchum, and Lee Marvin, I guess.

apoweyn
12-24-2002, 09:27 AM
i didn't think much of 'the world is not enough.' carlyle was cool, no doubt. but denise richards as a nuclear physicist?! can denise richards even spell physicist? (granted, it took me three tries... ) and while sophie marceau was gorgeous in braveheart, i felt like she did a little too much, 'i'm french and beautiful, so you must love me' in this flick.

in any event, i thought 'die another day' was much better. so if you dug the last one, i'd encourage you to give this one a shot. but that's just an opinion.

as for snipes, yeah that's a bit gimmicky. but if it gives an excuse for some quality mayhem, i'm all for it. :)

that said, i have to agree with your call on some of the older action flicks. i finally got around to seeing 'the french connection' the other day. frankly, i don't see how an action movie can go wrong when your star is named 'hack man.'

back to snipes: there's been talk for ages about him starring as another marvel hero, the black panther. personally, i'm keeping my fingers crossed. i'm thinking that would be worth seeing.


stuart b.

Chang Style Novice
12-24-2002, 09:36 AM
But...but...but...

How would they do the Black Panther/Blade crossover?!!?

No, give it to Don Cheadle.

red5angel
12-24-2002, 09:36 AM
I hope he keeps going with Blade, the second one was better then the first so hopefully they can keep that pace up.

apoweyn
12-24-2002, 09:47 AM
i think number three is already in the works.

Chang Style Novice
12-24-2002, 09:53 AM
For a good old fashioned machismo-fest triple feature of the stars I mentioned before, I don't think you could do better than The Train, Cape Fear, and Point Blank.

The Train (1964) has Lancaster (at 50!) as a French Resistance fighter trying to prevent Nazis from stealing Paris' great art treasures. Lancaster not only does his own stunts, he doubles for other actors.

Cape Fear (1962) is the superior version of the Nolte/DeNiro picture from a ways back. Mitchum plays a stalker/serial killer/rapist smart enough to keep the law on his side and tough enough to beat the crap out of three hoods Gregory Peck sics on him. He's only scarier in Night of the Hunter, but he's tougher here.

Point Blank (1967) is the superior version of Mel Gibson's Payback from a few years back. Marvin figures the mob owes him some money and kills and kills and kills his way up the ladder past petty functionaries who think they're too smart for him.

If you're not ready to devour the still beating heart of your enemy after watching these three videos, probably nothing's gonna do it.

Okay, maybe The Wild Bunch.

apoweyn
12-24-2002, 10:02 AM
'the train.' that's what i was watching the other day. saw the last 10 minutes of a flick and had no idea what it was. but that must have been it.

'point blank' is one i meant to check out after seeing 'payback' and forgot. i'll mention it to dad this weekend. bet he'd like to see that too.

'the wild bunch' we did see together. last christmas, i believe. good times.

i'd read a couple of times that sam peckinpah was a big influence on john woo. but having seen 'the killer elite', i couldn't really see it. so i rented 'getaway.' the original mcqueen/mcgraw version. it's more obvious in the last 10 minutes of that film. and finally, 'the wild bunch.' the finale particularly. good grief, that film rocks. one day, i'll get around to seeing 'straw dogs.'


stuart b.

Chang Style Novice
12-24-2002, 10:11 AM
I experienced what I think is the best way to see The Wild Bunch about a month ago. A friend of mine's wife was out of town for a conference, so he invited a few of his male friends over, and we smoked cigars (and uh, other stuff) drank a whole bottle of whiskey (right from the neck - no glasses) and killed a case of beer over the course of the 2.5 hours or so it took to view it.

My recommendation for Straw Dogs is: don't see it with your wife, or any woman present. There is a Sam Peckinpah movie for that, but it's Junior Bonner.

And to barely stay on topic, I sure hope Blade 3 kicks a lot of ass, too! They'll need the right director, though.

red5angel
12-24-2002, 10:13 AM
Hmm, I did enjoy Payback, I thought it was a good interpretation of the original!

however, best scene in a movie so far this year, the dorrbell scene in Transporter, I don't know why but that scene was funny as hell to me....

SevenStar
12-24-2002, 10:24 AM
speaking of black panther, my cousin is an artist - he currently works on music vids and such, but in the late 90's, he mentioned to me that he was working on a project to make a movie out of power man, but it fell through. I want to say he they threw up the idea of Snipes playing him, but it's been so long that I don't remember.

while we're on comic heroes, check these out: http://actionfiguresbygofigure.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/page111.html - high priced, but the look pretty good.

Yeah, I always liked Brian Genesse also. I'd take 'Highlander' over 'Street Justice' any day though

apoweyn
12-24-2002, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
I experienced what I think is the best way to see The Wild Bunch about a month ago. A friend of mine's wife was out of town for a conference, so he invited a few of his male friends over, and we smoked cigars (and uh, other stuff) drank a whole bottle of whiskey (right from the neck - no glasses) and killed a case of beer over the course of the 2.5 hours or so it took to view it.

My recommendation for Straw Dogs is: don't see it with your wife, or any woman present. There is a Sam Peckinpah movie for that, but it's Junior Bonner.

And to barely stay on topic, I sure hope Blade 3 kicks a lot of ass, too! They'll need the right director, though.


there are so many movies i don't see with my wife. evil dead, for example. evil dead 2, sure. but not the original. (of course, i never plan to set eyes on the original again myself, so... ) besides, my wife has this great theory on martial arts movies. they're like porn. any plot exists solely for the purpose of getting from one fight/boink to the next. she's right. but it doesn't make for a great time watching kung fu with her (though, in her defense, she likes the better ones, like iron monkey and CTHD).

i think that guillermo del toro is tagged to direct blade 3, based on his work for blade 2. it's rumoured to be like day of the dead, in that the entire world is vampires. humanity lost. and blade is pretty much it.


stuart b.

apoweyn
12-24-2002, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by red5angel
Hmm, I did enjoy Payback, I thought it was a good interpretation of the original!

however, best scene in a movie so far this year, the dorrbell scene in Transporter, I don't know why but that scene was funny as hell to me....

i'll second that. there was a lot to like in 'the transporter.' but the door scene took the cake. jason statham rules.


stuart b.

apoweyn
12-24-2002, 10:36 AM
Originally posted by SevenStar
speaking of black panther, my cousin is an artist - he currently works on music vids and such, but in the late 90's, he mentioned to me that he was working on a project to make a movie out of power man, but it fell through. I want to say he they threw up the idea of Snipes playing him, but it's been so long that I don't remember.

that would be great too. perhaps throw in mark dacascos as ironfist? he's power man's sidekick, yeah?


Yeah, I always liked Brian Genesse also. I'd take 'Highlander' over 'Street Justice' any day though

that'd be a tough call for me. but i did really like adrian paul in that role as well. he did some hung gar too, if memory serves. mostly choy li fut, but a little hung gar, taekwondo, etc.

genesse occassionally pulled out some stickwork in 'street justice.' i always enjoyed that.



stuart b.

red5angel
12-24-2002, 10:39 AM
This is interesting....

http://www.moviehole.net/news.php?newsid=534

http://www.upcominghorrormovies.com/movies/blade3.html

Chang Style Novice
12-24-2002, 10:54 AM
Hmmm...I wold like to see Del Toro do Hellboy, maybe even more than I'd like to see him on Blade 3. I haven't heard of this Oliver Hirschbiegel before, but he's got a picture called The Experiment based on the Stanford Prison Experiments that got a 7.6 rating at imdb. That sounds very promising indeed.

Thanks for those links, Red5Angel. Although I don't like the looks of this (http://www.moviehole.net/news.php?newsid=770) at all!:eek:

red5angel
12-24-2002, 11:00 AM
"I don't see why James Bond has to be a man all the time."


Except the character was written that way.....of course I am just a sheuvansitcic pig anyway.....

SevenStar
12-24-2002, 11:06 AM
" If things work out as planned, we may see a couple of other somewhat obscure Marvel characters making an appearing in the film. "

interesting!

Yeah, the stickwork was good, no doubt. I loved the swordplay in highlander, and also I thought the character of Methos was well suited for his part. You know who shocked me? Remember when Richard Moll (Bull from 'Night Court') was in it? It was the first two episodes of the series, if I remember right. He did a very good job.

Chang Style Novice
12-24-2002, 11:09 AM
What could be worse than Sarah Michelle Geller as James Bond?

Eminem as Batman! (http://www.moviehole.net/news.php?newsid=773)

apoweyn
12-24-2002, 11:11 AM
unfortunately, sevenstar, i missed the first couple. took me a while to get into that show.

i definitely dug the odd synthesis of sword styles in that show though. everything from saber fencing to kenjutsu. that's entertainment.

:)

rogue
12-24-2002, 11:28 AM
Pierce Brosnan has yet to make a good Bond flick, which I owe more to the production staff than him. But he was fantastic as Thomas Crown and I wish they'd make some more of those. You Only Live Twice, Bond and ninjas how could you go wrong?

Snipes has the acting chops to go with his karate chops.

Anybody remember a porn flick titled Raw Talent? They were trying to combine martial arts into the adult genre. Not that I ever saw the movie.

rogue
12-24-2002, 11:33 AM
Highlander the series drove me nuts. The series followed a predictable formula for years, but I loved it anyway, and then gets really good with the Watcher wars, Ritchie going bad, Mithros and then goes off the air. What the heck happened?

apoweyn
12-24-2002, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by rogue
Pierce Brosnan has yet to make a good Bond flick, which I owe more to the production staff than him. But he was fantastic as Thomas Crown and I wish they'd make some more of those. You Only Live Twice, Bond and ninjas how could you go wrong?

Snipes has the acting chops to go with his karate chops.

Anybody remember a porn flick titled Raw Talent? They were trying to combine martial arts into the adult genre. Not that I ever saw the movie.


i was actually saying something like that to my wife when we saw the last bond film. liked it. but i was thinking, 'whatever happened to the big battle finales? this one-on-one stuff is fine, but where are the battling armies of ninja and henchmen?'

it was better in the good ol' days. [creak]


stuart b.

apoweyn
12-24-2002, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by rogue
Highlander the series drove me nuts. The series followed a predictable formula for years, but I loved it anyway, and then gets really good with the Watcher wars, Ritchie going bad, Mithros and then goes off the air. What the heck happened?


yeah, it was formulaic. but on the rare occassion that they broke the formula, i felt cheated. "what gives?! where's the immortal baddie?!!"

[shrug]

highlander ends too soon. x-files goes on too long. go figure.


stuart b.

rogue
12-24-2002, 12:46 PM
Yup the underwater battle in Thunderball had to be the coolest thing when I was a kid. And the bad guys and their weapons were memorable. The shoe knives, the bowler, the golden gun. The last Bond flick was the worse for me since they had the parts there for a good flick and didn't do squat with it. Best Bonds in order are Connery, Dalton, Lazenby, Moore and Brosnan. For the life of me I'm drawing a blank on the JB of Casino Royale.

SevenStar
12-24-2002, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by apoweyn
unfortunately, sevenstar, i missed the first couple. took me a while to get into that show.

i definitely dug the odd synthesis of sword styles in that show though. everything from saber fencing to kenjutsu. that's entertainment.

:)

Did you catch the one with the espada y daga guys? Yeah, the series definitely ended too early.

JAZA
12-24-2002, 02:10 PM
One of few good things of the movie was my compatriot Leonor Varela.

FatherDog
12-24-2002, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by apoweyn
besides, my wife has this great theory on martial arts movies. they're like porn. any plot exists solely for the purpose of getting from one fight/boink to the next.

I've said this for years, but it's not just martial arts movies. It's the difference between a genre movie and a movie that happens to be set in a genre. In a movie that happens to be set in a genre, the special interest scenes (be they martial arts fights, gunfights, slapstick humor, or money shots) are integrated parts of the story. In a genre movie, the story's only purpose is to justify the special interest scenes.

For instance, in The Unforgiven, the gun scenes are an integral part of the plot; they illustrate the main themes the movie is dealing with. In The Quick and the Dead, the story is clearly there as an excuse to see gunfights.

Also, if you guys liked Payback and Point Blank, the book that they're both based on (The Hunter, by Richard Stark) is the first in a long series of books, all starring the same main character. You might be interested to read some of 'em.

Chang Style Novice
12-24-2002, 05:02 PM
Isn't Richard Stark really Donald Westlake?

Machimurasan
12-24-2002, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by apoweyn



reporting live, from the interior of my own arse, this is machimurasan saying, "goodnight, KFO."

You must be American Kenpo or TKD. How about Oblivious Ryu? As for the location of my broadcast, "live from your moms ass with the 6 o'clock news, the story I gots to tell you is you ain't gots no clue"!

Unknown + Quantity = Ultimate Terminus...

Chang Style Novice
12-24-2002, 05:53 PM
A good night's sleep hasn't changed you from an irritating lackwit, I see.

FatherDog
12-24-2002, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
Isn't Richard Stark really Donald Westlake?

Yes, Richard Stark is the pen name he writes the Parker series under.

And while Machimura is a bit more eloquent than Tinman or Ralek, he's apparently just as much of a mongoloid retard. Sadly, while we suspect that Ralek and Tinman are deliberate trollers, the general tone makes me suspect that Machi really is convinced that Shotokan is the be-all end-all, rendering kempo and TKD useless in comparison. Saddening, but not shocking, since the general tone also makes me suspect that he's about as bright as a bag of wet hair.

PHILBERT
12-25-2002, 12:34 AM
According to the Internet Movie Database, Snipes


He is a 5th Degree Black Belt

Practices Capoeira, Brazilian martial arts.

Doesn't say what the 5th Degree Black Belt is in though. Might be Capoeira.

Mr Punch
12-25-2002, 01:57 AM
Originally posted by rogue
For the life of me I'm drawing a blank on the JB of Casino Royale.

David Niven.

Thank you to everyone for such enriching contributions to the English language such as 'lackwit' (it's been a long time...!) and 'as bright as a bag of wet hair', so I suppose I should, by proxy, thank the redoutable Machimura ('Waiting Wall'??? Nandarouna?!) for reporting live, from his own arse!

:D


James Bond has never regained the heights achieved by Sean, dear Sean. Gave up watching them without whisky.

BTW Ap (was it?)... why do you think Point Blank is better than Payback? I really really liked Payback, but I don't remember Point Blank...

Chang Style Novice
12-25-2002, 06:34 AM
Mat -

I don't know if Ap said be preferred Point Blank, but I did.

For one thing, Marvin's performance. He gets across the notion of single-minded, cagey badass in a way that Gibson just fails to, in my mind.

For another, the writing. Each of his schemes to get close to the mobsters is simple and elegant, rather than fancy and improbable.

For a third, the overall direction. Payback is full of picturesque, campy silliness, like a Disneyland ride called "Thugs of the Underworld" not just in the sets, but in the costuming, acting, casting and everything else. In Point Blank (with only two exceptions I can think of) things stay pretty low-key, and everyone just sort of acts like they've got a job to do - a job that involves money-laundering, robbery, drug sales, murder and all that, but it's a nine to fiver like anything and we may as well do it now so we can go have some beers and catch a ball game tonight. Theme music and fancy camera tricks are kept to a minimum so the story does all the work. It's just altogether more grim, gritty, and hard boiled. It's almost flat, in fact, which gives me a more naturalistic view of events that I find a lot more convincing than the 'song and dance' approach of Payback. And since I'm more convinced of its veracity, I'm drawn in more.

Former castleva
12-25-2002, 09:30 AM
I always liked Moore the best,still do.

BTW,if someone happens to remember George Lazenby with his single Bond flick "At her Majesty´s service" if I remember the name correctly.
Well even though I´ve never seen him in any other movies (which is no surprise) I think he had this one tough guy film "Stoner" or something like that in which Sammo Hung,according to his own words "taught him to fight" or related.

Stacey
12-26-2002, 08:46 AM
been watcing bond films and the fight scenes are more realistic than Romeo Must Die or many other contemperaries.

Its based on Judo and boxing I think, but sometimes joint locks don't work, so he has to hit them and improvise. The power generation is all wrong, but I'm not trying to be picky. The fight choreographers did well though.

Chang Style Novice
12-26-2002, 09:41 AM
The only Roger Moore Bond movie worthy of attention is "For Your Eyes Only", where they tone down the goofiness and nonsense enough to make it halfway believable (and thereby allow you to care what happens.)

The best of all time is of course "From Russia With Love."

PHILBERT
12-26-2002, 10:36 PM
Wasn't From Russia With Love the one where Bond and the girl are on a speed boat being shot at, then dump ALL there fuel barrels off the back (which they needed for the voyage) and shoot them (which of course takes out all the bad guys) then in the next scene they are in there destination (which of course, without running out of fuel)? I remember seeing that in one Bond film and thought "Um...yeah, and HOW did they get there without gas?"

FatherDog
12-27-2002, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by PHILBERT
I remember seeing that in one Bond film and thought "Um...yeah, and HOW did they get there without gas?"

Nothing beats You Only Live Twice, where Sean Connery disguises himself as a humble Japanese fisherman by getting a deep tan and squinting.

apoweyn
12-31-2002, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by SevenStar


Did you catch the one with the espada y daga guys? Yeah, the series definitely ended too early.

hmm... i don't think so. you mean the western espada y daga? or filipino?

there was a guy that worked on that show, anthony... somebody, who was big into western weapons, yeah? and the bullwhip too. i think he had an italian surname.

...

bugger.


stuart b.

apoweyn
12-31-2002, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by Machimurasan


You must be American Kenpo or TKD. How about Oblivious Ryu? As for the location of my broadcast, "live from your moms ass with the 6 o'clock news, the story I gots to tell you is you ain't gots no clue"!

Unknown + Quantity = Ultimate Terminus...


well gee ****, rocket scientist, how about you hit the prominent button that says 'profile' and look for yourself.

...

nevermind. it involves an awful lot of moving your hand and clicking buttons. so i'll spare you. i haven't studied taekwondo for years and years. never studied kenpo.

speaking of profiles, you were born in 1967. and you've been practicing for more than 20 years. i have to tell you that i find that really hard to accept.

no expiration date on being an arsehead, i suppose.


stuart b.

[edited to point out that apparently we can't say 'wh!z' on KFO]

apoweyn
12-31-2002, 03:30 PM
BTW Ap (was it?)... why do you think Point Blank is better than Payback? I really really liked Payback, but I don't remember Point Blank...

not me. i haven't seen 'point blank.' chang style novice replied to you though. i suspect he's the guy you were referring to.


stuart b.

African Tiger
01-01-2003, 03:20 PM
Whew! Sorry guys, went to South Carolina for the holiday!

Um, you guys probably have posted more about his BG than I can inform you. He does have over 20 years in various arts, which include Chinese Kenpo (verified by Stephen Dorriff's stuntman, that I met while working Martial Law), Capoera definitely (you can see some of that in the previews of The Art of War), and I certainly suspect Shotokan and TKD - he executes some pretty nice jump kicks in Money Train and Passenger 57.

Never met the man, unfortunately, but now that my own career is fast-tracking to the top (THANK YOU JESUS!!! - apologies to non-Christians :)) I definitely will.

To speak on honorary belts, let's not forget that Elvis was given one of his advanced ranks honorarily by Sensei Parker. Although from what I understand, Elvis was very dedicated to Kenpo. He went so far as to place Ed Parker's logo on his guitar, and even appears in a training film that has recently surfaced.

And...Kenpo does not suck! :p Besides, we all know for a fact that Savate and Shotokan reign supreme in the world of worthless martial arts. And Shaolin Do (rk) and Temple Dung-Fu are straight up scams...but, I'm preaching to the choir......

BJJ-Blue
11-19-2010, 12:21 PM
"A federal judge granted a government motion that actor Wesley Snipes be ordered to prison.

Snipes had been convicted on tax evasion charges in 2008.

His attorneys had requested a new trial, but that motion was denied on Friday by U.S. District Court Judge William Terrell Hodges.

Earlier this month, federal attorneys had asked a central Florida judge to revoke Wesley Snipes' bond if the actor was granted a new trial, but it looks like that point is now moot.

Snipes' attorneys argued he deserved a new trial because of jury bias in his 2008 conviction. They said two jurors were accusing other jurors of deciding the case without hearing evidence.

They also said prosecutors hid damaging information about a key witness.

Federal prosecutors argued interviewing those jurors about their deliberations would violate juror rules, and intimidate future juries.

The star of the "Blade" trilogy faces a three-year prison sentence.

Snipes has been free on bond while appealing.

Emails from FOX411.com to Snipes' attorneys were not immediately returned."

Source:
http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/11/19/wesley-snipes-ordered-to-prison-for-tax-evasion/?test=faces

I say he got a raw deal. He should have got a censure like Charles Rangel or a high paying Gov't job like Tim Geithner, neither of whom spent a day in prison.

Reality_Check
11-19-2010, 12:42 PM
"A federal judge granted a government motion that actor Wesley Snipes be ordered to prison.

Snipes had been convicted on tax evasion charges in 2008.

His attorneys had requested a new trial, but that motion was denied on Friday by U.S. District Court Judge William Terrell Hodges.

Earlier this month, federal attorneys had asked a central Florida judge to revoke Wesley Snipes' bond if the actor was granted a new trial, but it looks like that point is now moot.

Snipes' attorneys argued he deserved a new trial because of jury bias in his 2008 conviction. They said two jurors were accusing other jurors of deciding the case without hearing evidence.

They also said prosecutors hid damaging information about a key witness.

Federal prosecutors argued interviewing those jurors about their deliberations would violate juror rules, and intimidate future juries.

The star of the "Blade" trilogy faces a three-year prison sentence.

Snipes has been free on bond while appealing.

Emails from FOX411.com to Snipes' attorneys were not immediately returned."

Source:
http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/11/19/wesley-snipes-ordered-to-prison-for-tax-evasion/?test=faces

I say he got a raw deal. He should have got a censure like Charles Rangel or a high paying Gov't job like Tim Geithner, neither of whom spent a day in prison.

True he is following in the illustrious footsteps of Randall "Duke" Cunningham and Bob Ney. Alas, he was not as fortunate as David Vitter, John Ensign (to date), Newt Gingrich or Tom Delay.

Fortunately for future House of Representative wrong doers, John Boehner wants to kill the Office of Congressional Ethics. Whew!

Hebrew Hammer
11-21-2010, 02:25 AM
Free Blade!!!! He will always be free on my DVD player, where there are no feds.

David Jamieson
11-21-2010, 09:47 AM
Train that kali or you'll be bobbing for apples!

Syn7
11-21-2010, 04:22 PM
he cheated, he knew he cheated... its not like he'll do 3 years... he should just man up and do his time... its only prison... its not like he's being deported or killed... he'll do a bit over a year, if that, and he'll be fast tracked outta there so fast... prolly to full parole too, not even monitoring... the guy really needs to just grow a pair and take his licks... he's guilty, and he knows it and he is still crying foul... now to me, thats the mark of a b!tch.... ive lost alot of respect for snipes during this whole mess... not because he cheated, but by how much he's cried since....

Syn7
11-21-2010, 04:25 PM
Train that kali or you'll be bobbing for apples!

not at the celeb wing at club fed... his life will still be better than a nice chunk of the free population...which again, makes him seem like such a wimp for fighting this so hard... all the money and time he's wasted when he could have just manned up and grew a pair...

Syn7
11-21-2010, 04:28 PM
I say he got a raw deal. He should have got a censure like Charles Rangel or a high paying Gov't job like Tim Geithner, neither of whom spent a day in prison.

why do you take every opportunity to be politically divisive??? you do realise that its that mentality that is taking your country down right? the american empire is all but over... now you guys get to watch over the next 1oo or so years while the rest of the world picks at the carcass....

BJJ-Blue
11-22-2010, 08:12 AM
why do you take every opportunity to be politically divisive??? you do realise that its that mentality that is taking your country down right? the american empire is all but over... now you guys get to watch over the next 1oo or so years while the rest of the world picks at the carcass....

That's not my point.

My point is that we are all supposed to be equal in the eyes of the law. But politicians who don't pay their taxes rarely, if ever, go to prison.

IMO what's killing the country is we have a 'political class' who is destryoing it by playing politics. When people are passing new laws without readng them just to "win" and not even considering the real world impact of said legislation on our country, we are in big trouble.

Kansuke
11-22-2010, 08:14 AM
Don't be fooled. He's really working with the government to eliminate vampires in the prison system.

mickey
11-22-2010, 08:48 AM
Greetings,

If Wesley Snipes has to do time, then the people who prepared his taxes should do time.


mickey

David Jamieson
11-23-2010, 12:28 PM
Greetings,

If Wesley Snipes has to do time, then the people who prepared his taxes should do time.


mickey

He failed to prepare his taxes and then made claim that he shouldn't have to pay taxes because he felt that federal income tax was illegal and unconstitutional.

so he belched out a bunch of crap about that, didn't do his homework and stood by his stupidity with vigor and vim and now, he gets to revel in the consequences of his stupid ass play.

Syn7
11-24-2010, 08:44 PM
That's not my point.

My point is that we are all supposed to be equal in the eyes of the law. But politicians who don't pay their taxes rarely, if ever, go to prison.

IMO what's killing the country is we have a 'political class' who is destryoing it by playing politics. When people are passing new laws without readng them just to "win" and not even considering the real world impact of said legislation on our country, we are in big trouble.

i agree... and its all over both sides of the aisle... another reason to be an independant and vote your concience on each race, not for any political reasons dictaded by a major party...

Syn7
11-24-2010, 08:45 PM
He failed to prepare his taxes and then made claim that he shouldn't have to pay taxes because he felt that federal income tax was illegal and unconstitutional.

so he belched out a bunch of crap about that, didn't do his homework and stood by his stupidity with vigor and vim and now, he gets to revel in the consequences of his stupid ass play.

well said...

Stickgrappler
08-01-2013, 02:36 PM
Man, all these celebrity action stars/martial artists all have a bday so close together LOL

Yesterday Snipes turned 51!

I made some GIFs from Passenger 57 to celebrate - enjoy

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ewa1JSUCmCg/Ufn2Qj90jXI/AAAAAAAADQk/yk0J1ARo-Ks/s1600/Passenger57-1c-400-sg.gif

6 more here
http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/07/happy-51st-birthhday-wesley-snipes.html

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--GoP8rnHJuw/UfpOVrUrD1I/AAAAAAAADSI/kmyYdFInZhw/s1600/Passenger57-2c-400-sg.gif

5 more here
http://www.stickgrappler.net/2013/08/wesley-snipes-passenger-57-gif-set-2.html