Twc From Serbia

[zuti car]

Here is some clips from "Serbian traditional wing chun assotiaon" . Serbia was , and still is a country with largest number of TWC clubs and most qualified instructors in Europe . Leader of assotiation is Dejan Mikic , who have almost 30 years of experience in TWC .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-aQYeCxO1U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ3XpvFA4h0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL61IpwcS2A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_QlvlLmdUA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDBy4gdzvGk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffl5URMJrM0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wtGKqCL1j4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yne2jS3BjfM

[zuti car]

TWC master from Serbia Sifu Mikic Dejan playing special version of Sil Lim Tao, with breathing and muscule contration wich can be found only in this form . This form is not ,and newer was a part of William Cheung's system , and is brought to Serbia by master Bozidar Gabersek from Australia, one of the first students of William Cheung . Gabersek create this form with help of several Qi-Gong masters from China and Australia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGgc02h95fU

[zuti car]

On April 6th in Belgrade was organized very succesfull whole-day seminar of the Serbian ICU branch(International Combat Union-
http://www.internationalcombatunion.org/) . It was conducted by :

GM Prof. Boris Krivokapic, LL.D.- ICU President
8th Dan Hapkikwan,
8th Kostrov's Universal Fisticuffs,
6th Dan Taekwondo,
5th Dan Hoshinkido Hapkido, etc

Mr. Dejan MIKIC
3rd Master Level Wing Chun

GM Nebojsa Milosevic
8th Dan Aiki Budo,
3rd Dan Hapkikwan

Dr. Mirko Ostojić
10th Dan Ninjutsu

Mr. Srdjan RATKOVIC
5th Dan Ju Jutsu

Mr. Goran Sturanovic
6th Dan Aikido

Here is some TWC clips from seminar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85qr7lThZv8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JejGiVZBQQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvreHq9PNP4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3Ie5JjM2g4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdxdDj2Jocg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cwNMTJiqRU

[zuti car]

Some more clips, traditional wing chun weapons

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vFNC3z863w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zjGwaIsc5o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfAFMBt5oaQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfYt1PIKHMA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp5AB9ONk7k

[zuti car]

Some interesting TWC demonstration

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2Kl4V7qbsM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qp-_AlCqyA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah_g6fodKG8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPRfC7D5f70

[zuti car]

SLT techniques- fighting applications


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td4UAuKqa78

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0trgtbSI4E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCv9_psyziI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5FPqWopbZw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olBjbu4q9so

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdH-3oAq_0I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfOz56CN4Vs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uiilp88E0L4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8yF4q4Pesk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X3sl4YkZvE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCpmcJkqQwQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RLFvpwOQI8

[zuti car]

Some basic things explenation


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtMYS3GKoF0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQW7y3WInhE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqlDofypZWk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6uDiZItL9Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGp49VLI3AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Z0Q3A0IX0

[zuti car]

On May 25th in Belgrade was organized very succesfull whole-day seminar of the Serbian TWC Assotiation . It was conducted by :

- TWCKFK “Pozarevac”from Pozarevac,
- TWCKFK “Zeleznicar” from Nis
- TWCKFK “Valjevo” from Valjevo
- TWCKFK “Sabac” from Sabac
- TWCKFK “Zajecar” iz Zajecara
- TWCKFK “Dim Mak” from Lacarak
- TWCKFK “Tao”from Kraljevo
- TWCKFK “Beograd” from Belgrade
- TWCKFK “Pinkum” from Veliko Gradiste
- TWCKFK “Kraguj” from Kragujevac
- TWCKFK “Vranje”from Vranje
- TWCKFK “Gadzin Han” from Gadzin Han
- TWCKF Sekcija “Uzice” from Uzice,
- TWCKF Sekcija “Trstenik” from Trstenik
- TWCKFK “Guan Di” from Krusevac
- TWCKFK “Irig” from Irig

Also , we had represntatives from Emin Boztepes" EBMAS" federation and Andreas Hoffmans "Shaolin Weng Chun" federation , TWC club "Skopje" from Republic of Makedonia ,Avram Aleksandar EWTO instructor from Switcherland

There was a friends from other martial arts :
Radojica Spasovic 8. Dan Real Aikido
Boris Krivokapic 8.Dan Hapkikwan ,6.dan Taekwondo 5.dan Hapkido
Srdjan Ratkovic 5.Dan Ju Jutsu , founder of Urbanjutsu style
Master Yong Ming with his Nan Chuan club from Novi Sad
Manojlovic Jovan , cheef instructor for Serbian branch of International Krav Maga Federation
Eskrima Master Sucevic Igor

short video clip from seminar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln68UEjXj3A

[zuti car]

Some more clips from seminar

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lv6qctz_DW8
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1KhOQo1Xv4Y
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TVefoY_FJp4
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3_Blraamblk
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KVsQpXPQ97M
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=z5XW_XlGZEw
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gpxLBzbU0e0
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pNPYdVvtG5k

[zuti car]

Clip from "Martial Arts Nght" , one of the bigest MA events in this part of Europe

http://www.youtube.com/v/lrW5UZWDKg0

[zuti car]

Seminar in Kraljevo

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=p3BlMjLIjmU
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hGYZRHKqmfg
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=raa5f4tdnS4

[zuti car]

Bob Gabesek system - biu jee form

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mDe76Fp5eTE

[sanjuro_ronin]

Bob Gabesek system - biu jee form

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mDe76Fp5eTE

I have concerns whenever someone labels their WC the "REAL" WC.

[Sihing73]

I have concerns whenever someone labels their WC the "REAL" WC.

Yeah, but it's all REAL at least to someone ;)

[sanjuro_ronin]

Yeah, but it's all REAL at least to someone ;)

Which means all the others ones are fake.
How very "wing chun".
:D

[Sihing73]

Which means all the others ones are fake.
How very "wing chun".
:D

I think you missed my point, I meant all WC is REAL to someone, thus none are fake :D

It's all a matter of perspective. :p

[zuti car]

It is just a name , nothing else

[sanjuro_ronin]

It is just a name , nothing else

I know, just sounds arrogant and uncalled for.

[KPM]

I know, just sounds arrogant and uncalled for.

I agree. It gives the strong message that any Wing Chun methods that are different from those of the person saying this....are NOT the "real" thing and therefore substandard or somehow "false".

[Phil Redmond]

I agree. It gives the strong message that any Wing Chun methods that are different from those of the person saying this....are NOT the "real" thing and therefore substandard or somehow "false".
I agree. I never say someone's WC is substandard but I will say that form was different from the way we do it.

[Ali. R]

I agree. I never say someone's WC is substandard but I will say that form was different from the way we do it.


How true, I think your choice of words in the past were; others are modified and yours is "traditional" (authentic)… :)


Take care,


Ali Rahim.

[sanjuro_ronin]

How true, I think your choice of words in the past were; others are modified and yours is "traditional" (authentic)… :)


Take care,


Ali Rahim.

Well, saying that a WC system ( or any system) is tradional, modified or modern is one thing, saying it is REAL tends to state that all the rest are NOT REAL.
Big difference.

[Ali. R]

I just repeated what he said to me personally and agreed with his statement also… “Modified” (not authentic/false), “traditional” (authentic/real), then again you might be right… :D

Humm, maybe that’s why he posted it that way in the title of the clip, because they’re always taught from the beginning of their studies that their system is “traditional” and others are “modified” in which might have prompted the word “real”…

Take care,


Ali Rahim.

[Phil Redmond]

How true, I think your choice of words in the past were; others are modified and yours is "traditional" (authentic)… :)


Take care,


Ali Rahim.
I don't use the term modified. It's divisive.

[Ali. R]

I don't use the term modified. It's divisive.


It’s good to have a change of heart dealing with those terms…:)

Take care,


Ali Rahim.

[zuti car]

I will say that form was different from the way we do it.

This is one of the first versions of third form learned in Willam Cheungs academy in Australia in the early 80 s .

[Phil Redmond]

This is one of the first versions of third form learned in Willam Cheungs academy in Australia in the early 80 s .
I was refering to the wide movements and the stomping on the ground like in the video. You should never stomp on the ground in any lineage of Wing Chun. You should always place your feet on the ground with control so that you can interrupt if you need to. Bak Mei, Lung Ying, and some other styles stomp but not WC.

[zuti car]

I was refering to the wide movements and the stomping on the ground like in the video. You should never stomp on the ground in any lineage of Wing Chun. You should always place your feet on the ground with control so that you can interrupt if you need to. Bak Mei, Lung Ying, and some other styles stomp but not WC.

Like i said , the form was teached by William Cheung , maybe it is wrong now , but 30 years ago was correct

[Lee Chiang Po]

I only watched some of the Sil Lim, and yes, it is somewhat different. I don't see that it is wrong though. Still looked WC to me. I don't think that you will ever see authentic today. Authentic has disappeared into history. What we see now is everyone's personal representation. When all these Chinese guys came over here to the US with Wing Chun, there were still 10,000 more Chinese still in China that did a form of Wing Chun. So who knows what is authentic? If it was taught in the Chinese army, do you realize how many people have served in their army up to then?

[zuti car]

Some old clips

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8GoxTng-5Cc
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=c70nGy5O77U
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MOjiNkS8xrA
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bwHj2E3wLtQ
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0BHt6Xx44Ag

[zuti car]

"Iron Palm' training in master Bob Gabersek's school in Melbourne

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BBinhhICWcY

[zuti car]

Master David Cheung perform SLT and Advanced SLT

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=g6fod4gxRdk

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=15mK4qgeUnI

[zuti car]

TWCKF federation of Serbia organise 5 days seminar with David Cheung Sifu . Seminar will start on Friday , October 31 . in Veliko Gradiste .

[zuti car]

13.XI 2010 in Belgrade was holded III Wushu games with more then 200 participants of all kung fu styles. Event was opened by Chinese ambasador in Serbia , mister Wei Jinghua . Chinese embassy prepared gifts for all participants , a special gifts for clubs instructors .TWC Masters Dejan Mikic and Dusan Radojkovic and Tai Chi Master Djendji Samardzija recived a special award from Chinese attache for culture and sport in Serbia mister Liu Lio Hong for promoting Chinese culture and martial arts .

TWC demonstration

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpwrNBxg-xc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y30TuS2LCW0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlZZtH13p4E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDTwiKPxjvI

[Ultimatewingchun]

What's authentic (or real) is what works.

Against a skilled, resisting opponent.

Everything else is fake.

And that includes all the posturing.

You can post 100 videos, for example.

But if NONE of them include working a against a skilled opponent who is actually trying to resist you with good moves and attacks of his own - that are actually meant to do damage....

then it's all posturing.

[zuti car]

What's authentic (or real) is what works.

Against a skilled, resisting opponent.

Everything else is fake.

And that includes all the posturing.

You can post 100 videos, for example.

But if NONE of them include working a against a skilled opponent who is actually trying to resist you with good moves and attacks of his own - that are actually meant to do damage....

then it's all posturing.

What is your problem ? I put some clips from recent event to show that Wing Chun still have a lot followers and that work of Wing Chun enthusiasts who put a lot of effort in the last 30 years in promoting the art is recognised from and awarded . If you have problems with that or with what we are douing i can not help you .

[LoneTiger108]

What's authentic (or real) is what works.

Against a skilled, resisting opponent.

Everything else is fake.

And that includes all the posturing.

You can post 100 videos, for example.

But if NONE of them include working a against a skilled opponent who is actually trying to resist you with good moves and attacks of his own - that are actually meant to do damage....

then it's all posturing.

Sounds like the 'Mantra of T' ;)

[Ultimatewingchun]

I've been posting these kinds of opinions long before I even read a Terence Niehoff post.

And zuti, my remarks are not necessarily directed at you. There's a lot of water under some bridges that have nothing to do with you or the folks you train with.

Good luck

[LoneTiger108]

I've been posting these kinds of opinions long before I even read a Terence Niehoff post.

There's definitely nothing wrong with opinions dude, as long as you're still on the Wing Chun tip (which it looks like you are) then all is good ;)

[Ultimatewingchun]

Did you mean to say "ship" ? :D

[Phil Redmond]

Did you mean to say "ship" ? :D
You moved but you still have the Brooklyn in you . . . :D

[zuti car]

III Wushu games held in Belgrade 13.XI 2010 with more then 200 participants of all kung fu styles. Event was opened by Chinese ambasador in Serbia , Mr. Wei Jinghua . All participants got a gifts from Chinese embassy, also,all instructors recived a special gifts .TWC Masters Dejan Mikic and Dusan Radojkovic and Tai Chi Master Djendji Samardzija recived a special award from Chinese attache for culture and sport in Serbia for promoting Chinese culture and martial arts .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XdZb18eqpI

[zuti car]

Internacional Comabt Union http://www.internationalcombatunion.com/
anual seminar in Srbia 19.III 2011


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhTEQHEGhCs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JthnZ2IM7L8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyQGYKV_1j8

[zuti car]

Short clip from anual seminar in central Serbia ,17.04.2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8pcybnHhkY

[bennyvt]

dont think I have ever seen a VT guy step by putting their lead leg crossed behind the back leg. Is that just a major extension of the step in the knives. Also you seem to show putting your hand under and striking below your lead arm. Do you feel this is better then striking above your lead arm. He seems to say something about it like it being in biu jee but different language so not sure.

[zuti car]

It is something we call "exchange " step and we use that kind of stepping in some specific situations .It is not from knifes form , not from our form anyway .Striking depends of the situation at particular moment , we choose the way of attack wich will bring best possible reslult at that time

[Phil Redmond]

....Also you seem to show putting your hand under and striking below your lead arm. Do you feel this is better then striking above your lead arm. He seems to say something about it like it being in biu jee but different language so not sure.
That's called a Cheun Sao - Threading hand.

[LoneTiger108]

dont think I have ever seen a VT guy step by putting their lead leg crossed behind the back leg. Is that just a major extension of the step in the knives.

You have yet to see Lee Shing Wing Chun then? ;)

I learnt this step along with the kneeling and single leg work we practise on the wooden man. It's also in our pole form, and 'hidden' in the 108 fme.

You must get out more! :D

[anerlich]

dont think I have ever seen a VT guy step by putting their lead leg crossed behind the back leg. Is that just a major extension of the step in the knives. Also you seem to show putting your hand under and striking below your lead arm. Do you feel this is better then striking above your lead arm. He seems to say something about it like it being in biu jee but different language so not sure.

I haven't watched all the vids (who has the time?) but this sounds like pretty mainstream TWC. You move the back foot behind the front to change the side of your front stance. It's in the dummy form. we precede it with a side step and call that a T step, which is in CK and the dummy. The tsuen sao or threading arm is used to transfer the bridge from one arm to the other, and is in CK, BJ, and the dummy movements in TWC. Equivalent movements are performed with the knives.

The Exchange step posture is in the pole form as well but the step itself isn't used because you don't change sides with the pole in the form.

Quite a few people could benefit from getting out more, especially if they hope to be followed on Facebook and Twitter.

[bennyvt]

the threading hand bit. I thought you only went under your own arm when you have to hence it being in biu jee. He seemed to have no reason to go under but as I said I couldn't tell what he was saying so it could be fine.I knew the step where you turn 90 degrees ( it was explained to me to get right out of the way of the pole). It just seemed his back leg was really close to his front and from the angle if the guy kept coming looks like ho could be knocked over. But Id have to give it a try before i said yah or nah.
Not having a go just asking about the use or interpretation of the moves.:D
Oh I dont do twitter and only have my actual friends on facebook.

[anerlich]

Oh I dont do twitter and only have my actual friends on facebook.

Benny, that wasn't directed at you, I was teasing Spencer.

[zuti car]

Chief Instructors of Traditional Wing Chun Kung Fu Federation of Serbia(TWCKFFS) , Mikic Dejan and Radojokovic Dusan were invited by the Embassy of China in Belgrade to participate a special six month training & education course in traditional matrial arts in China under the full sponsorshep of Chinese embasy in Belgrade. Also , they have obligation to choose one instructor from TWCKFFS who will travel with them and represent the organisation. After consutation and testing Federation choosed Veroljub Milanivioic from Krusevac .
TWCKFFS for more the 30 years have exelent cooperation and support from Chinese embassy in Belgrade in a mutual effort of promting and spreading chinese traditional martial arts , culture and philosophy .This invitation is a great honer for TWCKFFS and brings cooperation and mutual efforts of promoting chinese culture and martial arts betvine Chinese officials in Belgrade and TWCKFFS on a higher level .

[zuti car]

Rare interview of master David Cheung.

David Cheung trained under the Legendary Wong Shun Leung. He later helped teach in Wong Shuns' school for 6 years. After moving to Australia he taught at William Cheungs' School and later founded his own School.

In 1988 he was the first to promote the the Traditional Wing Chun system in Yugoslavia, from there the students that participated in the demonstrations continued to practice what they learned from him.

In 2008 David officially became associated with the Serbian Wing Chun Kung Fu Federation.

Introduction: Ak : Hello GM david Cheung, how do u dow? Thank you for giving me this interview.

DC : Im fine thanks.

Ak: When did you start wing chun?

DC : I started Wing Chun when I was 14, 1969, for 5 years. by that time , I did not even know any of my brother were doing WC at all. I had visited a lot of martial arts schools before I join WC, in those days, the most popular styles are Shao Lin , Hung gar , karate , judo , ju-jutse , chau gar praying-mantis, white eye-blow ,dragon style and the most renounced style was choi lee fut etc.

I had walked in the training hall of Wong Shun Leung kuen, I saw this fat fellow teaching and he had demonstrated a couple techniques in chi sao and that had actually caught my eyes , I did not see much but by hearing the slapping sound on the other guy`s face , I was impressed.

Ak : You had the chance to study with GM Cheung and Wong Shun Leung, so you know the two systems, what are the advantages and disadvantages of these systems?

DC : I had gone though both systems, actually there is quiet a bit of differents, Wong`s system follows the way that Yip Man tought every one by starting with chi-sao, until the student had profected the technique , then he is allowed to move on. Cheung`s system is to teach a lot of techniques all the way, ----one day , the students might pick up some or all of it.Wong havenot got much foot-works, hasnot got much broking of kicks, has not got much high kicks, sticking with a lot closer range. Cheung had got most of the mansioned about, it might require a lot more fitness to perform.
The advantage of Wong`s system is to make clear that ' the best defence is to attack`---so in those days we always say `no mater what , I hit you first, ha ha ha. Cheung`s system is emfessized on keep save when you move in and get out , but for my opinion is if I had already got in, I would not expect to get out until the other person is down.

Ak : That represents for you Chi Sao? and your idea of Wing Chun today?

DC : Chi Sao ----had been explaned by a lot of WC or VT followers, I have to add one line, which is , chi sao is a form of practice fo one to understand what to do and what not to do according to the knowledge of understanding of the WC or VT skills. This might lead to the `fashionable WC or VT system, they should know what to do , so be able to wear the name of WC or VT worrier, So------ what not to do is more important. We do not have to copy or employ any technique from Ju-jutsu or wrestleings . I still say that Ng Mui or YIM Wing Chun did never need that , and it had been proved that nobody can J-J or wrestle them down on the floor.I believe that they both had practice WC or VT chi-sao, getting all the answer from it. My view is that , they may be practicing WC or VT, but not Ng Mui WC or VT, not Yim Wing Chun WC or VT.or even Yip Man WC or VT.

Ak : U are a master of Traditional Wing Chun, modified Wing Chun and Chi cong. What is the benefits of chi cong you teach?

DC : Qi Gong (Chi Kung) is an ancient method to regulate the `chemicals` in our body to improve our health and prevent sicknesses. FOR---all the health problem is caused by the `disordered ratios of Chemicals generated inside the human body`. These chemical discharge changes accordingly by the internal and external influences. Knowing how to monitor this , we can promote our health to a ultermost stages. I would always apply some `detox` method first and then with the `induce emergy` method to help my followers, because if you do not clear the toxin from your body first , or in another ward, you only induce energy in you body, it will mix with the toxin in your body, then it will create more problem.---by the way, we should know what harm would be done by the toxin in the body.

Ak : How can follow your teaching today? Will you organize further seminars in Europe?

DC : I am starting my first public teaching in Queensland , Australia. I will post some of the lesson in my cite, wing chun jung si david cheung. stay tune. I think I will still visit Europe for seminars in the future, depense on my supporters.

Ak : Thank u Master.

DC : Thanks.

Direct linéage of Yip man disciple, Wong shun leung and the Cheung familly ,
David is going to teach lessons in Brisbane Australia
from the 12th of June, every Sunday 5:30-7:00pm
60 Stamford Road, Indooroopilly. (Indooroopilly Senior Citizens Hall).
$15 per lesson. phone--0425285048 , international call--61425285048

Interview by Alexandre Aco Kolarski (Professor of Wing Chun)