The EmptyFlower Drama

[Mas Judt]

EmptyFlower.com is back.

It looks like Buddy was right.

These have been the only two forums I've really been a part of. For those of you that left EF after the monkeys were given the keys, it's safe to come back. www.EmptyFlower.com.


Sorry to post this here, but most folks are on both boards. It's one big family...

[SPJ]

cool.

where ever they move or go, we would follow. I meant I would follow.

once a flo'er, always a flo'er. so they said.

:D;):)

[SPJ]

oops.

just learned that the admin groups are splitting.

so there will be

ef.net

and ef.com


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[sanjuro_ronin]

Is this a lineage issue?
:D

[David Jamieson]

no it's a schism between people who can't get along no matter how hard they try. :)

[sanjuro_ronin]

no it's a schism between people who can't get along no matter how hard they try. :)

I didn't know it was about wing chun :eek:

[Buddy]

Hey Joe,
Looks like that is just Devere's design site. He's offered to put it back up but someone needs to admin and mod it.

Buddy

My mistake..I found it.

[SPJ]

a update for people that are interested.

ef.net

is now red leaves or hong yie.

http://emptyflower.net/forums/index.php?

and ef.com

http://www.emptyflower.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi/YaBB.cgi#xing

the old board is only temporary holding place.

till the new board with better software up and running.

:)

[Mas Judt]

There is only one emptyflower.com

[David Jamieson]

There can be only one emptyflower.com

fixed. :D .........

[SPJ]

yes. just check back this morning

my old account name and password still working.

as if I never left.

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:D;):)

[Buddy]

And yet I read someone say... the name will NEVER change. Never say never, youngsters.

[SPJ]

Just learned that EF new home/site is almost ready.

YEAH.

:)

[dimethylsea]

And yet I read someone say... the name will NEVER change. Never say never, youngsters.

Emptyflower.net is still here.




And you're still Banned Buddy.


May I suggest another drink.. to soothe your nerves?

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Buddy is not banned on Emptyflower, only on the fake rip off site that is trying to make it by pathetically relying on brand confusion and trade mark infringement.

[dimethylsea]

Why don't you get Buddy a drink RD? He needs another drink.

Just one. C'mon.. be a pal.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

I probably should, it seems he was right on the money with his original rant.

[dimethylsea]

around on ef.net. Maybe I should buy YOU a drink RD.....


Just to say thanks for sticking around even when you believe that it's
"a fake rip off site that is trying to make it by pathetically relying on
brand confusion and trade mark infringement.".

You should totally market a beer ... you could call it "Tie (Tzu) One On!".

Buddy would have one. Hell... he'd have 30. Just don't let him near
a keyboard afterwards.

I see you already have koolaid in your glass however...

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Yeah, I still lurk a little bit and I like the Chat feature, but to be honest i am really turned off by how Brian refuses to stop using Devere's name. Especially the claims that he is the "Progresive Wing of Emptyflower". When he's not connected with Emptyflower at all, let alone a "Wing" of it. He just pretends to be because he has a similar URL. It is a bold faced lie, and deception.

I think he's being a real looser by doing that. i have lost a lot of respect for him.

When it all didn't work out, the right thing to do was to put it all on his Hong-Ye URL, and change from the classic "Six" as he calls it to his own format.

He could have offerd to sell the .net URL to Devere.

Instead of being a Man about it, he's acting like a little baby, or a scorned woman after a Divorce who refuses to give up her Husband's name, despite the fact that she hates him anyway.

Brian got a serious jump start on his forum because of this, and he was basically handed a community for free without having to do any of the work of building it (outside of setting up the forum itself). He should be happy with his blessing instead of being the way he is being.

[dimethylsea]

RD,
So we can expect you to be posting exclusively on ef.com (and not ef.net)?


Cause otherwise you are just moralizing while using the resources of people
you claim you don't respect because of their lack of "ethics".


Which would of course... make you a hypocrite.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

See, here in lyes the problem. There are good people on .NET that I like to communicate with. They are not responsible for Brian's actions, so I don't see any reason to not join in those discussions.

However, it is Brian's forum, and I am not sure I want to post there because of his behavior.

It's one of those things I am kind of torn on.

I wish he'd just do the right thing and switch everything over to the Hong-Ye URL and stop trying to copy Devere's site with his "Classic Six", so this won't be an issue any longer.

Not that my opinion matters to him, I have voiced it there before and it does not seem to have wavered his position at all.

I think a number of people would feel more comfortable conversing there if he'd just man up and do the right thing.

For now though, I am going to just do what I have been doing since this whole thing started, which is just lurk and maybe chat a bit.

You may notice the only real conversation I have been involved in there was over a posters back injury.

I think I am not alone in not wanting to take sides, as everyone has friends on both forums. This is bigger than just Brian. There is a whole community involved. Brian makes it hard by doing what he is doing.

Honestly, I have been avoiding talking about this as much as I can. I have tried to keep my comments limited, especially on .NET itself (no point in adding to the already tense situation).

I really don't understand Brian's obsession with pretending to be Devere. I just know continued discussions of this topic is really not going to change anything at all. I probably shouldn't even be talking about this now. Especially since it's really just a repete of posts I have made on both .com, and .net. I don't have anything new to add to the topic. The whole thing is really getting pretty old.

So am I a hypocrite? Maybe, at this point; but like everyone else i feel a bit caught in the middle.

[dimethylsea]

RD,

You still seem to be under the impression that because you "feel" a certain
way people are obliged to act as if you are correct.

If you have friends on ef.net but you despise the present management
of ef.net as you claim... request their emails and stay in touch via other
means.

You don't have to be a hypocrite... just man up.. contact your close associates
and up-stakes to ef.com.

There you can rest easy knowing that the person who keeps your channel
of communication going doesn't do martial arts at all any more, hasn't in years,
and cares so little about the whole thing that he talked about destroying it
for years on end, until someone finally took him seriously and removed the
Dream from danger's path.

That is why emptyflower.net will stay Emptyflower. Because the progressive
wing has it's own version of the Emptyflower idea. And those who think
they aren't entitled to do so.. don't have a leg to stand on. A domain name
can't be taken by force... you just have to be pro-active.

Truth RD... plain truth.

Now be a real man.... and follow your conscience.. despite the discomforts it
may subject you too.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Well, you have your opinion, and I have mine. Other than just repeating the same things over and over, that have already been said multiple times, on multiple forums, there really isn't anywhere this conversation can go at this point.

My opinion is firm, and I am not going to change my mind about Brian or his behavior. I don't see you changing your mind either. We might as well drop the subject now.

I don't plan on getting all hostile and making announcements of resigning my account there like others, but I probably won't be all that active either, especially if this subject is continually brought up over, and over again. I am only interested in the MA discussions, if I choose to participate.

[David Jamieson]

RD,

You still seem to be under the impression that because you "feel" a certain
way people are obliged to act as if you are correct.

If you have friends on ef.net but you despise the present management
of ef.net as you claim... request their emails and stay in touch via other
means.

You don't have to be a hypocrite... just man up.. contact your close associates
and up-stakes to ef.com.

There you can rest easy knowing that the person who keeps your channel
of communication going doesn't do martial arts at all any more, hasn't in years,
and cares so little about the whole thing that he talked about destroying it
for years on end, until someone finally took him seriously and removed the
Dream from danger's path.

That is why emptyflower.net will stay Emptyflower. Because the progressive
wing has it's own version of the Emptyflower idea. And those who think
they aren't entitled to do so.. don't have a leg to stand on. A domain name
can't be taken by force... you just have to be pro-active.

Truth RD... plain truth.

Now be a real man.... and follow your conscience.. despite the discomforts it
may subject you too.

lol. bitter?

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Sure seems that way.

[Water Dragon]

relax, it's only the internet.

[dimethylsea]

lol. bitter?

I am in awe of your wit. Have you a newsletter to which I might subscribe?

[Buddy]

Come see me Mo and I'll slap the taste outta your mouth. How 'bout that? Be a man.

Brian can't get rid of the name because then he'd have no marketing vehicle, which he doesn't have anyway. There's no starving crowd there. Everyone already has teachers. It's telling about his marketing knowledge that he doesn't know that. In fact if he had any sense he'd WANT to get rid of it and create his own brand. As much as I hate to give away free information therein lies his only hope. The problem is he doesn't have the goods. Scott Sonnon does and does a good job marketing to his niche.

I could smell this thing coming a mile away and let it percolate a bit before outing it. Maybe they'll be able to capture the "qiballs" crowd. Or Dragonball Z.

LOL, I thought this part was fairly accurate:

dimethylsea has not made any friends yet

[SPJ]

http://emptyflower.com/phpBB3/

The "new" site for the "old" Emptyflower is ready.

YEAH!

:)

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Actually, all they did was install a new forum system on the old site. look at the URL, it's still on Devere's website.

[David Jamieson]

Actually, all they did was install a new forum system on the old site. look at the URL, it's still on Devere's website.

yes, but it is better software. not quite as old and just as fast to load.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Yes, very true.

I like that they were able to keep the over all feel too.

[Buddy]

So here's the taunt:

"And you're still Banned Buddy."

Which I am. They fear me so much they ban my home computer from going on their site. ****ing pussies. I've visited their "Red Leaves" (sounds like an aboriginal menstrual device) and it's much like I thought. Second rate and fading fast. I could log on from work but the drama would stoke their page rank. Best let them fade into inevitable oblivion.

EF lives!

[SPJ]

I like the eF 2.0 much.

You may embed u-tube vid.

You may post Chinese characters.

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and the many varieties of smilee.

I like the pair drinking green bottles, one left flat and still drinking, and the other one has to pick it up to stand--

I laughed so hard.

I had to stop laughing before I have a hernia.

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:D:);)

[Buddy]

I miss the ability to embed youtube.

[dimethylsea]

Yes, very true.

I like that they were able to keep the over all feel too.

This is true. They kept the name and the color scheme, and copied
everything else feature-wise that they liked from ef.net.

How's that integrated Java Chat working out for you RD?

[dimethylsea]

So here's the taunt:

"And you're still Banned Buddy."

Which I am. They fear me so much they ban my home computer from going on their site. ****ing pussies. I've visited their "Red Leaves" (sounds like an aboriginal menstrual device) and it's much like I thought. Second rate and fading fast. I could log on from work but the drama would stoke their page rank. Best let them fade into inevitable oblivion.

EF lives!

Classy as always.... but you don't expect someone with pyramid schemes and
multi-level-marketing in their forum signature (http://howtomakemoneyfromhomeontheinternet.weebly.com/ ? LOLOL)
and a serious case of untreated alcoholism to give much respect...


You are a shame to the lineage of Zhang Jun-Feng. I feel sorry for Eric
Luo to have such a student. I guess if he's going to have good ones
like Tim Cartmell and George Wood a few bad apples will worm their
way in.

[Wong Ying Home]

All this bickering does nothing more than fuel the fire and keep it alive....let it die allready.

Visit what ever site you want...but no more washing dirty laundry in public

[cerebus]

Unfortunately, that kind of comment and attitude from dimethylsea has become rather representative of why those who went to ef.com left ef.net in the first place. But hey, if the folks from "dot net" wanna spend their time making nasty comments, more power to 'em. Some folks have better things to do... :)

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

This is true. They kept the name and the color scheme, and copied
everything else feature-wise that they liked from ef.net.

How's that integrated Java Chat working out for you RD?

Reply]
I have been doing most of my Chatting in the Futures and Commodities forums the last few weeks. I am trying to set up a subscription advisory page. I have not been to any MA chats.

It is fun and all, and I am sure I will be around again when I feel the urge.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

All this bickering does nothing more than fuel the fire and keep it alive....let it die allready.

Visit what ever site you want...but no more washing dirty laundry in public

Reply]
That is generally my perspective too. I go to whatever site I feel like at the moment. I don't see any point in consistently stirring it all up over, and over again.

Things generally play out as they should. I'd rather just live, and let live. I have my own battles to attend to.

[brucereiter]

Unfortunately, that kind of comment and attitude from dimethylsea has become rather representative of why those who went to ef.com left ef.net in the first place. But hey, if the folks from "dot net" wanna spend their time making nasty comments, more power to 'em. Some folks have better things to do... :)
it is a weakness of brian's but i do think he has "mellowed" somewhat.

[dimethylsea]

Unfortunately, that kind of comment and attitude from dimethylsea has become rather representative of why those who went to ef.com left ef.net in the first place.

Please don't try to "shame" people into once again ignoring Buddy Tripp.
It's gone too far. While the "divorce" between ef.com and ef.net is
a done deal and has been semi-amiable (note the announcement (http://www.emptyflower.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=4809)
posted on ef.net.. Buddy Tripp is a canker sore on the community.

There is no truce that includes him. While he rants and swears at people,
dragging his teacher's good name through the mud, he has been consistently
deferred to, because of Eric Luo's vast experience and skill.

No more. Eric Luo's other students are *presently* welcome to use the
networking resources we have on .net to aid their schools but we draw
the line at Buddy. We've already started looking for other people to help
out and promote the way we've always looked out for Gao.

At some point there will be no love left for any of the Yizong, no aid or
comfort, no help from us.

[David Jamieson]

There's no love lost between me and buddy, but ef.net is in my opinion working with a broken spirit and tainted with the wrong kind of bitter.

It is not exemplary of the typical internal artist's attitude in the least.

This is my opinion.

[Buddy]

Yeah, I'm done with Marin's silliness. It's easier to just consider the source. BTW I have a free ebook about article marketing (no MLM for me thanks) if anyone's interested. Cerebus has seen it. Just shoot me a PM.

Buddy

BTW even though David and I aren't friends, we're on the same page on this one.

[Buddy]

Turns out it was Brian, not Marin.

[Buddy]

BTW,
Although the method I show in my link is suitable for newbies, it does assume a relative knowledge of internet marketing. If you don't have that, don't bother buying my book. PM me for my free ebook, it will make some initial stuff more clear. I don't want you to waste your hard earned money on something that you can't use.

Buddy

[SifuAbel]

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Red leaves banned me again. What a bunch of stinking cowards.

[1bad65]

Red leaves banned me again.

Add that one to the list. :D

[Seppukku]

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Red leaves banned me again. What a bunch of stinking cowards.

Maybe you should take the hint, whatever that means.

[unkokusai]

Red leaves banned me again. What a bunch of stinking cowards.

:rolleyes:


Or maybe you're a stinking D-bag who ****es everyone off everywhere he goes. Maybe you're such an ******* that the only place you can really be sure you won't be banned is the ridiculous forum you set up for yourself so you can ***** about all the places you've been banned from and all the people you've ****ed off. Maybe you need to think about that.

[SifuAbel]

Add that one to the list. :D

A list of one. Where else am I banned?

[SifuAbel]

Maybe you should take the hint, whatever that means.



The hint is that they are total tea baggers.

[1bad65]

A list of one. Where else am I banned?

The Underground.

For issuing e-challenges and never showing up. Imagine that.

[wolfen]

EmptyFlower.com is back.

it's safe to come back. www.EmptyFlower.com.


.
And my posts is grass also.
Looks like I have been out of the loop. Someone has a sense of humor. lol

EDIT:OK I see It's founder passed away and I guess the website was owned by a single person.
That closes the loop.