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couch

04-25-2008, 08:54 AM

So techincally this is a chinese forum, but since this sub-title is about MMA, I was just wondering if there are any of you that currently or have in the past practiced Judo?

What made you get an interest in Judo?

How often are you training (once per week, etc)?

How do you feel it has worked in with you Wing Chun?

I ask because there is a Judo club close to where I live and in the near future I might join.

Best,
Kenton Sefcik

SAAMAG

04-25-2008, 09:53 AM

What made you get an interest in Judo?
Well, having done BJJ and loved every minute of it, I decided to check out a couple places here in town again. One of them was a Judo club--knowing that BJJ came from Judo Newaza, I checked it out and liked the fact that the throws would bridge the gap between standup and groundwork. So far it's awesome! The ONLY THING I don't like is their emphasis on the competitions and the olympics (this place has a lot of competitors and a couple of Olympic contenders); which limits some of the techniques used and the mindset of some of the practitioners from "real life" to "sport". I don't care about the latter.

Example, I took the back of a green belt the other day, got him in a rear naked choke, but didn't sinch it down since I had total control and to choke him was pointless other than to appease my sadism. The coach said that wouldn't work in a Judo competition since they would stand us back up (apparently in judo when your opponent is laying on his stomach and we're not moving it's considered a stalling move). So I said...well then next time I'll choke him completely to show the submission. I guess you can't be nice in competition either?

How often are you training (once per week, etc)?
It will be 3 times a week eventually, but right now I only have time for once a week due to my work schedule being at night.

How do you feel it has worked in with you Wing Chun?
It doesn't work with the wing chun really. Different ranges of combat. But it compliments it well given that each addresses a different aspect of fighting. They both focus on sensitivity of the opponent's movements to determine what action to take...pull a push and vice versa for judo, similar to how we react with tan or bong to the high or low fook in chi sao. Wing chun's upper body sensitivity works well with preparing to throw, but don't expect bare arms--big heavy gi in the way.

I ask because there is a Judo club close to where I live and in the near future I might join.
I would HIGHLY recommend it.

SAAMAG

04-25-2008, 10:03 AM

Shodan Kodokan Judo :D

Hey Sanjuro, explain this to me:

What are the differences between the various types of Judo? Like Maeda Judo and Kodokan Judo? I had asked an assistant coach if the olympic Judo was kodokan judo and she said "there's only one Judo--and that's it. People that talk about a particular lineage of Judo are not really practicing Judo".

What's up with that?! I was reading on Judo info and there seems to be some preferences with certain moves that are emphasised in the varying judo circles, although the moves themselves are the same across the board it seems.

sanjuro_ronin

04-25-2008, 10:13 AM

Hey Sanjuro, explain this to me:

What are the differences between the various types of Judo? Like Maeda Judo and Kodokan Judo? I had asked an assistant coach if the olympic Judo was kodokan judo and she said "there's only one Judo--and that's it. People that talk about a particular lineage of Judo are not really practicing Judo".

What's up with that?! I was reading on Judo info and there seems to be some preferences with certain moves that are emphasised in the varying judo circles, although the moves themselves are the same across the board it seems.

There is one olympic Judo, Kodokan.
There are different organizations, many are country specific.
Style wise, currently, there are 2: Kodokan and Kosen.
Kosen being judo with a major focus on ground work ( Ne Waza).
Both are derived from the judo created by Kano.
Kodokan Judo is still more focused on the Ippon, the perfect throw to end the match, but that is changing and many schools now do a very balanced 50-50 ratio.
Maeda was a Kano student, his judo was Kodokan, though he add many other things to it.
His autobiography is a cool read, Maeda: the toughest man who ever lived, or something like that.

The judo curriculum is standard, prioritzation is left to the head of the various dojo's.

Combat judo is a hybrid judo system ( though some call it pre-war Judo) that has all the elements of judo plus strikes and weapons.

As for lineage issues, there aren't any, it all comes from Kano in one way or another.
Of course there were influences from the various JJ ryu's such as the Daito and in aikido.

PlumDragon

04-25-2008, 10:44 AM

I only ever did a very small amount of judo, but I did hurt my back (I still get spasms now over 5 years after) due to what I guess I would consider poor decision making on behalf of the instructor.

Nevertheless, Judo seems like a great art, enjoyable and worthwhile. But it can put a lot of stress on your back if some of the throws are not executed properly; so if you decide to start, just take it easy until you get used to what is going on. And despite what you may be asked to do in class, I highly recommend *not* throwing people far heavier than yourself until you have a firm grasp of the proper body mechanics.

BTW, good post Sanjuro, seen you making some great informative posts lately; but I havent seen any of your lady-pics recently! =)

couch

04-25-2008, 11:05 AM

I ask because there is a Judo club close to where I live and in the near future I might join.
I would HIGHLY recommend it.

Cool. Thanks for the info. I would be able to train in Judo far easier than BJJ due to scheduling, travel, etc.

I think for a stand-up fighter (and a person who DOES recognize the need for ground capabilities) such as myself, I would enjoy the 'clinch/throw' work. It would also help with keeping balance in the event of takedowns. This is just my 'idea' on it all right now. Keep us posted.

sanjuro_ronin

04-25-2008, 11:23 AM

BTW, good post Sanjuro, seen you making some great informative posts lately; but I havent seen any of your lady-pics recently! =)

Ask and ye shall...

SAAMAG

04-25-2008, 01:20 PM

Very nice. But that's not JUDO!

Yea guys....I'll keep ya'll posted. Maybe I can keep this thread going for us Judo guys here. So far, I'm doing pretty well and with my previous experience in groundwork, jointlocking, and throws it should be an okay transition.

Oso

04-26-2008, 05:29 AM

i might be mistaken but I think that you can still choke for submission to win a judo match as well as some joint locks...SR?

冠木侍

04-26-2008, 08:23 AM

I rolled a bit some time ago. One of the moves was the one which I'm sure we all used in the elementary school playground. I do not know the name but the move is executed by grabbing the lapel and sleeve and then tripping them by sweeping their leg from the rear.

One of my fav moves was the O-goshi. But my back isn't what it used to be :cool:
Another interesting technique was the choke...I'll never forget the first time it happened. One minute your fine, then the next you are gasping for air and tapping like a a madman. Good times.

Then there was some grappling...mainly just keeping your opponent on the floor by sprawling, turning and utilizing your body weight. That was fun.

I don't remember the exact type of JUDO but I'm sure it was def competition based. At the time, I didn't know that the teacher I was under was such a big name but later on I found out. I'm sure Professor N. Higashi would recognize me if he saw me (and after I explain where he had seen me b4). That dude looked like he wrestled bears...tremendous presence. Plus, at the time I was studying Japanese, so I got to practice a bit by speaking with a native speaker. Good guy.

Apparently he's got some books published and he had mentioned while I was there that he did some tournaments in Las Vegas. But like I said before, it has been a while. Don't know what he is up to right now.

SAAMAG

04-26-2008, 08:31 AM

i might be mistaken but I think that you can still choke for submission to win a judo match as well as some joint locks...SR?

You're right...but since I didn't make him tap by actually choking him...she said that it would've been a stall. That's why I told her "well I wasn't actually trying to choke him--just show that I could choke him (I had it all the way on...but didn't squeeze). I figured they'd all realize that there was no coming back from that....but I guess next time I'll just squeeze.

Oso

04-26-2008, 02:54 PM

You're right...but since I didn't make him tap by actually choking him...she said that it would've been a stall. That's why I told her "well I wasn't actually trying to choke him--just show that I could choke him (I had it all the way on...but didn't squeeze). I figured they'd all realize that there was no coming back from that....but I guess next time I'll just squeeze.

yea, and I don't know about you, but I just love that little 'chkgggrr' sound crunchies make when you compress their esoghagus...ah, a blissfull sound full 'o good memories and good times....

SAAMAG

04-27-2008, 09:58 AM

Holy crap dude you got some issues. ;)

Personally, I like it when I have to faart and I get them in a triangle choke...they'll tap out one way or the other...

Oso

04-27-2008, 01:41 PM

chkgggrr (http://dogjudo.co.uk/lockin.html)

..........

Lee Chiang Po

04-27-2008, 08:46 PM

When I was in high school, they started up a judo club. The schools about the state had been in compitition for years and so they decided to get some of the action. Of course in the early 60's most of the contact sports were played by the little rich kids mostly, and they didn't make room for the odd people like myself. I tried several times to get into the club but was not allowed in. The instructor was also the captian of the team and was not as good as he thought he was. They ended up calling up a guy from the nearby army base to coach them. I had a long background of Japanese Jujitsu and could teach them somewhat, but they wouldn't hear of it. They looked good in practice, but could not win a match against anyone. I would sit and watch them, and often made comments. Then one day one of them told me to put up or shut up, so I put up. I could do all the throws pretty well, and I had a whole list of parlor tricks I used to prevent being tossed. And besides, they started right in learning the throws before they could take a good fall. After tossing them around some and not allowing myself to be thrown, they decided to let me play. Then they let me compete. I did pretty good too. We didn't win much as a team effort, but I won a few matches myself. Then one night I had a similar experience with the choke and they didn't point me for it. I was told unless I got the submission it was simply holding. The very next fall I got a submission in about 5 seconds. I used my thumb and he was tapping with both hands and feet. I got disqualified and was not allow to compete for the rest of the year over that. I do not know what the difference is. I had to choke him to get the actual submission. The thumb was just a little added technique to get him to tap sooner.

SAAMAG

04-27-2008, 09:45 PM

Lee Chiang,

What sort of choke did you use that would implement a thumb? Couldn't have been a rear naked choke...perhaps a lapel choke?

monji112000

04-30-2008, 06:39 PM

since the topic is Judo. Anyone catch the Shinya Aoki vrs Gesias Calvancanti fight? (the second)
I have been watching Aoki for a some time. I really love his personality and his judo.
His standup needs work and he is still progressing as a MMA fighter.. but I really enjoy watching him progress as a fighter. I can't wait to see him dominate the UFC.
Maybe in a year or so...
If he can develop a good standup game...

Water Dragon

04-30-2008, 07:02 PM

current Judoka here.

SAAMAG

05-04-2008, 09:56 PM

Cool! Where do you train Dragon?

MightyB

05-20-2008, 01:05 PM

Yup,

Like that Judo too. I belong to an organization called Konan- also USJF. My home base is the TsutoMaru Judo club in Jackson... but, I practice in a couple of other clubs. Mostly the Michigan State University club. That's one thing I like about Judo- You can go to any Judo club and they fit you right in. You can't practice Judo alone- so all clubs are willing to take anybody who wants to practice.

The amount of Newaza that happens at a tourney depends mostly on your ref. Some like to allow you to work a little- others will stand you up right away.

Judo works well with Mantis. If you're Judo's old school and they have you do Nago No Kata- you see that Judo uses a "catch" that's identical to the Mantis Du Sau. Mantis's Intercepting Hand (Tu Sau) helps to transition grips.

My only regret with Judo is that I didn't start until I was 30 years old. I've been practicing 3 years and I'm a Ikkyu. I expect to get my Shodan within the year.

Lee Chiang Po

05-20-2008, 11:21 PM

#20 04-27-2008, 11:45 PM
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Lee Chiang,

What sort of choke did you use that would implement a thumb? Couldn't have been a rear naked choke...perhaps a lapel choke?
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Van Midthun

Van, this particular choke was what you would call a modified rear naked choke. I have several variations of just about every choke hold. The thumb can be used in most of them. The front naked choke can be extremely painful with a thumb rather than the wrist. The rear naked choke is not always a done deal unless you do something like the thumb gouge.
Comes from Jap jujitsu. I studied it for many years also. It was the mother of Brazilian Jujitsu, and the mother of modern day Judo. Both were developed as a sport and are not complete as is Jujitsu.
None the less, it seems that the thumb was an illegal application and it cost me the rest of the year as far as compitition.
I am sure you know of the old parlor trick where the 5 year old child is impossible to lift? In case you are not familiar with it, if a small child were to stand erect and you placed your hands under his arm pits he can prevent you picking him up simply by placing hands on the undersides of your forarms and pressing from under them with his fingers. Gently lifting up against the forearms will make you have to lift your own weight. You can not do that. You can also apply this technique in judo by grabbing his gi or by putting your hand under his belt and lifting up as he attempts to throw. Takes a bit of practice to do it from different angles, and you also have to keep your center of gravity low. Makes it more difficult for him to move in under you. It is like trying to uproot a tree or something.

wiz cool c

05-21-2008, 12:29 AM

I got my yellow belt before coming to beijing two years ago. sinece then i've been doing shuai jiao. If I come back two the state for a few months I will be sure to take it up again.

Water Dragon

05-21-2008, 03:59 PM

Cool! Where do you train Dragon?

Sorry it took this long to reply. I don't get on here much anymore. I train at Alamo Judo.

www.alamojudoclub.org

SevenStar

05-25-2008, 12:09 PM

I am a sankyu in judo.

Oso

05-25-2008, 12:16 PM

de nada...

sanjuro_ronin

05-27-2008, 07:15 AM

For may fellow judoka:

http://z15.invisionfree.com/TruthMartialArts/index.php?showtopic=1965

sanjuro_ronin

05-27-2008, 07:19 AM

and:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1pZkv1trEI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7tk8cQ1VJ8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_of8P71itic&feature=related

The changes that judo went through are quite evident seeing these clips.

SevenStar

06-09-2008, 01:34 PM

Anyone heard about olympic hopeful myles porter? He is in the 100 kg class...and he's blind.

Vash

06-09-2008, 02:03 PM

Anyone heard about olympic hopeful myles porter? He is in the 100 kg class...and he's blind.

holy hell. that mother must have sick sensitivity.

Water Dragon

06-09-2008, 03:30 PM

Sensei is on this kick of making us randori with our eyes closed. The traininf blows, but it's definately helps my tachiwaza.

Last week, uke had his hands on his belt, eyes closed; tori could do whatever the hell he wanted except for back ward throws. Everything else was fair game. All I'ma gonna say is thank goodness I did Tai Chi for 8 years, lol.

craneqigong

06-10-2008, 05:45 PM

I think Judo is an excellent beginning, and it is a great sport, I really like it philosophy.

SevenStar

06-23-2008, 06:06 PM

beginning? what is the intermediate? what is the end?

hafoc

06-25-2008, 02:50 AM

SAAMAG

06-25-2008, 10:25 PM

sanjuro_ronin

06-26-2008, 04:15 AM

Interesting. I gotta say though...those plates look more like a scene from a foreign gay porn movie.

So what do you guys think about the whole martial arts origin theories? Greece? Alexander the great? China? Da mo? Pre-historic?

I don't believe that ALL martial arts originated from one source, but rather several arts were created at several times in several locations...and the more modernized technology and travel became, the more easily arts started to influence each other from contact.

Common sense tells us that the first culture to "militarize" would have been the first to formalize some sort of MA.
As for fighting per say, that has been with us from the very beginning, though the preferince has always been armed rather than unarmed.
It is debatable which was first, rock-in-hand or stick-in-hand.
One can assume that perhaps the Babylonians were the first to formalize MA, were they the first to have a military?

Vash

06-26-2008, 06:25 AM

The direct transmission theory seems to be used most often to validate the art of practitioners unsure of it's veracity, applicability, or pimpitude.

sanjuro_ronin

06-26-2008, 07:11 AM

The direct transmission theory seems to be used most often to validate the art of practitioners unsure of it's veracity, applicability, or pimpitude.

Well, many systems were transmitted that way, typically orally, because of the illterate nature of many instructors.

SAAMAG

07-28-2008, 09:08 PM

MightyB

07-29-2008, 05:06 AM

UCHIMATA BABY!

Was doing some randori tonight and scored a flawless ippon with an uchimata makikomi!

First time I tried that throw against a resisting opponent. I think I found my favorite judo throw. The other guy had to sit out after that....wow.

Awesome!

In our club we say "No Uchimata, No Compete". Seriously- you can hit him with uchi while moving forward, backward, or to the side. I've found that tai-otoshi is a great follow up to a missed uchi. Throw a hard right Uchi- he steps out, or for some reason you didn't get under him enough, he'll be standing on his right leg- still bent over from your Kazushi (his left will be still in the air)- drop your right just in front of his, and BAM- tai-otoshi. Maintain the same Kazushi throughout- don't let up the pressure for a second.

SAAMAG

07-29-2008, 07:43 AM

Thanks, I'll try that!

I've been doing more leg throws...have a hard time getting in the hip throws because everyone randori's like they're in competition instead of at the kodokan. So it's tough.

But overall...lovin the judo. It's a great compliment to any system.

MightyB

08-11-2008, 09:24 AM

Hey-

Olympic Judo video is on www.NBColympics.com. They're airing it pretty raw, but there's some good stuff in there.

The B.

Oso

08-11-2008, 10:26 AM

yep, watching it now...pretty good stuff

Kevin Huang

08-19-2008, 04:03 PM

Interesting that we have a thread asking if people practice "judo".

Does anybody here realize that Gracie jujitsu IS Kodokan Judo in its original form? Everything that the Gracies do, including their terminology, is pure Kodokan judo as taught to Carlson Gracie by Mitsuyoshi Maeda, a student of Jigoro Kano.

Compare the Kodokan textbook to the Gracie book. Though the Gracies don't initiate their moves out of the "seiza" (sitting on kneeling legs) posture, they have all the same mentality and rules and uniforms.

Tournament judo of the sort practiced in the Olympics is a far cry from the original purpose of Kodokan judo. There, simply throwing an opponent is enough. In the old days, a guy who got thrown would continue fighting even after his back touched the ground. What the Gracies do is exactly what judo was all about in the old days.

Thus anybody who's studied "gi" Gracie jujitsu is a sort of judo student, in my eyes.

Water Dragon

08-19-2008, 04:36 PM

Not really, Kevin. The Gracies learned Judo in Brazil, but they began to focus heavily on the Newaza aspect whereas Judo began to focus more on Tachiwaza. Judo is better in standing, BJJ is better on the ground. Most people that are serious students of either art will eventually find their way to the 'other side'. You don't really here this debate in Judo or BJJ schools. My current BJJ coach teaches out of my Judo dojo. It's a good trend, and I'd like to see it grow as I think it's good for both sports.

mawali

08-19-2008, 07:19 PM

Yep!

Ne waza is the part of Judo that people did not practice after modernization.
The Gracies continued with ne waza practice while others did not know about it or were not taught it! Mayy Japanese descendants in Brazil today are sons of those who left Japan fora better life and they carried Judo (at least those who knew or taught it) to their new home.

SAAMAG

08-19-2008, 09:00 PM

Yes and no. Newaza was and has always been part of Judo. Kano changed the rules of the shiai's to limit the amount of newaza because the competitions were becoming predominantly newaza.

Maeda taught Gracies the newaza of judo, and the gracie's took that as their own and further developed their ground game. The names of the bjj techniques are not the same...and neither are the tactics or ruleset.

I very much like Judo...I just wish that the training of newaza to tachi waza was more evenly taught, because it just makes sense to continue after the throw.

Kevin Huang

08-19-2008, 10:27 PM

Cool.

I didn't know about the "find their way to the other side" thing, but it makes PERFECT SENSE in light of what I've been seeing from both judo and BJJ practitioners.

I'm less focused on tournament practice than I am on the actual combat techniques utilized in both arts.

SAAMAG

08-19-2008, 10:40 PM

Yep...most BJJ guys will have a black belt in Judo as well; and most schools will have a resident Judo BB.

All in all...they're cut from the same cloth.

MightyB

08-20-2008, 05:00 AM

I posted this before, but it's relevant for this conversation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=korAyURbW6c

SAAMAG

08-20-2008, 09:41 AM

Kevin Huang

08-20-2008, 04:18 PM

"All in all...they're cut from the same cloth."

That's what I have been saying from the beginning. But it totally doesn't matter anyway, for that's NOT what this discussion is about.

SAAMAG

08-20-2008, 04:52 PM

Well...I made this thread to talk about anything revolving around judo (and I guess BJJ as well given that the newaza is part of judo).

So talk about whatever you want with those subjects.

MightyB

08-21-2008, 04:50 AM

Thanks for the vid. Mifune is awesome. I'm going to try some of those submissions next time we do ne-waza.

There's a link on Judoinfo forums that has the dude's library that posted a WHOLE LOT of old school video like that. Worth a look. You can go to keepvid.com to save the file to your hard drive as well.

You're probably thinking about the old "Kosen Judo" videos with Kimura and his buddies that are being re-sold through Amazon and Barnes and Noble. If you go to google video and use the search term "Kosen Judo" they'll come up for free. There's talk in the Judo circles that Kosen Judo went the way of the albatross and doesn't exist anymore and to be wary of anyone who claims to teach it that isn't like 90 years old. IMO Kosen Judo still exists but it's now called BJJ.

SAAMAG

08-21-2008, 09:19 AM

You're probably thinking about the old "Kosen Judo" videos with Kimura and his buddies that are being re-sold through Amazon and Barnes and Noble. If you go to google video and use the search term "Kosen Judo" they'll come up for free. There's talk in the Judo circles that Kosen Judo went the way of the albatross and doesn't exist anymore and to be wary of anyone who claims to teach it that isn't like 90 years old. IMO Kosen Judo still exists but it's now called BJJ.

The guy does have some kosen judo on there, but lot's of other stuff as well. Looks like the clip you showed has a different "author" though.

The essence of Kosen Judo may still exist perhaps, in the fact that it and BJJ both focus(ed) on newaza.

My understanding is that Kosen Judo never officially existed, it was just that the students that trained in that particular location preferred newaza or tachiwaza and spent more time training on the ground. It was never an official offset of Judo according to what I've learned.

A lot of the folks on the judoinfo forums tend to agree on that. There's a couple of pretty high ranking judo black belts on there that everyone seems to revere--a little too much if you ask me--but I'd still trust their judo knowledge over the average judoka.

MightyB

08-21-2008, 09:49 AM

The guy does have some kosen judo on there, but lot's of other stuff as well. Looks like the clip you showed has a different "author" though.

The essence of Kosen Judo may still exist perhaps, in the fact that it and BJJ both focus(ed) on newaza.

My understanding is that Kosen Judo never officially existed, it was just that the students that trained in that particular location preferred newaza or tachiwaza and spent more time training on the ground. It was never an official offset of Judo according to what I've learned.

A lot of the folks on the judoinfo forums tend to agree on that. There's a couple of pretty high ranking judo black belts on there that everyone seems to revere--a little too much if you ask me--but I'd still trust their judo knowledge over the average judoka.

That's all true--- but, the "Kosen" style of Judo would be what we'd call Kodokan Judo today if Kano wouldn't have stepped in with the 1925 rules change. Kosen is the region where University students were using Newaza to beat bigger and stronger opponents. It was all Kodokan Judo using the then current Kodokan rules. Kano liked the big throws. BJJ really is "true-er" to the original pre 1925 Judo than what we practice as Kodokan Judo today. Originally there were no time limits on Newaza, and you could use techniques that were intended to initiate Newaza from a standing position (illegal now- to give you an idea of what I'm talking about- from a right handed standard grip, use your left hand to overhook his left, place your right foot on your opponent's left thigh, and fall to the ground while blocking his thigh so that he falls into Hiza Gatame-- you can't purposefully fall and drag an opponent into Newaza so although if you try what I just described and you will find that it's really effective, you can't use it)

SAAMAG

08-21-2008, 10:06 AM

That's all true--- but, the "Kosen" style of Judo would be what we'd call Kodokan Judo today if Kano wouldn't have stepped in with the 1925 rules change. Kosen is the region where University students were using Newaza to beat bigger and stronger opponents. It was all Kodokan Judo using the then current Kodokan rules. Kano liked the big throws. BJJ really is "true-er" to the original pre 1925 Judo than what we practice as Kodokan Judo today. Originally there were no time limits on Newaza, and you could use techniques that were intended to initiate Newaza from a standing position (illegal now- to give you an idea of what I'm talking about- from a right handed standard grip, use your left hand to overhook his left, place your right foot on your opponent's left thigh, and fall to the ground while blocking his thigh so that he falls into Hiza Gatame-- you can't purposefully fall and drag an opponent into Newaza so although if you try what I just described and you will find that it's really effective, you can't use it)

Absolutely. In some ways I feel that Kano may have made a mistake in doing the rule change...because I think that fighting should be naturally able to flow and find it's own course. IF people were finding themselves using newaza to overcome their opponents, why not let it be that way then? Perhaps Judo then would have become more like BJJ now...but still containing the throws. I think it would have been a better evolution that the modern sport judo. Either that or they need to get rid of the newaza time limits. It's such a waste of skill development when they do that. And WTF is up with no leg attacks?! I still haven't figured that one out.

MightyB

08-21-2008, 10:37 AM

Absolutely. In some ways I feel that Kano may have made a mistake in doing the rule change...because I think that fighting should be naturally able to flow and find it's own course. IF people were finding themselves using newaza to overcome their opponents, why not let it be that way then? Perhaps Judo then would have become more like BJJ now...but still containing the throws. I think it would have been a better evolution that the modern sport judo. Either that or they need to get rid of the newaza time limits. It's such a waste of skill development when they do that. And WTF is up with no leg attacks?! I still haven't figured that one out.

I bet that within our lifetime we'll see leg attacks and more freedom for Newaza in the official ruleset. The modern rules really are for the spectators, so as spectators expectations change, so will the rules.