The way and the power of a mantis

[SPJ]

the way of a mantis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_bVwbJqgAM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdiskmgnTIc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWmf_v297Bw&feature=related

understanding of the power of a mantis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hat5MN29Dzo

:D

what are the way and the power structure of your style?

:)

[sanjuro_ronin]

And how do they test the power and the structure?

[Samurai Jack]

That watercolor animation in the first film was pretty amazing. Thanks for the share SPJ!

[golden arhat]

would be nice to see someone fighting with any of this

[SPJ]

In mantis.

the defensive hand or restraining hand is coupled with empty stance.

then you move the lead foot forward and turn into bow stance with your other hand striking.

so the defensive hand is the empty hand or neutralizing hand

and the striking hand would be the real hand.

in the practice set I posted.

since there are no striking or attacking except the 7.

so I practice them with horse stance or semi horse stance.

power and structure in mantis.

is that the defending hand is light and the striking hand is heavy.

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:D

[sanjuro_ronin]

And how is that tested?

[SPJ]

there are mantis san da matches.

hope other mantis dudes chime in soon.

what I posted are just practice of several defensive or neutralizing hand methods to guard your door.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HRhqyAxJN8

:)

[sanjuro_ronin]

there are mantis san da matches.

hope other mantis dudes chime in soon.

what I posted are just practice of several defensive or neutralizing hand methods to guard your door.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HRhqyAxJN8

:)

Don't take this the wrong way but, the only thing acceptable in that clip was the throws.

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M7M7rLxcYg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8nmSZxIxd0&feature=related

some apps explained.

:)

[Pork Chop]

there may be hope....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB6rKkeIQ5w

EDIT:
Crazy russians...keeps getting better...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul5JDCXoTQo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n85hLOuNiAo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3pbRlmJQF8

[sanjuro_ronin]

You know, and not to rag on Mantis or any other system for that matter, but I think everyone in the MA should take a lesson from the Dog Brothers and their vidoes - You see it demo'd, you see it fought, in full contact, and remember, we are talking about stick fighting here, with real sticks.

[Pork Chop]

You know, and not to rag on Mantis or any other system for that matter, but I think everyone in the MA should take a lesson from the Dog Brothers and their vidoes - You see it demo'd, you see it fought, in full contact, and remember, we are talking about stick fighting here, with real sticks.


Take a look at the vids I posted... definitely didn't look like patty cake with takedowns.
I'm a huge fan of parrying in boxing... want to try out some of those lifting parries.
Don't see why MMA gloves and/or boxing gloves are so hard to transition to.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Take a look at the vids I posted... definitely didn't look like patty cake with takedowns.
I'm a huge fan of parrying in boxing... want to try out some of those lifting parries.
Don't see why MMA gloves and/or boxing gloves are so hard to transition to.

I saw those and I don't know why there are issues with the transition to MMA gloves either.
Boxing I can understand, but MMA gloves, not so much.
I recall a while back, about maybe 10 years or so, I saw some Mantis being demo'd and I don't know if it was southern, but it had tons forearm/elbow blocks and parries and it even looked like a "mantis" and it was an actual sparring match too.
It was like the "crazy monkey" and "street boxing" of Rodney King.

[Lee Chiang Po]

Mantis has weak footwork. The horse you ride is way too big. And you waste too much energy and movement. Mantis can't beat nobody up.

[papillomavirus]

You know, and not to rag on Mantis or any other system for that matter, but I think everyone in the MA should take a lesson from the Dog Brothers and their vidoes - You see it demo'd, you see it fought, in full contact, and remember, we are talking about stick fighting here, with real sticks.

You really mentioned the dog brothers on a traditional martial art forum?
They are a "fight club" with sticks! Brawling. All martial no art.
Preying Mantis is a subtle art with vicious application. Sorry to be blunt but the videos listed in the initial post although sincere do not begin to represent the depth or breadth of traditional mantis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOvO5L6VjSc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG3533Rktzg

And I guess you missed Kung Le hospitalize some MMA bruiser.
Traditional Kung Fu is alive and well and the best stuff is closed door, no foam pads with jow soaked contusions.

[ghostexorcist]

Mantis has weak footwork. The horse you ride is way too big. And you waste too much energy and movement. Mantis can't beat nobody up.
And what all powerful style do you practice?

[Egg fu young]

Good clips. I'd like to learn Mantis but I'm way too lazy.

[sanjuro_ronin]

You really mentioned the dog brothers on a traditional martial art forum?
They are a "fight club" with sticks! Brawling. All martial no art.
Preying Mantis is a subtle art with vicious application. Sorry to be blunt but the videos listed in the initial post although sincere do not begin to represent the depth or breadth of traditional mantis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOvO5L6VjSc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG3533Rktzg

And I guess you missed Kung Le hospitalize some MMA bruiser.
Traditional Kung Fu is alive and well and the best stuff is closed door, no foam pads with jow soaked contusions.

LOL !
Ok, that was a good one !
I needed a laugh, thanks.

[papillomavirus]

LOL !
Ok, that was a good one !
I needed a laugh, thanks.

Laugh on Dog Brother, talk about some funny sh*t. No sin in being stupid or ignorant and you rock them both LOL!

More Mantis Applications
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M7M7rLxcYg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8nmSZxIxd0

[sanjuro_ronin]

Laugh on Dog Brother, talk about some funny sh*t. No sin in being stupid or ignorant and you rock them both LOL!

More Mantis Applications
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M7M7rLxcYg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8nmSZxIxd0

You were serious ??
OK then.

Oh and thanks for the compliment, but I am not a DB, that's Dale's job :)

[papillomavirus]

You were serious ??
OK then.

Oh and thanks for the compliment, but I am not a DB, that's Dale's job :)

Standing Corrected

[SPJ]

Mantis has weak footwork. The horse you ride is way too big. And you waste too much energy and movement. Mantis can't beat nobody up.

can't have it both ways.

1. if you want quick change of steps, to the left, to the right, up an down etc.

the steps have to be light and fast to be flexible.

2. yes, hand works are very "busy"

a lot of grabbing/grappling and de- grabbing/grappling or qin na and anti qin na.

but these have to light or flexible, the final strike or throw has to be heavy.

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I learned mantis in kuo shu club in high school in late 1970'.

yes, you are busy with the steps and handwork.

that made me to "ask" for something that are more direct or straightforward or not as busy.

and that led me to ba ji and tong bei.

straightforward or direct on neutralization, and 99% of energy and movement on strike or throw.

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simple and direct move may be more effective, more energy and time saving and higher success rate--

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:confused::D;):)

[golden arhat]

You really mentioned the dog brothers on a traditional martial art forum?
They are a "fight club" with sticks! Brawling. All martial no art.
Preying Mantis is a subtle art with vicious application. Sorry to be blunt but the videos listed in the initial post although sincere do not begin to represent the depth or breadth of traditional mantis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOvO5L6VjSc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG3533Rktzg

And I guess you missed Kung Le hospitalize some MMA bruiser.
Traditional Kung Fu is alive and well and the best stuff is closed door, no foam pads with jow soaked contusions.

oh dear lord


you realise that

one cung le is a wrestler first and foremost.

the first "mma bruiser" (who is likely a skilled martial technician but lets just call him a bruiser)opponent, Mike altman, was a long time san shou compettitor

[golden arhat]

You really mentioned the dog brothers on a traditional martial art forum?
They are a "fight club" with sticks! Brawling. All martial no art.
Preying Mantis is a subtle art with vicious application. Sorry to be blunt but the videos listed in the initial post although sincere do not begin to represent the depth or breadth of traditional mantis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOvO5L6VjSc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG3533Rktzg

And I guess you missed Kung Le hospitalize some MMA bruiser.
Traditional Kung Fu is alive and well and the best stuff is closed door, no foam pads with jow soaked contusions.

and are those videos supposed to demonstrate how "vicious" mantis is ????

looked like a game of slaps to me man

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YevHxhpBVIA&feature=related

a cool intro clip about plum flower mantis.

:)

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8yeznBE1ks

chen tai ji and 7 star mantis from wilson wu.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcPBOqQGeyU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1Uu7Ze3OQs&feature=related

some apps explained by him.

:)

[papillomavirus]

and are those videos supposed to demonstrate how "vicious" mantis is ????

looked like a game of slaps to me man

You remain unimpressed & I remain unconcerned as to your preferences or aversions.

I'm thinking it's just another fancy way to beat someone up but I think those vid demonstrate how skillful Brendan Lai was. Tell me Golden Buddy-boy, you uhh got any vids of yourself doing anything other than running your mouth about things you don't understand? Because the way you talk you must be extra skilled in martial art! :p

[GeneChing]

This subforum is dying. :(

I'm going to give it a little luv, but am considering merging it with the main forum if it doesn't get active.

Meanwhile, this...


Why this praying mantis is wearing tiny 3D glasses (https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/9/16996006/praying-mantis-3d-glasses-machine-vision-biology)
Scientists created a little 3D movie theater to find out how mantises see depth
By Rachel Becker@RA_Becks Feb 9, 2018, 2:21pm EST

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Q8ZYLKtY1orTvwmFauDiKZe9X88=/41x60:1496x976/920x613/filters:focal(603x282:867x546):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/58640939/162052.0.jpeg
Photo: Newcastle University, UK

Praying mantises willing to wear 3D glasses and sit through bizarre, abstract movies have revealed a new way of seeing the world in three dimensions. The findings could help improve machine vision for robots that need to judge distance, like drones. But most of all, thanks to this research, we now know what bug-eyed mantises look like in glasses: adorable.

These carnivorous — frequently, cannibalistic — insects are well known for their pious posture, and the female’s habit of devouring her mate after sex. Praying mantises also have an unusual perspective for a bug: they’re the only insect we know of that can see in 3D, like we can. But figuring out how their bug-brains judge distance has been a challenge, because you can’t exactly ask a mantis to describe what it’s seeing. So scientists developed what they call a “3D insect cinema” and the bug versions of 3D glasses to test mantis vision. They discovered that mantis brains tune out confusing background information to judge distance to a moving target, according to a paper published Thursday in the journal Current Biology.

That’s completely different from how our own brains sense depth. To create a 3D perception out of each eye’s slightly different 2D picture of the world, the human brain has to merge both images. By comparing where the images match and where they differ, the brain can calculate what’s nearby and what’s far away. But if the images differ too much — like if one eye is seeing a picture of a forest and another is looking at a car on a road — that merging process breaks down.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/uszhkQd9ERCDD52AK0mF-AuoVag=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/10193143/162054_web__1_.jpg
Photo: Newcastle University, UK

To figure out if it works the same way for mantises, the team created a little 3D movie theater for the insects that specializes in films showing moving, abstract patterns of dots. One of the dot patterns — called the target — was supposed to look like prey to the mantis. So the idea was that if the 2D screen looked 3D to the mantis, the mantis would try to grab that target. And to find out which parts of the scene were key to the mantises’ 3D vision, the team changed the background pattern to try to make or break the illusion.

The mantises had to watch these films through the bug version of those old-school 3D glasses with differently colored lenses that show different views to each eye. But getting the mantises to actually wear the glasses was a bit of a challenge. Unlike humans, their ears don’t provide convenient handles on either side of their heads (their one ear is in the middle of their chest). So instead, the researchers had to temporarily stick the colored lenses to the mantises’ faces using a non-toxic beeswax glue. “They were quite helpful, except when they didn’t like their glasses,” says Vivek Nityananda, a neuroscientist at Newcastle University who led the study. “You’d come back into lab the next day and you’d find they’d removed the glasses, and you’d have to fit them all over again.”

The team discovered that for mantises, the background details didn’t seem to matter. Each eye could see completely different scenes: as long as both eyes could see something that looked like prey, and that prey was moving, the mantis could still judge distance to it. That’s different from how it works for us, where pretty much all the details need to match up. If one eye was seeing a forest and the other a road, for example, it wouldn’t matter if a dot was flickering in similar spots on both scenes, we still wouldn’t be able to tell how far away it was.

The finding was a complete surprise, Nityananda says. But it makes sense that the mantis visual system would be specifically tuned to motion. Mantises lie in wait for their prey to buzz past them. So it’s more efficient for a small mantis brain to ignore confusing background information and focus on what’s important: where its next meal is going. That same efficiency could help robots like drones judge distance, and the team is designing a mantis-inspired algorithm to improve machine vision. “Given what we know about the human 3D system, it wasn’t something that we had already imagined,” Nityananda says. “We had to completely rewire our imaginations to see the world through a mantis’s eyes.”

[PalmStriker]

:) You could merge the Northern Mantis and WingChun styles, both forums are GhostTowns these days.

[spiralstair]

This subforum is dying. :(

I'm going to give it a little luv, but am considering merging it with the main forum if it doesn't get active.

Meanwhile, this...

Let it go...

[MightyB]

This subforum is dying. :(

I'm going to give it a little luv, but am considering merging it with the main forum if it doesn't get active.

Meanwhile, this...

There's just not much to talk about anymore. Maybe it wouldn't be a bad thing to start consolidating the boards.

[Jimbo]

There's just not much to talk about anymore. Maybe it wouldn't be a bad thing to start consolidating the boards.

Agreed.

The subforums that focus on one style in particular are withering.

I recall YEARS AGO there was a Southern Praying Mantis forum here as well, but that one got closed, not due to inactivity, but due to members from different SPM lineages constantly insulting each other (much worse than the WC forum ever got). Even if it hadn't been closed and were still around today, it would be dying, too. There's really only so much that can be discussed about a single style, anyway, even if there are different lineages/substyles.

[GeneChing]

Merge into the main Kung Fu forum (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-Kung-Fu-Forum)? This forum is really an artifact of our forum's founder, Steve Creel, who was a proponent of Praying Mantis. It's always been a bit of an outlier however, like the SPM subforum. I want to let this stand because years ago this was an issue and several NPM members rallied to have this subforum continued. But they seem to be gone now. Or at the very least, they've stopped posting.

It's true what you all say about individual style forums. The Wing Chun subforum (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?9-Wing-Chun) is suffering too. The Shaolin subforum (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?6-Shaolin-Kung-Fu) is still doing well, but that's a bit of a different story for many reasons.

On the whole, posts are way down, which in some ways is a relief because flame wars are way down too. View numbers are still solid so people are still reading it and lurking. We still get plenty of eyeballs overall.

I'm not going to move on this until after our tournament (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?70463-10th-Tiger-Claw-Elite-KungFuMagazine-com-Championship-May-19-20-2018-San-Jose-CA) because I've got plenty of other tasks to deal with until then, and leaving this here isn't hurting anything, but consolidation is certainly food for thought. It would reduce some of the noise in terms of having less subforums.