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diego
05-24-2008, 04:49 AM
What's your favorite Tiger Claw application?...mine's the standard rake the face and punch


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Two Claw....Application: http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?Uc=ciydu6cv.9bvfu7un&Uy=-suyij9&Upost_signin=Slideshow.jsp%3Fmode%3Dfromshare&Ux=0&UV=683976890609_888044888111&mode=fromshare&conn_speed=1

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^ form

So, I started breaking up all of the Tiger Claw motions in the forms I was taught and started doing them mad slow with full dynamic tension which has me looking for any thing online relating to Tiger Claw Body methods. Hung Gar has a few legends on Shaolin and the Tiger form, plus most southern styles use the shape so I'm sure most of you know something about the skill... I'm compiling a list of all the good tiger clips on the i-net hoping some one has some old shaolin texts speaking on this topic!?. I know the general Tiger gives you big bones and muscles, sharpen the nails and scratch his eyes out, etc. I'm really hoping to find an article on that one Monk who used Tiger Style to get built like Arnold back in the day

This is an on going thread so be sure to share whatever pops up...

David Jamieson
05-24-2008, 05:00 AM
cradle choke and push with "Black Tiger Leave the Cave"

also "blind and kick"

diego
05-24-2008, 05:06 AM
cradle choke and push with "Black Tiger Leave the Cave"

also "blind and kick"

would you explain the first one Dave?.:)

nospam
05-24-2008, 05:43 AM
I like to open and drop a fu jao taking the bridge high and slamming hard. It usually sets up nicely for tao lau chop.

It's all good.

nospam
bak hsing kwoon
:cool:

diego
05-24-2008, 05:48 AM
I like to open and drop a fu jao taking the bridge high and slamming hard. It usually sets up nicely for tao lau chop.

It's all good.

nospam
bak hsing kwoon
:cool:

i wish it was like the jetsons we all can put on our masks and talk online:)...take the bridge high, are you saying claw high making him raise up so you can punch low?.

David Jamieson
05-24-2008, 06:03 AM
stepping forward and pressing in with gung chin ma, shoot the fu jow to the throat while pushing in with the forearm guard.

here's a pic of the structure: http://www.plumpub.com/images/VCD3/vcd871.jpg

except that the upper hand would be turned a little more to allow access to the throat of the receiver. the lower arm is lock-pressing the receivers am to his body.

you maintain forward momentum and look for a takedown push or to slam them into a wall or object.

as soon as they make any effort at recovery, change and strike with vigour and return to closed gates as doing so.

this move is alos used to lift the head from under the chin and elsewhere on the body to set up clutching, locking or transitions.

nospam
05-24-2008, 06:26 AM
diego

...take the bridge high, are you saying claw high making him raise up so you can punch low?.

No. Chuen sao fu jao chuen sao ping chop...to be exact. The originating chuen sau generates a high block or guard reaction.

It's all good.

nospam
bak hsing kwoon
:cool:

diego
05-24-2008, 06:35 AM
diego

...take the bridge high, are you saying claw high making him raise up so you can punch low?.

No. Chuen sao fu jao chuen sao ping chop...to be exact. The originating chuen sau generates a high block or guard reaction.

It's all good.

nospam
bak hsing kwoon
:cool:

Oh :o sao fu jao...gung hay fat choy to you to...i kinda know what you said, but it's like reading the french side to a bag of chips:D

nospam
05-24-2008, 07:05 AM
:D

..stick one hand in face, fu jao with other, stick other hand back in face, chop of choice..low sodium chips/croustilles..of the big/grand sac variety..0 trans fat/gras trans :p

Une saveur favorite Canadienne!

It's all good.

nospam
bak hsing kwoon
:cool:

David Jamieson
05-24-2008, 07:09 AM
so continuous chip eating, or "chain munching" is where it's at? :p

nospam
05-24-2008, 07:09 AM
..out of all my animals, I love Tiger. Great cardio workout on top of some plyometric science.

It's all good.

nospam.
bak hsing kwoon
:cool:

nospam
05-24-2008, 07:09 AM
..for me..I am afraid so David! :eek:

It's all good.

nospam.
bak hsing kwoon
:cool:

David Jamieson
05-24-2008, 07:18 AM
hahaha.

another good result piece of fu jow development is when you can do collar bone grab and pulls.

1. they seriously seriously hurt

2. they take a long time to develop and pull off, at least a few months of solid training.

this is a great move, simple and solid in principle. I'm actually a little surprised i haven't seen a fingerless adaptation to the tech in mma circles yet. It would be a cool clinch thing, like bump and runs or pops.

Like a pop out, collarbone grab and drop with maybe a hook off the free hand.


hmmmmn...

jdhowland
05-24-2008, 09:12 AM
stepping forward and pressing in with gung chin ma, shoot the fu jow to the throat while pushing in with the forearm guard.

here's a pic of the structure: http://www.plumpub.com/images/VCD3/vcd871.jpg

except that the upper hand would be turned a little more to allow access to the throat of the receiver. the lower arm is lock-pressing the receivers am to his body.




The first tiger technique in our CLF is a variation of this. Instead of thrusting, the jaau is slammed downward onto the face or collarbone stiking with the base of the palm before the fingers clutch.

Tibetan White Crane doesn't have a tiger claw per se. The TWC jaau is a "monkey hand" but the use is similar. The finger "claws" are a bit more extended with a more concave palm shape than fuh jaau. There is less use of the palm heel. The fingers rake the opponent's face and arms and change to seizing hands when the opportunity presents. Favorite targets are the forearms and back of neck.

jd

WinterPalm
05-24-2008, 09:39 AM
stepping forward and pressing in with gung chin ma, shoot the fu jow to the throat while pushing in with the forearm guard.

here's a pic of the structure: http://www.plumpub.com/images/VCD3/vcd871.jpg

except that the upper hand would be turned a little more to allow access to the throat of the receiver. the lower arm is lock-pressing the receivers am to his body.

you maintain forward momentum and look for a takedown push or to slam them into a wall or object.

as soon as they make any effort at recovery, change and strike with vigour and return to closed gates as doing so.

this move is alos used to lift the head from under the chin and elsewhere on the body to set up clutching, locking or transitions.

In experimentation recently I've found that technique to be a great let scoop off of a thigh kick...as long as you time it well and the person isn't throwing for your head.

WinterPalm
05-24-2008, 09:45 AM
Onto the thread topic:

I really like the downward swinging fu-jow using the palm heel on the bridge of the nose followed by a left hook to the temple (ideally).

diego
05-26-2008, 11:15 AM
Another CLAW :)

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshare&Uc=ciydu6cv.82xt7133&Uy=-92n628&Ux=0&UV=104118126085_637311298111

B-BOY Stylee...

sanjuro_ronin
05-26-2008, 11:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NAEXYhNFL0

6 Minutes in, the real tiger claw !

diego
05-26-2008, 11:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NAEXYhNFL0

6 Minutes in, the real tiger claw !

:cool: I would have never found that, awesome sanjuro. What's the performers name, do you know?.

sanjuro_ronin
05-26-2008, 11:57 AM
:cool: I would have never found that, awesome sanjuro. What's the performers name, do you know?.

Heathen !!
Its the Executioners from Shaolin !!!

diego
05-26-2008, 12:17 PM
Heathen !!
Its the Executioners from Shaolin !!!

i'm into imperial fam hop style, ****a Ming G;)

sanjuro_ronin
05-26-2008, 12:26 PM
i'm into imperial fam hop style, ****a Ming G;)

Lack of chi....

diego
05-26-2008, 12:41 PM
Lack of chi....

speaking of lack of chi... http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9875/imageax3.jpg

Steeeve
05-26-2008, 04:59 PM
Tiger Claw.....:)

Why used the tiger claw? ....try ur tiger claw again a 6 feet 3 and more at 230 lbs and more......who want to reach ur head

Do you know whats a tiger claw strike....do you believe in special iron palm training....so much kung fu freak in this new world...

come guys wake up

Steeve

David Jamieson
05-26-2008, 06:37 PM
Tiger Claw.....:)

Why used the tiger claw? ....try ur tiger claw again a 6 feet 3 and more at 230 lbs and more......who want to reach ur head

Do you know whats a tiger claw strike....do you believe in special iron palm training....so much kung fu freak in this new world...

come guys wake up

Steeve

6'3" and 230 isn't impervious to attack no matter the hand form.

Iron palm training is conditioning, and yes, i believe in conditioning methods.

Not enough kungfu freaks in my opinion. :)

fully awake!

:p

Laukarbo
05-26-2008, 08:47 PM
6'3" and 230 isn't impervious to attack no matter the hand form.

Iron palm training is conditioning, and yes, i believe in conditioning methods.

Not enough kungfu freaks in my opinion. :)

fully awake!

:p

second that

diego
05-26-2008, 10:59 PM
Tiger Claw.....:)

Why used the tiger claw? ....try ur tiger claw again a 6 feet 3 and more at 230 lbs and more......who want to reach ur head

Do you know whats a tiger claw strike....do you believe in special iron palm training....so much kung fu freak in this new world...

come guys wake up

Steeve

what do you think of collarbone grabs like Peter demo's on the first page?...I only train to slam my heel in someones chin and then maybe scratch the eyes a bit make him water as I go for the targets dogs strike at:)

How opposed to the tiger claw are you?...I think it's grrreat. I like what buddy said about get some napkins and a wine glass in your tiger claw at a pub...

also I worked with some strong iron workers before who had hands of steel...

kfman5F
05-27-2008, 12:08 AM
There are a lot of chin-na applications in Tiger style.

diego
05-27-2008, 07:47 AM
There are a lot of chin-na applications in Tiger style.

Is there any chinese texts on Tiger Claw wrestling...muscle conditioning and grappling?.

diego
05-27-2008, 08:28 AM
http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?mode=fromshare&Uc=ciydu6cv.1fxjrwzj&Uy=-wbiffz&Ux=0&UV=906060839246_356164498111

Stretch Claw

JPGS & YOUTUBE.COM peeps...;)

SDJerry
05-27-2008, 09:20 AM
I like the close range attack to the liver or spleen. Hit with heel of the palm, elbow in close to your side, using your hips and legs to generate the striking power. The initial strike pushes the skin up to where you can grab it with the fingers, lock, twist, and use your hips to return your hand to the waist. That puts it in a great position to strike again :)

My Sifu has hit me with it and the pain is intense! You can use a butterfly palm or similar blocking motion to slip the punch and setup the attack. It hurts regardless of if you are 90lbs or 300lbs and the attack is low so you can get plenty of power in it.

diego
05-27-2008, 06:22 PM
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Various Tiger clips

diego
05-28-2008, 10:10 AM
http://www.kodakgallery.com/BrowsePhotos.jsp?UV=606735798227_368465798111&collid=981631144111.522492138111.1211994532546&page=1&sort_order=0&navfolderid=0&folderid=0&ownerid=0

claw groin and rip up

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white pants tiger tail kick :)

diego
05-29-2008, 09:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=41C6F6D75DDD9F4E

Play List..Add on like A.D.D brought to you by A.T.T...:rolleyes::D

diego
05-29-2008, 10:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=41C6F6D75DDD9F4E

Play List..Add on like A.D.D brought to you by A.T.T...:rolleyes::D

SimonM
05-30-2008, 12:17 PM
Tiger Claw.....:)

Why used the tiger claw? ....try ur tiger claw again a 6 feet 3 and more at 230 lbs and more......who want to reach ur head

Do you know whats a tiger claw strike....do you believe in special iron palm training....so much kung fu freak in this new world...

come guys wake up

Steeve

Congratulations, both incoherent and beligerent. I give you 3/10 on the trolling scale.

On a serious note though the hu jow is actually a very versatile hand formation. Although I put little weight by it's raking applications I find that for both direct strikes and siezing techniques it is a useful structure.

diego
05-30-2008, 12:26 PM
Congratulations, both incoherent and beligerent. I give you 3/10 on the trolling scale.

On a serious note though the hu jow is actually a very versatile hand formation. Although I put little weight by it's raking applications I find that for both direct strikes and siezing techniques it is a useful structure.

What's with the raking?...as form it is good cuz you get like a dynamic tension in your wave hands...Any one ever use raking in sparring, lol!?. I was told Kajukenbo kata like spear eyes with right hand and rake down center to solar plexus and then short palm to plexus all with right hand...now the only useful concept I can get out of Raking is that the form teaches you to catch the joints aggressively, but the Legends of the Tiger Claw are so adamant about Rake the flesh off the forearm as you grab the wrist...Steeeve practices tiger claw, i'm not sure how much of a troll attempt that was...:)