Traditional Stances

[MightyB]

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdTCXhanxzk&eurl=http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=san+shou+training&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=

Notice that he takes a traditional hill climbing stance. There is wisdom to be found in the old stuff.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdTCXhanxzk&eurl=http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=san+shou+training&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=

Notice that he takes a traditional hill climbing stance. There is wisdom to be found in the old stuff.

That wasn't a "hill climbing" stance, that was the ancient Muay Boran technique that translate to: " Lean in and take the kick you ***** ! ".

[Becca]

That wasn't a "hill climbing" stance, that was the ancient Muay Boran technique that translate to: " Lean in and take the kick you ***** ! ".LOL! So since he didn't come right out and call it that then it couldn't hav been that even though that is what it looked like?:rolleyes:

[SifuAbel]

There are no guns in Spain, only pistolas. Not the same thing.

[Pork Chop]

I used to do that one a lot.

A lot of muay thai coaches got on me for it, even though it kept my legs relatively safe & let me catch or counter without too much trouble.
Took me a while to figure out why.
In muay thai scoring, even if you catch my thigh, as long as i lift my leg, the point doesn't count.

You can definitely say that technique is not taken from muay thai and is uniquely chinese san shou; at least in cung le's case.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

LOL!! Cung Le is teaching Traditional Kung Fu!

So much for his wins being the result of minimal experience in TKD, a samttering of Muy Thai and high school wrestling ehy?

I think it is cool that a real Chinese martial artist holds an MMA title.

I also like how he was showing the details that make it work. It makes sense like that. If all TCMA teachers did that, we'd get more respect.

[SevenStar]

Cung Le origins aside, I have always been taught that in muay thai.

[David Jamieson]

rd-

all you can do is be the change you want to see.

who gives a rats ass about what other guys are doing?

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Cung Le origins aside, I have always been taught that in muay thai.

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Ok, I withdraw my last post then.

[Pork Chop]

Cung Le origins aside, I have always been taught that in muay thai.

really?
I've been yelled at about it at 3 separate thai gyms now; 2 of them thai trainers from thailand, the other a fairtex-trained american.

[monji112000]

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdTCXhanxzk&eurl=http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=san+shou+training&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=

Notice that he takes a traditional hill climbing stance. There is wisdom to be found in the old stuff.

lol I'v seen allot of people do that its straight angle and structure.

I'm surprised nobody mentioned machida. Sure He isn't the "BEST" striker.. but I like him allot. His tito fight was very uneventful.. but he fought smart. JMO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuyDlSujlic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Kptigxw1YI

he has a nice old school Karate stance, and he is big on karate kicks.

[sanjuro_ronin]

I used to do that one a lot.

A lot of muay thai coaches got on me for it, even though it kept my legs relatively safe & let me catch or counter without too much trouble.
Took me a while to figure out why.
In muay thai scoring, even if you catch my thigh, as long as i lift my leg, the point doesn't count.

You can definitely say that technique is not taken from muay thai and is uniquely chinese san shou; at least in cung le's case.

Really?
That is interesting, I was taught it first in kyokushin, then again in MT, matter of fact, Chai showed it at one of his seminars I attended.

[sanjuro_ronin]

lol I'v seen allot of people do that its straight angle and structure.

I'm surprised nobody mentioned machida. Sure He isn't the "BEST" striker.. but I like him allot. His tito fight was very uneventful.. but he fought smart. JMO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuyDlSujlic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Kptigxw1YI

he has a nice old school Karate stance, and he is big on karate kicks.

Correctomundo.

[SimonM]

One of my favorite techniques for stopping kicks has been to step into them and deflect them off the thigh. It's aggressive and it tends to equalize a fight as I am a strong puncher and a weak kicker. I have only met two people who could land a side kick or a roundhouse on my thigh while I was using that counter who could bring the pain. :P

[Pork Chop]

Really?
That is interesting, I was taught it first in kyokushin, then again in MT, matter of fact, Chai showed it at one of his seminars I attended.

Yeah...hmm... it is interesting.
probably just a gym thing - like the whole "toes up or toes down when checking kicks or throwing knees"; you'll see it taught different ways in different camps.

I know a lot of thais that hate sliding kicks - whether sliding front, sliding side, or sliding roundhouse; but master K teaches it and I see Saenchai & Kaoklai doing it all the time.

I like sitting on leg kicks for a few reasons - on tall guys it lets me close distance and start lighting them up with punches, on quick guys I'll catch it so I can follow up with a free punch, other times I do it to mix it up - one time check, one time sit so i'm not predictable & can anticipate/counter a counter.

[lkfmdc]

Muay Thai is not an monolith. Depending upon the camp and coach, what they teach can be quite different. I have quite a few friends in that world, watching them argue over the "right way" is very fun :D

[sanjuro_ronin]

Muay Thai is not an monolith. Depending upon the camp and coach, what they teach can be quite different. I have quite a few friends in that world, watching them argue over the "right way" is very fun :D

Nice to know that "virus" effects us all !

[SevenStar]

Really?
That is interesting, I was taught it first in kyokushin, then again in MT, matter of fact, Chai showed it at one of his seminars I attended.

yeah, he showed it to us as well.

[lkfmdc]

I guess I should also clarify something technically in RE to Muay Thai scoring

Pork Chop (?yes?) said that he thought it was because if it hits the thigh, it scores, but if you lift the leg it does not score

Sadly, not that simple.

MT scoring is often based upon who looks the most aggressive and who is "leading the fight"

IE a kick to the thigh scores normally, UNLESS, you catch the kick, and answer IMMEDIATELY, then you "score"

MT scoring so so strange that I can kick you, LAND the kick, you kick me back, I block it, but YOU are ahead

[sanjuro_ronin]

yeah, he showed it to us as well.

Probably because he likes counter the low kick with the over hand right so much.
Grab and over hand right/low kick counter too if I recall.

[Pork Chop]

I guess I should also clarify something technically in RE to Muay Thai scoring
Pork Chop (?yes?) said that he thought it was because if it hits the thigh, it scores, but if you lift the leg it does not score
Sadly, not that simple.
MT scoring is often based upon who looks the most aggressive and who is "leading the fight"
IE a kick to the thigh scores normally, UNLESS, you catch the kick, and answer IMMEDIATELY, then you "score"
MT scoring so so strange that I can kick you, LAND the kick, you kick me back, I block it, but YOU are ahead

This is true...

Firing back immediately usually negates an attack.

Also, if you check a kick and lose your balance checking it, the kick scores anyway because you "gave up your structure".

Sometimes they'll even score against you from stepping back to dodge a kick; especially if you don't fire right back.

My current coach's strategy is very much "stand right in front of the guy"; but I'm enjoying it because it's still very technical, and better suited to a guy like me who's not going to have reach on anybody he fights. Just close that distance once, don't give an inch, but don't get hit while you're in there. It may sound crazy to do when you're outsized, but you see plenty of thais do it to much larger farang all the time.

We also don't stress combos a whole lot (not like Dutch style), which is nice to have in your back pocket (along with the run & gun offense) when things in the gym aren't going my way.