School curriculum

[mkriii]

I was just curious as to what other schools require thier students to know for each belt/sash assuming they have a belt/sash system or at least for thier black belt. This is what I teach. Most of the things I learned were/are from my teacher (John Dufresne). Other things I learned from other teachers and decided it was worth while to teach. But I would like to state that all the people that I have learned from are either students of Dufresne's or of Grandmaster Wing Loc Ng.

Empty Hand Forms:
White sash - Shaolin Power Drill
Yellow sash - Gung Li Chuan – Power Fist Set
Green sash - Fu Jow Chuan – Tiger Fist
Blue sash – Mei Hua Chuan – Plum Flower Fist
Red sash - She’ Chuan (Green Bamboo Viper) – Snake Fist
2nd Level Brown sash - Pao Chuan – Leopard Fist (taught to me from Eric Nesson)
1st Brown Level sash – Chang Chuan - Long Fist
1st Black sash – Loong Ying Chuan (Wu Shu Dragon form) – Dragon Fist
1st Level Bl ack sash – 5 Animal Plus Lohan (taught to me from Brian Hall)
1st Level Black - Seven Star Praying Mantis (taught to me from Brian Hall)
2nd Level Black Sash – Fu Jow (old tiger form) – Tiger Fist (taught to me by Grandmaster John Ng at Four Seasons Kung Fu & Wu Shu Academy on Regency Road; 1987)
2nd Level Black sash - Hou Chuan – Monkey Fist (taught to me from Mark Burgher)
Weapons Forms:Yellow sash – Gwun (long staff - 6 ft.)
Green sash - Dan Dao
Red sash – Short Staff (4 ft.)
1st Level Black sash – Jui Chiat Bien – Nine Sec. Whip Chain
2nd Level Black sash – Battle Ax

Stances: Gong Bu (front/bo) stance – white sash
Ma Bu stance (horse stance) – white sash
Pu Bu (drop stance) – white sash
Xu Bu (cat stance or hollow stance) – yellow sash
60/40 – yellow sash
T stance – yellow sash
Crane stance – green sash
Fighting stance – white sash
Eagle stance – black sash
Zuopan (cross stance) – green sash

Kicks:
Zhengtantui (front snap kick) – white sash
Mule kick – white sash
Side Kick– white sash
Back kick – white sash
Hook kick – yellow sash
Zhengtitui (front flex kick) – green sash
Lihetui (inside crescent) – green sash
Waibaitui (outside crescent) – green
Cetitui (side flex kick) – green sash
Lunbi Caijiao (front slap kick) – purple sash
Snake kick – red sash
Roundhouse – yellow sash
Ax kick - purple sash
Oblique – red sash
Butterfly kick – 1st level brown
Dragon kick- brown sash

For 1st Level Black Sash: Know 5 Self-Defense Escapes From These Situations:
Double wrist grab Rear bear hug Side club attack
Single wrist grab Front bear hug Downward club attack
Lapel grab Rear arm lock Lunging knife to the mid-section
Hair grab

Poison Hand Strikes (should know all by red sash):
reverse punch
bear claw
elbow strikes
snake bite
back fist
lobster claw
open tigers mouth
2 finger poke
spear hand
crab bite
dragon tail strike
ox hand
poison thumb
phoenix eye
chicken wrist
tiger claw
iron thumb
trigger finger
crane beak
leopard paw
thumb strike
immortal man strike
lacerations
hammer fist
ridge hand
palm strike
twin dragon tail

Punch Defenses - 1 through 40 (know all 40 for black sash)
Snake Breathing Exercise (red sash)
Chin Na - 1 through 15 (1st level black)
Eight (8) point blocks with strikes (add the strikes to the blocks @ yellow sash level)
Two man forearm to forearm blocking drill (yellow sash)
Basic pressure points (should be learned around green sash level).
Break one and two concrete patio tiles. (1st & 2nd level black sash)
History and general knowledge of Kung Fu (yellow sash and higher)
Grappling skills: start at green sash
Single leg takedown, double leg takedown, ankle picks, fireman’s carry, ankle trips, straight arm bars (from guard, mount and side mount), shoulder cranks, duck under, helicopter arm bar, kimura, leg locks, passing the guard knee locks, Americana, chokes (front and rear), guillotine choke, and triangle choke, guard position, north south position, side mount, mount position, shooting, knee on stomach position, butterfly guard, sit outs, standups, etc..... (start learning at green sash)

[sanjuro_ronin]

White belt: how not to get hit, thrown or submmited.
Blue belt: How to hit, throw and submit.
Brown belt: Catching bullets with teeth and disarming nude Russian female gymnastics team with "slithering Snake technique".
Black Belt: Catching bullets with Gluteus Maximus and submitting Hawaiian tropic bikini team with the "anaconda choke".

The rest is uber-secret, sorry.

[mkriii]

Brown belt: Catching bullets with teeth and disarming nude Russian female gymnastics team with "slithering Snake technique".
The rest is uber-secret, sorry.


I like brown belt requirements, I might have to include that in my curriculum. Do you teach the snake flickers its tongue technique?

[sanjuro_ronin]

I like brown belt requirements, I might have to include that in my curriculum. Do you teach the snake flickers its tongue technique?

Of course, its an internal "Yin" technique, but very effective, of course the proper training partner is crucial, as such, our requirements for excepting students is very intense, case in point my newest student:

[mkriii]

I'm quite impressed.

[lkfmdc]

First exam = 12 months in the school

New York San Da
Outline of First Exam

1. Boxing drills
a) Defense vs. jab, cross, hook, body hook, uppercut and elbow
b) Punches to set up knee (jab, jab/cross, jab/cross/hook)
c) knees vs punches
d) “Four shields” drill into clinches

2. Kickboxing drills
a) Defense vs. right and left low kick
b) Defense vs. right and left body kick
c) “Hard style” cross block
d) “Soft style” cross block
e) Low parry

3. Counters
a) Four counters against jab
b) Five counters against cross
c) Five counters against right low kick
d) Four counters against left low kick
e) Three counters against right body kick
f) Three counters against left body kick

4. Muay Thai pads
5. Leg kick shield

6. The clinch for throws
a) Outer reaping sweep
b) Knee blocking (“tomahawk”)
c) Single leg takedowns
d) Front body lock
e) Defense vs. front body lock
f) Duck under
g) Shooting
h) Shooting strategies

7. The clinch for striking
a) Neck wrestling
b) Five counters to neck tie
c) Demonstrate four knees
b) Setting up knee strikes (spins)

8. SPARRING

[sanjuro_ronin]

First exam = 12 months in the school

New York San Da
Outline of First Exam

1. Boxing drills
a) Defense vs. jab, cross, hook, body hook, uppercut and elbow
b) Punches to set up knee (jab, jab/cross, jab/cross/hook)
c) knees vs punches
d) “Four shields” drill into clinches

2. Kickboxing drills
a) Defense vs. right and left low kick
b) Defense vs. right and left body kick
c) “Hard style” cross block
d) “Soft style” cross block
e) Low parry

3. Counters
a) Four counters against jab
b) Five counters against cross
c) Five counters against right low kick
d) Four counters against left low kick
e) Three counters against right body kick
f) Three counters against left body kick

4. Muay Thai pads
5. Leg kick shield

6. The clinch for throws
a) Outer reaping sweep
b) Knee blocking (“tomahawk”)
c) Single leg takedowns
d) Front body lock
e) Defense vs. front body lock
f) Duck under
g) Shooting
h) Shooting strategies

7. The clinch for striking
a) Neck wrestling
b) Five counters to neck tie
c) Demonstrate four knees
b) Setting up knee strikes (spins)

8. SPARRING

I've seen your students, mine are better looking.

[lkfmdc]

I've seen your students, mine are better looking.

Clearly, you are not talking about my Brazilian Jiu JItsu students! (http://a908.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/77/l_c24233cb640e0cfb612701baecaa720b.jpg) :mad:

;)

[WinterPalm]

Clearly, you are not talking about my Brazilian Jiu JItsu students! (http://a908.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/77/l_c24233cb640e0cfb612701baecaa720b.jpg) :mad:

;)

I've been there. I've seen them.:eek: Wow.:)

[TenTigers]

Level I
1.Horse Stance
Level II
1. Horse Stance
Level III
1. Horse Stance
Level IV
1. Horse Stance
Level V
1.Horse stance
Level VI
1. Horse stance
2. Punch, no. Nevermind. Horse Stance
Level VII
1. Horse Stance


ok, I'm tired of writing...you get the joke

[TenTigers]

of course, once yo get to Black Sash, the real Stuff happens:
Black Sash Level I
1 . Advanced Horse Stance
Black Sash Level II
1. Advanced Horse stance
Black Sash Level III
1. Advanced Horse Stance


this is a three year curriculum, leading to eventual Bai-Si
Bai-Si curriculum is as follows:
1. Ch'i Balls
2. Dim Mak Death Touch
3. Light Body Skills including jumping and flying
4. Telekinesis
5. Teleportation
6. Horse stance
7. Lobster Claw-I love that!
8. How to defeat a MMA fighter using the Horse Stance, and Lobster Claw

[sanjuro_ronin]

clearly, You Are Not Talking About My brazilian Jiu Jitsu Students! (http://a908.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/77/l_c24233cb640e0cfb612701baecaa720b.jpg) :mad:

;)

Booyahh !!!!

[sanjuro_ronin]

of course, once yo get to Black Sash, the real Stuff happens:
Black Sash Level I
1 . Advanced Horse Stance
Black Sash Level II
1. Advanced Horse stance
Black Sash Level III
1. Advanced Horse Stance


this is a three year curriculum, leading to eventual Bai-Si
Bai-Si curriculum is as follows:
1. Ch'i Balls
2. Dim Mak Death Touch
3. Light Body Skills including jumping and flying
4. Telekinesis
5. Teleportation
6. Horse stance
7. Lobster Claw-I love that!
8. How to defeat a MMA fighter using the Horse Stance, and Lobster Claw

Tell me, are the chi balls sweet n sour?

[xcakid]

http://www.swyi.com/curriculum.htm

[sanjuro_ronin]

http://www.swyi.com/curriculum.htm

Dude, there are 36 chambers, not 32.
*shakes chi*

[xcakid]

Dude, there are 36 chambers, not 32.
*shakes chi*


The other four are so secret and deadly, they are not mentioned

[golden arhat]

I was just curious as to what other schools require thier students to know for each belt/sash assuming they have a belt/sash system or at least for thier black belt. This is what I teach. Most of the things I learned were/are from my teacher (John Dufresne). Other things I learned from other teachers and decided it was worth while to teach. But I would like to state that all the people that I have learned from are either students of Dufresne's or of Grandmaster Wing Loc Ng.

Empty Hand Forms:
White sash - Shaolin Power Drill
Yellow sash - Gung Li Chuan – Power Fist Set
Green sash - Fu Jow Chuan – Tiger Fist
Blue sash – Mei Hua Chuan – Plum Flower Fist
Red sash - She’ Chuan (Green Bamboo Viper) – Snake Fist
2nd Level Brown sash - Pao Chuan – Leopard Fist (taught to me from Eric Nesson)
1st Brown Level sash – Chang Chuan - Long Fist
1st Black sash – Loong Ying Chuan (Wu Shu Dragon form) – Dragon Fist
1st Level Bl ack sash – 5 Animal Plus Lohan (taught to me from Brian Hall)
1st Level Black - Seven Star Praying Mantis (taught to me from Brian Hall)
2nd Level Black Sash – Fu Jow (old tiger form) – Tiger Fist (taught to me by Grandmaster John Ng at Four Seasons Kung Fu & Wu Shu Academy on Regency Road; 1987)
2nd Level Black sash - Hou Chuan – Monkey Fist (taught to me from Mark Burgher)
Weapons Forms:Yellow sash – Gwun (long staff - 6 ft.)
Green sash - Dan Dao
Red sash – Short Staff (4 ft.)
1st Level Black sash – Jui Chiat Bien – Nine Sec. Whip Chain
2nd Level Black sash – Battle Ax

Stances: Gong Bu (front/bo) stance – white sash
Ma Bu stance (horse stance) – white sash
Pu Bu (drop stance) – white sash
Xu Bu (cat stance or hollow stance) – yellow sash
60/40 – yellow sash
T stance – yellow sash
Crane stance – green sash
Fighting stance – white sash
Eagle stance – black sash
Zuopan (cross stance) – green sash

Kicks:
Zhengtantui (front snap kick) – white sash
Mule kick – white sash
Side Kick– white sash
Back kick – white sash
Hook kick – yellow sash
Zhengtitui (front flex kick) – green sash
Lihetui (inside crescent) – green sash
Waibaitui (outside crescent) – green
Cetitui (side flex kick) – green sash
Lunbi Caijiao (front slap kick) – purple sash
Snake kick – red sash
Roundhouse – yellow sash
Ax kick - purple sash
Oblique – red sash
Butterfly kick – 1st level brown
Dragon kick- brown sash

For 1st Level Black Sash: Know 5 Self-Defense Escapes From These Situations:
Double wrist grab Rear bear hug Side club attack
Single wrist grab Front bear hug Downward club attack
Lapel grab Rear arm lock Lunging knife to the mid-section
Hair grab

Poison Hand Strikes (should know all by red sash):
reverse punch
bear claw
elbow strikes
snake bite
back fist
lobster claw
open tigers mouth
2 finger poke
spear hand
crab bite
dragon tail strike
ox hand
poison thumb
phoenix eye
chicken wrist
tiger claw
iron thumb
trigger finger
crane beak
leopard paw
thumb strike
immortal man strike
lacerations
hammer fist
ridge hand
palm strike
twin dragon tail

Punch Defenses - 1 through 40 (know all 40 for black sash)
Snake Breathing Exercise (red sash)
Chin Na - 1 through 15 (1st level black)
Eight (8) point blocks with strikes (add the strikes to the blocks @ yellow sash level)
Two man forearm to forearm blocking drill (yellow sash)
Basic pressure points (should be learned around green sash level).
Break one and two concrete patio tiles. (1st & 2nd level black sash)
History and general knowledge of Kung Fu (yellow sash and higher)
Grappling skills: start at green sash
Single leg takedown, double leg takedown, ankle picks, fireman’s carry, ankle trips, straight arm bars (from guard, mount and side mount), shoulder cranks, helicopter arm bar, kimura, leg locks, knee locks, Americana, chokes (front and rear), guillotine choke, and triangle choke (start learning at green sash)

are you sure your 34?

[TenTigers]

from some of the terminology given, I would conclude that this person trained in Shaolin Kempo, and added a bunch of Chinese forms,some being 'recent creations', to form this curriculum.

[sanjuro_ronin]

I love the Muay Thai and Boxing curriculums:

Everything is learned within the first 6 months or less (typically much less) and you spend the rest of the time perfecting it.
Gotta love training what works.

[mkriii]

from some of the terminology given, I would conclude that this person trained in Shaolin Kempo, and added a bunch of Chinese forms,some being 'recent creations', to form this curriculum.

Some may be from Shaolin Kempo because my techer did study Kenpo (under Nick Cerio I think) and Shaolin Do (GM Sin The' @ The Sin The' Sports Center) before studying Ng Family Style Kung Fu & Sil Lum Kung Fu. Subsequently, he did earn a black belt in both Kenpo and SD. My teacher is currently I believe a 7th or 8th level black sash in the Ng Family Style Kung Fu system, I think 8th. This curriculum is similiar to what my teacher had except I added the grappling.

[TenTigers]

honestly? Do some research into those forms-mixing dialects in a form's name is a dead giveaway that it is made-up nonesense-ex;Fu Jow Chuan.
Creating a curriculum from many different types of forms does not develop the student's foundation in any one thing. You end up being a forms collector, but have no real knowledge in any one thing. Learning a set from a system does not give you understanding of how the system actually works, contrary to what many seem to believe. The actual workings of the system is taught through direct transmission-hands on. Sure, you might end up being able to judge forms divisions, but it wouldn't go any further than there.

[mkriii]

honestly? Do some research into those forms-mixing dialects in a form's name is a dead giveaway that it is made-up nonesense-ex;Fu Jow Chuan.Creating a curriculum from many different types of forms does not develop the student's foundation in any one thing. You end up being a forms collector, but have no real knowledge in any one thing. Learning a set from a system does not give you understanding of how the system actually works, contrary to what many seem to believe. The actual workings of the system is taught through direct transmission-hands on. Sure, you might end up being able to judge forms divisions, but it wouldn't go any further than there.

So what dialect is Fu Jow? And what dialect is Chaun?

[mkriii]

from some of the terminology given, I would conclude that this person trained in Shaolin Kempo, and added a bunch of Chinese forms,some being 'recent creations', to form this curriculum.

The punch defenses are from Kenpo, yes. The forms are from Sil Lum (so I've been told). None are from Shaolin Do. As for the dialects I do not know. I believe you have said you knew who my teacher was or have at least heard of him (John Dufresne). I've studied under him for 18+ years and he has always told me and other students that we are learning Sil Lum Kung Fu for the most part with the exception of 1 or 2 forms (and those being wu shu). The dragon form is a wu shu form and so is the long fist form. The forms taught to me by Mark Burgher and Brian Hall were not part of Dufresne's curriculum those I added to mine because I liked them and thought they had something to offer. The leopard form was taught to me by Eric Nesson who was a teacher at Dufresne's school and a student of Grandmaster John Wing Loc Ng.

[LoneTiger108]

Clearly, you are not talking about my Brazilian Jiu JItsu students! (http://a908.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/77/l_c24233cb640e0cfb612701baecaa720b.jpg) :mad:

;)

Where can I learn to do that? :eek: Forget it! I'm a newly wed man!! :(

[LoneTiger108]

FWIW We teach from a Chinese curriculum at The Yum Yeurng Academy, which you can see a part of here http://www.theyumyeurngacademy.co.uk/Curriculum/foundation/foundation.html

Don't bother asking for a translation (as I've done this before and it doesn't really help anything!)

As TenTigers has said 'hands on' learning is the only way...

[golden arhat]

fu jow is cantonese

chuan, chuen or wuan however you wanna say it is mandarin

[Mulong]

Adding onto Ten Tigers’ comment; you have a potpourri of styles (shi), which possibly could be confusing to students, because each taolu (set way/form) possess a certain characteristic or flavor; for example, you seem to have southern (nan) lu (way/form), e.g. tiger claw, and some northern (bei) lu, e.g., long fist, which are opposite of one another; hence, requiring different basics to be proficient. However, if you don’t care about being authentic then the opinion doesn’t matter at all.

It is better to utilize one Chinese dialect, when instructing students, because it could also be confusing and worst, embarrassing. ;)

[Drake]

Northern and southern should never mix!!!! :eek::eek:

[David Jamieson]

My methods are known by many, the path is similar to all kungfu men.
No need to tell others what they already know. :)

and if you don't, then I am not one to rush.
You have the rest of your life to practice and learn.

[Eddie]

I love the Muay Thai and Boxing curriculums:

Everything is learned within the first 6 months or less (typically much less) and you spend the rest of the time perfecting it.
Gotta love training what works.

This is how they teach san shou in china. Its awesome.

[xcakid]

Northern and southern should never mix!!!! :eek::eek:

My school teaches both northern and southern. Granted the southern styles are not introduced until after you get your black belt, which is 2.5+ yrs later. So in a sense they are taught at different times and not interwoven throughout your training.

I don't see much confusion in it. :cool: I think they can be taught as long as you get a good basis first.

[Drake]

My school teaches both northern and southern. Granted the southern styles are not introduced until after you get your black belt, which is 2.5+ yrs later. So in a sense they are taught at different times and not interwoven throughout your training.

I don't see much confusion in it. :cool: I think they can be taught as long as you get a good basis first.

... nevermind. Went right over your head...

[xcakid]

... nevermind. Went right over your head...

Guess it did :D