Kwa power mechanics

[kung fu fighter]

How do you guys in the southern fist use the kwa to generate power?

[TenTigers]

There are many ways to utilize the kwa in Nam Kuen.
Here are but a few examples:
When going from say ping ma to ji ng ma for ping kuen, the rear foot drives into the ground, the kwa closes, the waist turns and the power manifests to the hands.
When performing jik chung choy, the fist,elbow, and shoulder are in alignment, and as the weight drops onto the front leg, the kwa opens, again transferring power from the ground, up through the legs, governed by the waist,to be expressed in the hands.
When performing gwa choy in say ping ma, the body drops as the kwa opens.
Yee ji kim yeung ma is "pidgeon toed" and yet there is emphasis placed on the kwa opening.
During swallowing, the kwa closes
these are some. Food for thought.

[kung fu fighter]

So the only ways to utilize the kwa is by the kwa opening and closing by rotating left to right?

Do you always have to drive the rear heel into the ground to activate the kwa?

[TenTigers]

no, you don't have to drive the rear heel to activate the kwa. It is simply a component to generate power. They work together.
I was referring to the opening and closing of the kwa. Being aware of the kwa, in and of itself is big. Too bad Cjurackpt isn't posting. He could give us a detailed explanation.
If youtake this question to the Tai Chi/internal arts threads, they will no doubt go into some detail on this. Also, try the Wing Chun board-there are several guys there who are very technical oriented as well.

[kung fu fighter]

Thanks!

Do you utilize your kwa the same way that the tai chi guys do, or is it different in the southern arts?

Do you initiate Kwa movements with your lower back and waist muscles? or do you initiate with the hip/pelvis as one piece with the waist and lower back muscles?

is there a segmented movement between when the waist rotate and when the hip rotate?

[TenTigers]

Thanks!

Do you utilize your kwa the same way that the tai chi guys do, or is it different in the southern arts?


answer- Hung-Ga has similarities to Yang Family in many ways (at least the way I play Hung-Ga)

Do you initiate Kwa movements with your lower back and waist muscles? or do you initiate with the hip/pelvis as one piece with the waist and lower back muscles?



is there a segmented movement between when the waist rotate and when the hip rotate?


yes, more segmented-when shifting. Also when swallowing-segmented yet connected-hard to do, even harder to explain.

[kung fu fighter]

is it like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktyxZoO7r_8&feature=related

[TenTigers]

too bad you can't see his feet and stance. hard to tell.

[Steeeve]

kwa is a back fist .....a short backfist retract or thelong range Kwa like CLF...used for blocking or hit.....destroy the weapon who attack you ....better to hit his face in the same time

some used the bottom fist (hammer ) kung fu san soo call that backhand ....
using the long range kwa for block and destroy or to hit like the lama pai guys

I talk about the kwa here not the pek ........in filipino MA thats a angle 2 with the stick or open hands.....a cross centerline fist strike diagonal or downward....a backfist.....thats simple.....the mechanist is the transfert of he weight in long range .....if its a short back fist use it like a jab just the waist motion...difficult to explain ....im french from Quebec;)


Steeve

[TenTigers]

yes, Kwa, or Gwa, depending on your Cantonese-Guongdong-wah, Guangzhao-Wah, etc is the vertical backfist strike.
However, in this case we are referring to the Kwa, which is the inguinal crease of the pelvis and pelvic area.
They are pronounced the same, but the han ji is different.

[Steeeve]

Whatever the chinese name a back fist is a back fist......:D a swing is a swing

im a baseball acro.....go yankee go:)

Steeve

[Wong Ying Home]

Steeeve,

To repeat TenTigers the topic for discussion is the Kwa or the inguinal fold of the hip and pelvis.

One should be able to rotate or open/close the kwa while in a Gung Bu, without the front leg changing position over the front knee and without the pelvis rising up and down. The pelvis should rotate on the horizontal alignment. The back leg should also not have to change. Practicing a sung kwa or soft kwa is important in any TCMA practice.

Pints to work on are vertical rotation of the spine and horizontal rotation of the pelvis while retaining alignment.

Another good exercise is to sit in Ma Bu or Sei Ping Ma. Kness aligned, behind toes, without rising up or tilting the pelvis rotate the pelvis so that one knee pulls back and the other pushes forward, about an inch on each side. Keep spinal ailgnment in place as well. That should allow for vertical and horizontal rotation and give a sense of root in the feet. It's a good sung kwa exercise Apologies for bad description hope it is sort of clear

[Steeeve]

Ok Kwa :D

Opening the Kwa .....Sorry .......:cool: I misunderstood

You talk about the kwa ....the pelvis motion HEhehehehe

The best exercise is having sex ;)

Ok forget about it just try to recuperate me ....I will try to take my time when I read next time .....

Steeeve:)

[kung fu fighter]

Do all kung fu systems use the kwa the same way or are there variations as to how the kwa can be used? For example tai chi uses a rocking back and forth or side to side movement (shifting the weight). where as in wing chun you just rotate on your central axis or COG.

[Infrazael]

Are you guys talking about this Kua here? 胯

[kung fu fighter]

yes, I am referring to the kwa

[chasincharpchui]

Are you guys talking about this Kua here? 胯

im confused, i thought they were talking bout 掛

[Steeeve]

The Kua is the the good term ...the pelvis ,the hip the waist and so on walk the circle in low kua :D

Kwa or gwa is more a back fist ....u know a kind of back fist in CMA

But thats ok ....before the kua or kwa .....the breathing ...the breath my friend;)
relax no tension ....ur kwa is free ...

the three internal harmony are very important ....the yi (intention) give the chi (energy) to the li ( muscular action) or the mouvement...thats why you need to ttrain ur body without tension to have the coordination the three external harmonies..shoulder ,hips and feet

train physical attribute .....flexibility ,power ,endurance....with yoga ,weight training and running whatever ....but do it with no tension no stress...dont forget to breath....

Im a poet:D

Dont forget im not a English:cool:

Steeeve

[Infrazael]

im confused, i thought they were talking bout 掛

No that mandarin for that is GUA, e.g. "to hang."

The "KUA" is something different.