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edward
08-03-2008, 03:22 AM
Got bored and made some new video helping to explain some of wing chun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nLYV8bDeWw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFBh9nrXD3Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve-phryVDc8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2vWThEMhwg

Ali. R
08-03-2008, 10:19 AM
Got bored and made some new video helping to explain some of wing chun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nLYV8bDeWw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFBh9nrXD3Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve-phryVDc8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2vWThEMhwg


I like your explanations; but with the stance, should that be on the ideal of development to the point of making it natural far as “chum” is concerned, and making true meaning to the saying “you’re only as good as your stance”?

Meaning, finding the right ideal or structure that connects one deeply into the ground and developing that to the point of being natural and being able to move just like everyone else, and making the lower triangle strong developing the leg muscle (but not hurting the joints) while making your bases very strong so the arms can be very relaxed to receive the energies through softness…

Rather then standing high and not giving the lower triangle it’s proper due for chum, but going up the wing chun latter looking for that strong connection to the floor 4 or 5 years later in your wing chun studies, when that should be one of the things that should be mastered first just as that being the first clip of your series…

It’s all about getting power from the floor, and the stronger the connection is the softer the hands will be, and from that you wouldn’t have to move around that much at all…

I hope you meant; finding something that works for you and develop it to the point of getting lower and deeper into the ground, rather then standing high and over working the top triangle…

Like you said, “I do it my way, and you can do it your way”, and sometime being “weird” works out just fine…


Take care,


Ali Rahim.

Mr Punch
08-03-2008, 07:18 PM
I have a similar question about stance: you say wing chun should be natural and therefore not painful, but while I agree it shouldn't hurt your joints etc, pain in the muscles while you are training them is fine IMO. The stance feels unnatural at first but becomes natural through hard work, I would say.

Good to get your perspective though, and good vids. Thanks.

edward
08-04-2008, 04:26 AM
I like your explanations; but with the stance, should that be on the ideal of development to the point of making it natural far as “chum” is concerned, and making true meaning to the saying “you’re only as good as your stance”?

Meaning, finding the right ideal or structure that connects one deeply into the ground and developing that to the point of being natural and being able to move just like everyone else, and making the lower triangle strong developing the leg muscle (but not hurting the joints) while making your bases very strong so the arms can be very relaxed to receive the energies through softness…

Rather then standing high and not giving the lower triangle it’s proper due for chum, but going up the wing chun latter looking for that strong connection to the floor 4 or 5 years later in your wing chun studies, when that should be one of the things that should be mastered first just as that being the first clip of your series…

It’s all about getting power from the floor, and the stronger the connection is the softer the hands will be, and from that you wouldn’t have to move around that much at all…

I hope you meant; finding something that works for you and develop it to the point of getting lower and deeper into the ground, rather then standing high and over working the top triangle…

Like you said, “I do it my way, and you can do it your way”, and sometime being “weird” works out just fine…


in the end, your trying to make it natural for you, but stay within the principle of things.. since everyone's shape, size, weight is different, the YGKYM stance is a guide line of helping you find your center, no 2 people will have it exactly a like....





Take care,


Ali Rahim.
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edward
08-04-2008, 04:29 AM
that is correct, make it feel natural... but often people have a hard time deciphering, what relaxed is.... all to often, people are putting a physical exercise element into wing chun, trying to feel for something.....

remember, most people's mentallity is still no pain no gain....if you think this way, and you do the stance, and you got it correctly, all your feedback from the practicing this, is simply, it feels good..... can you imagine, that most people would say they aren't actually doing anything, coz their body isn't sore, or no sweat has dripped from their head.

Vajramusti
08-04-2008, 07:37 AM
Enjoyed the 3 videos that you put up.


joy chaudhuri

Ali. R
08-04-2008, 08:26 AM
Everything in wing chun is un-natural and needs to be develop, and if being natural is that easy, then anyone could understand it fully (the system) within 5 to 7 years…

“The best way to develop your center of gravity is to develop your legs,” said A. Fong (1992) … Just as one does in kicking drill while standing on one leg bringing the foot in and out and up and down… Man that hurts like h*ll, (I guess he had it all wrong, huh.) And I did those with your teacher at least 15min at a time…

It felt like he tried to kill me, but from there I went on with those drills for years making my legs stronger and stronger…

I really don’t understand the size thing, but we should all be trying to develop the same objective, no matter; fat, skinny, tall or short, to have a low center of gravity… "The more the connection is to the ground (strong legs) the more you’ll have control of your center" said A. Fong”… And I’m also glad you have a different point of view, then from mark 137 to 160 on clip one…

And my teacher says the same thing as yours told me, and many others about the stance.

Take care,


Ali Rahim.

Vajramusti
08-04-2008, 01:39 PM
I don't know where and when you are talking about and the nature and length of your contact.. YGKYM and one legged stance:Different contexts involved. No contradiction.One legged stances are for developing many things including balance. When one hasnt done it at first the legs can tremble and hurt. When the balance is found, it helps you with a strong foundation.
The developmnt of the proper structure continues with further understanding of the gravitational path from the top to the bottom.
The center of gravity is always individual specific. Varies with size and weight distribution.
Balance is activity specific. Wing chun balance is different from boxer's, or wrestlers.The devil in the details.Its not an easy road. If you lean back, forward or sideways you(editorial not personal you) put the wrong stress on the muscles in a strained effort to devlop structure.



joy chaudhuri

Ali. R
08-04-2008, 02:51 PM
Hey Joy,

I understand, and like you said no contradiction…:)

It’s all about sinking your chi, and he did said the “stronger the legs the stronger the balance then one can begin to sink his chi”, of course structure will always play a major factor in all this to keep from being hurt…;)

Back then, ‘Fong’ did call a lot of people lazy that did not have a good stance or balance when kicking or when using their stance (weak legs) every time I’ve seen him and when he talked about kicking, stance and balance he always mention making your legs strong…

About 15 seminars and well over 10 visits/block time 4 hr. each = 40 hr. or more. (Private Session), just over and within 20 years ago…:D

Take care,


Ali Rahim.