Austin Martial Arts Festival 2008

[sha0lin1]

The AMAF is set for 10/11/08, anyone going to compete?

[xcakid]

Would love to go, but alas, the lack of funds and cost of travel is going to make me skip this one.

You guys have fun. Hope to see you guys and meet ya at next years Taiji Legacy though. :D

[masherdong]

The AMAF is set for 10/11/08, anyone going to compete?

Our school will be there. I will try my hand at no-gi grappling as well as all the other kung fu forms. Aint nothing like a kung fu guy who can grapple.....or at least try!

[GeneChing]

...so here's the link (http://amafest.org/). :cool:

[MasterKiller]

Are they going to have San Shou? The link to the rules PDF is broken.

[1bad65]

I will try my hand at no-gi grappling as well as all the other kung fu forms. Aint nothing like a kung fu guy who can grapple.....or at least try!

Last years event had a very small turnout for the grappling competitions.

[SanHeChuan]

I'll be there.

The last two years they did have san shou. So my assumption will be yes.
I think they charge per event so I'll probably do just the San Shou. Hopefully they will bust out with some better mats this year. I've made the suggestion that they should do so. I also suggested a flat door free for competition.

While the year before had a good turnout, last years competetion was light across the board. I assume in part because the AAU was held the same month or near to. I think labor day weekend was around that time too.

Hopefully this year will see a better turn out.

[xcakid]

I need to win the lotto or get a better job. :(

[sha0lin1]

I'll be there.

The last two years they did have san shou. So my assumption will be yes.
I think they charge per event so I'll probably do just the San Shou. Hopefully they will bust out with some better mats this year. I've made the suggestion that they should do so. I also suggested a flat door free for competition.

While the year before had a good turnout, last years competetion was light across the board. I assume in part because the AAU was held the same month or near to. I think labor day weekend was around that time too.

Hopefully this year will see a better turn out.


Last year he did zero advertising or marketing. This year I believe he filed as a nonprofit. Hopefully there will be more competitors in the CMA this year. Seemed like grappling, TKD, and Karate drew a lot, San Shou a few. The registration form says $40.00 for two events, I am not sure if San Shou was or is any different. A friend told me at the AAU that San Shou now falls under the authority of the boxing commission which means that events/competitors/judges need to be sanctioned. Anyone heard anything on this?

[MasterKiller]

A friend told me at the AAU that San Shou now falls under the authority of the boxing commission which means that events/competitors/judges need to be sanctioned. Anyone heard anything on this?
This is my understanding, which is why I asked if they were actually having San Shou. I suspect they won't.

[GLW]

Sanshou in Texas is really up in the air.

For the AAU, the national organization disallows things that have potential head trauma. They are even moving away from boxing. So, for the AAU to do Sanshou and still be in good graces with the national governing body, the rules would have to be pretty restrictive.

Perhaps a partnering with a Sanshou body is in the future here.

Then, the new laws in Texas are fairly vague. Read them one way and you come away with "It's all OK" Read them another and it states that elimination formats are not allowed. This is the norm - fighter 1 fights 2, 3 fights 4, 5 fights 6, 7 fights 8, then the winners are paired..and so on. This fits the laws description of the disallowed elimination format....

What they want is for there to be one set of fights - fighters do one fight...then you have a later event with the next round.... maximum recovery time is the goal, I guess.

[xcakid]

Sanshou in Texas is really up in the air.




Taiji Legacy doesn't seem to have a problem with it. They had it last year, and unless things have changed since my last update, they going to have it again this year. I just wish they have an old fogey division.

[MasterKiller]

Taiji Legacy doesn't seem to have a problem with it. They had it last year, and unless things have changed since my last update, they going to have it again this year. I just wish they have an old fogey division.

Uh, Taiji Legacy cancelled in 2008, and I bet when they re-emerge in 2009 there will be changes to the San Shou format.

[xcakid]

Uh, Taiji Legacy cancelled in 2008, and I bet when they re-emerge in 2009 there will be changes to the San Shou format.

I meant next year. I'm already counting this year over. :o

[GLW]

The laws changed tail end of last year or first part of this year. So, there has not been a Taiji Legacy that has had to deal with it. I doubt that it is even on Jimmy Wong's radar yet.

His competition does NOT have to deal with the AAU national organization rules....but he will have to deal with the Texas legal issues.

Granted, many people just ignore the issue. For example, the World Games in 1995 in Baltimore had Sanshou. Maryland has a fairly strong Boxing Commission. In reality, with head contact allowed, all fighters were supposed to have been licensed by the commission for Maryland. The promoter did a change in wording of the rules to make it sound like the head contact was not allowed (wink wink, nudge nudge) and I know that the guy who got the bronze medal left Baltimore with a concussion.

So...how the laws play out remains to be seen. Jimmy Wong's event may be the first one to have to navigate that mine field.

[lkfmdc]

Well, really, most people when they think Kung Fu are not thinking of full contact fightting, sad but true, so you can get away with it for a while at least until the commissions get tipped off....

The NACMAF and later USA WKF san shou events were technically illegal...

If the issue is number of rounds in a day, it CAN be addressed, but most promoters will simply just not do it

[sha0lin1]

This is my understanding, which is why I asked if they were actually having San Shou. I suspect they won't.


The flyer says they are under contact competitions.

[sjnation]

Is Shuaijiao going to happen at this event?

[masherdong]

Yes, I believe so.

[1bad65]

There is going to be San Shou there. Some guys from one of the gyms I train at are competing. All striking is allowed, except for knees. The fighters will be wearing 14oz gloves.

[masherdong]

I found out about 2 weeks ago from Shifu Hwang that there is no no-gi grappling this year like they had previously. :(

[SanHeChuan]

Well if there is going to be someone there to fight san da I'll be there.

I've been slacking the last couple of weeks but :rolleyes:

I guess I better start getting ready :D

[MasterKiller]

There is going to be San Shou there. Some guys from one of the gyms I train at are competing. All striking is allowed, except for knees. The fighters will be wearing 14oz gloves.

Elbows? In amateur?

[1bad65]

Elbows? In amateur?

Not sure on elbows. I know in sparring last night for it we were not using elbows. Sorry about that.

You have to pay to enter the tournament. No one is getting paid, so that the TDLR is not involved. So I guess it would be considered more of a smoker.

[1bad65]

Well if there is going to be someone there to fight san da I'll be there.

There should be at least 3 from South Austin Gym there for the San Shou.

Not sure how many are gonna do the gi and no-gi grappling/BJJ.

[SanHeChuan]

NOTE: This is an amateur San Shou competition open to adults only (18 years and older).

General
Clothing: Participants must wear fight-appropriate shorts (boxing shorts, kick-boxing shorts, BJJ shorts, etc.) or kung-fu pants (if long pants are worn, shin protection must be on outside of pants). Participants must also wear proper protection common to San Shou competition, which includes the following:
 Head gear
 Gloves (16 oz for weight classes 190 lbs and up, 14 oz for all others)
 Chin guards
 Groin protection
 Chest protection
 Instep protection

Weight Divisions: Final weight divisions may be determined on the day of the competition, but will adhere as closely as possible to the following:
 120 lbs - 129 lbs
 130 lbs -139 lbs
 140 lbs -149 lbs
 150 lbs -159 lbs
 160 lbs -169 lbs
 170 lbs -179 lbs
 180 lbs -189 lbs
 190 lbs - 200 lbs
 201 lbs - 225 lbs
 226+ lbs
Weigh-ins: Weigh-ins will start two or more hours prior to the matches. These will be announced at the day of the event if they have not been announced publicly beforehand. A short physical examination will take place to determine proper hygiene (length of finger and toe-nails, cleanliness, etc.) and general good health.

Bouts: The duration of the contest will be three rounds of two minutes each, with a one minute rest period between rounds. In case of a tie score after the completion of the 3rd round, a 4th round of two minutes will be conducted as the sudden death overtime round, after a one-minute rest period following the 3rd round. Your name will be called for the match three separate times, with a wait of one minute between each calling. Unless the head judge makes an alternate decision to postpone further, failure to answer or being unprepared to compete at last call will result in your forfeit.

Scoring
Legal Techniques
 Kicks and punches that are not directed at the spine, groin, knee or throat, sweeps and throws are legal.
 Take-downs that the Official feels may result in injury, may be stopped. If this occurs, points will be awarded as though the technique had not been stopped.
Illegal Techniques
 A technique (especially throws) that could result in a neck or spine injury is illegal (i.e. throwing opponent so that opponent’s head hits first). It is illegal to left your opponent above your shoulders.
 Continuing to attack after the referee stops the match is illegal.
 Strikes to the groin are illegal.
 ALL knee and elbow strikes are illegal.

Holding
Time Limit for Athlete holding is 3-seconds for non-activity.

Points
The Center or Chief Official may award 3 points for a technique sending your opponent to the floor.
 Kick to the trunk or the head - 2pts
 Takedown, attacker ends on feet - 2pts
 Punch to the trunk or the head - 1pt
 Kick to the leg - 1pt
 Takedown, attacker ends on mat - 1pt
Match score shall be the sum of points of the three rounds.

Loss of Round
Two standing 8-counts in a round results in loss of the round.
Being pushed out of competition area three times in a round results in loss of the round

Loss of Match
Three 8-counts in a match results in loss of the match.
If a competitor is clearly over-matched, the Center or Chief Official may end the match and declare an Absolute Victory

Penalties
Three warnings in a round will result in loss of the round.
Six cautions in a round will also result in the loss of the round.
If a competitor commits an unintentional foul resulting in the opponent becoming unable to continue the match, the match will be declared No-Contest and the fouling competitor will be allowed to continue in the competition.

[htowndragon]

ive had no time to train. i competed last year on a whim as well, but i dont want to go up against south austin gyms people without being in shape. i may stop by but i dont know if i want to compete this year

[SanHeChuan]

Bah win or lose who cares just play the game :D

[masherdong]

Ok, my opinion on this tournament was "what are they doing?" All of the adult forms divisions were all jacked up. Shaolin1 was in charge of all of the kung fu forms. From what I saw, he had everyone divided out in their perspective style, experience level, gender, and age. Then, Sensei Gary Lee who is one of the best kenpo karate instructors out there called everyone who is doing "kung fu kata" to come to the front. Sensei Lee used the color belt scheme and anyone who was 16 yrs old and up was considered an adult. Males and females competed against each other, and old guys like me competed with the young guns. The kids were divided by age group and that was it. One of our students went up against some jr black belts and she is only a beginner. She still got a bronze medal but come on. Then, weapons were all put together into one category. Staff, broadsword, double d's, 9 ring broadsword, were all lumped into one category. My wife lost the gold to someone who was doing broadsword when she was doing staff.

Then, I find out that there is no continuous sparring. So, all of the kung fu people who were doing continuous sparring were combined with karate point sparring. Man, what gives? Oh, well.

I thought this was supposed to be a kung fu tournament? They ran it like a karate tournament. If I wanted to compete in a karate tournament I would of gone to an AOK tournament. Anyways, we all still had fun and hopefully next year they can run the forms division like it is supposed to be.

Shaolin1, I thought you were doing a good job on the forms breakdown and they should of let you to continue to run it.

SHAOLIN1 FOR KUNG FU CHAIRMAN OF AUSTIN MARTIAL ARTS FESTIVAL!

[sha0lin1]

Thanks for the Kudos Masher but no way in hell would I want to be a chairman. Ya know I spent a lot of time organizing that list of competitors and trying to be fair with divisions and such. They gave me that list about 30 minutes prior to the competition and it just had everyones name, age, and experience level. At least they did have it broken down into categories of styles and weapons until Sensei Lee changed it all. I was still working on it when Sensei Lee called everyone up there so it kind of made me mad when he did what he did especially since he undid everything I had done.

For that tournament disorganization is nothing new. I will make some suggestions to the organizers for next years competition. Hopefully, it will run a little smoother. In the end though I think everyone had a good time. I have supported this tournament for the last three years now because I would like to see it blossom into something more. Austin really does not have a tournament for the CMA and I really like the blending of styles that takes place at this tournament. But one lesson that needs to be learned is that if people walk away from it saying WTF? they will not come back to the next one you have. I would send them my suggestions right now but I am literally walking out the door to go to Houston to train.

I did enjoy meeting you and your wife and San He Chuan as well even though he was got KO'd

[1bad65]

I think everything got mixed together because the turnout was small.

Was Sensei Lee that fat guy who hung around by the boat?

[masherdong]

Was Sensei Lee that fat guy who hung around by the boat?

Yes, that's him.

[1bad65]

Yes, that's him.

That guy was a d!ck. I'm being honest.

He sat by his boat just bellowing out orders to people. He never once thanked anyone. He snapped at the kids who moved a little slow for his taste. And he kept plugging his boat and the upcoming boat show.

That guy is an instructor?!?! He was pushing 300 pounds!

[masherdong]

That guy was a d!ck. I'm being honest.

He sat by his boat just bellowing out orders to people. He never once thanked anyone. He snapped at the kids who moved a little slow for his taste. And he kept plugging his boat and the upcoming boat show.

That guy is an instructor?!?! He was pushing 300 pounds!

Yeah, he is a little arrogant. His son is pretty much the same way. What can I say, like father, like son.

Hard to believe, but yes he is an instructor. I saw him compete in forms in the late 80's and early 90's when he used to compete against my old instructor. He can move for a big guy and well too.

I just wish he would get off of his ego trip and come back down to earth with all of us.

[1bad65]

Yeah, he is a little arrogant. His son is pretty much the same way. What can I say, like father, like son.

Was his son wearing a blue gi and competed in the point sparring?

[masherdong]

Was his son wearing a blue gi and competed in the point sparring?

Yes. He also had white ear phones too.

[1bad65]

Yes. He also had white ear phones too.

He oozed arrogance. Like you said, it must run in the family.

[masherdong]

He oozed arrogance. Like you said, it must run in the family.


Yes, I suppose so.