The latest Wing Chun clips online

[LoneTiger108]

http://uk.youtube.com/results?search_query=wing+chun&search_sort=video_date_uploaded

http://uk.youtube.com/results?search_query=ving+tsun&search_sort=video_date_uploaded

Just an idea. :rolleyes:

I personally liked this new addition
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jr8DvrAMiY

Enjoy :D

[couch]

:25 of the last vid is the best...

[sanjuro_ronin]

Old school WC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvK1pfyKtwg

[Phil Redmond]

On the link below there is a clip entitled Lei Tai Champs. This was their first fight and they took first and second place. You won't see many straight punches to the cage masks. We trained our fighters to use WC round punches to the side of the headgear instead of straight punches to the cage. We decided to train the guys to close the line with a bong sau round punch close after hearing from people experienced in Lei Tai fights that strikes to the side of the headgear is better for knockouts.
http://www.wingchunkwoon.com/clips.asp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0dQGkPaoKA
Some of the training before the fight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyQH4M550M0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZDkPpWYYoI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7NCvZYiDQw
Now I know that there will be criticisms on how we do things and I understand that there will be. Criticism of other schools seem to be inherent in the martial arts world and especially in WC. We welcome anyone to come by the Mt. Laurel, NJ school if they have anything to offer with regards to full contact competitions. We are always willing to learn and share.
People will be able to watch our TWC classes for free by clicking on the streaming martialarts thumbnail here:
http://www.wingchunkwoon.com/links.asp
The class schedule can be found here:
http://www.traditionalwingchun.com/classes.php?schedule
The classes will be archived for a about two weeks so if you miss a class you can view it at your leisure.

[HardWork8]

http://uk.youtube.com/results?search_query=wing+chun&search_sort=video_date_uploaded

http://uk.youtube.com/results?search_query=ving+tsun&search_sort=video_date_uploaded

Just an idea. :rolleyes:

I personally liked this new addition
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jr8DvrAMiY

Enjoy :D

Thanks for the clips, eventhough I need to take some "time off" to see them all, but then I don't see too many better reasons to take a break.;)

By the way, the last clip was good and a few of the techniques looked, dare I say, rather "Shaolinish". It is amazing how a relatively small style (I am talking about techniques/etc. and not popularity) can encompass so much variety [as long as it falls within the art's concepts and principles, that is].

Of course, the fact that its concept based elements gives it room for variety.

PS. Did I see one of the exponents turn his back on his training partner on 0.29?

[sanjuro_ronin]

On the link below there is a clip entitled Lei Tai Champs. This was their first fight and they took first and second place. You won't see many straight punches to the cage masks. We trained our fighters to use WC round punches to the side of the headgear instead of straight punches to the cage. We decided to train the guys to close the line with a bong sau round punch close after hearing from people experienced in Lei Tai fights that strikes to the side of the headgear is better for knockouts.
http://www.wingchunkwoon.com/clips.asp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0dQGkPaoKA
Some of the training before the fight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyQH4M550M0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZDkPpWYYoI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7NCvZYiDQw
Now I know that there will be criticisms on how we do things and I understand that there will be. Criticism of other schools seem to be inherent in the martial arts world and especially in WC. We welcome anyone to come by the Mt. Laurel, NJ school if they have anything to offer with regards to full contact competitions. We are always willing to learn and share.
People will be able to watch our TWC classes for free by clicking on the streaming martialarts thumbnail here:
http://www.wingchunkwoon.com/links.asp
The class schedule can be found here:
http://www.traditionalwingchun.com/classes.php?schedule
The classes will be archived for a about two weeks so if you miss a class you can view it at your leisure.

Nice clips Phil, always hated that kind of head gear, though thatis funny coming from someone that fought with the Daidojuku one in a few matches, LOL !
I rarely see "clean" WC in full contact matches, even Alan's guys and while some may argue this and that, fact is, the rule set in a match tends to dictate the way it will look, you have to fight it a certain way to get the points to win.
That said, how expereinced were the guys in the clips?

[Phil Redmond]

Nice clips Phil, always hated that kind of head gear, though thatis funny coming from someone that fought with the Daidojuku one in a few matches, LOL !
I rarely see "clean" WC in full contact matches, even Alan's guys and while some may argue this and that, fact is, the rule set in a match tends to dictate the way it will look, you have to fight it a certain way to get the points to win.
That said, how expereinced were the guys in the clips?
One was a blue sash and the other may have been brown. http://www.wingchunkwoon.com/grading.asp
It was their first full contact event outside of the school. We also have a few more Lei Tai champs at our school. I may post some of their wins as well. You're so right. The rules of the event dictate how you need to train and fight. I remember being in the ready room ith fighters from all over the world. The Japanese Sanda/Lei Tai fighters had battered looking shins like they'd done some serious shin training. They were throwing really hard round kick at each other to warm up before they were to be called out. They looked impressive. Our guys turned toward the wall and did SLT.
I noticed the confused look on the Japanese teams faces. They must have wondered what the heck they were doing. They had an air of arrogance about them. When Joe was about to get on the Lei Tai platform I said something to him that I won't repeat here . . lol
Well, our blue sash Joe Marrero knocked out the Japanese Sanda guy. Since he had to go to the hospital to get checked out I gave Joe the name "hospital punch". The Japanese guy was alright and came back to get his 4th place medal.

[couch]

Phil,

My favourite clip is the training one where they are doing lunges with people on their backs AND the truck push. CLASSIC!

[LoneTiger108]

By the way, the last clip was good and a few of the techniques looked, dare I say, rather "Shaolinish"...

PS. Did I see one of the exponents turn his back on his training partner on 0.29?

Good old Vietnamese Wing Chun eh!

I'd lay money on these guys being more 'Shaolin' as their heritage may not have even touched Ip Man, similar to some mainland styles. And yes, sometimes the back is turned, all in context I might add, especially when training 'plum flower' stepping.

What about this one? Look out for the stance 'training'
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qCjVkhnx10c

[LoneTiger108]

Old school WC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvK1pfyKtwg

I remember seeing this one a while ago! Pretty 'fierce' if you ask me, but standard for Leung Tings guys imo.

I liked Phils clips too, but the army training dips were too much!! (only joking) We used to push our guys to their limits, especially when completing circuits. There's nothing better than that 'glow' of sweat eh?! Must say though Phil, that's one helluva grading structure!

Keep the clips coming...

[sanjuro_ronin]

Good old Vietnamese Wing Chun eh!

I'd lay money on these guys being more 'Shaolin' as their heritage may not have even touched Ip Man, similar to some mainland styles. And yes, sometimes the back is turned, all in context I might add, especially when training 'plum flower' stepping.

What about this one? Look out for the stance 'training'
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qCjVkhnx10c

I see some Gu lo WC in there and some stuff that LT's Wing Tsun does too.

[LoneTiger108]

I see some Gu lo WC in there and some stuff that LT's Wing Tsun does too.

Ah! But that would be telling us that LT had 'other connections', as he's always suggested, which can't be right, can it? ;) I believe Leung Sheung was a very accomplished practitioner.

FME Some of these schools represent what I like to call the 'missing link' :D Personally I feel that Lee Shing Wing Chun also falls into this category, but I would do wouldn't I?

Only last night I was viewing some footage from The Academy in 2004 and there we were, practising certain drills that look exactly like some of these Viet examples. Thing is, I had never seen this type of Wing Chun anywhere else until late last year!

My mind now is hoping that there are more people out there with similarities like this. I don't think these guys practice the three forms either, and I know most Gulao (Kulo) branches specialize in 12 sets rather than three forms too.

Now, what other clips are there today? Gems like this...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=l5A4bQ7TydI

[sanjuro_ronin]

Ah! But that would be telling us that LT had 'other connections', as he's always suggested, which can't be right, can it? ;) I believe Leung Sheung was a very accomplished practitioner.

FME Some of these schools represent what I like to call the 'missing link' :D Personally I feel that Lee Shing Wing Chun also falls into this category, but I would do wouldn't I?

Only last night I was viewing some footage from The Academy in 2004 and there we were, practising certain drills that look exactly like some of these Viet examples. Thing is, I had never seen this type of Wing Chun anywhere else until late last year!

My mind now is hoping that there are more people out there with similarities like this. I don't think these guys practice the three forms either, and I know most Gulao (Kulo) branches specialize in 12 sets rather than three forms too.

Now, what other clips are there today? Gems like this...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=l5A4bQ7TydI

Gulao has branches that do 12 , 22 and 40 points.

No WC system stands alone, as much as die-hard WC nutriders would like it to be so, no system is an island.
And that wooden dummy clip sucked :p

[LoneTiger108]

And that wooden dummy clip sucked :p

It was a good effort! :eek:

Someone might want to point out the importance of 'personal geometrics' first though!

I am familiar with the 12, 22 & 40 point systems (well, from what I've researched online!) and they all seem to be typical 'loose hand' (Sansau) techs from Leung Jan. Even we practice a (type of) 40 point system at The Academy prior to any forms, but I have to add here that they are 'written'.

Ofcourse, beginners like to learn numbers first as the language is just a mystery.

Is this Kulo Wing Chun??? 'Upper Arm Trapping'
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xBMBlczTxrE

[LSWCTN1]

Thanks for the clips, eventhough I need to take some "time off" to see them all, but then I don't see too many better reasons to take a break.;)

By the way, the last clip was good and a few of the techniques looked, dare I say, rather "Shaolinish". It is amazing how a relatively small style (I am talking about techniques/etc. and not popularity) can encompass so much variety [as long as it falls within the art's concepts and principles, that is].

Of course, the fact that its concept based elements gives it room for variety.

PS. Did I see one of the exponents turn his back on his training partner on 0.29?

hi HW8,

would i be right in saying that your lineage looks simmilar to this?

the reason i ask is that i know you trace yourselves back to Fung Sui Ching, and your SiGung also practised shaolin arts

any way - i liked the video... interesting take on wing chun

[Liddel]

Is this Kulo Wing Chun??? 'Upper Arm Trapping'
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xBMBlczTxrE

This suff is beyond me... at 21 ish secs hes not using his Pak Sau side elbow to take the opponents space so of course the opponent can hit him with the free arm.

At 29 ish secs his Pak has an inferior direction with regard to cutting off the opponents ability to follow with an elbow.

So each action fails (as he agrees in the vid)..why ? IMO because of his elbow behaviour. BUT....

When he offers a better application the elbow behaviour changes LOL to that of which he should have used in the original examples at the top of the clip. All be it in a differnt way but that perplexes me...LOL not the first time :)

Also, IMO hes not trapping anything. IMO a trap by very definition TRAPS...leaving an opponent with very limited options of movement ie no space and in a vt sence no elbow space !
What he offers as a correct way of trapping is cutting an angle to limit his opponent.

What do you think ? am i alone here....?
Dont mean to sound scathing of this lineage but the actual theory and application shown is worth discussing IMO.

DREW

[HardWork8]

hi HW8,

would i be right in saying that your lineage looks simmilar to this?

the reason i ask is that i know you trace yourselves back to Fung Sui Ching, and your SiGung also practised shaolin arts

any way - i liked the video... interesting take on wing chun

To be honest it doesn't really look that similar, however I found the clip interesting. The wide horse training in our school does not include receiving strikes. One is supposed to keep the breathing deep and relaxed and focus for as long as possible.

Obviously there were techniques that correlate with most if not all Wing Chun branches but there seemed to also be many differences. Of course, that was just a short clip and I would have liked to have seen their approach to the internal and Iron Palm, among other things.

SiGung is a master of various Shaolin arts but during his time in Paris he only taught Siu Lam Wing Chun. So what you saw in the seminar (I believe that you were there) would have been purely Wing Chun with perhaps some cross references to Shaolin which my sifu has experience of.

However, I will stress that during the classes only Siu Lam Wing Chun is taught.:)

[CFT]

Is this Kulo Wing Chun??? 'Upper Arm Trapping'
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xBMBlczTxrEHe is a Taiji guy who visited Gulao/Kulo, so it is no surprise he does things differently even if it is inspired by Gulao Wing Chun.

[cjurakpt]

Is this Kulo Wing Chun??? 'Upper Arm Trapping'
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xBMBlczTxrE

actually, that's Imperialtaichi - he posted the clip about a week ago in the taiji forum (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=888451&postcount=115), where he mentions it looks very WC-like, but it seems like he is coming from a taiji perspective...

[anerlich]

Risking redundancy I know, but that's taiji not WC.

The dummy one did not impress, there was no body unity in those strikes, and not much speed, power or anything else to make up for the lack of fundamental structure.

Phil's guys and Sanjuro's WT clip were impressive.

[LoneTiger108]

He is a Taiji guy who visited Gulao/Kulo, so it is no surprise he does things differently even if it is inspired by Gulao Wing Chun.

That is what I thought, the clip title should reflect this 'inspired by' attitude imo as there are many Gulao practitioners that offer far more meaningful drills than the ones shown in this clip.

So, what's the latest??

Jordan Wing Chun?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aAduLaqIWe8

[sanjuro_ronin]

That is what I thought, the clip title should reflect this 'inspired by' attitude imo as there are many Gulao practitioners that offer far more meaningful drills than the ones shown in this clip.

So, what's the latest??

Jordan Wing Chun?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=aAduLaqIWe8

What? no defense VS a grenade?
BAH !

[sanjuro_ronin]

This suff is beyond me... at 21 ish secs hes not using his Pak Sau side elbow to take the opponents space so of course the opponent can hit him with the free arm.

At 29 ish secs his Pak has an inferior direction with regard to cutting off the opponents ability to follow with an elbow.

So each action fails (as he agrees in the vid)..why ? IMO because of his elbow behaviour. BUT....

When he offers a better application the elbow behaviour changes LOL to that of which he should have used in the original examples at the top of the clip. All be it in a differnt way but that perplexes me...LOL not the first time :)

Also, IMO hes not trapping anything. IMO a trap by very definition TRAPS...leaving an opponent with very limited options of movement ie no space and in a vt sence no elbow space !
What he offers as a correct way of trapping is cutting an angle to limit his opponent.

What do you think ? am i alone here....?
Dont mean to sound scathing of this lineage but the actual theory and application shown is worth discussing IMO.

DREW

It brings up the issue many people have with trapping, typically those that fight VS non-WC people, and that is the moment you try to bridge to trap you are getting pasted with the opponents other hand.
To say that you elbow should be a an certain angle to counter that is typically irrelevant because, as any non-WC person will tell you, the counter punch happens as you move into the "trap".
Now, the more "correct" trap should be done off the centerline (gasp) to angle out and avoid the counter.
But how can that be? isn't WC a centerline based system?
Yes, but you are still on the centerline, YOUR centerline...
;)

[sanjuro_ronin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm2mQ4Mcoic


Crappy WC VS crappy San shou

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBjRvUqyZSQ

[couch]

But how can that be? isn't WC a centerline based system?
Yes, but you are still on the centerline, YOUR centerline...
;)

*Gary Lam chimes in with his Chinese accent:* Make him not facing you.

:)

Ya darn rights I'm angling off instead of standing there like a statue showing off my superior Chun! And times better spent hitting, anyways.

:)

[LoneTiger108]

The latest Ip Man movie clip

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfB4shJWZI

Any thoughts?

[Liddel]

It brings up the issue many people have with trapping, typically those that fight VS non-WC people, and that is the moment you try to bridge to trap you are getting pasted with the opponents other hand.
To say that you elbow should be a an certain angle to counter that is typically irrelevant because, as any non-WC person will tell you, the counter punch happens as you move into the "trap".

Fair call Ronin, but i would add that timing is the deciding factor. Based on what you said i would offer the idea that the Pak would be used at different times to avoidte counter punch. I.e as an interupted action , as the opponent has already commited to an action to help your own timing etc

The two important timings IME are when you use it aginst the opponent, typically against my TKB sparring partners i cant initiate the pak as a first action like in the vid of the very reason you put foward.
But even more important - the timing between the Pak and your follow up punch....many have a one two timing which IMO is asking for trouble... you have to be quicker than that, practically simultaneous...then its effective IMO.

My sparring partners arent proffesionals though so i realise it has its place ;)

DREW

[Mr Punch]

Does nobody else think Sanjuro's 'old skool' vid is totally crap?

[anerlich]

I though the guy in Sanjuro's clip showed good occupation of his opponent's space and continuous aggressive attack.

It would have been better if his partners in the demo weren't quite as passive and accommodating.

[Phil Redmond]

. . . .
But how can that be? isn't WC a centerline based system?
Yes, but you are still on the centerline, YOUR centerline...
;)
TWC uses both centerline and central line.

[bakxierboxer]

Does nobody else think Sanjuro's 'old skool' vid is totally crap?

It was a "demo"........

[sanjuro_ronin]

I though the guy in Sanjuro's clip showed good occupation of his opponent's space and continuous aggressive attack.

It would have been better if his partners in the demo weren't quite as passive and accommodating.

Agreed and for the record I have never been a fan of beating on your demo partners.
Well...not all of them anyways.

[sanjuro_ronin]

TWC uses both centerline and central line.

That's because you have the REAL WING CHUN (TM).
:D

[HardWork8]

TWC uses both centerline and central line.

I thought that all Wing Chun used those.:confused:

[Phil Redmond]

That's because you have the REAL WING CHUN (TM).
:D
Hey, don't even go down that dreaded path . . . :eek:
REAL is relative. :cool:

[Phil Redmond]

I thought that all Wing Chun used those.:confused:
I would hope so. :)

[sanjuro_ronin]

Hey, don't even go down that dreaded path . . . :eek:
REAL is relative. :cool:

Oh, I'll go there Mister, I'll go there and take you with me kicking and screaming !!
:D

[HardWork8]

Oh, I'll go there Mister, I'll go there and take you with me kicking and screaming !!
:D

The "real" question is wether you know where you are headed?

[Steeeve]

Well

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/469685/2566235

Yuen kay san siu lim tau:D

[Toby]

In the dummy clip I want to know what he hopes to achieve with the right hand cutting tan sau he keeps doing (from outside the arm, e.g. at ~10s, 16s, 27s and more). Of all the moves he does that one sticks out to me as the most useless and dangerous and he keeps repeating it.

[LoneTiger108]

In the dummy clip...

What about this clip?
Shaolin Wing Chun Nam Anh Kung Fu - Wooden Dummy 108 Moves
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xcU0UExIxHs&feature=related

Latest Clips
http://uk.youtube.com/results?search_query=wing+chun&search_sort=video_date_uploaded

[sanjuro_ronin]

What about this clip?
Shaolin Wing Chun Nam Anh Kung Fu - Wooden Dummy 108 Moves
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xcU0UE...eature=related

Bah, that's puny, you should see mine.
:D

[LoneTiger108]

EBMAS Wing Tzun Live - Budo Gala Stuttgart
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9G0EoS4Xtio

[sanjuro_ronin]

If those EBMAS guys would compete as much as the demo maybe those demos would mean something...

[couch]

If those EBMAS guys would compete as much as the demo maybe those demos would mean something...

Note to self: Shirtless demos at large arenas yield lots of students who know as little about martial arts as possible. To break it down, Shirtless + Kung-Fu + Demo = $$$

:cool:

[sanjuro_ronin]

Note to self: Shirtless demos at large arenas yield lots of students who know as little about martial arts as possible. To break it down, Shirtless + Kung-Fu + Demo = $$$

:cool:

Yep, pretty much.

[Toby]

EBMAS Wing Tzun Live - Budo Gala Stuttgart
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9G0EoS4Xtio:eek: Holy shit these guys are cool, and by cool I mean totally sweet. I've gotta wonder, some of those guys must learn acrobatics, like the protagonist from 1:45. I wonder if EBMAS teaches that? I also wonder how many of you guys use YGKYM as a fighting stance? :confused:

[couch]

Yep, pretty much.

For me, I'm all for making some dough doing something you love. But you gotta keep it real. I have to teach (I have morals) tha r3al sk!llz to people and a lot of people don't like that. They want to live in fantasy land and play volleyball in the middle of a TKD class. Or take their shirts off and demo back flips.

[sanjuro_ronin]

For me, I'm all for making some dough doing something you love. But you gotta keep it real. I have to teach (I have morals) tha r3al sk!llz to people and a lot of people don't like that. They want to live in fantasy land and play volleyball in the middle of a TKD class. Or take their shirts off and demo back flips.

Reality is subjective.
The reality is that the majority will probably never use H2H skills in a fight, even less will have to use them VS a trained fighter and the majority of "serious attacks" involve weapons.
To most people, the MA is a pass time, a hobby, a sport to do for fun and fitness.
Self protection MAY be in the back of their minds but since the vast majority have never truly faced a violent attack, they are happy with whatever crap they may be fed.

[Xiao3 Meng4]

It's funny that so many MAs refer to accessing the "lizard mind" or "reptile mind" as a method of catalyzing primal fighting instincts. The "reptile mind" is vastly different from the mammalian one: a reptile's primal survival dynamic is "Freeze or Flee," whereas a mammal's is "fight or flight."

Teaching adpative responses which are natural to humans should fall under mammalian responses, not lizard ones. Not only that, but most schools only teach one half of the dynamic, and 9 times out of 10 it ain't the "flee/flight" response.

Looking at it from an aliveness vs. mimicry perspective, schools which teach set, choregraphed patterns and techniques are teaching a static, "frozen" dynamic... so I guess they remain true to at least one half of the "reptile mind..." :rolleyes:

If only more people would teach their students to properly identify and avoid threats... oh wait, that's not Badass enough. :p

It's way more badass to pretend to be a reptile and learn half of reality.

[chusauli]

How about No Mind?

No mind = no self = no problems.

LOL!

Love that "not badass" enough! :)

[sanjuro_ronin]

It's funny that so many MAs refer to accessing the "lizard mind" or "reptile mind" as a method of catalyzing primal fighting instincts. The "reptile mind" is vastly different from the mammalian one: a reptile's primal survival dynamic is "Freeze or Flee," whereas a mammal's is "fight or flight."

Teaching adpative responses which are natural to humans should fall under mammalian responses, not lizard ones. Not only that, but most schools only teach one half of the dynamic, and 9 times out of 10 it ain't the "flee/flight" response.

Looking at it from an aliveness vs. mimicry perspective, schools which teach set, choregraphed patterns and techniques are teaching a static, "frozen" dynamic... so I guess they remain true to at least one half of the "reptile mind..." :rolleyes:

If only more people would teach their students to properly identify and avoid threats... oh wait, that's not Badass enough. :p

It's way more badass to pretend to be a reptile and learn half of reality.

I always teach to flow with the force....
:D

I do agree that, if one is going to teach higher mental aptitudes that we should focus on Mammilian/human ones, we are after all, the top of the food chain ;)
As for identifying threads and acting accordingly ie: awareness, I think that many "self defense" teachers don't do that because they are either unaware of its importance or they don't wanna come off as "paranoid" or making others "paranoid".

One thing though, I don't think reptians are "flight or freeze" types, at least not the ones I have seen.
The tend to be either flight or attack with no remorse type, no notion of "limits", of course we are talking about PREDATORY reptiles just like we are referring to PREDATORY mammals.

[Xiao3 Meng4]

I always teach to flow with the force....
:D

I do agree that, if one is going to teach higher mental aptitudes that we should focus on Mammilian/human ones, we are after all, the top of the food chain ;)
As for identifying threads and acting accordingly ie: awareness, I think that many "self defense" teachers don't do that because they are either unaware of its importance or they don't wanna come off as "paranoid" or making others "paranoid".

One thing though, I don't think reptians are "flight or freeze" types, at least not the ones I have seen.
The tend to be either flight or attack with no remorse type, no notion of "limits", of course we are talking about PREDATORY reptiles just like we are referring to PREDATORY mammals.

In the sense of predation, you have a point. I understand that the imagery put forward is the whole "cold blooded" idea... I'm a mammal, though, and while Predation and self-preservation strategies tend to be quite different, a (predatory) mammal's predatory instincts are crazy good. Thanks for the thought, though. It's given me more to chew on.

I don't think teaching awareness, avoidance, and diffusion needs to instill paranoia, though... I think of it more as the maintenance of low stress levels, ie not get yourself into dangerous, high risk or stressful situations by having a certain level of awareness of them ahead of time. Paranoia to me conjures up images of heightened stress levels. It's all about relaxing, no? :)

[sanjuro_ronin]

In the sense of predation, you have a point. I understand that the imagery put forward is the whole "cold blooded" idea... I'm a mammal, though, and while Predation and self-preservation strategies tend to be quite different, a (predatory) mammal's predatory instincts are crazy good. Thanks for the thought, though. It's given me more to chew on.

I don't think teaching awareness, avoidance, and diffusion needs to instill paranoia, though... I think of it more as the maintenance of low stress levels, ie not get yourself into dangerous, high risk or stressful situations by having a certain level of awareness of them ahead of time. Paranoia to me conjures up images of heightened stress levels. It's all about relaxing, no? :)

I can speak from personal experience that many people DON'T wanna know all the dangers that surrond them, they prefer "blissful ignorance".
Of course those people do NOT belong in the MA anyways, but the paradox is that the MA is full of them.

[Xiao3 Meng4]

aah, blissful ignorance... the lubricant of choice for dishonest instructors.

[LoneTiger108]

Wing Chun Sparring & Fighting DVD trailer
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=e6mR1KUnGfE

Finally, a new clip from the UK! :D

[sanjuro_ronin]

Wing Chun Sparring & Fighting DVD trailer
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=e6mR1KUnGfE

Finally, a new clip from the UK! :D

Nice clip, where was the fighting? ;)

[LoneTiger108]

Nice clip, where was the fighting? ;)

Ah! You'll have to ask the creators that one!

Listen, I started the thread to show the 'latest' not the 'best' or the most 'brutal'.

Please, Sanjuro, show me your latest clip of good Wing Chun fighting! ;)

[sanjuro_ronin]

Ah! You'll have to ask the creators that one!

Listen, I started the thread to show the 'latest' not the 'best' or the most 'brutal'.

Please, Sanjuro, show me your latest clip of good Wing Chun fighting! ;)

As soon as I can find one !
LOL !

[LoneTiger108]

As soon as I can find one !
LOL !

I can't wait THAT long :D

U know what I mean eh? :rolleyes:

[sanjuro_ronin]

I can't wait THAT long :D

U know what I mean eh? :rolleyes:

On a serious note, it does "bother" me how hard it is to fine a clip of some WC in an actual fight, sport or otherwise.
Even harder to find WC that LOOKS like WC in an actual fight.

[LoneTiger108]

On a serious note, it does "bother" me how hard it is to fine a clip of some WC in an actual fight, sport or otherwise.
Even harder to find WC that LOOKS like WC in an actual fight.

Maybe that's because, deep down, we're all great gentlemen at heart ;)

Either that or nobody is looking properly at the latest fighters. Didn't a commentator mention Silvas Wing Chun trapping???!!! :confused: Looked like a lot of crane circling the snake to me...

http://mmavideopost.com/ufc/anderson-silva-patrick-cote-ufc-90-video/

[sanjuro_ronin]

Maybe that's because, deep down, we're all great gentlemen at heart ;)

Either that or nobody is looking properly at the latest fighters. Didn't a commentator mention Silvas Wing Chun trapping???!!! :confused: Looked like a lot of crane circling the snake to me...

http://mmavideopost.com/ufc/anderson-silva-patrick-cote-ufc-90-video/

Does/Did Sliva do/train WC ??

[Ultimatewingchun]

Or maybe it's hard to find the WC "look" in a real fight because the "look" only predominates against other WC that expects every fight or spar to emphasize arm-to-arm contact as part of basically every exchange - and that it be done from very close range.

Without a somewhat different "look" at any range other than very close quarters (and sometimes even including close quarters against a good hook and uppercut puncher whose arms won't engage before hitting a target) - WC has problems...

hence a "more-of-a-boxing-look" (or a kickboxing look) is always the criticism when watching a WC fight or a realistic spar against a skilled opponent or partner.

WC is basically a one dimensional art, and until people fully understand that, the art is going nowhere in 2008 and beyond, imo.

[hunt1]

While I understand your point Victor and don't completely disagree I don't see it the same way. The problem is in the way wing chun is trained and practiced by the majority out there. It is not a problem with wing chun.

If someone has to fight using a boxing approach than they should not waste any more time with wing chun. if a wing chun teacher spends time on chi sao forms etc but then for application teaches a boxing or MT approach then the student should leave the teacher if his desire is to be able to apply his wing chun against trained fighters from other method's. Wing Chun works just fine against any other stand up method if someone has taken the time to learn how to apply it. The fault is with the teachers, those that have believed all the myths and fallen for demo's as if they were real and never bothered to question or get their butts into a boxing club or these days an MMA gym and learn how to apply wing chun.

[Wu Wei Wu]

"WC is basically a one dimensional art... "

Whose WC is one dimensional? Is this in your experience? If so, what are you failing to do that would restrict your WC to one dimension?

Any martial art can be multi-dimensional provided the underlying methods of training are effective. For instance, if a WC man uses the same methodology of training that a good MMA uses, then the WC man should have a functional approach to fighting. For example, if a WC man spends considerable time cross training, doing pad work and sparring, then there shouldn't be an excuse as to its (in)effectiveness.

For me the issue is one of training method(s) only.

Suki Gosal

[Ultimatewingchun]

"If someone has to fight using a boxing approach than they should not waste any more time with wing chun."

***USING a boxing (or kickboxing) approach to attain close quarters is an excellent segway to wing chun's preferred range (distance).

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"If a wing chun teacher spends time on chi sao forms etc. but then for application teaches a boxing or MT approach then the student should leave the teacher... if his desire is to be able to apply his wing chun against trained fighters from other method's."

***UNLESS of course the chi sao is used to tighten up one's wing chun skills at the appropriate distance.

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"(should leave the teacher)...if his desire is to be able to apply his wing chun against trained fighters from other method's."

***SHOW ME the beef on this point, and in particular against a boxer, kickboxer, or Thai boxer type whose height and reach are at least equal to the WC guy - and especially if he's taller and with a longer reach...with hooks and uppercuts thrown with skill...and against the grappler with a good close (especially an mma type who punches into clinch and takedown range).

I want to see a vid of this....without using longer range punches and kicks as found in the arts I just mentioned - and without any grappling skills (or at the very least having some good anti takedown, ie.- sprawl skills).

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"Wing Chun works just fine against any other stand up method if someone has taken the time to learn how to apply it."

***HAVE taken the time - and have worked out (sparred) against guys with skills long enough to know that the longer range approach I've been talking about works wonders for getting to wing chun close quarter range without eating big hooks, rear crosses and roundhouse kicks.

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"The fault is with the teachers, those that have believed all the myths and fallen for demo's as if they were real and never bothered to question or get their butts into a boxing club or these days an MMA gym and learn how to apply wing chun."

***NOW this I have no argument with. :cool:

[LoneTiger108]

Here's a clip I uploaded recently:

Wing Chun, BJJ & Pencak Silat Rehearsals for SENi05
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ryoIHkk5vM8

The latest clips online @ Youtube
http://uk.youtube.com/results?search_query=wing+chun&search_sort=video_date_uploaded

Enjoy :D

[bennyvt]

vt has a way of getting in without getting hit. Its called a step with your hands up. I have done this with mauy tai, Tkd, boxers and shootfighters. It works fine yes i found it hard at the start. New thing called practice worked well.

[RGVWingChun]

what do you all think of this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS1vpnvVt80

Moses

[bakxierboxer]

what do you all think of this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS1vpnvVt80

Moses

Kinda long, but generally interesting.
Change the color of the text, the yellow was hard for me to read.