Chan Heung/Tang Fung connection?

[LaterthanNever]

I read somewhere recently that Chan Heung..founder of CLF, studied Hung Ga for a time..and that Tang Fung ..founder of the TF lineage Hung Kuen..studied CLF?

Can anyone comment? Thanks.

[TenTigers]

I had heard this as well. It depends who you talk to. Some have alluded to it, some outright say it, others outright deny it. Nonetheless, there are many similarities in these related styles. They both came from Nam Siu-Lum, at about the same time, both heavily involved in "Fan Ching,Fuk Ming," both from the same areas geographically, both heavily influenced by Wong Yun-Lum's Hop-Ga/Lama.
There have been many Hung-Ga people who also studied CLF and visa-versa.
Some schools, like Buck Sum Kong's teach both.

[hskwarrior]

It may be jow kum, or i could be wrong, but chan ngau sing was a well known hung gar master......

[ngokfei]

a statement is going around that.

Sifu Yee Chi Wai's father was a student of a CLF teacher who also happened to be good friends of Tang Fung.

So the suggestion is that Sifu Yee's father knew a combo of CLF & Hung Gar that he learned from his teacher. The Hung Gar coming in from his teachers friendship with Tang Fung.

And also that the 9 special/poison fist set is made up of some key CLF principles that Tang Fung had learned.

who really knows if any of this is true without evidence or corroboration from the parties metioned.

[banditshaw]

There have been many Hung-Ga people who also studied CLF and visa-versa.
Some schools, like Buck Sum Kong's teach both.

Yep, our CLF as many know comes from LKH. We only learn the two handsets. Siu Mui Fa Kuen and Sap Ji Kau Da.
We do quite a few weapon sets as well.

It's a good mix. I like it.

[banditshaw]

Also I've heard that Master Lau Jaam knew some CLF.
I think Lau Kar Bo here could maybe confirm that.

[Laukarbo]

Also I've heard that Master Lau Jaam knew some CLF.
I think Lau Kar Bo here could maybe confirm that.

Yes thats true,he learned some CLF from his uncle Lau Bo Sing however if you consider that Lau Jaam was 16 when he came to HK and shortly after became a disciple of Lam Sai Wing it cant be that much of CLF he knew...

[Eddie]

these old masters all shared allot of things back in the past. CLF, TSPG, HG.... Most of these old masters didnt really care as some people do today.

[TenTigers]

good point, Eddie. Many Masters exchanged with each other on a regular basis. If they liked a certain technique or move, they simply brought it into their training.
Only now, are we trying to be more Traditional than the traditions, more Chinese than the Chinese. One of the reasons TCMA is getting smaller and smaller.
TCMA is (was?) the original MMA. Rememeber?

[Nebuchadnezzar]

a statement is going around that.

Sifu Yee Chi Wai's father was a student of a CLF teacher who also happened to be good friends of Tang Fung.

So the suggestion is that Sifu Yee's father knew a combo of CLF & Hung Gar that he learned from his teacher. The Hung Gar coming in from his teachers friendship with Tang Fung.

And also that the 9 special/poison fist set is made up of some key CLF principles that Tang Fung had learned.

who really knows if any of this is true without evidence or corroboration from the parties metioned.

According to his official bio on the Yee's Hung Ga website, http://yeeshungga.com/tradition/lineage/yeechiwai.html he began training with his father at six, but his formal Hung Ga training came from Grandmaster Yuen Ling who was Tang Fong's student.

[ngokfei]

uh, I was talking about his father.

[chusauli]

Having remembered the elder Yee Sigung (Frank Yee's father), I remember him as a practitioner of Lam Sai Wing Hung Ga, and not Choy Lay Fut.

Also, the Gou Duk Sao set is one from Tang Fung system, not made from Choy Lay Fut. Although the set is a bit flowery, it is not from CLF. (And please, I think CLF is great! Ping Kuen and Sup Ji Kou Da are still favorites of mine!) It is made from Hung Ga fists - particularly excerpts from Fu Hoc and 5 animal sets.

Hope this helps.

[TenTigers]

Also, the Gou Duk Sao set is one from Tang Fung system, not made from Choy Lay Fut. Although the set is a bit flowery, it is not from CLF. (And please, I think CLF is great! Ping Kuen and Sup Ji Kou Da are still favorites of mine!) It is made from Hung Ga fists - particularly excerpts from Fu Hoc and 5 animal sets.

Hope this helps.

we jokingly refer to it as "Hung-Ga's Greatest Hits!";)

[chusauli]

LOL! That's a good name.

I think Chan Heung or one of Chan Heung's teachers studied Hung Kuen for sure. The similarities are right in front of you. In CLF, the hands lead the body more; whereas in Hung Ga, the body leads the hands more.

Looking at Chi Ji Wu Dip Jeung (Zig zag Butterfly palm) in both systems, you can see the similarilty and core body signatures.

Other moves like Suei Lou Pao and Gwa Cup show a remarkable similarity, but again the signature differences.

CLF is very mobile, Hung Ga is very rooted.

Both are great representations of Nam Kuen.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

uh, I was talking about his father.

Ok, but I was talking about the son, not for your education as I know that you in fact know more about them than I do. :cool:

[htowndragon]

my sifu learned an early version of clf from chan goon baks lineage in addition to ma seks fut ga line back in the day...he says that originally, CLF and hung kuen looked VERY similar.


(remember the opinion of lions roar influence on both lines?)

[LaterthanNever]

What does everyone think of learning both CLF AND Hung Ga?(so as to compliment eachother).

Master Bucksam Kong says both are very similar but CLF is much more agressive.

[TenTigers]

I have a personal theory-CLF was originally a Hung Kuen system.
Hung-Ga forms are both kuen-faht (Fighting techniques) and Gung-Faht (power developmental techniques) in their forms. They are played slower, with emphasis on rooting and one breath, one strike power generation.
But nobody fights like that.
So here comes this young upstart, Chan Heung. He starts playing his Hung-Ga forms, the same way he fights-fast, aggressive, barrages.
His Sifu scolds him saying,"No! You cannot play the forms like that."
Chan argues,"Why not? You should fight the way you train! If I want to develop power, I'll just develop some cool dummies, with weighted arms an' stuff"
"Look, Ah-Chan," an exasperated Sifu said, trying to retain his composure.
"You just can't. It wouldn't be Hung-Ga."
"M'Hai Ngoh-ge Kuen-Faht!" (It's not our method)
"Choy Lei Faht!" (Blast your method!!) the young Chan responded.
"I'll just call it something else!"


-the rest is history (his story)



("Choy!" is a term used to blast away bad luck, demons,gwais, or spells)

[ngokfei]

now that was funny.:D

[taai gihk yahn]

ai-yaaah.....