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mickey
11-12-2008, 09:38 AM
Greetings,

I have been debating myself over getting a cell phone. The two things I do not appreciate about it are the radiation it emits and the fact that your movements can be tracked by it.

What do you use to minimize the EMFs emmitted?


Des anyone know how to remove the tracking device?


Thank you,

mickey

冠木侍
11-13-2008, 11:22 PM
Greetings,

I have been debating myself over getting a cell phone. The two things I do not appreciate about it are the radiation it emits and the fact that your movements can be tracked by it.

What do you use to minimize the EMFs emmitted?


Des anyone know how to remove the tracking device?


Thank you,

mickey

Use a hands free device (wired).

And if you're phone is off, you can't be tracked. :)

GreenCloudCLF
11-14-2008, 05:16 AM
The answer to both is: Stop being paranoid.

Or as a follow-up to being tracked: Don't do anything where you should fear being tracked.

SimonM
11-14-2008, 09:00 AM
Greetings,

I have been debating myself over getting a cell phone. The two things I do not appreciate about it are the radiation it emits and the fact that your movements can be tracked by it.

What do you use to minimize the EMFs emmitted?


Des anyone know how to remove the tracking device?


Thank you,

mickey

The world is surrounded in a giant electromagnetic field. Every electronic device emits EMF.

I am unconcerned... as long as I'm not getting RF burn off the antenna.

Remember that a cell phone is a radio. If it's working it automatically has to emit an electromagnetic field. Don't want to have one originating right next to your brain? Don't own a cell phone.

sanjuro_ronin
11-14-2008, 09:04 AM
I use Carrier Pigeons.

SimonM
11-14-2008, 09:06 AM
Two paper cups and a length of string.

MasterKiller
11-14-2008, 09:08 AM
I force my b1tches to make all my phone calls. Develop some 'hand.'

SimonM
11-14-2008, 09:12 AM
This raises another interesting point: the "tracking device" in question is the phone. It's a radio. It continues to act as a radio until such time as the electricity is switched off. That is how you would be tracked.

If you don't want to be traceable and NEED a phone buy a pay as you go and register it with false address and name information. Pay for your top-up-cards in cash only. Use re-dialer services to call out and tell nobody you don't trust fully your number.

SoCo KungFu
11-14-2008, 09:47 AM
The two things I do not appreciate about it are the radiation it emits and the fact that your movements can be tracked by it.

You are aware you can't so much as walk out your house without being on camera right?

Though with the proper equipment, even if you phone is off it can still be used as a listening device.

But what makes you so important anyone would want to be tapping you?

Its kinda like how people are so embarrassed when they trip in public. Unless you are doing something to attract all the attention....nobody cares!

SimonM
11-14-2008, 09:51 AM
And, again, EM radiation is EVERYWHERE. We LIVE in a massive EM field. If you want to AVOID EM radiation you have to live in a shielded bunker!

冠木侍
11-14-2008, 11:13 AM
Two paper cups and a length of string.

wouldn't tin cans work better? :P

SimonM
11-14-2008, 11:16 AM
Aluminum is toxic!

冠木侍
11-14-2008, 11:21 AM
If you eat it.

I think they would get better reception than paper cups...;)

If the cell phones and aluminum don't kill us, what we put into our bodies will. hehe

SimonM
11-14-2008, 11:22 AM
Well... since we are worrying about our brains soaking up too many radio waves we might as well also worry about DMSO painted on the outside of the aluminum cans being used to absorb aluminum through the skin.

mickey
11-14-2008, 11:29 AM
Okay guys,

I enjoyed the humor and I appreciate the feedback.

What about the safety issues. I have read that there are some products that reduce the emf frequencies. Does anyone use them?

mickey

冠木侍
11-14-2008, 11:29 AM
Doesn't it have low toxicity anyway?

Using some sort of filter or cover that restricts direct contact on the skin. I'm not one for long conversations over the phone anyway. :cool:

Whatever was in the can in the first place, you most likely consumed before using it.
it.

SimonM
11-14-2008, 11:58 AM
Next time I'll remember my tags...

冠木侍
11-18-2008, 12:17 AM
If not sarcasm, what else would it be? :P

SimonM
11-18-2008, 07:32 AM
lead lined bunker will reduce EMF. Unless, that is, you bring a radio into your bunker with you and start transmitting.

GeneChing
01-27-2010, 05:30 PM
A Radio Shack kung fu cell phone ad :rolleyes:
Three Carriers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLlKi1tiqIA)

uki
01-29-2010, 02:43 AM
i wouldn't get a cell phone... we haven't gotten one and we won't... we still have a land line with a 6ft cord. cellphones are up there with the atom bomb as the worst inventions of mankind. :)

Lucas
01-29-2010, 09:52 AM
I use this, it only cost me $2000.00

http://www.vintagetextile.com/images/Jewelry/6727.jpg

BoulderDawg
01-29-2010, 10:10 AM
As I've said before, at least for personal use, land lines will be a thing of the past in no more than 25 years. I haven't had one in over a year. And if I didn't want a cell phone I could get phone service through my computer for $20 a year.

The other day I walked out and someone had left a new phone book on the front step. IT went straight into recycling. Gone are the days when you can look up someones name, address and phone number in some book.

Also, gone are the days of actually answering a phone. When my phone rings if I don't recognize the number I will let it go over to voice mail.

IronWeasel
01-29-2010, 08:46 PM
I use Carrier Pigeons.

But THEY still use cell phones...


http://www.supercoolpets.com/pictures/bird%20cell%20phone-thumb.jpg

taai gihk yahn
01-30-2010, 10:18 AM
i wouldn't get a cell phone... we haven't gotten one and we won't... we still have a land line with a 6ft cord. cellphones are up there with the atom bomb as the worst inventions of mankind. :)

Luddite...
:D

uki
01-30-2010, 11:10 AM
i view a cellphone as just another form of distraction to keep people oblivious...

IronWeasel
01-30-2010, 11:29 AM
i view a cellphone as just another form of distraction to keep people oblivious...



Yes, but we LIKE those!

1. Cell phone

2. Vodka

3. P0rn

4....

(...not really in that order)



(open challenge to Sanjuro Ronin to post a p0rn model holding a cell phone while drinking vodka...)

GeneChing
03-15-2016, 02:03 PM
This is freakin brilliant. I hope it catches on worldwide.


A New Weapon for Battling Cellphones in Theaters: Laser Beams (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/15/arts/international/a-new-weapon-for-battling-cellphones-in-theaters-laser-beams.html?_r=0)
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By AMY QINMARCH 14, 2016

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Ushers aiming lasers at a patron using a cellphone at the National Center for the Performing Arts in Beijing. Credit Gilles Sabrie for The New York Times

BEIJING — Audience members using cellphones bedevil performers and presenters around the world. But in China, theaters and other venues have adopted what they say is an effective — others might say disturbing — solution.

Zap them with a laser beam.

The approach varies, but the idea is the same. During a performance, ushers equipped with laser pointers are stationed above, or on the perimeter of, the audience. When they spot a lighted mobile phone, instead of dashing over to the offender, they pounce with a pointer (usually red or green), aiming it at the glowing screen until the user desists.

Call it laser shaming.

“It’s usually only a small fraction of the audience that we have to deal with,” said Wang Chen, an employee in the theater affairs department at the Shanghai Grand Theater. “They can’t help themselves. So we try to give them a gentle reminder, so they know what they’re doing.”

Xu Chun, 27, who was in the audience for “Carmen” at the National Center for the Performing Arts in Beijing last month, said: “Of course it’s distracting. But seeing lighted-up screens is even more distracting.”

For the uninitiated, the appearance of a blazing colored beam in a darkened theater can be jarring.

“I remember the first time I saw the lasers, it was shocking to see that little red dot in the middle of a performance,” said Joanna C. Lee, a consultant for American symphony orchestras touring China. “Like someone was pointing a gun at the audience.”

Indeed, the narrow shaft of bright light can connote danger. Laser sights are a popular feature on firearms, and there have been numerous incidents in which lasers aimed at ****pits have impaired pilots’ ability to fly safely. (There are more benign uses for a laser pointer, of course, like making presentations and playing with cats.)

But laser pointers have been used for years as disciplinary devices at many of China’s leading performance halls, including the National Center, the Shanghai Oriental Art Center and the Shanghai Grand Theater.

This may be a response to a particularly acute problem here. Audience numbers have surged in recent years, along with the number of new performance spaces. And theatergoers are often noticeably younger than in the United States and Europe, with a corresponding lack of experience with Western-style concert etiquette. The lasers, theater managers say, are part of a larger effort to teach audiences how to behave during live performances.

Are the performers bothered by the use of lasers?

“No, it’s very smart, very fast, very effective,” Giuseppina Piunti, an Italian mezzo soprano, said backstage last month after singing the title role in “Carmen” at the National Center. “They should use the lasers all over the world. I can see the lasers from the stage, but it’s much less distracting than the flash cameras, and the ushers running up and down the aisles.”

The key, said Yang Hongjie, deputy director of the theater affairs department at the National Center, is to make ample use of the pointers early in a performance so that offenders (as well as nearby patrons) know what to expect should they dare to sneak a photo.

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An usher uses a laser beam during a performance at the National Center for the Performing Arts in Beijing. Credit Gilles Sabrie for The New York Times

It helps matters that many big-name venues employ cellphone-jamming technology, so texting and ringtones are rarely problems. The use of such technology is illegal in the United States, except by authorized federal law enforcement.

“In the beginning, it was really bad,” Mr. Yang said of the National Center, which opened in 2007. “People would talk on the phone and take photos all the time during performances.” But he and his colleagues found that sending ushers individually to stop patrons was not only distracting for other spectators but also a problem if the offender was sitting in the middle of a row. So in 2008, the center began training ushers to use lasers.

“It’s gotten better and better over the years,” he said. “We have much less interaction with the audience now, compared to before.”

In the United States, the use of laser pointers is highly regulated. In China, although performing arts associations have issued guidelines, the devices are largely unregulated. It is not uncommon, while walking in Sanlitun, the popular shopping and night-life district in Beijing, to be temporarily blinded by a flash of green light from one of the laser pointers for sale by sidewalk peddlers.

“It’s really only a risk if they hit the eye,” Samuel M. Goldwasser, a laser expert and former professor of electrical engineering at the University of Pennsylvania, said in a telephone interview.

That is why, Mr. Yang said, ushers are specifically trained to aim at patrons from behind, in order to avoid the eyes.

But when their aim is off, the consequences can be unfortunate.

Alison Friedman, director of Ping Pong Productions, a Beijing-based cultural exchange company, recalled being horrified to see laser beams unwittingly shined on the members of the TAO Dance Theater, a Beijing troupe, during a performance at the China Shanghai International Arts Festival last year.

“It’s one thing if it’s a CCTV-style song-and-dance extravaganza with Las Vegas lights and flashing colors,” Ms. Friedman said, referring to China Central Television, the leading state broadcaster. “But if it’s TAO Dance Theater, which is known for being stark, minimalist and clean, then to have red and green lasers accidentally bouncing onto that black-and-white stage is really disruptive.”

There have also been complaints when the lasers are used too much during a performance, as at a concert in Beijing in January featuring the celebrated Chinese pianist Lang Lang. There were so many people trying to sneak a photo of him that at times it seemed as if a laser show had been organized to accompany Mr. Lang’s tender rendition of Tchaikovsky’s “The Seasons.”

As a result, some troupes, like the Royal Shakespeare Company during its China tour last month, have asked performance halls to refrain from using the devices during their appearances.

Yet theater managers here say the lasers are the best solution they have found to a nagging problem. Many say such “uncivilized behavior” will stop only when people improve their suzhi, a Chinese term meaning quality or refinement.

“Hopefully, one day we won’t even need to take the laser pointers out of our pockets,” said Mr. Wang of the Shanghai Grand Theater. “That would be a good day.”