double daggers

[Corwyn]

So I've been scowering the internet far and wide trying to find a higher quality
set of double daggers.

I've found that you can buy all other chinese weapons from total cheapy to very high quality stuff.

Yet there seems to be no options other than these cheapy things

http://www.wle.com//products/w043.html that I can find.

I've tried to look through other sources - like regular knife collections/stores but on the internet it is kind of hard to tell whether they really fit.

Anyone have any source for some appropriate higher quality daggers?

C

[Baqualin]

So I've been scowering the internet far and wide trying to find a higher quality
set of double daggers.

I've found that you can buy all other chinese weapons from total cheapy to very high quality stuff.

Yet there seems to be no options other than these cheapy things

http://www.wle.com//products/w043.html that I can find.

I've tried to look through other sources - like regular knife collections/stores but on the internet it is kind of hard to tell whether they really fit.

Anyone have any source for some appropriate higher quality daggers?

C

Try the Cold Steel Co.

[Corwyn]

yea I've tried all the usual suspects., ZIPPO

[yu shan]

Send Oso a pm and ask him, he is into high quality sharp stuff.

[David Jamieson]

Those ring daggers are basically the same as you'll get anywhere.
If it's a question of quality of steel and all that, then try and find a set from a decent forge.

but that is the shape of them as far as tcma double daggers go.

p.s put a lanyard on em...heh heh.

[GeneChing]

Twin Daggers (http://www.martialartsmart.net/45-071.html)

There are knife shops everywhere. If you want to learn with a live real blade, there's no problem in getting something the same size, more or less. It's hard to find that ring pommel, but most kung fu forms don't make use of that. It's an artifact of traditional style.

[TenTigers]

http://trainingblades.com/index.php?cPath=21&sort=2a&page=2
check out the thrower and the wedge.

[David Jamieson]

http://trainingblades.com/index.php?cPath=21&sort=2a&page=2
check out the thrower and the wedge. tru e nuff. malaysian style throwing knives work too!

[Oso]

look for Cold Steel's True Flight Thrower...inexpensive and well made and nearly identical to the shape of the common chrome double daggers.

[Yao Sing]

look for Cold Steel's True Flight Thrower...inexpensive and well made and nearly identical to the shape of the common chrome double daggers.

Ditto, that's what I use and I got them free with a moderate order. WL Double Dagger set doesn't use the rings anyhow.

Just practice a lot before going 'live' as a dagger in the leg is not a pretty sight (you know the move :-) can anyone say Crazy Frank??? ).

[yu shan]

Yao Sing

I have scars on my body from training the two-person double dagger vs empty hand, remember that one? Of course I had to always do the empty hand side!:rolleyes: One instance at a Chinese New Year Steve sliced my arm up pretty good.

[GLW]

http://www.coldsteel.com/shanghaishadow.html

Cold Steele's Shanghai Shadow looks like one of the daggers. they are sold separately so for a set, it would run $73.98 plus shipping and such...

[SimonM]

shameless bump

[Oso]

http://www.coldsteel.com/shanghaishadow.html

Cold Steele's Shanghai Shadow looks like one of the daggers. they are sold separately so for a set, it would run $73.98 plus shipping and such...

ewww, i don' like it.

[GLW]

Not sure why... This is the actual image of the 'real' dagger

http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/csstoreonline_2028_20351776

and here is the standard ones sold that are not 'real' knives

http://www.wle.com//products/w043.html

About the only difference I can see - without actually touching them, is that the 'real' blades are (1) more expensive (over 2x more) which is to be expected, (2) black (yeah, silver blades would be better...but it IS a real blade), and (3) the 'real' ones do not have the handles wrapped or the rings on them that you can affix little flags. - both of which can be remedied with standard things from sporting goods stores and then from the hardware store (key rings work fine.

The two would not necessarily fit flat together like the cheaper ones...but I have never seen a real pair so do they REALLY fit together anyway?

An option was asked for...this is about the only thing out there that will actually hold an edge and would look and feel like the traditional Chinese double daggers.

[Oso]

it's not that they weren't a very close reproduction...i don't like the design at all. just my opinion...didn't say 'they suck', just that I didn't like. :)

i only somewhat vicariously know the first part of a double dagger kung fu set (the same one yu and yao are talking about) most of my knife is of the philipine and japanese persuasion...i prefer a single edge vs. double edge

[mickey]

Greetings,

Whoever wrote the item description of the Shanghai Shadow was on point about the use of the ring. I am familiar with one tradition that still maintains that usage and they were based in Shanghai before WWII. The only reservation I have with the knife is the shape of the blade. It should look more like the Fairborne knife, designed to attack organs.

The uses for the ring does not exist in every tradition; but, it does not mean it is extinct.


mickey

[Reverend Tap]

Greetings,
Whoever wrote the item description of the Shanghai Shadow was on point about the use of the ring. I am familiar with one tradition that still maintains that usage and they were based in Shanghai before WWII.


It can be pivoted around the index finger for a quick change from a forward to a reverse grip.

How's that work? The only way I can think of is by holding the knife with the index finger only when using a forward grip, which doesn't strike me as exceptionally secure.

[Reverend Tap]

Looks like you can also get the CS ones with a cord wrap in place of the poly handle, like so. (http://knifeoutlet.com/shop/products/cs80frd.jpg)

Cheaper, looks more comfy, and might even help the two to lay flatter against one another.

I'm rather curious to know how well, if at all, they function as throwers, too. A twofer-deal on a knife made by such a good brand would be a nice find.

[mickey]

Hi Reverend Tap,

My commentary was strictly about the use of the ring. Now, the accuracy of the technique involved in using the ring is another thing. You have three more fingers. Try to find out for yourself. No disrespect meant--its that self learning can be fun. :)


mickey

[Oso]

a while back...heh, 11 or 12 years now, I bought the CS Black Bear fighter...with the sub-hilt and live edge on the back side...really the worst decision ever in a knife but I was younger and dumber...I happened to buy it from a friend of mine who was a shihan in a kempo style and picked it up the weekend of a knife seminar by the soke of the same group...the first thing the soke said when I was admiring and playing with my new toy was "Wow, that's really convenient of you to give me something to break your finger with when i take that away from you" ...in his quiet unassuming, bespeckled pharmacist voice as he walked away.

By the end of the weekend, i decided that sub-hilts, rings and other 'accesories' are kinda pointless...a good basic design with a non-slip grip that is comfortable in your hand is all you need.

[Reverend Tap]

I'll agree with you regarding sub-hilts. The rings on the daggers in question, though, I still find myself liking, in part because, though they could indeed pose a hazard to an inserted finger against someone good at disarming, they do grant some extra maneuverability with the knife and aren't mandatory to use at all times, both unlike the sub-hilt.

[Oso]

agreed. you're right, you wouldn't have to use the ring.

[Reverend Tap]

Of course, in a real combat situation, it'd most likely be this (http://images.dealerease.net/prodpics/gerbpic22-01795.jpg) I'd be using anyway, since that's what I usually carry around.

[Oso]

the only thing I carry 'on' me regularly is a Leatherman...oh, and one of these;)

dont' bring a knife to a gun fight (http://www.grapplingwithguns.com/M&P.jpg)


however, I have one of these in the car, the 12" model

http://www.coldsteel.com/saxmachetes.html

and one of these in the work van, the 18" model

http://www.coldsteel.com/bowiemachetes.html

I also have plane old 440B cheap, all metal handle, tanto in the car as well as a pair of 24" ash sticks.


hmmm, maybe I'm a little 'overkill'...naahhhh, that's just about right, I can meet different levels of force with increasing levels of respons. :p

[yu shan]

Dang Oso, what are you armed to the teeth for in that hippy town of yours? I thought most of the locals carried herb and djembes! ;)

[Oso]

http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage

no, it's not NYC or anything but we're not crime free.

but, it just sounded like I carry a lot, hell, I have to make myself remember to carry the pistol most days

[Reverend Tap]

Wow, well-armed indeed.

I'm curious about the sax machete. How does having the blade on the "spine" like that affect the use? I quite like drop-point blades, kukris and such, but never seen one like that before.

And while I may at some point buy a firearm of some form, I figure just staying out of gunfights is an even better option. :p

[yu shan]

Oso, one look at your bad a$$ self and Mr. bad guy hauls it. But then again you were challenged in a friggen pizza parlor!

[Oso]

Wow, well-armed indeed.

i don't really think about it that way...prepared...I also keep extra food and water in the car most of the time...i don't quite have a 'go to hell bag' but almost.

I'm curious about the sax machete. How does having the blade on the "spine" like that affect the use? I quite like drop-point blades, kukris and such, but never seen one like that before.

well, it opens boxes real handy like...it's a euro design from way back...'retro euro' ;)

but, it seems like there is not a lot known about it...I picked it up cheap at a gun show and intend on picking up all of the CS machete variants...a cheap way to pick up some basic examples of different cultures swords/knives

And while I may at some point buy a firearm of some form, I figure just staying out of gunfights is an even better option. :p

me too...but, you're counting on it always being an option...just like saying 'i'll never have a flat tire' :)

[Oso]

Oso, one look at your bad a$$ self and Mr. bad guy hauls it. But then again you were challenged in a friggen pizza parlor!


no, no...you're confusing 'ugly' with 'bad ass' ;)

[bull895]

Has anybody checked out www.itg8.com, John Lee had a set of daggers in there, his weapons are usually a bit better quality than most and pricing is fair, the blades looked a bit short but owning several of his pieces they are probably functional.

[Oso]

didn't see the daggers...but, that's not an easy site to get around.

[Lucas]

here they are, top left. (http://www.itg8.com/stamps/wushu/index7.html)

[Oso]

enh, I guess I'm just not a fan of that blade style. thanks.

[David Jamieson]

http://www.coldsteel.com/shanghaishadow.html

Cold Steele's Shanghai Shadow looks like one of the daggers. they are sold separately so for a set, it would run $73.98 plus shipping and such...

They got a pic of a guy on that page with "Warrior Lifestyle" emblazined across the graphic.

problem is, the dude makes it look like the warrior lifestyle is about B-B-Q and cramming doughnuts down your chute.

lol

just an observation. they do have nice blades though.

[Lucas]

maybe hes just big boned :p

[Reverend Tap]

The guy doesn't look as absurdly huge in other photos of him.

Still funny, though. ;)

[Oso]

check him out in the blowgun vids...i'm a big guy but at least I know enough to not wear short inseam shorts or tuck my shirt in...

http://www.coldsteel.com/bigboreblowgun.html

i hope he is a bad ass with those knives

[Lucas]

he's just got to be bad ass. i mean, hes got to stick up for himself right? maybe he just gets stabby.

[Reverend Tap]

Skill with a blowgun can lead to many inexpensive hunting adventures and stand you in good stead in survival or self-defense situations.
:confused: :confused:

[Reverend Tap]

he's just got to be bad ass. i mean, hes got to stick up for himself right? maybe he just gets stabby.

He's president of one of the best blade companies going today. I don't think he really has to do all that much sticking up for himself.

[Oso]

lol, yea, i laughed at the blowgun SD thing...especially the 4 or 5 footers...i mean, if i'm going to carry something that long for SD it's going to be something that will deliver a lot more damage than that.

[GeneChing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqYA5PkPKZ0

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