Obama's Eligibility

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

First, this thread should not have been merged with that other monstrosity because it is a completely unrelated subject. Doing so subjected it to being locked when the other one was locked and thta is not fair.

Second:

So I think it's agreed.

Regardless of what you think of the man and his policies Barack Obama is a natural born american and eligible for the office he now holds.

Even the heavily republican dominated supreme court thinks so.

Anyone who challenges it can join the tinfoil hat brigade.



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No, it's NOT agreed, because he hasn't provided a copy of his birth certificate, there is a supposed birth certificate for him in KENYA, and his Kenyan Grand mother claims she attended his birth IN KENYA.

That means he is KENYAN, not a native born American, and therefore NOT eligible to be a US president.

I know a politician in Maryland that lied about being a high school grad via a GED to get elected. No one ever looked into it enough to verify. His whole career went on like that, and no one questioned it.

It is HIGHLY possible Obama did the same, and by the time it was discovered he was too far into the game to stop. The standard political operating procedure would be to cover it up and bury the fact to see how far he could get before discovery.

So it is HIGHLY likely that he was in fact born in Kenya, and is not eligible.

[Exadon]

I don’t think this thread needs to be discussed further. No matter what is said you (and others who follow) will still believe that Obama is not eligible.

as was said before

So I think it's agreed.

Regardless of what you think of the man and his policies Barack Obama is a natural born american and eligible for the office he now holds.

Even the heavily republican dominated supreme court thinks so.

Anyone who challenges it can join the tinfoil hat brigade.

And this thread can now be locked for completeness.

[MasterKiller]

Bush used coke, got a prefential appointment to the national guard to avoid the draft, used more coke, had his flight orders suspended, went AWOL, ruined every business he touched, lied about WMDs and Al-Queda's ties to Iraq to start a war, rigged the Ohio vote count, illegally used Social Security money to pay for fake news stories supporting his Medicare reform, illegally wire-tapped Americans, lied about illegally wire-tapping Americans, approved of tortuing prisoners, and almost bankrupted the country.

The supreme court already ruled on this issue. Give it a rest.

[CLFLPstudent]

Geeze RD, listen closely:


Obama's mother is ( well, was since she has passed) a US citizen. Thus, Obama is a US citizen. Plain and simple, no matter where he was born - in America, in England, in Kenya, in Iraq - he is, was and always will be a US citizen. As long as one parent is a US citizen, you can be born anywhere and still claim US citizenship.

Enough already.


-David

( oh, and get a mac!)

[BoulderDawg]

Obama's mother is ( well, was since she has passed) a US citizen. Thus, Obama is a US citizen. Plain and simple, no matter where he was born - in America, in England, in Kenya, in Iraq - he is, was and always will be a US citizen. As long as one parent is a US citizen, you can be born anywhere and still claim US citizenship.


Different rules apply when it comes to being president. Had he been born off of American soil he could not be Prez.

We are now entering into the same Area 51 where people claim they are outer aliens in the government, a plane never struck the Pentagon and Elvis is still alive.

If there was the slightest hint this story had legs it would have been addressed.

[MasterKiller]

Different rules apply when it comes to being president. Had he been born off of American soil he could not be Prez.

We are now entering into the same Area 51 where people claim they are outer aliens in the government, a plane never struck the Pentagon and Elvis is still alive.

If there was the slightest hint this story had legs it would have been addressed.

No, the rules are not different. The only question that should arise is IF his mother renounced her American citizenship before he was born.

It's funny how Republicans were ready to get rid of that rule when they thought Arnold Schwarzenegger had a chance at being elected, but now it's such a big deal...

[BoulderDawg]

No, the rules are not different. The only question that should arise is IF his mother renounced her American citizenship before he was born.

It's funny how Republicans were ready to get rid of that rule when they thought Arnold Schwarzenegger had a chance at being elected, but now it's such a big deal...

Read the Constitution. If your parent were full blooded Americans who happen to be on a European vacation when you were born then you are ineligible to be President.

[MasterKiller]

Read the Constitution. If your parent were full blooded Americans who happen to be on a European vacation when you were born then you are ineligible to be President.

In 1795, the Congress passed the Naturalization Act of 1795 which removed the words "natural born" from the Naturalization Act of 1790, to state that such children born to citizens beyond the seas "shall be considered as citizens of the United States." George Washington was also President in 1795, and thus he was aware of this change, and yet did not veto it.

John McCain was not born in the United States, either.

Regarding people born at U.S. military bases in foreign countries, current State Department policy reads: "Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth."

[WinterPalm]

Hey, at least the guy has banned torture...which is bizarre considering I thought the US was a signatory to the Geneva Convention.:rolleyes:

[Mr Punch]

MK is correct.

RD and BD are pointless.

Lock!
:D

[sanjuro_ronin]

Wow, I can't believe that people are still debating this.
I guess all those lawyers for the government have ZERO knowledge off all this...
:rolleyes:

[Hardwork108]

www.david ike.com/obama

;)
HW108

PS. Type in the site address without the SPACE.

[BoulderDawg]

In 1795, the Congress passed the Naturalization Act of 1795 which removed the words "natural born" from the Naturalization Act of 1790, to state that such children born to citizens beyond the seas "shall be considered as citizens of the United States." George Washington was also President in 1795, and thus he was aware of this change, and yet did not veto it.

John McCain was not born in the United States, either.

Regarding people born at U.S. military bases in foreign countries, current State Department policy reads: "Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth."


The Constitution is a very flexible document however in this matter it is crystal clear:

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

That's the way it's been since there's been presidents and it hasn't changed.

[CFT]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html


In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/obama-was-born-in-hawaii-wrong-can-of-worms/

The announcement was posted by a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger who grudgingly concluded that Obama "likely" was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu.

Of course, it's distantly possible that Obama's grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.

[brothernumber9]

Read the Constitution. If your parent were full blooded Americans who happen to be on a European vacation when you were born then you are ineligible to be President.

Though that literal part of the constitution is a little vague in a few ways, it does not specifically define citizenship. No one has argued against the statement that being born of naturalized or natural born citizens, regardless of where, entitles the child to natural born citizenship, so we will assume this to be true.
The constitution itself certainly does not address this issue (specifically in regards to citizenship legitimacy for Presidency born off of U.S. soil). The bill of rights does not have any ammendments specifying such a specific instance. Therefore, Obama was a natural born citizen, unless it can be proven that his mother and father were not U.S. naturalized citizens.

[TenTigers]

Nevermaind all that, what IS important, is that Obama can become a Mason.

[BoulderDawg]

Though that literal part of the constitution is a little vague in a few ways, it does not specifically define citizenship. No one has argued against the statement that being born of naturalized or natural born citizens, regardless of where, entitles the child to natural born citizenship, so we will assume this to be true.
The constitution itself certainly does not address this issue (specifically in regards to citizenship legitimacy for Presidency). The bill of rights does not have any ammendments specifying such a specific instance. Therefore, Obama was a natural born citizen, unless it can be proven that his mother and father were not U.S. naturalized citizens.


Personally I think the Constitution is clear in this matter. If you are born on American soil it does not matter who your parents are. You are a full citizen.

[GeneChing]

Maybe Obama and Putin (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43782) can have a cage match.


Martial artist in chief, President Obama (http://www.examiner.com/x-824-Martial-Arts-Examiner~y2009m1d22-Martial-artist-in-chief-President-Obama)
January 22, 5:48 PM
by Nancy Robinson, Martial Arts Examiner

Congratulations, President Obama. Your martial arts constituents are pleased to know that you trained in Taekwondo, a traditional Korean martial art. Here are some other famous or celebrity martial artists of note:

Criss Angel is a magician with a hit television show which highlights his illusions. It is not, however, an illusion that his martial arts background includes training in karate, taekwondo and kung fu.

James Cagney, the actor, died in 1986 but still lives in the many films he made. He was a black belt in Judo.

Actor Robert Downey, Jr. trains in kung-fu and hopes to become an instructor.

Actress Sarah Michelle Gellar, famous for the "Buffy" television series, is a black belt in taekwondo. She also has training in kickboxing, figure skating and gymnastics.

A veteran martial artist, Ed O'Neill (Al Bundy in Married with Children), has trained for more than fifteen years with Rorian Gracie and holds a black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu.

President Theodore Roosevelt made no secret of his martial arts roots. He studied judo and jiu-jitsu.

You are in good company, Mr. President.

[BoulderDawg]

Sarah Gellar can beat on me any day:p

[CLFLPstudent]

www.david ike.com/obama

;)
HW108

PS. Type in the site address without the SPACE.

Ugh with the Icke already....


david icke
by Alex Burns (alex@disinfo.com) - December 16, 2000

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from here
(http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id330/pg1/index.html)

I think he took too many headers ( balls to the head? :cool:) when playing soccer. I read a book of his quite a few years ago - "and the truth shall set you free" - back in the y2k era. His claims are so far fetched I am surprised that anyone, even the most far reaching conspiracy nut, believes him.

-David