TMA and MMA

[Phil Redmond]

Lyoto Carvalho Machida
I just found this article:
http://academyofkarate.blogspot.com/2008/06/undefeated-in-mma-shotokan-stylist.html
and some HLs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2elXCGxXeE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMYJc1OkttY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nqbAfzrg-E&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2vOxjGeRwM&feature=related

[sanjuro_ronin]

His core system Shotokan, lends itself to excellent basic development and add to that his exposure and openeness to other MA and cross training and you get someone that was "breed" for MA.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Another uninformed opinion is that Traditional Karate-Do is simply a one dimensional art, when in fact it is one of the very first, if not THE "original" mixed martial art of modern times. Not only does Karate-do offer a variety of principles within its teachings, but it is very practical and approaches things from a no non-sense and strait forward mentality.

Karate teaches a variety of techniques ranging from striking and kicking, to leg sweeps, take downs and some basic grappling as it also incorporates joint locks and manipulations as well. All of these techniques were at one point adapted from other arts but are now considered Karate Techniques.

Quite correct of what Karate USED to be and how it was orginally trained, thought the truth must be told that, compared to other systems that specialized in those areas, Karate was rudimentary at best.

[Violent Designs]

Machida is one of the best fighters in the world right now at 205. If not the best.

[sanjuro_ronin]

He needs to KO a few more quality fighter to claim "the best"title.
Bit on of them, for sure.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Cool that Machida is coming out with a book.
One for my collection.

[t_niehoff]

Lyoto Carvalho Machida
I just found this article:
http://academyofkarate.blogspot.com/2008/06/undefeated-in-mma-shotokan-stylist.html
and some HLs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2elXCGxXeE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMYJc1OkttY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nqbAfzrg-E&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2vOxjGeRwM&feature=related


Have someone who doesn't know anything about Machida look at his MMA fights, like his KO of Rich Franklin for example, and then try to guess his "original" style. Would anyone say "shotokan"? No, where are the reverse punches, the blocks, the stances, etc.?

If you put someone on the outside in freemovement and have them fight enough (to develop some good skills), it will end up looking like boxing/kickboxing because it has to. If you put them on the ground, it will end up looking like GNP or sub grappling because it has to. Put them in a tight clinch, and it will look like greco or judo because it has to. Put them in contact, where they are holding and hitting (dirty clinch) and it will look like muay thai or southern fist because it has to. Put it all together, stand-up, clinch, and ground and it will look like MMA because it has to regardless of your style.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Have someone who doesn't know anything about Machida look at his MMA fights, like his KO of Rich Franklin for example, and then try to guess his "original" style. Would anyone say "shotokan"? No, where are the reverse punches, the blocks, the stances, etc.?

If you put someone on the outside in freemovement and have them fight enough (to develop some good skills), it will end up looking like boxing/kickboxing because it has to. If you put them on the ground, it will end up looking like GNP or sub grappling because it has to. Put them in a tight clinch, and it will look like greco or judo because it has to. Put them in contact, where they are holding and hitting (dirty clinch) and it will look like muay thai or southern fist because it has to. Put it all together, stand-up, clinch, and ground and it will look like MMA because it has to regardless of your style.

You are kind if right, when I saw him the first time I though Shorin-ryu !
LOL !
Actually his "fighting stance" is very Shotokan, at least form the waist down, his weeps, his rear hand punches, all practical shotokan.
Of course, someone with NO experience in Shotokan or Karate won't see that, then again they have no experience.

[chusauli]

When I first saw Machida, I thought he was a Karate guy by the way he moved in and out and the way he stood in a stance.

My guess was Shorin Ryu, but later I found it was Shotokan.

Of course, when one fights, one fights and fits in with the situation on hand.

[sanjuro_ronin]

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/?go=forum_framed.posts&forum=1&thread=1197430&page=1&pc=68


Some of his stuff.

[sanjuro_ronin]

When I first saw Machida, I thought he was a Karate guy by the way he moved in and out and the way he stood in a stance.

My guess was Shorin Ryu, but later I found it was Shotokan.

Of course, when one fights, one fights and fits in with the situation on hand.

LOL !
I'd say Great minds think alike, but I don't wanna insult you Robert.
:D

[couch]

We ALL need a framework to start from. His just happens to be Karate. Mine is WC.

[Edmund]

He's got a real point karate style that's a bit frustrating to watch but incredibly effective. It's a bit shocking to see that sort of strategy work so well. Those highlight clips don't really show it. He just keeps circling away most of the times and throwing single strikes.

I don't like his strategy/style but I have to give Machida props because he makes it work and he really doesn't get hurt on the feet most of the time. I don't necessarily want a slugfest all the time but I like to see fighters engage a bit.

It was funny to hear Joe Rogan ride his jock and say traditional Karate was effective in Machida's last fight because Rogan's usually such a backwards-cap-wearing MMA-wannabe.

Machida's last win was pretty impressive. He knocked down Silva multiple times with that karate punch. Then he dropped a bomb on Silva that KOed him when he was lying back trying to recover. Pre-fight I was actually picking Silva because he's finished almost everyone he's fought but Machida was just so quick and deadly.

[Ultimatewingchun]

Just watched the second vid - Machida KO's Franklin.

Franklin started walking in with his hands too low and then tied to throw a lead jab while his arms were too far back (ie.- close to his body)....

bad combination: too far back, and too low - as he moves right into the guy's zone.

Machida hits him with a big rear cross bomb and it was basically all over.

[Ultimatewingchun]

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/?go=forum_framed.posts&forum=1&thread=1197430&page=1&pc=68


Some of his stuff.


***OH MY GOD !!! The 1970's has returned. :eek: :p :)

[AdrianK]

Have someone who doesn't know anything about Machida look at his MMA fights, like his KO of Rich Franklin for example, and then try to guess his "original" style. Would anyone say "shotokan"? No, where are the reverse punches, the blocks, the stances, etc.?

Real fighting all looks the same on the outside, to the uneducated or even casual fan. Thats because the best techniques are simple and direct, and well accepted by everyone in MMA. No one is going to jump in there and attempt to do something fancy as the basis for their strategy. For show, yes. Otherwise, no.

What seperates each fighter are the little things. To someone who doesn't know boxing, everybody boxes the same. Look a little closer and there are distinct differences in everything from the way they punch, their combinations, their footwork, their defense... But especially to many martial artists, you ask them what they think of boxing, and they act like every boxer fights the same. This can be seen in countless Style VS. Boxing or Style Vs. Kickboxing so-called "Instructional" videos that have been released...

The point is, there are differences. But the meat of it will be the same no matter the fight or fighter, if they want to be successful in a professional arena. Punch, kick, move, grab, wrestle, parry, block. With two fighters who know what they're doing, there is little room for anything else.

[Hardwork108]

Lyoto Carvalho Machida
I just found this article:
http://academyofkarate.blogspot.com/2008/06/undefeated-in-mma-shotokan-stylist.html
and some HLs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2elXCGxXeE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMYJc1OkttY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nqbAfzrg-E&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2vOxjGeRwM&feature=related

I have seen him before and even read about him. If I remember correctly he considers himself a karate-ka rather than a MMA-ist. He is half Japanese and his father is a Shotokan karate master who taught him and his brother.

I also believe that he still practises his katas...gasp!!!

Watching him fight I can easily see the Shotokan aspects including their distinct way of hitting the attacker on his way in.

I find this guy very impressive and I wish him continued success.