OT: unrest in china(world)

[uki]

apparently global unrest is spreading due to the failing global economy... here's a snippet for folks who can't see it from their neck of the woods. it seems to be spreading like wildfire...

Bankruptcies, unemployment and social unrest are spreading more widely in China than officially reported, according to independent research that paints an ominous picture for the world economy.

The research was conducted for The Sunday Times over the last two months in three provinces vital to Chinese trade – Guangdong, Zhejiang and Jiangsu. It found that the global economic crisis has scythed through exports and set off dozens of protests that are never mentioned by the state media.

While troubling for the Chinese government, this should strengthen the argument of Premier Wen Jiabao, who will say on a visit to London this week that his country faces enormous problems and cannot let its currency rise in response to American demands.

The new US Treasury secretary, Timothy Geithner, has alarmed Beijing and raised fears of a trade war by stating that China manipulates the yuan to promote exports.

However, a growing number of economists say the unrest proves that it is not the exchange rate but years of sweatshop wages and income inequality in China that have distorted global competition and stifled domestic demand. The influential Far Eastern Economic Review headlined its latest issue “The coming crack-up of the China Model”.

Yasheng Huang, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said corruption and a deeply flawed model of economic reform had led to a collapse in personal income growth and a wealth gap that could leave China looking like a Latin American economy.

full article... http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article5627687.ece

and some more links... http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20090203.IBCHINA03/TPStory/Business

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-12-02-china-protest_N.htm

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Violent_unrest_rocks_China_as_crisis_hits/articleshow/4059496.cms

http://in.reuters.com/article/globalCoverage3/idINIndia-37774120090201

http://alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L1472255.htm

http://www.startribune.com/business/38750252.html?elr=KArks:DCiU1OiP:DiiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:a ULPQL7PQLanchO7DiU

http://philsbackupsite.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/global-unrest-continues-to-grow/

and an added twist... http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd432.htm

the people of america can sit by and chose to ignore the warning signs of the inevitable, but they cannot change the facts... it's time the people opened their eyes to the bigger picture. everyone is too distracted about the next american idol, impostors on facebook, porn clips during the superbowl, and mark phelps smoking a pipe... wake up people. :)

[sanjuro_ronin]

Where were you in the early 90's?

[David Jamieson]

Where were you in the early 90's?

eatin shrooms, trippin in the forest, etc.

prolly listenin to bran van 2000 lol.

[sanjuro_ronin]

eatin shrooms, trippin in the forest, etc.

prolly listenin to bran van 2000 lol.

Bran Van 2000 ?
Now that's just wrong.

[uki]

eatin shrooms, trippin in the forest, etc.you should do it some time... you might discover something about yourself that you are too afraid to see at the moment. :p

[David Jamieson]

you should do it some time... you might discover something about yourself that you are too afraid to see at the moment. :p

listen kid, when you were still crappin yellow i was smoothin to alex harvey.
enjoy your trip, but make sure that you know when to park it. :)

I'm a child of the 60's/70's lol been there done that, sold the t-shirt at a garage sale almost 2 decades ago. hahaha

[uki]

enjoy your trip, but make sure that you know when to park it.i don't park... i keep on cruis'in...


I'm a child of the 60's/70's lol been there done that, sold the t-shirt at a garage sale almost 2 decades ago. hahahasounds like you grew up and became just another lame old adult... too many of them already in the world and look what has happened to the place. :)

[David Jamieson]

i don't park... i keep on cruis'in...
sounds like you grew up and became just another lame old adult... too many of them already in the world and look what has happened to the place. :)

you do realize that....well, never mind, lol.

[uki]

you do realize that....well, never mind, lol.exactly what i thought... nothing you can say. :)

[David Jamieson]

exactly what i thought... nothing you can say. :)

actually there's a lot, but I don't think you'd comprehend, so I'll leave it at that. :)

[uki]

actually there's a lot, but I don't think you'd comprehend, so I'll leave it at that. sure there is buddy... assumptions usually prove false, although i did highlight something you have accurately stated. :p

[David Jamieson]

sure there is buddy... assumptions usually prove false, although i did highlight something you have accurately stated. :p

whatever uki. have a nice day. :)

[uki]

whatever uki. have a nice day.lighten up big guy... i am just picking on you, incase you haven't noticed... i am much like a mirror, you do to me, i do to you... hows your neck of the woods going? still working? i have been laid off for over two months now... stir-crazy is an appropriate term to describe my winter so far, thank goodness for the logging truck of wood i just bought to cut and split, that keeps me somewhat busy. hopefully the spring will pick up in work, but we are not very optimistic around here... only had like two new homes all of last year, everything else has been repair work and the like.

[uki]

more splendid news... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29037931/ :)

[SimonM]

Getting back on topic...

The situation in China is somewhat unnerving. The Chinese government has been very successful keeping 1.5 billion people essentially stable and placid because they managed to follow Laozi's timeless advice and kept their bellies full.

If people are no longer able to keep full bellies expect trouble. And right now trouble in China is trouble in the world.

Combine that with a massive gender imbalance between males and females aged 15-30 and you can see a powderkeg that I sincerely hope doesn't explode.

Because, you know, a big activist army would create jobs, deal with the extra males and allow for the increased use of nationalistic rhetoric to prop up national unity.

[Hardwork108]

Getting back on topic...

The situation in China is somewhat unnerving. The Chinese government has been very successful keeping 1.5 billion people essentially stable and placid because they managed to follow Laozi's timeless advice and kept their bellies full.

If people are no longer able to keep full bellies expect trouble. And right now trouble in China is trouble in the world.

Combine that with a massive gender imbalance between males and females aged 15-30 and you can see a powderkeg that I sincerely hope doesn't explode.

Because, you know, a big activist army would create jobs, deal with the extra males and allow for the increased use of nationalistic rhetoric to prop up national unity.

That is one worrying scenario. Let´s hope things won't come to that.

[uki]

That is one worrying scenario. Let´s hope things won't come to that.yet what is to worry about if you have the extra males to spare? quite the ingenious idea to trim off excess populations... simply start a war, your soldiers are bound to lose numbers, thus helping to balance out the gender gap... harmonize the system of operation. carrying the vision even further you could use the lands you perhaps might occupy and gain control of as a launch pad for population redistribution... now in order for this to work well in this day and age, one would have to invade a country on the verge of collapse(even just a segment) that has a working infrastructure of roads and rail systems connected to key ports... http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/massive_port_grab.html

http://theselloutofamerica.blogspot.com/2007/10/chinese-investments-in-mexican-ports.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/21/AR2006022101177.html

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16407

purely co-incidence... eh? :D

[taai gihk yahn]

purely co-incidence... eh? :D
whatever - I speak Cantonese and love dim sum - bring it on!

[diego]

listen kid, when you were still crappin yellow i was smoothin to alex harvey.
enjoy your trip, but make sure that you know when to park it. :)

I'm a child of the 60's/70's lol been there done that, sold the t-shirt at a garage sale almost 2 decades ago. hahaha

****ing hippys...i love the new age kids Dave :) wow peace love and haight ashbury...they don't talk about the hells angels forming up in oakland or all the runaway girls tricked out by beatnics at the summer of love after party. i give leary a bit of props with his tune in turn off **** it helped me get a way from the criminal mind but **** all those burnt out drop outs...so many gang wars in the 80's because of the god **** hippies not knowing how to be parents...

[uki]

whatever - I speak Cantonese and love dim sum - bring it on!reminisence of a famous idiot from texas...

[TenTigers]

yep...all this could have been avoided.
If only they'd practiced their chi-sao.

[sanjuro_ronin]

yep...all this could have been avoided.
If only they'd practiced their chi-sao.

Little do people know that Chi sao can unlock all the secrets of the universe and it can make hair grow back on bald people !

[taai gihk yahn]

reminisence of a famous idiot from texas...

now be fair - I'm not talkin' about a BBQ, mon frere!

[taai gihk yahn]

yep...all this could have been avoided.
If only they'd practiced their chi-sao.

indeed, if only (you should pepper a thread with statements attributed to this lack...)

[taai gihk yahn]

Little do people know that Chi sao can unlock all the secrets of the universe

well, I'd say that the skill has helped me unhook a few bras w/one hand...

[sanjuro_ronin]

well, I'd say that the skill has helped me unhook a few bras w/one hand...

AH, my friend, I see that your knowldege of the ancient secrets is being put to good use !

[taai gihk yahn]

AH, my friend, I see that your knowldege of the ancient secrets is being put to good use !

yeah, but the local store owners are getting hip and have begun locking the doors to those mannequin displays :mad:

[sanjuro_ronin]

yeah, but the local store owners are getting hip and have begun locking the doors to those mannequin displays :mad:

The Man, always trying to keep a brother down !!

[SimonM]

Actually I was thinking Taiwan, not the continental USA.

As a second, much less likely scenario, Pakistan or India.

Pakistan, unlike the USA, IS on the verge of a real colapse and parts of the Kashmere border area are contested by China as well as Pakistan and India.

Meanwhile China has a history of tension with India, albeit one that has relaxed considerably in the last 2 decades.

[uki]

Actually I was thinking Taiwan, not the continental USA.tawian would hardly be a worthy snatch without america in the picture per se...


As a second, much less likely scenario, Pakistan or India. Pakistan, unlike the USA, IS on the verge of a real colapse and parts of the Kashmere border area are contested by China as well as Pakistan and India. makes one wonder just what exactly is so important about the region...

http://www.koausa.org/Crown/history.html


Meanwhile China has a history of tension with India, albeit one that has relaxed considerably in the last 2 decades.it pays to be friends with your neighbor, alliances can be formed, weakened countries overrun... the art of war speaks of destroying your enemy from within, in this case it would amount to undermining politics, the economy, and ultimately the people...

the pieces are being put into positon...

[SimonM]

What's important about central asia?

Minerals
Gas
Oil
Easily fortified mountain ranges
Central position for the movement of people any direction across asia

Remember Kashmere is almost smack dab in the middle of Asia.