Need sources for essay

[ghostexorcist]

I'm in a college English course that is directed towards writing argumentative papers. We are currently in the early stages of writing our second paper, but I want to have all of my sources together for the third in advance. Its going to be over Bodhidharma's mythical connection to Shaolin martial arts or just Chinese martial arts in general. Beyond some of the sources I have by Meir Shahar and Stan Henning, who else has similar research out there? Would any of you be willing to email me a scan or pdf file of the sources you might suggest?

I need at least five sources for the paper.

[MasterKiller]

LOL at asking other people to do your college research.

Hit the library, grasshopper!

[Oso]

well...it is kinda lazy but KFM is a legitimate periodical and a forum associated with it could maybe be a source...but can you imagine how his citations would read???:p

[ghostexorcist]

LOL at asking other people to do your college research.

Hit the library, grasshopper!

I've already hit the library thank you very much. The University of Cincinnati does not have very many books on the subject. That's why I'm asking around here for books or articles that I might be able to locate elsewhere.

I've also searched Project Muse and JSTOR to no effect. I already have the few articles that the search returns.

[golgo]

I've already hit the library thank you very much. The University of Cincinnati does not have very many books on the subject. That's why I'm asking around here for books or articles that I might be able to locate elsewhere.

I've also searched Project Muse and JSTOR to no effect. I already have the few articles that the search returns.

Are those the only online periodical sources you have access to?

[ghostexorcist]

Are those the only online periodical sources you have access to?

I also have access to EBSCOhost. Not much there either. I'm trying to stick with scholarly sources. The authors of the supporting evidence need to have actual credentials. I'm supposed to use the "sandwich" method of quoting--author, credentials, quote.

[Oso]

hell, man...most of us have great credentials...why, i'm a master of arm wrestling at pizza joints and other various and sundry titles... ;)

can't you use books? or just periodicals?

[ghostexorcist]

hell, man...most of us have great credentials...why, i'm a master of arm wrestling at pizza joints and other various and sundry titles... ;)

can't you use books? or just periodicals?

I can use both. I don't trust books by martial artists like Yang Jwing-Ming. He has proven himself not be a historian. The only reliable book I have in my collection is Meir Shahar's book on Shaolin. I have a couple of his research papers and some by Stan Henning, but I don't want to rely solely on just these two.

[YouKnowWho]

I will think the Muslim may have stronger influence to CMA in general (such as long fist, Baiji, SC, ...). Most of the MA that existed in the Shaolin temple all came from outside and had nothing to do with Bodhidharma's mythical connection.

[David Jamieson]

Look for information regarding the spread of Buddhism into china and work in regards to the foundation of zen. specifically, you could look for different translations of the lankavatara sutra which is the 'seed' sutra for zen.

Bodhidharma is attributed with bringing Ch'an to Shaolin as well as the primordial forms of martial arts development.

look through the articles here in the ezine and look towards books about buddhism instead of books about martial arts and you'll likely find out more.

[EarthDragon]

Ghost....................
This is 1 paragraph if a paper I didnt on this very subject. I did research and found hundreds and hundreds or books on (Damo) I know you can do the sme thing if you try
heres a just a taste but its up to you college student to do your own research and homework. One cannot learn if one does not do for themselves


FAITH IN MIND
By Boddidharma attributed to the 3rd ancestor from Jianzhi Sengcan ( jeeon Zgi Sungtson) translated from Chinese to English by Michael Haley and Shyun Kwan Long

Attaining the way is not difficult, Just avoid picking and choosing. If you have neither aversion nor desire, you’ll thoroughly understand. A hairs breadth difference is the gap between heaven and earth. If you want it to come forth let there be no positive and negative. For such comparisons are a sickness of the mind. Without knowing the great mystery quite practice is useless. The great perfection is the same as vast space, lacking nothing, nothing extra. Due to picking up and discarding you will not know it. Don’t chase the conditioned nor abide in forbearing emptiness. In singular equanimity the self is extinguished. Ceasing the movement and returning to stillness, this is complete movement. But only suppress the two aspects how can you realize unity? Not penetrating the one,

[ghostexorcist]

Ghost....................
This is 1 paragraph if a paper I didnt on this very subject. I did research and found hundreds and hundreds or books on (Damo) I know you can do the sme thing if you try
heres a just a taste but its up to you college student to do your own research and homework. One cannot learn if one does not do for themselves.

The main problem I see with this comment is that they wrongly assume I'm writing a paper specifically on Bodhidharma's life and times and think I'm too lazy to look up sources on him. The paper is about his false connection to martial arts. The main focus is martial arts, not zen Buddhism. I don't know how many more ways that I can say it.

I'm only interested in scholarly books or articles about martial arts history.

[GeneChing]

Meir Shahar did. You'll find our back issues listed here (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/index.php). There's table of contents, cover stories, and a search engine. There's also ordering information. ;)

[EarthDragon]

when traveling from India to China he brought 3 punches in different successions with some internal breathing and mediation excersizes. this WAS his connection to the MA of China so if you wish to call that a false connection you would be incorect.

[ghostexorcist]

when traveling from India to China he brought 3 punches in different successions with some internal breathing and mediation excersizes. this WAS his connection to the MA of China so if you wish to call that a false connection you would be incorect.

Three punches? Whatever meditations he may or may not have imported (some people doubt his historicity) they were not incorporated into the martial arts until centuries after he lived.

Prior to the 17th century he was just considered the progenitor of Chan. He was not associated with unarmed Shaolin boxing until 1629 when a Taoist wrote the Yi Jin Jing and attributed it to Bodhidharma. The stories about him teaching the monks martial arts is based on this forged document.

[taai gihk yahn]

I'm in a college English course that is directed towards writing argumentative papers. We are currently in the early stages of writing our second paper, but I want to have all of my sources together for the third in advance. Its going to be over Bodhidharma's mythical connection to Shaolin martial arts or just Chinese martial arts in general. Beyond some of the sources I have by Meir Shahar and Stan Henning, who else has similar research out there? Would any of you be willing to email me a scan or pdf file of the sources you might suggest?

I need at least five sources for the paper.

5 sources for an argument? dude - just randomly pick 5 KFMF threads and you will have enough material to last you through your PhD dissertation!

[YMC]

Originally Posted by taai gihk yahn
5 sources for an argument? dude - just randomly pick 5 KFMF threads and you will have enough material to last you through your PhD dissertation!

Well that is certainly a way to pile it higher and deeper.

[SanHeChuan]

The Yi Jin Jing is the original false connection of Bodhidharma to shaolin.
Research that and you'll have what you seek.

author Lin Boyuan
title Zhongguo wushu shi

also
Tang Hao,
Xu Zhen
Matsuda Ryuchi

Broughton, Jeffrey L.

[ghostexorcist]

The Yi Jin Jing is the original false connection of Bodhidharma to shaolin.
Research that and you'll have what you seek.

author Lin Boyuan
title Zhongguo wushu shi

also
Tang Hao,
Xu Zhen
Matsuda Ryuchi

Broughton, Jeffrey L.

I read about that in Meir Shahar's book on Shaolin when I bought it about a year ago. That is what prompted me to write the paper. I chose a subject that I already knew a little something about.

Thanks for the suggestions, though.

[KC Elbows]

The problem is that there probably isn't a lot of research done in English on the subject. If you can read Chinese, you'd probably have better luck. Since you are probably stuck using your one source for much of your central position, you can at least use some other sources for background material, but I suspect that you're not gonna find a lot more in English to support your central thesis than you already have, but good luck.

[SaekSan]

ghostexorcist, check out Brian Kennedy and Elizabeth Guo's book "Chinese Martial Arts Training Manuals a Historical Survey" also for good measure Andrew Morris' book "Marrow of the Nation", specifically the section dealing with the Guoshu (Kuoshu) movement .

Good luck.

[ghostexorcist]

ghostexorcist, check out Brian Kennedy and Elizabeth Guo's book "Chinese Martial Arts Training Manuals a Historical Survey" also for good measure Andrew Morris' book "Marrow of the Nation", specifically the section dealing with the Guoshu (Kuoshu) movement .

Good luck.

Thanks for the suggestions. I actually have Brian's book.


I don't think many martial arts books cover bodhidharma in much depth partly because he may not have existed, and partly because he doesn't have much to do with kung fu. ...

The art of shaolin kung fu - wong kiew kit
spring and autumn of chinese martial arts - kang gewu

I have most of these books too. Wong Kiew Kit is not a reliable historian because he tends to rely on legend alot himself.

I've already written the paper and got an A. Thanks to everyone that actually had helpful comments.

[Sal Canzonieri]

I'm in a college English course that is directed towards writing argumentative papers. We are currently in the early stages of writing our second paper, but I want to have all of my sources together for the third in advance. Its going to be over Bodhidharma's mythical connection to Shaolin martial arts or just Chinese martial arts in general. Beyond some of the sources I have by Meir Shahar and Stan Henning, who else has similar research out there? Would any of you be willing to email me a scan or pdf file of the sources you might suggest?

I need at least five sources for the paper.

I gave a source just now in the Shaolin discussion group, look there.