Master Wei

[robertwilliam]

Does anyone know who the main students of master wei were / are, other than master Sun? I've read some disturbing things on this forum in regards to master Sun learning from his brother.I have sketchy info at best on the 8-step lineage.What I believe to be true is master Wei passed on 8-step to master Sun with the explicit instructions that the 5 generation master should be master Economos - I've also heard that master Wei had 4 main students, and three of them were taught 80%, and master Sun all -

[baji-fist]

I am not to familiar with the stories about Master Sun, and personally I don't care much about it. Master Sun from what I have seen knows his stuff. But if you are interested in other students of Master Wei, there is Su Yu Chang of New York. He is head of the Pa Chi Tanglang Association. Master Su also teaches four other styles of mantis (mei hua, 7 star, 6 harmony, and mi men.

You must eat bitter before you can taste sweet.

[8stepsifu]

But Master Wei didn't tell Master Sun to make Master Dean the 5th generation inheritor, in fact, Master Wei didn't want Master Sun teaching white people. It is also true that besides Master Sun and people of his lineage, Master Su Yu Chang knows the more of 8 Step, than any other of Master Wei's students. I know that Master Wei had four really good students, but I have no idea where you got the 80% from.


The disturbing things you're hearing are false and come from about 2 people. Absolutely zero of the claims have been backed up and they poorly supported with more anger and namecalling than logic and fact.

No one is saying bad things except for people who didn't get taught as much indoor material as they would have liked and are ****ed, and rather than say something directly, they let it filter down through students. Also just because someone was a student of Master Wei's does not mean that they are Sifu's under him. If they are a Sifu, they will have a certificate from him and if they are Generation disciples, then they will have Generation Names in the matching order as those in the 8 Step book that has been passed down from one Master to another since Chiang Hua Long that Master Sun as current Generation Grandmaster is in possesion of. Bottom line, no certificate, no name, not a disciple.

I apologise to everybody for yet again having to straiten out all the BS posted by 2 people with multiple accounts.

And Robert, I hope you find everything your looking for, but do take into account that those taught even very little from Master Wei don't feel that they need to regognise a fellow student, even if he did inherit the whole system. You can also call Master Sun and ask what you are curious about. Of course all these claims brought up had me asking questions and looking about, but I soon found that they were groundless and once I realized why they were doing it, it all made sense.

good luck with your search.......And post any cool Master Wei information/Pics/ Stories you get from asking around

If your not bleeding, your not having enough fun

[This message was edited by 8stepsifu on 01-24-01 at 01:40 PM.]

[xygie]

And; Better yet, POST IT!!!

We have nothing to gain except to know the TRUTH.

You said it yourself 8Stepsifu, "Bottom line, no certificate, no name, not a disciple."

Now; Furnish the proof, post it or shut up. I have nothing more to say on this forum. :rolleyes:

[on-jer]

Chun-Fu Lin studied under Master Wei for 33 years. Master Lin was a physical ed. teacher in Taipei and saw Master Wei every day during these years. Master Wei also briefly taught Master Lin's two sons when they were very young.

I have been under Master Lin for 12 years and can assure that he has the complete 8 Step system. The only thing Master Lin no longer has is the 3-section-staff and other weapon Master Wei taught.

Master Lin's picure can be seen, as Master Wei's main student, in Wei's green book.

[6hmantis]

It is a fact that Master Wei stopped teaching 8 step to everyone 10 years before he passed. Master Lin chin fu studyed with Master Wei for some 33 years. FACT Sun was only 13 years old when Master Wei stopped teaching. So....why would Master Wei give a style to sun at 13 years old insted of a man who trained under him for 33????

[8stepsifu]

fact- You don't know how old master Sun is and your pulling Facts right out of thin air because you were dropped kicked out of the system. Master Sun only "13"? Try 26. Oh and stop playing victim, you aren't stripped of your rank and kicked out for not paying federation dues, you got booted for profesional misconduct, which I won't go into so that you can save what little face you have left.
Your "facts" aren't supported. You can either stay in fantasy land and believe everyone who tells you they too are 8 Step Grandmasters, or you can come to grips with the fact that you shot yourself in the foot and there is no going back.

Also if you think that by bashing Master Sun that other students of Master Wei will suddently like you and teach you; your both stupid and mistaken. No one is going to give you anything. If you betray your Master, don't expect others to trust you.

If you have any questions then go ask Master Sun. I don't have all the documents and anything else you might demand that I scan. I'm not his personal secretary, I don't have a scanner, and I don't take orders from has-been chumps. He has the info; ask him.

Oh and if you continue with these groundless acuasaction, have some sort of evidence, rather than demand that Master Sun prove that he's whatever you happen to say he is. If your acuasations arent backed up, they're not even worth reading.


also if I'm not mistaken in the Kung Fu Online rules that we all agreed to, slandering Sifu's is against forum rules. You can give opinions, but telling blatant lies out of spite striclty goes againt KFO policy.

[This message was edited by 8stepsifu on 01-28-01 at 09:36 PM.]

[robertwilliam]

This is for 6hmantis - yeah I do think that you are pulling info out of the air - why would most internationally distributed books and kung fu magazines be wrong? as well as the information distributed to 8-step students? -
OK - if Master Wei STOPPED TEACHING TEN YEARS before his death in 1982 (1972), that would have allowed master Sun to have been taught by master Wei for 22 years or more (1950-1972)

[6hmantis]

Ok mikey, I forgot. you trained with moonysun for 1 year. Oh but i forget that your the greatest thing since sliced bread. Please I beg your forgiveness!! I have proof that moony sun was a student of his brother not Master Wei. So why don't you two butt buddies stick your head into your shorts and go out for a chicken dinner. Moonysun is a FAKE plane and simple. But the two butt budies dont want to admit im right because of the amount of training they wasted with moonysun or as we like to refer to him as (xuiwa****) which means holder of the chicken butt flap. so you two butt boys just go on thinking you all that and no one else in the whole wide world has what you have. MIKEY I would love to have you come down to the school. I have a few thing I would like to give your candyass. Bring cinamino with you and we can have a big party. LUV YA *** BOYS!!

[robertwilliam]

Post your information then - scan it and post your proof - mr Lawyer. Oh what's that? Master Sun already has the 28 volumes that comprise 8-step information, information that was given to him by master Wei

[8stepsifu]

more quick wit and intelligent conversation from 6hmantis.

Heres what you do....
1. Make something up.
2. Look like a fool
3. Name call and say something gross and sexual.

4.-Repeat steps 1-3 making sure to be as repetative and mindless as possible....


Your a lawyer??? Then I'm an astronaught. Law school has a way of screening out idiots and I doubt that anyone with your mental inflexebility and 3rd grade writing level could pass.

If your not bleeding, your not having enough fun.

[robertwilliam]

Furthermore, I don't think that any lawyer would use the terms "chicken buttflap" , or Moony Sun... The original post, by me, was asking for information and opinon on who will be the 5th generation inheritor of BA BU TANG LANG not chicken butt flap style.
I thank every constuctive opinion (8-stepsifu, bajifist, and on-jer), and really don't have much to say about the others.The opinion that I have formulated for myself at this point is that: Master Sun is the True inheritor of 8-step, and the other students of Master Wei are not, for the simple fact that they would have had a BIG problem with Master Sun claiming he was, and wasn't.

[xygie]

robert888: You formulated your opinion before you even registered on this forum.

8stepsifu: Your responses are consistent the stereotypic cult behavior and denial.

PROOVE IT, POST IT OR SHUT UP. PROOVE IT, POST IT OR SHUT UP. PROOVE IT, POST IT, OR SHUT UP.

[xygie]

8:08 AM, Friday morning...Doctor's office

8stepsifu: Doc, I need 3 Viagra pills.

Doctor: Why?

8stepsifu: I've got a big weekend planned... Friday night, my girl friend is coming over. Saturday night, robert888 is coming over in drag, wearing his new Victoria Secret's outfit.
Sunday night, my wife's coming home from a trip.

Doctor: Okay, here you go. Be careful.

8stepsifu: Thanks Doc.

The following Monday, 8stepsifu returns to the doctor's office wearing a splint on his wrist, and the same arm in a sling.

Doctor: What happened 8stepsifu? I thought you had a big weekend planned.

8stepsifu: Yeah...but nobody showed up.

[robertwilliam]

...because I was bending xygie over fulsom prison style ...

[xygie]

Then you fell out of bed a woke up.

PROOVE IT, POST IT, OR SHUT UP!

[8stepsifu]

Heres what you do....
1. Make something up.
2. Look like a fool
3. Name call and say something gross and sexual.
4.-Repeat steps 1-3 making sure to be as repetative and mindless as possible....

If you have any questions then go ask Master Sun. I don't have all the documents and anything else you might demand that I scan. I'm not his personal secretary, I don't have a scanner, and I don't take orders from has-been chumps. He has the info; ask him.

All my relations

[Arod1972]

I have tried to call (numerious times) Master James Sun on his personal cell phone (he gave me when he was here in sf) and i get the American chinese Fedration leave a message message and he never returns my calls about the sf school and so forth... Where is master sun, why is he not retuning my calls?
does anyone know?
This again has left me wondering why...
And if he or someother sifu would answer my questions i might have a more positive feeling toward the system. but right now things dont look good from my perspective up here in SF, california. And remeber they owe me a month of training up here.

I do not wish to fight.

[nhbfighter_57069]

I am wondering why two people spend so much time bad mouthing Master Sun. I understand you have a beef with him and Cimino, but what good does it do stating it here. You both know that Master Sun is not a member here, so asking him to post proof is worthless and a waste of time. Sifu Cimino is also not a member here. You seem to know Sifu Cimino so why not call his school adn talk smack. You keep asking for proof that he has the system, why don't you post proof that he is not? We keep going in cricles here. You bad mouth Master Sun and call us a few names and tell us we are in a cult. We relpy by stating that you are full of s#!t. BFD, at class today I will ask my Sifu for the number of Master Sun's school in CA. I do know that it is no longer in the SF area, and moving out of the area would make this cell number change. I will give you the number ONLY if you really want to talk to him, not start s#!t. Or if you want I can give you the number of my school and you can talk to my Sifu.

[nhbfighter_57069]

I am wondering why two people spend so much time bad mouthing Master Sun. I understand you have a beef with him and Cimino, but what good does it do stating it here. You both know that Master Sun is not a member here, so asking him to post proof is worthless and a waste of time. Sifu Cimino is also not a member here. You seem to know Sifu Cimino so why not call his school adn talk smack. You keep asking for proof that he has the system, why don't you post proof that he is not? We keep going in cricles here. You bad mouth Master Sun and call us a few names and tell us we are in a cult. We relpy by stating that you are full of s#!t. BFD, at class today I will ask my Sifu for the number of Master Sun's school in CA. I do know that it is no longer in the SF area, and moving out of the area would make this cell number change. I will give you the number ONLY if you really want to talk to him, not start s#!t. Or if you want I can give you the number of my school and you can talk to my Sifu.

Pain is temporary, glory is forever

[robertwilliam]

...ask a simple question... Please remember that this whole mess was generated, by a simple question.Apparently, master sun has not announced the 5th generation grandmaster - my question has been solved.

[6hmantis]

For one thing i can tell that bfdfighter?? is a backwardasscountry****. YO Ill slow it down for you. If you have a cell phone and move the phone will still work. And I have moonysuns phone number. He wont talk because he knows hes lieing. 28 vols of 8 step stuff??? Why isen't he mentioned in any of Master Wei's books???
How come every time I ask to see any kind of credentials he looses my fax number of hes sick or he has menstral craps. When I was on very good terms with him, he couldent find the stuff. He said "must be packed away from my days of being a door to door salesmen. I have proof. The PROOF is all and I mean all of Master Wei,s stuff never ever says anything about Moonysun. So why dont any of you sheep breeders post what you have for proof??????? As for Inside Kungfu Mag. At the time mmoonysun was in the mag, Dave Cater who is the editer of the mag. Said anyone who claimed to be a martial arts and looked the part would have been published. So you look at his face and say hummm hes from China he must be a Master. The only thing you are mike is a Master ****up. Your nothing as a Martial Artest. Why dont you tell everyone how you reopened your school teaching Karate and telling all your students its Mantis??? I was there bozo. So maybe you should go back to sheep breeding. Love Ya!!!! :cool:

[nhbfighter_57069]

6hmantis,
Here we go agian. For one calling me a backwardasscountry**** is incorrect. I was born in Maspeth, Queens, New York, lived there till I was 13. I finished high school in the Twin Cities. I am in Vermillion to goto college and learn 8 step. Not quite sure how me being from Queens and Twin Cities makes me from the country. True that if you move a cell phone will still work if you move, but when you move you get the number changed so that you are not charged roaming charges. You might want to buy a dictionary though. Lieing is spelled lying, couldent is spelled couldn't, menstral is spelled menstrual, Wei,s is spelled Wei's, editer is spelled editor,artest is spelled artist, hes is spelled he's. For someone who claims to be a lawyer, you really can't spell very well. Now I understand very one makes typo's but come on now. I again state the point that Mike is not a member here so why post messages here when you know that he will not see them. Unless you whole point is to talk smack and wont have to face any reprecussions. Why don't you post proof you are really a lawyer, oh, then we might find out who you really are. When I get back to NY, I will be sure to look you up.

[nhbfighter_57069]

BFD,
I talked to my Sifu tonight and he stated that Mater Sun is teaching in the L.A. area. When the SF school burned down he was in process of moving everything there. Call information, they could give you the number to the school. I believe that a Sifu is teaching 8 step soemwhere in SF, but I am not sure where.

[kungfu cowboy]

Woo-hoo! Kung Fu Porn!!!

[6hmantis]

I hope you do sheep breader Hugs and kisses. Luv ya
Oh I have a secretary to do my spell checks in the office. I would love for you to come here. Let me know when bfd or fuc or who ever you go by. So you went there to go to school for what? oh yea sheep breading i forgot. And you hooked up with the greatest bunch of boys your money can buy. Well boy when you grow up, give me a call. I'm easy to find, I even have a mantis logo in the phone book under LAWYERS

[8stepsifu]

How do we know your a lawer?? You didn't post any proof! Your a sham, a fake, why won't you return my calls? I called and you won't call me back. What are you afraid of? Are you araid that you are a liar!!! Proove it, Post it or Shut up.


P.S. We are a cult. We are everywhere. We are your doctors, we are your insurance salesmen, we are your garbage man and plumber, we are your optometrist and grocery clerk and if you defy us again, we're gonna take your balls!!!

[This message was edited by 8stepsifu on 02-02-01 at 05:48 PM.

[This message was edited by 8stepsifu on 02-02-01 at 05:56 PM.]

[6hmantis]

You never called me so dont pat yourself on the back. I wish you would call and stop down so i can put you down in person. So stop trying to make yourself look like a biggerass then you really are. Luv YA :D

[8stepsifu]

we're gonna take your balls.

King of the Assyrians

[cgtan]

Master Wei were still teaching to a very small
group of students at least to the end of 1981.
The claim that master Wei stopped teaching after
1972 is false.
Yes, master Wei did have a number of outstanding
student. I know a number of them:
Wang (in Taipei), I heard of Sun but did not meet him until recently. I also heard of Shu when I
was learning from Master Wei (in the years he
is said to have stop teaching). According to master Wei, he had another good student.

The rule of martial art is that your should respect everyone who have sweat to perfect the art. Accusing someone not based on truth is equivalent to challenge for a fight.

It is so sad that some of my kungfu brothers get themselves involved so deeply in this 'who know the system' mess. I am so ashame of them.

If you are 8-step practitioner, please stop answering to silly question like this. You are only encouraging some losers to continue this
game.

Specially for 6hmantis, you are learning the full
6-harmony mantis if your master is not Mr. Dai.
<will you like this ? but this is the truth>