Why do Glorified Kickboxers think Glorified Kickboxing is the end all be all?

[MasterKiller]

ok im hoping to not start a flame war or anything here, if that happens i will erase this thread. ok for the past 10 years i've studied Northern Shaolin long fist, and i freaking love it, its one of the most effective forms of fighting i've trained in. it has its drawbacks which alot of my previous training has compensated for but its a good system for me and it works for me. ok now that thats out of the way.

i recently been training in Glorified Kickboxing just to see what is it all about, why so many people swear by it like it was jesus christ or something. and you know what i just dont see it. while it is a practical and effective art. it has tons of weakness's. and im not talking about ground fighting or any of that. cause in reality the floor is not someplace you want to be at in Oklahoma. anyway without getting to specific, i just dont see it. yes its a good art but no it is not the grand ultimate martial art. now there are guys on here who are gonna come at me with all sorts of crap, like oh you havent learned enough yet yadda yadda yadda yackity shmackity, just know also i have two friends who are really good Kickboxers. and lets just say what i said before, while i see its efectiveness especially in close range combat, there are alot of places where it needs to be compensated where things need to be added to make it more of an effective fighting form. just my opinion.

[lkfmdc]

I can tell by your posts that you have never studied "real authentic glofied kickboxing" (tm) and just do that McKickBox so everything you say is blah blah blah

[David Jamieson]

My glorified kickboxing style is better than your glorified kickboxing style.

that's all that really needs to be said.

[lkfmdc]

My glorified kickboxing style is better than your glorified kickboxing style.

that's all that really needs to be said.

you think that because you don't realize that I have the secret "real authentic glorified stand up method" (tm) based upon the very secret and seldom seen skill called "punching"!

[GeneChing]

in reality the floor is not someplace you want to be at in Oklahoma
All styles are good. Most aren't good for me personally, but they're still good for other people. ;)

[WinterPalm]

ok im hoping to not start a flame war or anything here, if that happens i will erase this thread. ok for the past 10 years i've studied Northern Shaolin long fist, and i freaking love it, its one of the most effective forms of fighting i've trained in. it has its drawbacks which alot of my previous training has compensated for but its a good system for me and it works for me. ok now that thats out of the way.

i recently been training in Glorified Kickboxing just to see what is it all about, why so many people swear by it like it was jesus christ or something. and you know what i just dont see it. while it is a practical and effective art. it has tons of weakness's. and im not talking about ground fighting or any of that. cause in reality the floor is not someplace you want to be at in Oklahoma. anyway without getting to specific, i just dont see it. yes its a good art but no it is not the grand ultimate martial art. now there are guys on here who are gonna come at me with all sorts of crap, like oh you havent learned enough yet yadda yadda yadda yackity shmackity, just know also i have two friends who are really good Kickboxers. and lets just say what i said before, while i see its efectiveness especially in close range combat, there are alot of places where it needs to be compensated where things need to be added to make it more of an effective fighting form. just my opinion.

Just give it time. Do you think "glorified kickboxing (tm)" is something that should come quickly? Wait till you're an advanced student doing the inner chamber back door entry training...then we'll talk.
Besides, it probably wasn't a qualified "glorified kickboxing (tm)" practioner who went up against those other styles...a true well trained "glorified kickboxer (tm)" has no weaknesses and, as such, can truly represent the style. Obviously a beginner "glorified kickboxer (tm) will not be that great a fighter and makes your arguments one sided and biased.

[lkfmdc]

Masterkiller and his students finally put up a clip!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpVJeku01uU

[sanjuro_ronin]

I don't know about anyone else, but I love kicking boxes.
:p

[lkfmdc]

I don't know about anyone else, but I love kicking boxes.
:p

that HAS to be posted with an attachment :mad:

[sanjuro_ronin]

that HAS to be posted with an attachment :mad:

I usually don't show clips of myself, but since you asked:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sMCZwTL_kA

[sanjuro_ronin]

Here I am in disguise !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbwPm-BgkvE

[MasterKiller]

Knuckleheads.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Knuckleheads.

Bah, I can trace my knuckle head lineage back 1000's of years to the very first knuckle heads that started kicking boxes in ancient China !
We also kicked boxes while on the GROUND !!
That's right !!
We have the REAL Subterranean Kick boxing !!

[bakxierboxer]

Bah, I can trace my knuckle head lineage back 1000's of years to the very first knuckle heads that started kicking boxes in ancient China !
We also kicked boxes while on the GROUND !!
That's right !!
We have the REAL Subterranean Kick boxing !!

You guys are all perverts!

Everyone (with their head in the right place) is supposed to know that a "box" is not male:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=box

It's also a (previously) well-known fact that proper boxes are to be "punched", and not "kicked"!
("kicking" is what you do with a "bad habit")
((unless it occurs during a round of vigorously "kicking it" between the sheets))
(((DANG! this is getting all kinda "circular".....)))

[sanjuro_ronin]

You guys are all perverts!

Everyone (with their head in the right place) is supposed to know that a "box" is not male:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=box

It's also a (previously) well-known fact that proper boxes are to be "punched", and not "kicked"!
("kicking" is what you do with a "bad habit")
((unless it occurs during a round of vigorously "kicking it" between the sheets))
(((DANG! this is getting all kinda "circular".....)))

AN incredibly valid point from Methusela, er, Pete.
:D
I am not a converted glorified boxpuncher !

[Shaolinlueb]

that HAS to be posted with an attachment :mad:
and i will deliver

[bakxierboxer]

AN incredibly valid point from Methusela, er, Pete.
:D
I am not a converted glorified boxpuncher !


Ah! So! (not-so?)
Whippa-Snappah!
You Rearn Krickry!

Awreez Rissen 2 Gland Masstah Uv TSMA(tm)!
Rurn Kricker!

{TSMA(tm) = "Traditional SadoMasochistic Aszkicking"}
{{which is neither Sadistic nor Masochistic because, when properly done, it "hurts so good!"}}

[sanjuro_ronin]

I am convinced !!!
See my title !
Glorified Box Puncher forever !!!

[lkfmdc]

I am convinced !!!
See my title !
Glorified Box Puncher forever !!!

I think I am more of a boxkicker (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5139&d=1236884471)

[sanjuro_ronin]

I think I am more of a boxkicker (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5139&d=1236884471)

You know, maybe it was a freudian thing, but I could have sworn I read Box LICKER !

[Hardwork108]

I can tell by your posts that you have never studied "real authentic glofied kickboxing" (tm) and just do that McKickBox so everything you say is blah blah blah

Hey, didn't MasterKiller take classes in your Glorified Kickboxing gym? Or did he just buy your DVDs? I am not sure but that might might point to the sad possibility that you teach a Glorified form of glorified kickboxing. Just when I thought things couldn't get worse.:D

[Hardwork108]

All styles are good. Most aren't good for me personally, but they're still good for other people. ;)

Wise words, Gene.:)

[lkfmdc]

You know, maybe it was a freudian thing, but I could have sworn I read Box LICKER !

carpet munchers of the world unite and throw up the ankles of oppression

or something like that

[bakxierboxer]

I am convinced !!!
See my title !
Glorified Box Puncher forever !!!

Ah! So! (not-so?)
Rippah Snappah!
Yu hav past de-tesdt!
Yu R now INdawr Rippah Snappah!
Diss meens that asz uv 2nite yu wil no ronga be trained!
(purhapsz yu wood rike to train some uv yur junyers?)
(rite oar rong)

[sanjuro_ronin]

carpet munchers of the world unite and throw up the ankles of oppression

or something like that

Here, here !
*golf clap*

[sanjuro_ronin]

Ah! So! (not-so?)
Rippah Snappah!
Yu hav past de-tesdt!
Yu R now INdawr Rippah Snappah!
Diss meens that asz uv 2nite yu wil no ronga be trained!
(purhapsz yu wood rike to train some uv yur junyers?)
(rite oar rong)

My training as a Box Puncher is complete, I have progressed to the most ancient of TCMA- BoxLicking !!!
You know what the C in TCMA stands for right?
;)

[bakxierboxer]

carpet munchers of the world unite and throw up the ankles of oppression

or something like that


I dunno........
If you do that and it makes you wanna throw up.......?

[bakxierboxer]

My training as a Box Puncher is complete, I have progressed to the most ancient of TCMA- BoxLicking !!!
You know what the C in TCMA stands for right?
;)


It's not exactly clear when you put that "C" next to an "M".....

[Hardwork108]

Bah, I can trace my knuckle head lineage back 1000's of years to the very first knuckle heads that started kicking boxes in ancient China !

The difference is that those knuckleheads eventually evolved their art into the rich and profound art of kung fu while you and your buddies still practice at a caveman level level of of understanding and logic regarding TCMAs, A FACT PROVEB BY YOUR FOLLOWING COMMENT:



We also kicked boxes while on the GROUND !!
That's right !!
We have the REAL Subterranean Kick boxing !!

[lkfmdc]

I had a friend who was a smart talker, but he really prefered to be called a cunning linguist

[Hardwork108]

ok im hoping to not start a flame war or anything here, if that happens i will erase this thread. ok for the past 10 years i've studied Northern Shaolin long fist, and i freaking love it, its one of the most effective forms of fighting i've trained in. it has its drawbacks which alot of my previous training has compensated for but its a good system for me and it works for me. ok now that thats out of the way.

i recently been training in Glorified Kickboxing just to see what is it all about, why so many people swear by it like it was jesus christ or something. and you know what i just dont see it. while it is a practical and effective art. it has tons of weakness's. and im not talking about ground fighting or any of that. cause in reality the floor is not someplace you want to be at in Oklahoma. anyway without getting to specific, i just dont see it. yes its a good art but no it is not the grand ultimate martial art. now there are guys on here who are gonna come at me with all sorts of crap, like oh you havent learned enough yet yadda yadda yadda yackity shmackity, just know also i have two friends who are really good Kickboxers. and lets just say what i said before, while i see its efectiveness especially in close range combat, there are alot of places where it needs to be compensated where things need to be added to make it more of an effective fighting form. just my opinion.

Good post. The fact is that most people who "blow the horn" in regards to the benefits of Glorified Kickboxing are people who have not trained kung fu seriously, profoundly and with an authentic sifu who was WILLING to teach them in a genuine manner. Combine that with the fact that certain aspects of TCMA take longer to "appreciate" than those of Glorified Kickboxing and the other fact that good kung fu schools happen to be very rare, then you will appreciate the overblown hype.

Also as Gene pointed out. Some people will have preferences that suite their individual characters.

Simple arts for simple minds (and spirits), perhaps?

[bakxierboxer]

I had a friend who was a smart talker, but he really prefered to be called a cunning linguist

Doesn't that smart/cunning fella usually take (at least) a coupla good test-sniffs before "assuming the position"?

(used to be a Wile E Coyote poster/t-shirt showing him with a multi-topping pizza and claiming that "Once you get past the smell, you've got it licked!")
(cursory googling did not find it!!!)
((is this a sign that all of our ancient treasured artifacts will be lost to future (de)generations?))

[taai gihk yahn]

I had a friend who was a smart talker, but he really prefered to be called a cunning linguist

I believe that he may be a relative of our good friend Colonel Angus.. (http://www.hulu.com/watch/4109/saturday-night-live-colonel-angus-comes-home).

[sanjuro_ronin]

I believe that he may be a relative of our good friend Colonel Angus.. (http://www.hulu.com/watch/4109/saturday-night-live-colonel-angus-comes-home).

Philip MaCrackin and Mike Hunt are all brothers in the same fraternity.

[Shaolinlueb]

Philip MaCrackin and Mike Hunt are all brothers in the same fraternity.

you know about their long lost brother nick, right?

[Oso]

don't you guys have jobs or anything???

and, SR, the one in white had some cellulite that detracted from the entire picture...

[David Jamieson]

if you glorify a box too much, eventually, you'll have to kick it.

[sanjuro_ronin]

don't you guys have jobs or anything???

and, SR, the one in white had some cellulite that detracted from the entire picture...

One in white ??

[Shaolinlueb]

One in white ??

i think he means this (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5139&d=1236884471)

[lkfmdc]

don't you guys have jobs or anything???



entire forum scurries like roaches when the lights come on.....

[SimonM]

I only post during work.

I have a boring job.

[sanjuro_ronin]

I only post during work.

I have a boring job.

Ditto, and I speed post, that's why my spelling is so awesome !

[SimonM]

That is why I make extensive use of the edit function. :D

[sanjuro_ronin]

That is why I make extensive use of the edit function. :D

That's just crazy talk.

[lkfmdc]

Ditto, and me speed post, that why me so ahsume !

................

[sanjuro_ronin]

................

I find your post editing quite offensive.
You Sir, shall be flogged at dawn !!

[TenTigers]

what's the differnce between a midget lawyer and gonorreah?
One's a cunning runt....

[lkfmdc]

I hate your kind, but I also hate people named Paul, I'm not sure who I hate more, execpt for your kind if they are named Paul. Daddy used to lecture us from the "good book", that book being TV Guide. He reads us the chapter "Sunday night" while wearing a tin foil hat, but I've already said too much




whooaaaaaaaa! TMI there buddy

[lkfmdc]

what's the differnce between a midget lawyer and gonorreah?



the gonorreah is less annoying....

[sanjuro_ronin]

whooaaaaaaaa! TMI there buddy

You Sir, have the boorish manners of a Yale man !!

*sings fair Harvard*

[lkfmdc]

GO YALE

too short? The above is too short?

[TenTigers]

How many New Yorkers does it take to change a lightbulb?

None of your ****ing business!

[golden arhat]

its awesome that no one is replying to hw :D keep it up!

[Kansuke]

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[anerlich]

Did Glorified Kickboxing come from Mishmashing or vice versa?

How many of you know about the external aspects of Glorified Kickboxing? Ive searched the world for a true Knucklehead master, but all I've seen is guys who didn't learn the whole Glorified Kickboxing system, only those stupid internals, but still claim to be genuine GK masters. I know they are fakes because when I ask them about the GF externals they say there's no such thing and look guilty and stupid!

Gene, can we have a Glorified Kickboxing forum?

[Drake]

What GK REALLY looks like. You all are AMATEURS! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ffs_5DMJLw)

[Hardwork108]

Gene, can we have a Glorified Kickboxing forum?

"Kung fu experts":rolleyes: such as yourself have already turned about 90% of this forum into a Glorified Kickboxing forum. What else do you want, blood?

[Hardwork108]

Maybe I should ask for royalties each time one of you guys uses the term, "Glorified Kickboxing"?:D

[anerlich]

A Google search on Glorified Kickboxing highlighted the following interesting facts:

Canada wanted to change the rules for UFC 97 to straight Glorified Kickboxing rules

The UFC is being punished for the mistakes of a Glorified Kickboxing promoter

Extreme Couture Long Island has classes in Glorified Kickboxing

Liddell, Jardine, Griffin, jackson, Bonner, CroCrop, Mark Hunt, Fedor are all Glorified Kickboxers

Some Krav Maga schools teach Glorified Kickboxing classes

Lau Gar is very similar to Glorified Kickboxing

There are disciplines called Glorified Butt-Scooting and Glorified Tae Bo

Chuck Norris's World Combat League hosted a Glorified Kickboxing Tournament in Tulsa in late 2007 / early 2008

I couldn't find any Glorified Kickboxing instructionals on Budovideos. Nothing on my Bittorrent or Google Video search either. No doubt these will come as Glorified Kickboxing becomes more popular and Knuckleheads proliferate. Beware false prophets though!

[lkfmdc]

its awesome that no one is replying to hw :D keep it up!

you should talk to him, he's probably feeling all alone by now :D

[Hardwork108]

you should talk to him, he's probably feeling all alone by now :D

No thanks, no need for him nor any of you guys to talk to me. I have said all I had to say in this thread.

As for being alone, I am having plenty of intelligent conversation (except when you briefly "forgot" that you had me on ignore and answered one of my WC posts..lol,lol) regarding, are you sitting down?- actual kung fu in the Wing Chun board with - are you still sitting down?- actual kung fu practitioners.

So I will leave you to exhaust your punch damaged brain cells pondering the "deep" mysteries of Glorified Kickboxing.

[GeneChing]

This article has a lot of embedded mp.4s and I don't know how to copy those here. :o


By Jack Slack
Oct 12 2018, 9:42am
Primer: Qiu Jianliang, the Spectacular Knockouts of China's Kickboxing Tank (https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/yw9ke5/primer-qiu-jianliang-the-spectacular-knockouts-of-chinas-kickboxing-tank)
You might not know his name, but you should.

https://video-images.vice.com/articles/5bc0bdeb7b5bc7000651bd8d/lede/1539362448310-First-Pro-Boxing-Fight-Qiu-Jianliang-vs-Narong-Bunchan.jpeg
Screen capture via YouTube

Kickboxing has been having something of a rebirth in Japan over the last few years. The birthplace of K-1 has been slowly returning to the sport with a new wave of spectacular Japanese kickboxers to replace the heavyweight heroes of K-1’s best days. Then there are the lesser Japanese kickboxing organizations like RISE and KNOCK OUT that continue to sell out smaller venues. But the curveball for old time kickboxing fans has been the explosion of interest in China. Kunlun Fight began promoting in 2014 and has hosted many of the best kickboxers in the world. Most recently Glory of Heroes—with their eight sided ring—have put on over 30 events in the space of a couple of years.


Where Kunlun Fight used to be willing to put the attention on novelty acts like the “Shaolin Monk” Yi Long, a decent crop of Chinese kickboxers is now running amuck on the world stage and chief among them is Qiu Jianliang. Jianlang was ranked by LiverKick as the number four featherweight in the world on their last round of rankings back in March, and Combat Press has him at number one in the October 2018 rankings, also including him in their pound-for-pound top ten. There’s a good chance you have heard of some of the featherweights ranked below him such as Robin van Roosmalen and Masaaki Noiri, and yet Qiu Jianliang seems largely unknown even in the niche world of kickboxing. That seems pretty unfair as he is a man who routinely delivers the most spectacular kind of violence, so let us familiarize ourselves with the style of Zhengzhou’s 147-pound "Tank."


Jianliang fights something like the protagonist of a kickboxing anime; all Spike Spiegel wheel kicks and Ippo Makunouchi head movement. Jianliang is known as “Tank” because of his stocky build and terrific strength and if you watch one of the few matches where Jianliang’s opponent doesn’t have some height and reach on him, you will be able to see him simply ragdoll his man. Every inside low kick he hit against Yukihiro Komiya or Sudsakorn had them falling out into the splits and lowering their head onto his uppercut, and every flurry of blows saw them covering ineffectively and swaying back into the ropes like a man in the rigging.

When you cut away the flash, Jianliang is somewhat reminiscent of the Nak Muay turned boxing great, Khaosai Galaxy. He’s a stocky, powerful guy who hits hard in ones and twos, and grinds his man down or turns them passive with the threat of his power. But other times he is more like Alexander Shlemenko, the Bellator old timer who got so famous for spinning techniques that he basically eschewed everything else. Attempting a wheel kick might catch a fighter by surprise, attempting a second when the first fails might catch him laughing about the missed wheel kick. A third wheel kick? Well that’s just the kind of fighter Qiu Jianliang is, for better or worse.

In recent years, Jianliang has actually added some very interesting quirks to his game. We likened him to the protagonist of Hajime no Ippo, but Jianliang might be the only person you will see in high level kickboxing laterally weaving his way in.

It is certainly a confusing look for the kickboxers he fights because bobbing and weaving is not really a part of the kickboxing game to any real degree. The threat of kicks and knees is supposed to make it a high risk/low reward tactic. Yet Jianliang is out there using lateral steps and ducking under returns like it’s no big deal.

In living up to his "Tank" nickname, Jianliang does a lot of walking his opponents down even if they have some size on him. Combining these little lateral steps with a high guard, Jianliang draws and anticipates kicks, then times his own cut kick on the standing leg. While these aren’t devastating strikes, the opponent falling to the mat certainly doesn’t hurt in the eyes of the judges and counter kicks into the standing leg are a great way to put an opponent off kicking as often as they might like.

Jianliang is also a big fan of throwing the right kick immediately off the right straight. Using the right hand to square the shoulders and hips can result in a loss of force, compared to a kick straight out of the stance with the arms fully employed in counterbalancing the motion, but the right straight often draws a defensive reaction from the opponent and hides the kick well. Typically this is less common among Muay Thai purists and more common among traditional martial artists. The simple right straight to the body into the right high kick, so that the knee almost goes over the arm, is spazzy to look at but a Jianliang staple.

I long for the day that we see more fighters with the flexibility and dexterity to do the Anthony Pettis overhead kick, but Jianliang’s ugly, effective effort is close enough.

Generally, Jianliang’s best work comes along the ropes. Mauling in those short infighting combinations, Jianliang will punish the body and then spin out of the clinch.

This is where the tremendous strength of Tank can be seen best. He whips his kick around with such force that he can often knock an opponent down by hitting them on the arm. This kick against Yukihiro was ruled to not be a knockdown because it basically threw Yukihiro off his feet when it hit his guard.

In his recent fights, Jianliang seems to have been hitting the books: his fight IQ is looking substantially higher than just a couple of years ago. Against taller opponents he will now take the pressure off momentarily and draw them forward onto counter right hands before returning to the infight. Against the top ten ranked Kaew Weerasakreck, Jianliang was able to balance aggression and evasion, flash and function, and take a clean decision. Perhaps the best example of a surprisingly sharp fighting mind to leave you with is Qiu’s knockout of the respected Kem Sitsongpeenong. Jianliang got to the inside with the taller fighter and landed a shot to the liver that made the crowd gasp. As the two broke from the clinch, Sitsongpeenong played it off well, but Jianliang drove in from long range with a back kick to the body—something he very rarely does—finding the exact same spot and earning the knockout.

Qiu Jianliang is another one of those fighters who is somewhat obscured not only by being involved in a niche combat sport, but also by a different culture and time zone. If you want to keep up with what he is doing you are going to need to find publications with their ear to the ground on the Chinese kickboxing scene, or simply give his name a search once in a while on YouTube. But on a slow week, or simply a night when you have the bloodlust but there are no good fights on, remembering Jianliang’s name will reward you with some spectacular and unique knockouts.

Jack Slack wrote the biography Notorious: The Life and Fights of Conor McGregor, and hosts the Fights Gone By podcast.

I can't resist ttt-ing this old gem with this. Thread necromancy rules.