USSD Buddha Fist Real Shaolin or Wu Shu?

[ktkungfu]

Is this a real shaolin form or wu shu?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaO9SK75QTQ&feature=related

[bawang]

lollololollololololol

[AdrianK]

Where'd that USSD thread go again?

[Almost A Ghost]

I'm pretty sure I'm incorrect, but I'm pretty sure that the form was around before their shaolin excursion and even before Tak Wah Eng. I remember seeing a form called a Buddha something and thinking it was cool. Now I view it and just slap my forehead in disbelief on how ignorant I use to be about CMA.

[ktkungfu]

I'm pretty sure I'm incorrect, but I'm pretty sure that the form was around before their shaolin excursion and even before Tak Wah Eng. I remember seeing a form called a Buddha something and thinking it was cool. Now I view it and just slap my forehead in disbelief on how ignorant I use to be about CMA.

Demasco form maybe? I figured they took it from Tak Wah Eng.

[lkfmdc]

part of the form looks like the old FU JOW PAI set, part of it looks like wushu, the rest who knows? Generally speaking, I have little respect to people who have to travel to china to pay off "monks" to claim lineage to shaolin :rolleyes:

[AdrianK]

I'm pretty sure I'm incorrect, but I'm pretty sure that

I'm pretty sure that the above statement makes no sense :D

[Almost A Ghost]

I'm pretty sure that the above statement makes no sense :D

Leave me alone! I'm tired!

[Baqualin]

Looks nothing like the Buddha Fist form we teach...ours came from The Buddha Family system, not Shaolin.....I have seen our set performed by the White Lotus Society in Indonesia.
BQ

[David Jamieson]

looks like bits and pieces of this and that strung together in a mish mash of disconcerted motion.

mostly it looks like a mutilated version of bassai dai from shotokan in a lot of places with an overtly chinese looking move thrown in here and there.

[B-Rad]

I think this youtube comment pretty much explains it:

"Yingzhaoquan, Changquan, Nanquan, Huzhaoquan all done extremely poorly mashed in with 8 Buddhist salutes"

I noticed a good chunk of the techniques/poses are in various modern wushu forms too.

The form isn't Shaolin or sport wushu, though a lot of it is found in various sport wushu forms. Maybe put together from various performances they've seen the "monks" do.

[SenseiShellie]

part of the form looks like the old FU JOW PAI set, part of it looks like wushu, the rest who knows? Generally speaking, I have little respect to people who have to travel to china to pay off "monks" to claim lineage to shaolin :rolleyes:

you're actually right. It's a Fu Jow Pai set called "Law Horn Kuen" and then it's mixed with some random form. Sifu Tak Wah Eng mixed it specially for them at I believe was his only seminar in California.

[SenseiShellie]

I'm pretty sure I'm incorrect, but I'm pretty sure that the form was around before their shaolin excursion and even before Tak Wah Eng. I remember seeing a form called a Buddha something and thinking it was cool. Now I view it and just slap my forehead in disbelief on how ignorant I use to be about CMA.

The form was taught in 99...before their excursion.

[xcakid]

The form was taught in 99...before their excursion.

Guess that's why that form did not look familiar to me. I left the system in 92.

[Almost A Ghost]

The form was taught in 99...before their excursion.

Wasn't there another form called a "1000 Buddha fists" or something to that extent before Tak Wah Eng?

EDIT: Never mind, answered my own question: "1000 Buddhas" http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb146/capemartialarts/MattKempoPage/?action=view&current=1000Buddhas.flv

[xcakid]

Ya know Frank Ley performed a Snake Fist form when GM Nick Cerios was down to promote Charlie back in the early 90's. I've always liked that form. It was very simple and seemed to have some good applications based on my observations.

[Almost A Ghost]

Ya know Frank Ley performed a Snake Fist form when GM Nick Cerios was down to promote Charlie back in the early 90's. I've always liked that form. It was very simple and seemed to have some good applications based on my observations.

This one? http://kempoinfo.com/shaolin-kempo-technique-archive/the-forms-of-shaolin-kempo-karate/the-black-belt-forms/the-snake-form/

[TenTigers]

jeez, I hope not. That was a horrorshow.

[Almost A Ghost]

jeez, I hope not. That was a horrorshow.

All those Villari-Fu forms are complete nightmares.

[firepalm]

Form imho looked like mishmash rubbish!

[Violent Designs]

This is retarded. I know a real buddha palm form.

[Almost A Ghost]

Here's another Villari-Fu form.

Warning: If you just ate lunch, please wait a 1/2 hour before viewing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIfhIObVBbI

[lkfmdc]

Here's another Villari-Fu form.

Warning: If you just ate lunch, please wait a 1/2 hour before viewing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIfhIObVBbI

proof that Americans will buy anything, no matter how ridiculous, as long as you call is "shaolin" :rolleyes:

[bawang]

his studants would havees be better off if they just pratice horse stance punching for 3 years
they defile shaolin temple

[xcakid]

This one? http://kempoinfo.com/shaolin-kempo-technique-archive/the-forms-of-shaolin-kempo-karate/the-black-belt-forms/the-snake-form/

Definitely not that one.

[SenseiShellie]

This is retarded. I know a real buddha palm form.

it's not a buddha palm form. if you would have read what I said on the other page, you would realize the form is fu jow pai based.

[SenseiShellie]

Here's another Villari-Fu form.

Warning: If you just ate lunch, please wait a 1/2 hour before viewing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIfhIObVBbI

Wow...um...so confused. what happened?

[SenseiShellie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjdmPSMUl4Q

If you were this guy's instructor, what would you tell him to do differently?

[Almost A Ghost]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjdmPSMUl4Q

If you were this guy's instructor, what would you tell him to do differently?

First thing is that he really makes it a point to rifle those strikes and kicks out there. Nice job. Seen too many people with brown and black belts at that age start just growing the motions halfway through the form.

1. Drop your stance and relax your shoulders.
2. While stepping back and doing the ridge hand blocks, do not bring his hands back to do the spear strikes, strike from where your hands are. As a brown belt you should understand your hand is already in a coiled position from the doing the ridge hand block (basic 8 point blocking w/strikes learned at yellow/orange should be referenced).
3. When stepping back and facing 9 o'clock for whatever-that-black is called, you are dropping your stance correctly but then popping up for the clear and then dropping your stance for the strike. Keep the stance at the same right through the whole segment.
4. The back fist to 3 o'clock after the side kick is done nicely, the one to 9 o'clock is rushed through. I imagine because he's getting excited about the kick that's coming up.
5. I want to say something about the flying side kick but I see he was concerned about space.
6. The upward block/spear hand is done nicely, but the downward parry from the upward block is too exaggerated and stiff, the follow up spear hand should be snuck right in after the downward parry, there is too much time between them.
7. From where you hands are in the parry and spear, perform the clearing motion form there, don't let your hands drop. Also after the clear grab right away, your letting your hands drop (again, yellow/orange basics).
8. The turn and block has no substance behind it, make it more solid, again don't let the hand drop before striking with the same hand (again, yellow/orange basics).
9. The upward back kick and upward spear hand looks goofy because they are in fact, just that goofy LOL. Always hated that ending.

[Almost A Ghost]

Here's another Shaolin Kempo guy that thinks he's doing kung fu.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5jJMF99DIs&feature=channel

Here's one of this students doing Dragon Sword Set #1. I've only seen it done in USSD schools, never anywhere else. Form never made much sense to me. I'm pretty sure it was pulled out of someone's ass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2vQiNRPgDc&feature=channel

[TenTigers]

should be pushed back in.

[SenseiShellie]

Here's another Shaolin Kempo guy that thinks he's doing kung fu.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5jJMF99DIs&feature=channel

Here's one of this students doing Dragon Sword Set #1. I've only seen it done in USSD schools, never anywhere else. Form never made much sense to me. I'm pretty sure it was pulled out of someone's ass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2vQiNRPgDc&feature=channel

WOW! um, i have never quite seen those forms look that way before...

[ktkungfu]

WOW! um, i have never quite seen those forms look that way before...

Yeah real shaolin kungfu:rolleyes: