vids from meet: 375 squat and 270 bench at 148 (total 1000)

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

well pleased with my meet today. i got best overall lifter which was ****ing awesome (total divided by bodyweight).

my total was 1000 even (365 squat, 265 bench, 370 dead). i got to do a 4th lift for both squat and bench for state record and i got 375 and 270 (they don't count towards total for that meet, but they do affect my ranking.

i have vids of the 375 squat and the 265 bench. unfortunatley suzi forgot to vid the 270 bench which is a shame because it was one of my best grinds.

375 squat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYGLvkNzt7w

265 bench:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUHsTnwPtKs

[Vash]

Excellent.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Well done muffin !

[David Jamieson]

good job!

keep going!

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

thanks guys. the best squat for a 148lber in my federation period is 430. so as of right now im only 55lbs off and number two. of course that could change through out the year, but i also plan on progressing and hope to keep that number two position. if all goes well ill have at least 4 plates on squat by this time next year, and hopefully a respectable deadlift. i'd also like to see 3 plates on bench by next year, but 300 even might be more realistic.

[Vash]

thanks guys. the best squat for a 148lber in my federation period is 430. so as of right now im only 55lbs off and number two. of course that could change through out the year, but i also plan on progressing and hope to keep that number two position. if all goes well ill have at least 4 plates on squat by this time next year, and hopefully a respectable deadlift. i'd also like to see 3 plates on bench by next year, but 300 even might be more realistic.

When has realism ever inspired greatness?

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

fair enough. 315 by next spring it is.

[eomonroe00]

thats cool, but what are your goals, this is a martial arts site, you seem to be into weightlifting competitions

im not sure how the bench press translates to martial arts, when are you ever on your back trying to push something off you in martial arts? and when is that position a good one? we do most of our strength trainging standing, bc when we fight, we stand

www.kegconditioning.com

[Mr Punch]

thats cool, but what are your goals, this is a martial arts site, you seem to be into weightlifting competitions

im not sure how the bench press translates to martial arts, when are you ever on your back trying to push something off you in martial arts? and when is that position a good one? we do most of our strength trainging standing, bc when we fight, we stand

www.kegconditioning.comLOL.

1) He likes weightlifting and martial arts. So do a lot of people.
2) A lot of TMA contain traditional weightlifting.
3) If you only fight standing up and have no experience on the ground, you may well end up in trouble. Where have you been the past 20 years of compounding proof and common sense of the last thousand or so?! :D
4) While the bench is not the most real-life transferable lift in the weightlifter's repertoire, try punching with your full weight behind it without using your chest, anterior delts or triceps at all.

So get the **** of this thread.

Great lift GDA, that bench looked effortless.

[Mr Punch]

Oh wait, I get it! Just looked at your keg site. Nice stuff. So you do do weights, you just like to do newly-packaged weights, call it something else and look down on the 100 years-plus of traditional weightlifting science out there? Well, at least you didn't link to kettlebells.

Cliches but:

It's not what you train, it's how you train.

A 330 lb stone is the same as a 330 lb barbell. A 53 lb kettlebell is the same as a 56 lb DB with a towel around it.

Now, instead of ****ing about on GDA's state champion thread, why don't you go and start a keg training thread, or a training blog people can discuss and contribute to?

[eomonroe00]

im just saying ,
bodybuilding is a sport, doesnt always translate into the martial arts world, too much muscle might be detrimental, there is a difference between body building and functional strength training, look it up,
the top guys training athletes opposed to body builders,like core performance.com or the chek institute guys, they work on functional movements crossing as many planes as possible, recruiting as many muscle groups per movement as possilbe, dont be scared of the evolution
think about it,
no insults here, my first words were compliments, just be honest with yourself

if the sun is too bright for you too open your eyes , well than, you know what you should do

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

thats cool, but what are your goals
aside from the lifting goals i already stated, i'd like to finish school so i can get back into martial arts. right now i juggle both school and work full time, along with my family. it would have been nice to be able to stay in jujitsu, but no one wants to train after 9pm. fortunately i can lift as late as i need to, even if it means i lift alone.


this is a martial arts site, you seem to be into weightlifting competitions

you have a keen eye for the obvious my friend. lets forget the fact that i've been a member of this site for a little over 10 years, and that a couple people here might actually be interested in hearing about my progress. well also ignore the fact that im excited to share my milestones with them. instead we'll focus on the fact that i put such material in the appropriate forum. this is the health and fitness section of the site, and if you'll notice its been sporting a sticky about strength training links since 2001. plus if you've read any of my other posts you'd just be happy that i wasn't talking about jerking off your grandfather or catching homeless people on fire.


im not sure how the bench press translates to martial arts, when are you ever on your back trying to push something off you in martial arts? and when is that position a good one? we do most of our strength trainging standing, bc when we fight, we stand


if this isn't a troll im not sure what to say. we'll pretend for a minute that you happen to be more uninformed than antagonistic. before i started school i did kung fu for about five years or so and then jujitsu (with a little judo and very minimal boxing) for about 2 and a half. when i got serious about weight training my performance on the matt improved exponentially. my striking was also augmented by added strength. of course there's no replacement for good technique, but i've never met a guy who's striking suffered from getting strong.


im just saying ,
bodybuilding is a sport . . . too much muscle might be detrimental, there is a difference between body building and functional strength training, look it up,


are you even in the right thread dude? im a 148lb powerlifter. although i'm fairly stocky for my height, im certainly in no danger of being muscle bound for another 50lbs or so. also most bodybuilders worth a **** are also very strong and athletic. especially the nattys.


they work on functional movements crossing as many planes as possible, recruiting as many muscle groups per movement as possilbe

the only way to recruit more muscle fibers than are recruited while squatting or deadlifting would be to figure out a way to do them simultaneously.

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

Great lift GDA, that bench looked effortless.

thanks dude . . . i wish suzi had gotten the vid of the 270 bench though. since there weren't a lot of guys going for a 4th lift, i had to go pretty quick and i bet i didnt have a half pound more in me.


While the bench is not the most real-life transferable lift in the weightlifter's repertoire . . ..

on the topic of real life cary over, i actually found one for the curl. the isometric strength gained from heavy sets of curls actually helped me when avoiding arm bars. i never would have trained curls for that reason . .. i just wanted bigger arms . . . but i swear it was true for me at least. it didnt get me out of arm bars obviously, but it improved my chances of hanging in there until i could get a better position.

[IronFist]

Impressive.

[IronFist]

im not sure how the bench press translates to martial arts,

You're right, pressing strength is never used in martial arts o.O


when are you ever on your back trying to push something off you in martial arts?

Grapple ever?

[IronFist]

Hey GDA, stop all the weightlifting! d00d u r gonna get all hyooge like arnold shwartzinager and all that muscles will make u so slow! weightlifting is bad for ur martial arts don't u know kung fu masters don't lift weights because it makes u slow!! punch with your tendons! don't use your muscles it makes u too slow!!1!1!!oneone!

[eomonroe00]

if this isn't a troll im not sure what to say. we'll pretend for a minute that you happen to be more uninformed than antagonistic. before i started school i did kung fu for about five years or so and then jujitsu (with a little judo and very minimal boxing) for about 2 and a half. when i got serious about weight training my performance on the matt improved exponentially. my striking was also augmented by added strength. of course there's no replacement for good technique, but i've never met a guy who's striking suffered from getting strong.

troll this troll that, maybe i was a little antagonistic, sorry, but we have can have an honest discussion about our differing opinions right?

i have nothing against getting strong, my beef is with conventional weightlifting, in gyms, using isolated movements, like the bench press, where most people are building shoulder and pec strength for that isolated range of motion while on your back, could you move the same amount of weight if you were standing, or holding someone down? how safe is the bench press on the wrists and joints? my training focuses not only on muslce but on connective tissue, and joints. How many people do you know with weighlifting injuries? especially guys in there 40’s?, i know a lot.

I believe if your strengthing your chest to deliver power you must also strengthen the wrist, the point at which all that power is released. I have never seen one person dong wrist or grip strength in gym settings,


also most bodybuilders worth a **** are also very strong and athletic.

They might look it but i dont beleive they can deliver on all that power they have, because of the way they have trained in isolation, the pec or bicep muscle has no way to send its power through the bodies chain of joints and connective tissue and most power is lost in transit.

My belief is you must train the body as a whole(not so much total number of muscle fibers used), like lifting a heavy object from the ground to overhead, you employ many many muslce groups, from your head to your toes, as you also do by walking while bear hugging a heavy object, dont beleive this crazy troll , go try it, home depot sells a 50 lb mason sandbag in a burlap bag for less than five bucks, that simulates a lot in the arts you study, by lifting up someone, or tossing them to the ground, the bench press might give nice shape to your pecs but you can generate a whole new world of force by, say, pushing a truck in neutral

so congrats on the lift, didnt mean to be antagonistic, thought this thread would be a good place to debate differing theories, look foward to your retort
peace

[Vash]

Howsabout you start a different thread?

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

i have nothing against getting strong, my beef is with conventional weightlifting, in gyms, using isolated movements, like the bench press . . .

calling the bench press an isolation movement is really a stretch, but you're also completely ignoring squats, deads, overhead presses, chins, dips, rows, etc. all of these lifts are compound movements designed for functional strength. there is certainly a difference between real world strength and gym strength, but these movements provide a tremendous amount of carry over and application.


how safe is the bench press on the wrists and joints?

very safe on the wrists. the bar should lay across the palm of your hand and be supported by your forearms at 90 degree angles. the wrist will be compressed, but there should be no extension strain what so ever. shoulders are normally the problem, and the risk can be reduced significantly by keeping the shoulders back and the back arched. of course one could still experience problems after long term use and abuse, but there are risks one accepts in any sport.


How many people do you know with weighlifting injuries? especially guys in there 40’s?, i know a lot.

very few, and i bet i know more lifters than you. in fact i just watched a guy in his 60s bench over 4 plates at the same meet.


I believe if your strengthing your chest to deliver power you must also strengthen the wrist, the point at which all that power is released. I have never seen one person dong wrist or grip strength in gym settings,

grip strength is developed as much as it needs to be for the sport of powerlifting through deadlifts. lifters are not known for notoriously strong grips, and its because it's not required above whats needed for deadlifting. that said, the powerlifters i know who actually do focus on grip work excel at it.


(regarding bodybuilders being athletic and powerful) . ..
They might look it but i dont beleive they can deliver on all that power they have, because of the way they have trained in isolation, the pec or bicep muscle has no way to send its power through the bodies chain of joints and connective tissue and most power is lost in transit.


you can believe what you want, but the fact remains that many natural bodybuilders are very athletic and very powerful. isolation exercises are only part of a bodybuilding regimen. most bodybuilders also do compound movements as they are the greatest overall mass builders. they just normally use higher reps than powerlifters. this holds true for many of the juicers as well, though there does come a point when so much mass makes things more difficult.


My belief is you must train the body as a whole(not so much total number of muscle fibers used), like lifting a heavy object from the ground to overhead,

olympic lifts are awesome.


walking while bear hugging a heavy object,. .. pushing a truck in neutral

strong man training is awesome.

so is powerlifting and bodybuilding. olympic lifts might serve the martial artist better by developing more explosive strength (though those who use west side principles would argue their powerlifters are also developing explosive power and speed as they focus on insuring their powerlifters can consistently jump higher as they get stronger). i would even agree that strong man training has more real world carry over than run of the mill gym strength. however, this doesn't mean that a martial artist who happens to like either powerlifting or bodybuilding, is wasting his time. getting strong can only help the martial artist no matter what the means, and someone's time is going to be better spent doing something he enjoys as a means of cross training.

[diego]

well pleased with my meet today. i got best overall lifter which was ****ing awesome (total divided by bodyweight).

my total was 1000 even (365 squat, 265 bench, 370 dead). i got to do a 4th lift for both squat and bench for state record and i got 375 and 270 (they don't count towards total for that meet, but they do affect my ranking.

i have vids of the 375 squat and the 265 bench. unfortunatley suzi forgot to vid the 270 bench which is a shame because it was one of my best grinds.

375 squat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYGLvkNzt7w

265 bench:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUHsTnwPtKs

Sweet:cool: