Wich Kung Fu Arts Where Used in The Boxer Rebelion and The Hung Societie s

[Firehawk4]

And how similar are these arts any exchange between these arts ?

[David Jamieson]

The boxers used whatever they had.

I have heard they had a thing for "spirit boxing" (whatever that is) but it's likely that they weren't any sort of formally organized and train group that used exclusive materials from say wudang or shaolin.

They likely used whatever was at hand.

And then the barrage of lead happened and that was that. :) so endeth that rebellion.

[Firehawk4]

I know that Iron Ox Southern Mantis was used in the Boxer Rebellion .

[lkfmdc]

rather than relying on random rumor, check out the reliable sources

http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/2101.php
Joseph W. Esherick
The Origins of the Boxer Uprising

Among the things he states in here is that those associated with the movement had origins in a certain "Moi Fah"/plum blossum boxing

[TenTigers]

Southern Mantis was also referred to as Plum Flower Mantis and some branches were heavily into sun-da, or spirit boxing. Their connection with the Righteous and Harmonious Fists are well documented.*



*meaning, the documents must've fallen in a well or something.

[TenTigers]

BTW- any arts connected with uprising against the Chinese Government was as$ociated with the Plum Flower, as it represented renewal of life, and hope for the future,as the plum flower blossoms while there is still snow on the ground.

[hskwarrior]

The Fut San Hung Sing Kwoon, Wing Chun and Hung Gar Schools all participated in many of the southern uprisings. many of the schools were members of the Hung Mun since there was a major branch in Fut San.

The lau bun lineage also follows the Plum Blossom pattern, sometimes referred to Bagua movement (i could be wrong in translation) but the circular footwork follows the plum blossom.

[once ronin]

I have a pitch fork, kwan dao, 4 section bin, butterfly knives and dan dao used in the rebellion.

Your question should be which school of art was involved in the rebellion.

It was not much of a war when knives and spears was used against guns.

When fighting in the masses with knives and kwan dao's I'm sure you will not see much of a hung ga stance or plum flower pattern.

The weapons I have are from England captured from this time and sold as antiques.

[diego]

I have a pitch fork, kwan dao, 4 section bin, butterfly knives and dan dao used in the rebellion.

Your question should be which school of art was involved in the rebellion.

It was not much of a war when knives and spears was used against guns.

When fighting in the masses with knives and kwan dao's I'm sure you will not see much of a hung ga stance or plum flower pattern.

The weapons I have are from England captured from this time and sold as antiques.

you ever pick up those weapons and have a flashback moment?...Like say running around your living room while pretending to kill "The Last Emperor":D:eek:

[hskwarrior]

Okay, i didn't see that one coming diego!!!!!!

The imagery of him running around his living room with his arscenal of Rebellious weapons made me choke!!!!!

[Firehawk4]

Ok I will get that book.

[hskwarrior]

This is an interesting online book.....

The Awakening of China (http://www.archive.org/stream/chinacentennial00bashgoog)

[hskwarrior]

and that Boxer Uprising book: it can be partially read here (http://books.google.com/books?id=jVESdBSMasMC&pg=PA393&dq=Full+Text+The+origins+of+the+Boxer+Uprising)

[Lee Chiang Po]

The boxer rebellion was not against the Empress of China, but against the Americans and Europeans that were forcing their culture, religions, and Opium on them. My father was a young boxer during that rebellion and he tells me that he was just one of a small group of gung fu fighters in their fighting group. There were several of these larger groups, mostly led by people of respect. He told me that of his group, most of the gung fu fighters were Hung Fa Wing Chun. And that they had learned their fighting skills while in the Imperial armies. He also told me that he was armed with a rifle as were lots of others in the group. He was lucky and barely escaped the headsman. Headsmen were paid 25 cents US for each and every head they collected from the boxers. I have seen pictures of heads stacked as tall as a man.

[lkfmdc]

My father was a young boxer during that rebellion



your father was in teh boxer rebellion? :confused:
he was in a rebellion that happened in 1900???

[TenTigers]

your father was in teh boxer rebellion? :confused:
he was in a rebellion that happened in 1900???
Ha! And you scoff at chi-gung! That'll learn ya!

[Drake]

your father was in teh boxer rebellion? :confused:
he was in a rebellion that happened in 1900???

Yes, he was. You got a problem with that, Mr. Cynical? :mad:

[lkfmdc]

Yes, he was. You got a problem with that, Mr. Cynical? :mad:

yeah, silly me to wonder if his dad was an active participant in something that happened 109 years ago :rolleyes:

[David Jamieson]

yeah, silly me to wonder if his dad was an active participant in something that happened 109 years ago :rolleyes:


um, not a big stretch if the dude is in his fifties or sixties.

we do have a couple of older guys on the forum after all.

[lkfmdc]

um, not a big stretch if the dude is in his fifties or sixties.

we do have a couple of older guys on the forum after all.

possible, but surprising dont you think?

if you were in your 60's then your dad would have had to been in his 50's at the time he had you to have been old enough to have participated.

[Drake]

Actually I did the math and it really is a BIG stretch. But hey... that's what dreams are made of! :D

[lkfmdc]

Actually I did the math and it really is a BIG stretch. But hey... that's what FANTASIES are made of! :D

an alternate way to write that ;)

again, possible, but pretty rare set of circumstances to be true

[Tid Sin]

possible, but surprising dont you think?

if you were in your 60's then your dad would have had to been in his 50's at the time he had you to have been old enough to have participated.


2 words: Hugh Hefner :p

[TenTigers]

2 words: Rik Kellerman :p

there. fixed it for ya

[David Jamieson]

possible, but surprising dont you think?

if you were in your 60's then your dad would have had to been in his 50's at the time he had you to have been old enough to have participated.

yes it is surprising.

It would be easier to understand if it was a grandfather or great grandfather at this point in time.

I'm 45 and my Grandfather was born in 1899. (rip)

My Great Grandfather was born in 1867. (rip)

So my grandfather was a mere child when those events took place, but my great grandfather would have been the right age. Only he was in Scotland at the time and so, no boxer rebellion for him!

edit: LCP has in his profile that he has trained for some 53 years. So, if he is in his 60's, well it is a possibility. However, it is unlikely that his father is still alive.

[lkfmdc]

If LCP is 69 then he was born in 1940

If his father was 15 at the time of the boxer rebellion (ie old enough to participate), then he was 55 when LCP was born

I think it's safe to say that statistically, there aren't that many 69 year olds on this board AND that a lower percentage of men have children in their 50's

Oh, and in case you don't know, Hefner was very vocal about his need for viagra, which didn't exist in China in the 1930's :eek:

[TenTigers]

Oh, and in case you don't know, Hefner was very vocal about his need for viagra, which didn't exist in China in the 1930's :eek:

whaddya sayin?!:mad:

[David Jamieson]

It's generally accepted as medical fact that the jimmy swim team in a dude are good until he's about 84 years. so, pretty much any man can be a father at any age...up to about 84.

For women, the outlook is not so good. Generally speaking, women go through menopause at roughly 50 years of age, give or take 5 years or so on average.

and so, their swimming pool no longer has any water in it for the jimmy swim team.

thanks and this has been a family appropriate message regarding how long your choo choo will work and how long the tunnel will stay open.

:D

[Tid Sin]

[QUOTE=TenTigers]Quote:
Originally Posted by lkfmdc
Oh, and in case you don't know, Kellerman was very vocal about his need for viagra, which didn't exist in China in the 1930's

whaddya sayin?! [QUOTE]



I think that's what he was sayin'! :p (j/k Rik ;))

[TenTigers]

Hey, I'll have you know that I am much stronger now than I was in my teens. When I was younger I couldn't bend it, and now I can..easily.

[Tid Sin]

I know what you mean! Back in the day, forget it......couldn't even use it as fishing bait :o But now, I can do origami with it! Great at parties & corporate events :D

Back to the OP: I'm almost 100% sure that Temple Kung Fu & Shaolin Do participated in the Boxer Rebellion & Hung Moon. My apologies if I'm inaccurate :D

[Lee Chiang Po]

your father was in teh boxer rebellion?
he was in a rebellion that happened in 1900???

He was born before 1880, and in 1900 he was in his early 20's. He was over 65 years old when I was born. I was then the youngest. He had 5 boys and 2 girls when I came along. I was adopted by himself and Mother Jude when I was 8 years old, and in 1965, on my 20th birthday he passed away from age and diabetes, at the age of between 85 and 89. There was conflicting accounts of his exact age.
He fled to Hong Kong in 1949 to avoid execution by the communists, then to San Francisco in 1950. In 51 he moved to New Orleans. He and his wife adopted me in 1953. I am sneaking up on 64 years old. He had family still living in Mainland China, but he was never able to ever go back and see them.

[KC Elbows]

I think it's safe to say that statistically, there aren't that many 69 year olds on this board AND that a lower percentage of men have children in their 50's


But a higher percentage of older chinese men in the past(and possibly now) did have children. The age spreads on many pre-one child policy families is quite wide, usually an indication of the death of a first wife and marriage to a younger wife. I have a friend from Henan who is 32, and her oldest sibling is seventy. No one there ever thought this was at all strange.

The details described are accurate. The boxers did have some guns, Europeans did pay for heads, et al. The idea that all the boxers were young is also not likely, as guanxi would be all that was needed to then involve their older relatives.

[lkfmdc]

Well, it does seem we have a case where we have an older poster whose father was older when he was born, so the match checks out... but I still was sort of shocked :D

[KC Elbows]

Well, it does seem we have a case where we have an older poster whose father was older when he was born, so the match checks out... but I still was sort of shocked :D

I know, I thought we had gotten rid of the older members long ago. I hear rumor Gene has kept four of them around, just so he can later denounce the four olds, and usher in the thousand blooming lotuses campaign. He's crafty, Gene is.

[lkfmdc]

I know, I thought we had gotten rid of the older members long ago. I hear rumor Gene has kept four of them around, just so he can later denounce the four olds, and usher in the thousand blooming lotuses campaign. He's crafty, Gene is.

LMFAO @ that /\

too bad only a few wil get that reference ;)

[KC Elbows]

LMFAO @ that /\

too bad only a few wil get that reference ;)

Yes, it is sad so few will be ready for the great teep forward.

[Yao Sing]

I'm almost 100% sure that Temple Kung Fu & Shaolin Do participated in the Boxer Rebellion & Hung Moon. My apologies if I'm inaccurate :D

I think they're both scheduled for an upcoming "Deadliest Warrior" episode. :D

[ronny]

Its important to remember that the Boxer Rebellion took place around Beijing and Tianjin, and that there was no Boxer activity in Guangdong and southern China where the Hung League was active. These were really 2 separate movements, and other than the use of martial arts and some cases, and the fact that both rooted their self-image in traditional Chinese history and culture, there aren't many substantial similarities. Also, I've read that a lot of the "kung fu" practised by some of the boxers wasn't real kung fu as we know it, or that many weren't real practitioners. Instead, a lot would induce a trance-like state that would supposedly make them impervious to damage (with tragic results). Among those who did use martial arts, they would have been the martial arts prevalent in rural northern and northeastern China at that time, and not Hung Ga or Choy Lee Fut or anything like that. Interesting question, anyway.