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1ststater
05-28-2009, 04:08 PM
Good Afternoon:

Not certain if this post is in the correct forum but here goes:

The current Kung Fu school where I train is going to open a new location. I am interested in and have chatted lightly with the owner about investing. Our school is Kung Fu based but does also have an MMA team and Cardio Kickboxing workouts.

My question is to the owners of any and all Martial Arts Academy's. What are the profit margin's, etc...with owning and running a Martial Art School

Thanks in advance for your time and response

GreenCloudCLF
05-28-2009, 05:09 PM
I would never recommend investing in a school without knowing how the current location is being run. If your instructor is unwilling to show you the books from their current location, there is probably a reason.

David Jamieson
05-28-2009, 06:08 PM
Good Afternoon:

Not certain if this post is in the correct forum but here goes:

The current Kung Fu school where I train is going to open a new location. I am interested in and have chatted lightly with the owner about investing. Our school is Kung Fu based but does also have an MMA team and Cardio Kickboxing workouts.

My question is to the owners of any and all Martial Arts Academy's. What are the profit margin's, etc...with owning and running a Martial Art School

Thanks in advance for your time and response

You're better off investing in processed food, bottled water, oil and gas etc.

profit margins for most martial arts schools are razor thin.

there are few exceptions.

taai gihk yahn
05-28-2009, 06:15 PM
Good Afternoon:

Not certain if this post is in the correct forum but here goes:

The current Kung Fu school where I train is going to open a new location. I am interested in and have chatted lightly with the owner about investing. Our school is Kung Fu based but does also have an MMA team and Cardio Kickboxing workouts.

My question is to the owners of any and all Martial Arts Academy's. What are the profit margin's, etc...with owning and running a Martial Art School

Thanks in advance for your time and response
it sounds like you are in the neighborhood of possibly making the mistake of investing in something based on personal versus pure financial interest; but if you are dead set on doing this, my advice would be to give the owner's # to your financial advisor / attorney / accountant, let them talk, and then proceed according to your person's professional assessment of the relative merits of the situation, vis-a-vis profit margins and all that stuff...

Shaolin
05-28-2009, 06:25 PM
You're better off investing in processed food, bottled water, oil and gas etc.

profit margins for most martial arts schools are razor thin.

there are few exceptions.

I agree. Many of us who do it for a living do it for the the love of what we do, not the money. If you're really interested in a profitable martial arts school join mile high karate, ata or something of that nature.

David Jamieson
05-28-2009, 07:49 PM
also, you have to include affiliation to suppliers of martial arts goods so you can turn those over to your students and so on and so forth. run lots of after school kids classes, do a lot of demos, do a load of leg work in the community and nowadays, you should probably produce a ranked fighter or two to maintain cred with the mainstream market.

it's true that most people that run martial arts schools don't do it for the money, they do it to continue their own knowledge and to keep their sport or art or both alive because they love it.

not saying you can't make a business model that turns a profit, just saying there are much more lucrative businesses to do that in.

SIFU RON
05-28-2009, 10:23 PM
Sound advice.

1ststater
05-29-2009, 03:30 AM
To All:

Thanks so much for candor advice - I will put it to good use.

Mas Judt
05-29-2009, 07:23 AM
I'd pass on the school even if the numbers were good. As a minority investor in a privately owned, single shareholder operation, you have no rights and no control.

KC Elbows
05-29-2009, 08:24 AM
I'd pass on the school even if the numbers were good. As a minority investor in a privately owned, single shareholder operation, you have no rights and no control.

Read Mas Judt's post like a million times. The teacher has all the knowledge, as an investor, you're at his whim. Will he adequately support the new location? Can he, without reducing the quality of the first location? Is it worth complicating your training time with such things, when other investments are wiser, more profitable, and leave you free to train without worrying about your investment?

GunnedDownAtrocity
05-31-2009, 03:33 AM
invest all you can.

for real you'll have invested if you did.