Korean Mantis Peeps?

[cerebus]

Anyone here from any of the Korean Mantis lineages? I spent several years training in the Shin Dae Woung lineage which comes from the Lu Shui Tien school. It combines Northern Mantis with Shantung Longfist and Bagua. It's extremely strong and powerful stuff.

[MasterKiller]

Have you been in contact with these guys?

http://www.sorimkungfu.com/

BTW, James Theros just published an introductory book on the Korean lineages.

https://secure.martialartsites.com/index.cfm?storeid=060615103555&CatID=12

It shows the Tan Tui line, one of the long forms (Small reducing fist) and discusses some history, though that section is not very detailed.

[cerebus]

Hey MK. We've talked about the Korean lineages before. I hadn't seen that site before though. Interesting.

Let's see, the forms I learned:

Eight Stances and Six Kicks training sets

Akkakuen

Pikuen Wodu Sei & Pi Chellion Hauteish (both short 2-person sets)

Shi Ho Panchi

Olkue Deis (2-person set)

San Kuan Deis (2-person set)

Sho Chiu Kuen

Tan Tey 1-12 (Tan Tui)

Bong Deis (2-person staff set)

Pa Kua 1-16 (16 Bagua linear techniques)

Chon Yon Do Deis (spear vs kwon dao)

And a variety of other sets I'd have to pull my old notes out to remember...

[Tensei85]

Anyone here from any of the Korean Mantis lineages? I spent several years training in the Shin Dae Woung lineage which comes from the Lu Shui Tien school. It combines Northern Mantis with Shantung Longfist and Bagua. It's extremely strong and powerful stuff.

Awesome! Any clips available?

[cerebus]

Not yet, but maybe soon.

[LingChuanPai]

I studied korean mantis under Sifu Carlos Aguilar and Master Chun Dae Soung. Master Chun also studied under Master Liu Shui Tien (Noo Soo Chun).
Here's a video of our beginers set Pa Chu (Ba Zhou)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6vRUN4SmpA

:cool:

[cerebus]

Awesome! My teacher was a student of Shin Dae Woung, who was a disciple of Lu Shui Tien (No So Chun) as well.

[cerebus]

Just watched the vid you linked to. I recognize the individual techniques, but never learned that particular form myself. The Koreans definitely have some very strong Mantis, at least the old-school folks anyway...

[Tensei85]

I studied korean mantis under Sifu Carlos Aguilar and Master Chun Dae Soung. Master Chun also studied under Master Liu Shui Tien (Noo Soo Chun).
Here's a video of our beginers set Pa Chu (Ba Zhou)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6vRUN4SmpA

:cool:

Awesome! Thanks for the link. Interesting...

[Tainan Mantis]

"Here's a video of our beginers set Pa Chu (Ba Zhou)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6vRUN4SmpA"


ba zhou as in 8 Elbows?
That isn't usually a beginner form.
I didn't recognize this version.

Here is a clearly filmed version that relates to most all other versions of 8 Elbows that I am aware.

This is the 1st section

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq4a1yUadGY&feature=related

Here is the first and second section.
Completely different school but still the same form.
In this vid he does almost half the form.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOFVofAiu_I&feature=related

[LingChuanPai]

Tainan....Yes its the Eight Elbows form. However, it differs greatly to the more advanced set such as the one you posted. Thanks btw for posting them.
Our system has Mei Hua and Taiji tanglang as well as Ba Gua flavor. The Korean name for the sysytem is Sib Pal Gi (18 Weapons system).

[Tainan Mantis]

Hi LingChuan,
My shifu has spent time with the Korean mantis folks in Taipei as well as Korea.

He teaches us a form from Korean Mantis called Little four hands.

Do you recognize it?
It is a short two man form, maybe Korea only teaches the 2 man version?

Here he performs in Brasil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBqdAZorYWM&feature=related

[cerebus]

I learned a variety of 2-person sets, including several short ones. All of the moves he does in that video are in our sets, but I don't recognize that particular form...

[LingChuanPai]

we do this form, tho slightly different. Also called little four hands.

[PlumDragon]

Hope Im not responding to this thread too late. I spent time training with the So Rim guys when I was in high school. Paired with traditional Tang Soo Do, its an interesting system and probably considered a VERY odd pairing, but I have fond memories of the training, especially the weekend trips up to the sand dunes in CO. Coincidentally, there is actually a picture of my old teacher on that sorim website. He doesnt actually teach anymore and I didnt think he even talked to Jung past about 2000, so maybe the whole group is coming back together after all these years...

Cerebus, you mentioned the Tan Tui forms. My experience was that the version of Tan Tui out of So Rim are different than the Tan Tui one would learn in Northern Long Fist, some varieties of Northern Mantis, etc etc...Very similar but different enough to be noticed by the casual observer.

[MasterKiller]

Cerebus, you mentioned the Tan Tui forms. My experience was that the version of Tan Tui out of So Rim are different than the Tan Tui one would learn in Northern Long Fist, some varieties of Northern Mantis, etc etc...Very similar but different enough to be noticed by the casual observer.

Right, the Korean tan tui set is not the same as the standard 10 and 12 lines one would normally expect to see.

[cerebus]

Cerebus, you mentioned the Tan Tui forms. My experience was that the version of Tan Tui out of So Rim are different than the Tan Tui one would learn in Northern Long Fist, some varieties of Northern Mantis, etc etc...Very similar but different enough to be noticed by the casual observer.

Yes. Some of the lines don't seem to have any equivalent in the other versions of Tan Tui that I've seen, but most of them are identifiable as being slight variations from the more common styles.