Yuen Kay San Flow

[Yoshiyahu]

Below is a video of Mainland China WC. Its very different than Yip Man's I do not know yet if they are Yuen Kay San lineage or not. But it shows endless flowing techniques.

Do you guys practice the flow like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSSchiFlSy0

In Yuen Kay San we are taught to flow. We are taught to eliminate rigidness and stiffness. But we use senstitivity to flow endlessly like stream of water that doesn't stop. Our attacks and defense continously flow through, around and into our opponent like the blowing of the wind or crashing of waves coming unto land destroying the homes near the water front.


Does anyone else practice their WC like this?

[hunt1]

All wing chun flows or should. Is this vid a good example or is this how everyone looks while learning to flow? Don't know each school and group of people will look a bit different.

[stonecrusher69]

Below is a video of Mainland China WC. Its very different than Yip Man's I do not know yet if they are Yuen Kay San lineage or not. But it shows endless flowing techniques.

Do you guys practice the flow like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSSchiFlSy0

In Yuen Kay San we are taught to flow. We are taught to eliminate rigidness and stiffness. But we use senstitivity to flow endlessly like stream of water that doesn't stop. Our attacks and defense continously flow through, around and into our opponent like the blowing of the wind or crashing of waves coming unto land destroying the homes near the water front.


Does anyone else practice their WC like this?


Yes.. same idea..there are different levels to the flowing not all are the same

[Wu Wei Wu]

The clip is not YKS Wing Chun. I think it is Yip Man line, albeit with some added spice - perhaps Pan Nam influenced.

Suki

[Phil Redmond]

Below is a video of Mainland China WC. Its very different than Yip Man's I do not know yet if they are Yuen Kay San lineage or not. But it shows endless flowing techniques.

Do you guys practice the flow like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSSchiFlSy0

In Yuen Kay San we are taught to flow. We are taught to eliminate rigidness and stiffness. But we use senstitivity to flow endlessly like stream of water that doesn't stop. Our attacks and defense continously flow through, around and into our opponent like the blowing of the wind or crashing of waves coming unto land destroying the homes near the water front.


Does anyone else practice their WC like this?
Everyone does I hope.
In this clip they restarted when contact was broken but the flow is there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Elvan0WouZE&feature=channel_page

In this clip contact was broken on purpose at intervals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYFiNNXTD4Q&feature=channel_page

[Mr Punch]

That's no different to one of the ways we always did chi sao in my first (Yip Man) school. Still do when I have a willing partner, sometimes. The only difference is they are staring at their own hands which we would say is a no-no.

[Mr Punch]

Everyone does I hope.
In this clip they restarted when contact was broken but the flow is there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Elvan0WouZE&feature=channel_page

In this clip contact was broken on purpose at intervals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYFiNNXTD4Q&feature=channel_pageThose are very different examples of flow to Yoshiyahu's post IMO. No value judgement: they both have their uses. I'm busy now so I'll keep you in suspense as to why they are different if you can't see it! :D

[Hendrik]

Does this type of flow works well facing mma? of bjj?

[Phil Redmond]

Does this type of flow works well facing mma? of bjj?
Of course not MMA and BJJ people are invincible. Nothing can work against them. :rolleyes:

[Pacman]

Below is a video of Mainland China WC. Its very different than Yip Man's I do not know yet if they are Yuen Kay San lineage or not. But it shows endless flowing techniques.

Do you guys practice the flow like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSSchiFlSy0

In Yuen Kay San we are taught to flow. We are taught to eliminate rigidness and stiffness. But we use senstitivity to flow endlessly like stream of water that doesn't stop. Our attacks and defense continously flow through, around and into our opponent like the blowing of the wind or crashing of waves coming unto land destroying the homes near the water front.


Does anyone else practice their WC like this?

i dont think in the YM lineage they are anti "flowing". im sure that is the way it is supposed to be. that is one of the essences of any soft style. continuous motion. in tai chi this concept is taught through 'silk reeling'

i think you dont see this in many YM lineages is that the quality control is horrible. anyone can be called a sifu and teach. who is to stop you. many of the current teachers are bad. and there teachers are probably bad too. they were taught this way.

the problem also probably lies in the fact that YM was really an expert in the chung choi (chain punch) and not so much in sticky hands. to defeat most CLF and Hung Gar fighters good footwork and a fast chung cho is all you really need. he learned sticky hands from yuen kay san for a few months before he went to HK to teach.

[Hendrik]

n expert in the chung choi (chain punch) and not so much in sticky hands.

to defeat most CLF and Hung Gar fighters good footwork and a fast chung cho is all you really need.

he learned sticky hands from yuen kay san for a few months before he went to HK to teach.


Have you Get you facts straight before post something like these.

[hunt1]

he learned sticky hands from yuen kay san for a few months before he went to HK to teach.



Nonsense ! YKS learned from Ng Chung So just like Yip Man and Yui Choi.

In fact the physical evidence supports that the basic rolling platform comes either from Ng Chung So or from the joint training YM ,YKS and YC did together. In fact the basic rolling is even part of the Chum Kui that YC learned from NGS.

Also Yip Man did not go to Hong Kong with the purpose of teaching. He went to HK to avoid the communists. He fell into teaching as a way to make some money many months after he moved to Hong Kong and it was only the chance meeting with Leung Sheung and the group he was teaching that lead to YM starting to teach.

[Pacman]

yes i did not mean he went to HK for the sole purpose of teaching.

i did not mean that only YKS knew sticky hands, but that YKS was much more advanced at it than YM and for a while YKS was helping YM refine his sticky hand skills before YM went to Hong Kong

[Pacman]

Have you Get you facts straight before post something like these.

you please get you facts straight before you post these stuffs

[Hendrik]

you please get you facts straight before you post these stuffs


OK.

The following is what you post.


he learned sticky hands from yuen kay san for a few months before he went to HK to teach.



I hope you have enough evidence to back you accusation with

http://www.vingtsun.com.hk/

or verify your accusation on Gm Yip with the following email

vtaa@vingtsun.org.hk






BTW, To make the comment as the following is just showing your ignorance big time.




to defeat most CLF and Hung Gar fighters good footwork and a fast chung cho is all you really need.

[Pacman]

are you hendrik santo?

[Mr Punch]

The clip is not YKS Wing Chun. I think it is Yip Man line, albeit with some added spice - perhaps Pan Nam influenced.Like I said, I don't really see any added spice; just plain old Yip Man of some line or other.

You said it's not YKS - what makes you say that, what are the (at least visible) differences in chi sao, would you say?

[Mr Punch]

i think you dont see this in many YM lineages is that the quality control is horrible. anyone can be called a sifu and teach. who is to stop you. many of the current teachers are bad. and there teachers are probably bad too. they were taught this way.Good job we've got people like you to set us straight then, eh.


...the problem also probably lies in the fact that YM was really an expert in the chung choi (chain punch) and not so much in sticky hands.Source?


to defeat most CLF and Hung Gar fighters good footwork and a fast chung cho is all you really need.I'm sure you've defeated countless CLF and Hung Gar practitioners this way with ease and will be (here it comes...! :D ) posting video evidence!


he learned sticky hands from yuen kay san for a few months before he went to HK to teach.Was that it? Source?


i dont think in the YM lineage they are anti "flowing". im sure that is the way it is supposed to be. that is one of the essences of any soft style. continuous motion. in tai chi this concept is taught through 'silk reeling'
**** me, you managed to post something about the topic. There are many ways of doing chi sao.

In general, congratulations: your post has won a big fat :rolleyes:

[duende]

he learned sticky hands from yuen kay san for a few months before he went to HK to teach.



Nonsense ! YKS learned from Ng Chung So just like Yip Man and Yui Choi.

In fact the physical evidence supports that the basic rolling platform comes either from Ng Chung So or from the joint training YM ,YKS and YC did together. In fact the basic rolling is even part of the Chum Kui that YC learned from NGS.

Also Yip Man did not go to Hong Kong with the purpose of teaching. He went to HK to avoid the communists. He fell into teaching as a way to make some money many months after he moved to Hong Kong and it was only the chance meeting with Leung Sheung and the group he was teaching that lead to YM starting to teach.

Thanks Hunt1,

Finally some common sense!

[Hendrik]

are you hendrik santo?



It doesnt matter who am I for this discussion, isnt it?

What is your real name? why do you make such an accusation on late Gm Yip?

[Liddel]

i think you dont see this in many YM lineages is that the quality control is horrible.

I personally dont think a lack of quality control is limited to one lineage, you seem a little bias there bud. If it came down to per capita perhaps not...i mean obviously more people do Ip Man VT so....

And there are differnt types of flow as previously mentioned....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84_BXI-e73A&feature=channel_page

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBGy5gLBk3c&feature=channel_page

Different approaches, but flowing none the less.



the problem also probably lies in the fact that YM was really an expert in the chung choi (chain punch) and not so much in sticky hands

If what you say is true (which i dont believe) then wow YM learnt good sticking hands in just a few months :eek: hes either awesome student or YKS and fabulous teacher....:o

IMO flow isnt the be all and end all, there are several problems i have with the first clip...like crossing ones hands often, flying elbows, looking at the hands as i think you mentioned, guy kicks without disrupting opponents horse first (or rather raises leg) etc etc.

Sure the flow looks good but there are many bad habbits they should try to eliminate there....this is just for the sake of discussion though clearly they are students drilling and improving - hell for all we know it could be thier second week training.... if so - then dam thier good LOL :p

Its all relative.

DREW

[Edmund]

Nonsense ! YKS learned from Ng Chung So just like Yip Man and Yui Choi.


That would be incorrect.
YKS learnt from Fok Bo Chuen and Fung Siu Ching.

[hunt1]

Quote:
Originally Posted by hunt1 View Post
Nonsense ! YKS learned from Ng Chung So just like Yip Man and Yui Choi.
That would be incorrect.
YKS learnt from Fok Bo Chuen and Fung Siu Ching.


YKS schools in Mainland China have acknowledged for years that YKS learned from NG Chung So.
As for learning from Fok Bo Chuen and Fung Sui Ching that depends on who you talk to. Several early Sum Nung students have stated that YKS never learned from FBC. Only from NCS and FSC. . In China they all that I have seen say NGS most say FSC and all say his brother as well.


The most curious thing is that these conflicting stories were around while Sum Nung, was still alive. So is it any wonder that there can be so many different YM stories when he has been dead for over 35 years and taught hundreds of students?

[Edmund]

YKS schools in Mainland China have acknowledged for years that YKS learned from NG Chung So.


Which schools?

[reneritchie]

1. NOT Yuen Kay-San or Sum Nung WCK

2. YKS didn't learn from Ng Chung So. Sorry, Hunt1, complete BS manufactured later.

No early Sum Nung WCK students say that, unless they never bothered to learn the history (many didn't care) and just believed the uninformed articles that came out later.

From Sum's earliest students, through the 50s, 60s, and 70s, they all have the same history, Fok Bo-Chuen and Fung Siu-Ching.

Aside from that, Ng Chung-So's WCK is different, more like Chan Wah-Shun WCK -- of course. ;)

[Yoshiyahu]

Thank you ritchie...



1. NOT Yuen Kay-San or Sum Nung WCK

2. YKS didn't learn from Ng Chung So. Sorry, Hunt1, complete BS manufactured later.

No early Sum Nung WCK students say that, unless they never bothered to learn the history (many didn't care) and just believed the uninformed articles that came out later.

From Sum's earliest students, through the 50s, 60s, and 70s, they all have the same history, Fok Bo-Chuen and Fung Siu-Ching.

Aside from that, Ng Chung-So's WCK is different, more like Chan Wah-Shun WCK -- of course. ;)

[JT1125]

According to Leung Dai Chiu (one of Sum Num's early student), whom i just vistited last week, Yuen Kay San learned from FOK BO CHUEN and FUNG SIU CHING

[Yoshiyahu]

According to Leung Dai Chiu (one of Sum Num's early student), whom i just vistited last week, Yuen Kay San learned from FOK BO CHUEN and FUNG SIU CHING

thank you JT are you Yuen Kay San practictioner?