How should YOUR Kung Fu, look optimally?

[AdrianK]

Post a video, one that you made, or found on youtube, or whatever, on what you feel your kung fu should look like optimally, in a real fight.

Easy enough, sound good? Lets see some opinions on what people feel is "Good" Kung Fu.

[David Jamieson]

Post a video, one that you made, or found on youtube, or whatever, on what you feel your kung fu should look like optimally, in a real fight.

Easy enough, sound good? Lets see some opinions on what people feel is "Good" Kung Fu.

You first. :p

[Lucas]

will the internet burn down if i post a shaw bros clip?

[AdrianK]

You first. :p

lol, Sure. I'd honestly need way more than one video to be able to do that, though.

But for hands...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN26fJqvoRQ
Sugar Ray Leonard vs. Thomas Hearns
I'd like my hands to look similar to this in terms of flow and reaction time. But whats important here is how well each fighter flows, how they react, how they deal with being hit.

I think the concepts of some kung fu styles, with skills like the video above, would be unimaginably powerful.

[hskwarrior]

it should look like this...
http://media.timeoutnewyork.com/resizeImage/htdocs/export_images/661/661.web.gay10.rollerblade.jpg?

[cerebus]

This...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfUFYtXNN0A

A prime example of what my instructor calls "empty-body" skills (though with a bit too much "showboating" in my opinion)...

[cerebus]

Roy had some nice empty-body skills too, and alot of good full-body power

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDWnMXzgeZo

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Kick,Punch, Lock, Throw...call ambulance for opponent.

[MasterKiller]

I would love for my Kung Fu to look like Andersen Silva:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXiV3OSedDc&feature=related

That man sh1ts skill from effort.

[David Jamieson]

I think it would be hard to beat shaolin monks or wudang monks for what kung fu should look like. How ever we all don't have as much time to put into our training. A cool ideal in my opinion as A add on to this post is to attach a current video of our self's now and link it to what we are trying to get are kung fu to look like. Maybe repost a video every 3 months to see if were progressing towards our goals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHtWpQn0swE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxl0Spm0hmI

To be fair, I've never seen a Shaolin monk fight. I saw one defend himself ok against a flamboyant tkd kicker, but haven't actually seen a monk in a real combat situation...ever, come to think of it.

anybody got a clip of a shaolin actually fighting in a venue?

[sanjuro_ronin]

My kung fu looks exactly like it is suppose to look, for me.

[David Jamieson]

My kung fu looks exactly like it is suppose to look, for me.

Your kungfu lies in the realm of pseudo porn doesn't it? :p

one day, you'll go full porn and the secrets of the universe will pour out of your head like butter off of hot toast.

true story.

p.s my kungfu looks good I don't care what anyone says. It certainly works ok, and frankly, I don't care what it looks like. It's like a reliable car, not that great looking, but runs good, is economical and will get you there for sure!

[lkfmdc]

Unfortunately, I don't have any clips up so I can't play (http://www.youtube.com/user/nysanda)

[WinterPalm]

I'm happy with this performance despite being way over trained. So I guess this is what it looks like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZUt8AkR7qY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2F

[xcakid]

Post a video, one that you made, or found on youtube, or whatever, on what you feel your kung fu should look like optimally, in a real fight.

Easy enough, sound good? Lets see some opinions on what people feel is "Good" Kung Fu.


Kung Fu always included weapons for fighting. The problem is the weaponry of traditional kung fu never evolved with the times.

Given your question, for fighting in a self defense or even offense situation. My kung fu should look and does look somewhat like(since I have taken training at this place among other) the training here. www.tftt.com

[AdrianK]

^
Nice! I love my kung fu M4 style :D

[Lucas]

To be fair, I've never seen a Shaolin monk fight. I saw one defend himself ok against a flamboyant tkd kicker, but haven't actually seen a monk in a real combat situation...ever, come to think of it.

anybody got a clip of a shaolin actually fighting in a venue?

how about shaolin sanda fighters.

i just recently watched the shaolin episode of fight quest, they have a couple of their sanda fighters fight the mma guy and the military guy.

the pro mma guy even said and i quote ' these guys are legit strikers'

edit: the sanda fighters arent monks of course, but one would assume they recieve the same sanda training any monk would. its funny as i type this i see some sort of buddhist monk walking through my parking lot in some grey monk robes with his shaved head. i want to go spar him!...even though im sure hes not a MAist....well, fairly sure anyway..

[Lucas]

Shaolin Sanda (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk87VUCDUZc)

1:10 & 2:58 same technique, arm sweep, straight out of a crapload of shaolin forms. for instance, that sweep is scattered throughout your longfist material.

Shaolin Sanda (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzmp_V6xmlc&NR=1)

this one has a soundtrack!

i dont doubt that the guys fighting in these clips have shaolin material in their background, dont know if they are monks or not. though note, interestingly enough, that when they fight they dont look much different than other styles. a few odds and ends here and there, but hey, its fighting.

[Lucas]

muay thai vs kungfu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7obBiuGW_Q&feature=related)

this ones cool, you can really see the flavor difference between the two fighters.

[Lucas]

not really related but im on a clip kick.... :rolleyes:

muay thai shin conditioning comparison (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN5TKP9EJM8&feature=related)

anyone speak russian/bosnian/romanian or what ever they are speaking?

kick the tree much? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wcTrmW9OLE&feature=related)

[Lucas]

man when he knocks on that guys shin, it sounds like hes knocking on an oak door.

[sanjuro_ronin]

man when he knocks on that guys shin, it sounds like hes knocking on an oak door.

Bah, that's puny **** !
I hit my shins with assorted woodland creatures, big mofu's too, like raccoons and badgers.
They make a much cooler sound.

[David Jamieson]

not really related but im on a clip kick.... :rolleyes:

muay thai shin conditioning comparison (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN5TKP9EJM8&feature=related)

anyone speak russian/bosnian/romanian or what ever they are speaking?

kick the tree much? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wcTrmW9OLE&feature=related)

tree kicking = crap. it's a small coconut tree and therefore quite soft still, they don't really get hard until they are over 20 feet in height. If he did it on a tall full grown palm or an ash tree or banyan, I would be way more impressed. lol. Besides that, his technique is poor.

the other one (the russian one) above that is typical of the training to deaden all the nerves in the leg.

If you really want to condition your shins up great inside of a year, and improve your cardio stamina at the same time, play soccer! lol

lol. tcma has methods as well which are included in iron training regimens. The thing i like about the tcma approach to this conditioning is that it is much more refined and does way less damage.

the MT methods work fast, but they are primitive and damage the person pretty much forever. iron skills in tcma do not do this and leave the person conditioned and still supple at the end of it all. Takes longer doing it the tcma way though. the MT guys and others fight as soon as possible and the methods are drastically shortened.

Probably why there aren't many for real MT fighters passed the age of 30 out there. lol

You'll see far more kungfu people doing their kungfu at 75 than you will ever see sport fighters still competing or even training much at that age.

really it's all about what your goals are in MA. And you can address a few different lines over your lifetime. When you're young, go out and fight, a lot. When you're middle aged, refine your body, make it more supple and healthy and when you are old, maintain through your methods.

[Lucas]

ive kind of always wondered at the adverse effects of the thai conditioning. it seems pretty harsh to me.

[sanjuro_ronin]

ive kind of always wondered at the adverse effects of the thai conditioning. it seems pretty harsh to me.

I know a few MT guys that used to fight and are now in their 50's and 60's, they are just fine.

[Lucas]

at some point did they just stop the conditioning?

i would assume bone conditioning like that will stick with you though right?

[David Jamieson]

I know a few MT guys that used to fight and are now in their 50's and 60's, they are just fine.

do they still practice?

[sanjuro_ronin]

do they still practice?

Yep, they don't fight obviously, but like older boxers, they hit the bag and pads and spar, sure, why not?

[sanjuro_ronin]

at some point did they just stop the conditioning?

i would assume bone conditioning like that will stick with you though right?

Most MT conditioning is done VIA training ie: pad work, bag work and such.

[Pork Chop]

The Muay Thai guys I know that are busted up from the training (like myself) - aren't busted up from what you'd think.

I don't have arthritis from punching stuff, neither do my friends & coaches.
Our shins don't ache from kicking stuff hundreds of thousands of times.

I hurt my hip working on the elliptical, tweaked my shoulder lifting weights, have a bad back from sitting at a desk all day - not from the conditioning.

Yes, the shin conditioning does tend to stay a pretty long time afterward, though I hear bone cells are completely replaced every 7 years.

[TenTigers]

lol. tcma has methods as well which are included in iron training regimens. The thing i like about the tcma approach to this conditioning is that it is much more refined and does way less damage.


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[Shaolin Wookie]

I've often wondered whether hitting/kicking the "settled" part of a heavy bag is more effective than hardcore iron bone. Just for kicks, I do both. But sometimes they work against one another.

1--you often can't train the bag after iron bone--you irritate your skin a little and you have to avoid bruising. Plus, if you cut your knucks--it happens, even lightly sometimes,-- it really sucks when it scabs up. No more training the hands that week. The worst you can get from barehands to the bag is some skin irritation. Goes away by your next session anyways. ANd if you just wear handwraps, it's basically teh same. But when your hands are irritated, you don't do iron bone, because you're more liable to cuts, and the skin irritation isn't good with herbs.

2. The best part of kicking/punching the bad is you're working your muscles and toughening up your legs anyway for repeated blows. Esp. the shins.

3. Gotta take kicks to your leg to weather your thighs. Hard to train that realistically unless someone kicks you. Best you can do alone is to whack them with some numchuks...LOL.

[Shaolin Wookie]

I always thought this dude, early on, showed how your techniques should be used. Excellent counters and a nose for sweeps. You can tell he spent more time learning how to judge body positions and offensive tactics for countersweeps and countertechs, rather than drilling empty forms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t79LvFY769o

He turned into a pointfighter and kickboxer later to demonstrate his versatility. But those early fights--yeah, how we should all train. Granted, he's relying on tournament tactics for his counters--high kicks, spinning kicks, etc. But he's also using them effectively.

He doesn't wait to work crappy kickboxing techs against karate striking. He's using iron brooms, backsweeps, hell, even 360 kicks to land on the ribs/lower back. When he lands, he's usually in position to follow up. Think how many 360 kicks youve seen land in TKD tourneys where a failed KO puts the kicker in jeapordy. He's got a nice sensitivity for angles of attack and defense.

That's practical training.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0CIy9ZZEQE

His evasiveness and agility are something to envy--forms reinforce that, but I imagine he practiced ducking kicks and studying how to judge the heights of kicks for specific counterattacks, since he's not catching any of them via a block. Only comes from one-on-one kind of training.

I don't expect to become the next Cung Le or cagefighter. For the way I train, the arts I train, I think this guy's a pretty good model for how my techniques should look. "Only, I'm more offensive-minded.

[Shaolin Wookie]

However, I didn't arive at formlessness without form. You can't throw away or transcend what you don't have. There is nothing remarkable about the way I fight. It doesn't look like anything. I could not have done this without first having practiced kung fu at fighting speed in low stances doing the same move 1000 times. The inner secrets were revealed to me by myself by doing horse stance for long periods of time. No one can do kung fu like I do because I don't have a way of doing anything. I have no expression or preference or style. I am my opponents intentions.




Andy? MAster Andy with the Judo katana?

I agree, you can't transcend what you don't have.

Say....like a point, or something arriving at common sense, or perhaps a life.:rolleyes:

I intend to **** you up. So are you ****ed up? Or are you a f*&^up?;)

[David Jamieson]

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The indirect methods. They've been described to death here.

Of course, there are direct methods as well. heated urns filled with stones and thrusting your hands into them. Those have been described as well for the most part.

kicking trees, breaking, etc etc. These are all direct methods and akin to what is used in MT for conditioning drills by far too many. As far as I know, pros do not use these methods, but every crazy hack on youtube will endorse the dumbest regimens and people catch on to that action because they aren't patient enough to find a good teacher and do the method as prescribed.

the rope striking from the shown 2nd clip is closer to what the tcma use.

slow, low impact, long duration, hardening exercises.

If the path is accelerated in a sportive approach, mistakes can be made easier on an accelerated approach, which in turn leaves lasting injury or deformation.

Now, I'm not saying that is the case with all MT, because it's not, but I have seen guys who train it who do crazy stuff in order to condition. Too much hard force exertion for conditioning is not the correct in my opinion.

punching steel? = stupid
kicking hardwood trees = good way to kill your nerve endings which is large damage for small gain.
constant breaking = crappy approach

There are better ways, they take a little more time to develop the wanted conditioning.

Going to hard, too fast will get you injuries up the yin yang.

other than that, mindful practice in anything gains a profit!

[taai gihk yahn]

You couldn't tell that it was a martial art
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