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CLFMan
07-09-2009, 04:09 AM
Aside from a stretching program are there any proven supplements that help increase flexibility? Anything on the market that will help?

I see Chondroitin but is that for joints? Will that help? I also heard fish oils might help.

esox
07-13-2009, 09:18 AM
Aside from a stretching program are there any proven supplements that help increase flexibility? Anything on the market that will help?

I see Chondroitin but is that for joints? Will that help? I also heard fish oils might help.

fish oils definitely have a massive effect but cannot be tolerated by the average human taste bud, if anybody knows of anything as effective but without the obvious draw backs I may also be interested

IronWeasel
07-13-2009, 10:32 AM
fish oils definitely have a massive effect but cannot be tolerated by the average human taste bud, if anybody knows of anything as effective but without the obvious draw backs I may also be interested



Flax seed oil. In the bottle, not the capsules. The one kept in the refrigerator.

2 tablespoons per day will lubricate the joints, and reduce the pain from injuries and arthritis inflammation.

It isn't Delicious....but it isn't too bad, though.

Lucas
07-13-2009, 10:35 AM
ive never used either fish oil or flax seed oil.

which has a more potent effect? taste isnt really an issue for me.

David Jamieson
07-13-2009, 11:27 AM
Just do your yoga man.

Lucas
07-13-2009, 11:32 AM
never!

ill do a yoga woman, but never a yoga man!

sanjuro_ronin
07-13-2009, 12:10 PM
Stretching is for gymnast, forms champions and tight assed women in leggings !!

taai gihk yahn
07-13-2009, 12:38 PM
don't know about supplements, but in general "tightness" is due to facilitated muscles in a given area: e.g. - hip adductors, hip flexors in the pelvis, hamstrings in the legs, pecs / lats in the shoulders, are typically "tight" due to the way in which we tend to organize biomechanically in gravity, both during normal function and as the result of trying to prevent loss of balance and / or recovering from / compensating for injury) - "stretching" therefore really has more to do w/decreasing the degree of resting hypertonicity in a given muscle then it does w/elongating non-contractile connective tissue (that happens more at the far end of range of a muscle, or if there is genuine joint capsule contracture due to clinical issues (not typically the case in the normal population);

one simple way to manage this is via the good old "contract/relax" method, which, if preceded by putting the target muscle on slack for ~90 sec. before actively stretching it, will typically get you good and lasting results; also, "cleaning up" injuries / imbalances (via manual or exercise therapy) will help a lot as well;

IronWeasel
07-13-2009, 12:55 PM
ive never used either fish oil or flax seed oil.

which has a more potent effect? taste isnt really an issue for me.



I've never tried fish oil, but from what I've read it's pretty much the same. Flax seed oil contains omega-3 fatty acids (for increased fat burning), and phyto estrogens (for joint lubrication). I've mega dosed flax oil every day for a five month period...the only effect that I noticed was the pain in my rotator cuff went completely away. Stayed away for a while after as well.

I don't have much fat on me, so I can't attest to it's fat burning qualities.

Lucas
07-13-2009, 01:04 PM
i ask mainly not for flexability increase, but i have a couple banged up joints that can be annoying. ive never tried any suppliments to ease the discomfort, but ive been considering it this last year.

David Jamieson
07-13-2009, 01:52 PM
Seane Corn is a fairly hot yoga women too.

Not too many ultra sexola pics of her though...surprisingly. lol

IronWeasel
07-13-2009, 03:17 PM
i ask mainly not for flexability increase, but i have a couple banged up joints that can be annoying. ive never tried any suppliments to ease the discomfort, but ive been considering it this last year.


If you have rheumatoid arthritis or osteoarthritis, the flax oil should help. Most people I've talked with don't really consider arthritis to be the cause, because they're 'young', in their 30's. But you won't know for sure without testing/MRI, etc.

It's like $9 for a quart, which will last a few months. Well worth looking in to, and if it doesn't help you, you're only out a few bucks.


And it's SO yummy! :mad:

Lucas
07-13-2009, 03:45 PM
im gonna look into it. thanks

to quote iron mike

'i have some pain im going to have to live with for the rest of my life..'

taai gihk yahn
07-13-2009, 04:39 PM
I'm guessing that the flax seed / omega-3's have generalized anti-inflammatory properties, which could certainly explain why someone's chronic joint and / or muscle pain could decrease as a result (RTC often is irritated due to the generally increased mechanical load placed on it, due to it often being required to act as an eccentric decelerator at the shoulder; so it's going to be predisposed towards inflammation);

anyway, that's my sense of it - if I have time I can peruse PubMed for any research related to the above...

taai gihk yahn
07-13-2009, 04:40 PM
Seane Corn is a fairly hot yoga women too.

Not too many ultra sexola pics of her though...surprisingly. lol

oh yeah - my wife gets Yoga Journal every month - it's like having "legalized" porn laying around the house ("what? oh, nothing hon, just checking out her alignment, is all...":o)

Lee Chiang Po
07-13-2009, 08:58 PM
For either one to work you have to take it in huge quantities. The fish oil is really good, but in order for it to work wonders that are quickly noticable you have to take a lot of it. The best dosage would be 9,000 to 10,000 mg daily. That is 9 to 10 soft caplets each and every day. Arthritis is an auto immune system disease. It is a response to the consumption of alien proteins. Seed foods such as beans, peas, grains used in breads, legumes like peanuts and such that are high in proteins can be a problem with people that are predisposed. People that have this in the family so to speak.

IronWeasel
07-13-2009, 09:56 PM
I'm guessing that the flax seed / omega-3's have generalized anti-inflammatory properties, which could certainly explain why someone's chronic joint and / or muscle pain could decrease as a result (RTC often is irritated due to the generally increased mechanical load placed on it, due to it often being required to act as an eccentric decelerator at the shoulder; so it's going to be predisposed towards inflammation);

anyway, that's my sense of it - if I have time I can peruse PubMed for any research related to the above...


My understanding of the 'lubrication' effect is that it has a (very) mild estrogen effect. Estrogen will lube your joints. Steroid users that I grew up with have used anti-estrogens in their cycles, and if they use too much, they experience overall joint pain. The Testosterone that they inject turns to estrogen (in large amounts) and lubes their joints as they increase their poundage.

IronWeasel
07-13-2009, 09:58 PM
For either one to work you have to take it in huge quantities. The fish oil is really good, but in order for it to work wonders that are quickly noticable you have to take a lot of it. The best dosage would be 9,000 to 10,000 mg daily. That is 9 to 10 soft caplets each and every day. Arthritis is an auto immune system disease. It is a response to the consumption of alien proteins. Seed foods such as beans, peas, grains used in breads, legumes like peanuts and such that are high in proteins can be a problem with people that are predisposed. People that have this in the family so to speak.



This.

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mickey
07-14-2009, 06:51 PM
Greetings,

I have noticed increases in strength and flexibility after a detox flush that helps relieve the body of crystal accumulations at the joints and encourages cellular cleansing.

If you want to experience a cellular cleansing that would also help address arthritic conditions, I would suggest the use of spirulina (aka Super Blue Green Algae). The stuff is the bomb.

more info:

http://www.auroville.org/health/food/spirulina.htm

To your health,

mickey

Mr Punch
07-20-2009, 02:42 AM
For either one to work you have to take it in huge quantities. The fish oil is really good, but in order for it to work wonders that are quickly noticable you have to take a lot of it. The best dosage would be 9,000 to 10,000 mg daily. That is 9 to 10 soft caplets each and every day. Arthritis is an auto immune system disease. It is a response to the consumption of alien proteins. Seed foods such as beans, peas, grains used in breads, legumes like peanuts and such that are high in proteins can be a problem with people that are predisposed. People that have this in the family so to speak.EVERY single medical reference I've ever seen about this, as someone with arthritis in the family and prior history from a young age of joint pain has said clearly that beans and peas especially are essential for your diet to prevent joint problems. My aunt is also extremely arthritic and has essentially kept it at bay following her nutritionist's advice on a high bean, low meat diet. Alien proteins...? :confused:

And yes, you should take a lot of fish oil.

David Jamieson
07-20-2009, 05:27 AM
Cherries, particularly tart cherries are very good for arthritis pain.
They are also quite good with relief from gout.

double sword for aches and pains those cherries are!

eat your cherries!

anyway, if you wanna be flexible, you have to actively work at it. It's not something that will occur in a passive way or as a byproduct of something you eat or drink.

you want flexibily? you must have a stretching program. there's lots of them.