people need more martial arts training!!

[uki]

it's true!! look what happens when people prey on the weak!! http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=665_1247720453 :D

[Lucas]

i cant play vids from that website, is there a corresponding written story?

[uki]

i cant play vids from that website, is there a corresponding written story?police abuse power... abuse man...

[Lucas]

police abuse power... abuse man...

oh, that story...:mad:

[Lokhopkuen]

I have a really funny taser story:D

The secret to good Cop defense:

Submissive

Respectful

With a sprinkle of that stink of fear. (they love that:rolleyes:)
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49e_1188169623

[David Jamieson]

Giving attitude to cops = you are a dimwit

Not that the cops didn't overreact, but the dude was tempting tigers obviously.

Maybe he can bring a suit against those cops.

But seriously, his behaviour around those cops was all wrong.

It's not the guy, its the badge and the office that is to be respected.
some cops get it mixed up, but I give my undivided attention, yes sir, three bags full sir to any cop if s/he is addressing me in any way.

Learn to live in society people, if you can't, maybe the woods are for you! :p

[Lokhopkuen]

Giving attitude to cops = you are a dimwit

Not that the cops didn't overreact, but the dude was tempting tigers obviously.

Maybe he can bring a suit against those cops.

But seriously, his behaviour around those cops was all wrong.

It's not the guy, its the badge and the office that is to be respected.
some cops get it mixed up, but I give my undivided attention, yes sir, three bags full sir to any cop if s/he is addressing me in any way.

Learn to live in society people, if you can't, maybe the woods are for you! :p

Those cops were complete tools but the guy had the wrong attitude dealing with a gang of people all wearing the same clothes, carrying guns and clubs and tasers and sprays and guns:rolleyes:

[uki]

Those cops were complete tools but the guy had the wrong attitude dealing with a gang of people all wearing the same clothes, carrying guns and clubs and tasers and sprays and guns:rolleyes:yeah really... he should've been spitting and cursing more... they hate a big snotwad hanging from their nose. :D

you said guns twice...

[SPJ]

dun drink and drive

or has a designating driver a sober one.

or just get a cab

or just walk home, if you drink.

--

:eek:

[David Jamieson]

dun drink and drive

or has a designating driver a sober one.

or just get a cab

or just walk home, if you drink.

--

:eek:

well the guy wasn't drunk, hadn't been drinking and was totally sober and passed the sobriety test.
what he failed at was the social protocols of dealing with policemen in teh 21st century.

These protocols dictate that you speak when you are spoken to, you answer the questions promptly and you recognize the authority of the badge and office of teh constable that is making the queries of you.

When you give cops attitude or play like that guy did, then you are going to get in trouble, period, end of story. dead simple.

[uki]

well the guy wasn't drunk, hadn't been drinking and was totally sober and passed the sobriety test.
what he failed at was the social protocols of dealing with policemen in teh 21st century.

These protocols dictate that you speak when you are spoken to, you answer the questions promptly and you recognize the authority of the badge and office of teh constable that is making the queries of you.

When you give cops attitude or play like that guy did, then you are going to get in trouble, period, end of story. dead simple.exactly the reason why more people need to not be afraid to talk back to them. once people stop being intimidated by the police, things will change... as long as people let themselves be pushed around, the police will continue to abuse their power. respect is a two way deal.

[David Jamieson]

exactly the reason why more people need to not be afraid to talk back to them. once people stop being intimidated by the police, things will change... as long as people let themselves be pushed around, the police will continue to abuse their power. respect is a two way deal.

I fully disagree with you here.

The police are an established militia that as a society we empower to enforce the rule of law. Part of that social contract is that we deal with them in a manner that is fitting for the office to be dealt with.

They are not some regular dude who you chat with. They are not some dude to be questioned and challenged when they are specifically checking you out as a possible perp.

There is respect required and an observance of their authority over you as you are a participant in a law abiding society. You, as a voter and taxpayer sanction police authority.

I'm not saying there aren't abuses of power. Of course there are.

I am saying that you demonstrate a lack of understanding of what police are empowered to do and how we as regular civs should deal with them.

Getting up in their faces, talking back to them, being surly, etc etc is all unacceptable behaviour.

Be respectful, do not talk back. They represent the authority of the rule of law. So, when a police officer asks you to do something, you do it. Period.

If it is highly unusual, then you can address it at another point in time.
You have legal power as well and can channel that correctly to a lawyer if there are any questionable actions by the police.

There are also vehicles for lodging complaints against the police and for suing a police department if one of their constables commits a crime in the performance of his or her duties.

It is not within your rights as an individual to treat the police with anything less than 100% respect and to give them your complete and undivided attention when they are dealing with you.

Get with the program man. We all have to live together and police are people too with a job to do and most of 'em have enough crap to deal with in a day that I won't see over the course of my lifetime. So the last thing you wanna do is be a ******* to a cop.

[uki]

I fully disagree with you here.obviously this is because dragons and tigers are opposing forces of power... yet together they form a complimentary whole.


The police are an established militia that as a society we empower to enforce the rule of law. Part of that social contract is that we deal with them in a manner that is fitting for the office to be dealt with.of course, yet like anything else they are nothing more than a pond to throw stones in.


They are not some regular dude who you chat with.ummmm... yes they are... they are public servants... "to serve and protect".


They are not some dude to be questioned and challenged when they are specifically checking you out as a possible perp.depends on why and under what circumstances they are doing the checking out - everything is purely situational in context...


There is respect required and an observance of their authority over you as you are a participant in a law abiding society. again, it's a two way deal... innocent until proven guilty in the court of law - they need to play by their own rules if they expect us to.


You, as a voter and taxpayer sanction police authority.i don't vote, am not registered to vote and i only pay taxes when i shop and when they take it out of check weekly... i do not voluntarily do these things.


I'm not saying there aren't abuses of power. Of course there are.more and more and more and more and more...


I am saying that you demonstrate a lack of understanding of what police are empowered to do and how we as regular civs should deal with them.i understand completely what they are empowered to do... in romania i was threatened with a beat down for feeding the pigeons... LOL... the whole time i couldn't really understand what they were saying and i just kept feeding the pigeons... i finally ran out of bread and they wandered off. police are police... they believe they can tell people what to do, to jump, how high and whatever other wet fantasy they happen to dream up. it's a two way deal... each encounter with the police is it's own unique experience... all men are created equal - jobs do not set us apart from one another in this retrospect.


Getting up in their faces, talking back to them, being surly, etc etc is all unacceptable behaviour.again it depends on the incident... i have had some highly rewarding and memoriable experiences with the police because i chose to talk back and bump heads... you could say it has earned me respect around here with the local regional police force. :D


Be respectful, do not talk back. They represent the authority of the rule of law. So, when a police officer asks you to do something, you do it. Period.meh... i won't go over it again... and a period is a definitive, i like commas and three dots...


If it is highly unusual, then you can address it at another point in time.
You have legal power as well and can channel that correctly to a lawyer if there are any questionable actions by the police.i don't need a lawyer to deal with the police... i live life in the NOW moment.


There are also vehicles for lodging complaints against the police and for suing a police department if one of their constables commits a crime in the performance of his or her duties.that is a NOW moment later in the future. :p


It is not within your rights as an individual to treat the police with anything less than 100% respect and to give them your complete and undivided attention when they are dealing with you.and the same can be said for them... respect and service is a two way deal... their badge don't mean jack-diddly-squat when i deal with them... i treat them with the same amount of respect as i would with anyone else... it's an "in your face" experience - life.


Get with the program man.i am the new and improved - updated and revised edition... perhaps you can get a trade in for your out-dated model. :D


We all have to live together and police are people too with a job to do and most of 'em have enough crap to deal with in a day that I won't see over the course of my lifetime. woopie do... i am not impressed - i have seen and experienced much in my life so far.

So the last thing you wanna do is be a ******* to a cop.naturally... i will have to disagree with you. :)

[David Jamieson]

Uki

The fact that you don't vote and don't pay taxes except for sales taxes puts you out of contention for complaining about anything.

that you are politically inactive is your own choice ad therefore you have removed your own voice from the chance of any change (ranting in a forum or two means exactly nothing)

that you don't pay taxes and yet use the services derived from those taxes is a failing on your part.

You don't seem to understand the basics about how a society works, so perhaps it is best you remain on the fringe, looking in.

p.s eventually you may want to normalize your life as a citizen of the usa. how you are living now will only make that more difficult.

[uki]

Uki

The fact that you don't vote and don't pay taxes except for sales taxes puts you out of contention for complaining about anything.

that you are politically inactive is your own choice ad therefore you have removed your own voice from the chance of any change (ranting in a forum or two means exactly nothing)

that you don't pay taxes and yet use the services derived from those taxes is a failing on your part.

You don't seem to understand the basics about how a society works, so perhaps it is best you remain on the fringe, looking in.

p.s eventually you may want to normalize your life as a citizen of the usa. how you are living now will only make that more difficult.speak for yourself. :)

[David Jamieson]

speak for yourself. :)

I always do. + I pay my taxes, I vote and I respect my police forces and the structure of my society. :)

[uki]

I always do. + I pay my taxes, I vote and I respect my police forces and the structure of my society.do you want a cookie?

[David Jamieson]

do you want a cookie?

mmmm cookies.

but, no.

Do you want a better world for the next generation? IE: your kids?

[uki]

Do you want a better world for the next generation? IE: your kids?it will be a better world for my children and i am laying a solid foundation for them to build upon.

[Vash]

Kung Lek is right. To disrespect or toy with a lawful establishment such as the police is to place yourself outside of the rule of law, and not in the good way.

They are like the jury in a trial.

That said, I rather dislike LEOs in general, having seen and experienced naked and gross corruption and abuse of power without having been involved in illegal activities myself. There are individual cops I like, but so far I remain absolutely unimpressed by the institution.

But I will respect it, and it's agents, as much as I do the other pillars of this society from which I draw benefit.

[Seppukku]

it will be a better world for my children and i am laying a solid foundation for them to build upon.

By foundation, do you mean "scantily clad men"?

I'm not saying you did mean that. I was just trying to interpret your " secret codes".

[uki]

By foundation, do you mean "scantily clad men"?nope... not in the least. i mean the upbringing that teaches them to stand when they are TOLD to sit down - to speak up when told to shut up... to push back when they themselves are pushed first.


I'm not saying you did mean that. I was just trying to interpret your " secret codes".there are no secrets and there are no codes... nothing is unseen by those who see. :D

[Lucas]

to speak up when told to shut up...

i think im a savant in that area. no one ever had to teach me that it just came naturally ;):D

[uki]

no one ever had to teach me that it just came naturally.it's all about the DNA...