Tradidional Training/Fighting Maxims

[TenTigers]

In another thread, I brought up the topic of traditional training and fighting maxims. So in the interest of training Traditional Kung-Fu for fighting, let's discuss some of your faveorites.
(I'll start)

'Yat Dahm, Yee Lik, Sam Gung-Fu"
Courage first, Strength/power second, Technique third.

we all know that you may have great technique, and even strength and power, but without the courage (guts) to get in there, it's useless.
Likewise, we all have met that guy who has no technique, or power, but is a sick bastid, and will fight like a wolverine.

In my opinion, I train courage first. All of the beginner students learn attack sequences-aggressive combinations.
Everything moves forward. Attack in defense. Attack the attack.we don't block, we call them ,"Defensive Strikes" as the "blocks" are designed to inflict pain and damage.
Sidestepping is introduced only after these techniques are absorbed.
Stepping back is taught last-and very sparingly-if at all. There is a difference between adjusting, and retreating.
This is in alignment with what we discussed in the other thread about a fighter will fall back on what he trained first, and what he trained most.

[SPJ]

chapter 1 of sun zi.

formulating plan

1. English naration

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZRUxG1RK0s&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzpseXi_Bw4&annotation_id=annotation_947088&feature=iv

2. Chinese animation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuDmZqdlqV0

they apply to personal combat, too.

:)

[uki]

be wary not of the man who practices 10,000 techniques once, but rather the man who practices one technique 10,000 times...

be like water

mind is the path

chop wood, carry water...

let the mind go and the body will follow.

[SPJ]

even though Sun Zi is about how to wage war and win.

but similar principles apply to personal combat.

1. dao, we have to be in the right/just first.

2. tian (heaven), timing, weather and other conditions/factors--

3. di (earth), place, relative position--

4. jiang (general/command/leader), we have to be brave, intelligent, planning, calculating--- we are leaders of ourself.

5. fa (law, discipline) we follow certain rules/principles and unyielding, so the benefits of the rules will give us advantage--

most important of all deception

war or one on one combat is about trickery or deception.

he who calculate more will win.

:)

[SPJ]

be wary not of the man who practices 10,000 techniques once, but rather the man who practices one technique 10,000 times...

be like water

mind is the path

chop wood, carry water...

let the mind go and the body will follow.

be like water.

mmm I heard it from somewhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1orA2iCkEpI

:cool:

[uki]

mmm I heard it from somewhere.a mighty river is fed by the waters of ten thousand babbling brooks. :cool:

[SPJ]

to carry is to throw.

bao jiu shi shuai.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdRsmcn1wL8&feature=related

:cool:

[YouKnowWho]

Yat Dahm, Yee Lik, Sam Gung-Fu"
... In my opinion, I train courage first.

Old saying also said, "一力勝十會 (Yi Li Sheng Shi Hui) - strength can defeat 10 best techniques". IMO, I like to train "力 (Li) - strength" first. If I feel that I'm stronger than my opponent, it will give me the courage that I need.

[TenTigers]

Lin Kuen But Lin Gung,
Do Lo Yat Chung."
If you train Martial Arts but not body conditioning(strength, flexibility, hei-gung)
you will have nothing when you are older.

This is definately true as we see people who have trained when they are younger and still maintain flexibility and muscle density in old age.
I am 52, and I can do head high kicks without a warm-up.

"The more one sweats in training,
The less one bleeds in times of war."
or,
Train More, Bleed less.
or more PC;
"Train Hard, Win Easy."

[bawang]

quanfa rongyi bufa nan
"techniques is easy footwork is hard"

quanfa bu ding
"techniques are always changing"

lianquan hai xu qianjing za, za tu za shi za daobing, quantou xu ba yinggong lian, quanpi shi sui cai banceng, lian quan bucheng san sheng xue, xu du nian hua nan cheng gong

"when you can break rocks with your fist your gong is only halfway finished, if you dont bleed three buckets of blood training the fist you wont be good to the day you die"

[ingchao]

Perfection by repetition.

[TenTigers]

I heard a great little Shuai-Jiao motto, I think it may have been by someone on this forum,something like,"Gravity never fails, the Earth never misses."
another variation, "In Shuai Jiao, we hit them with the Earth,"
(wow, you think you hit hard? I'll hit you with an entire planet!);)

[TenTigers]

a WCK maxim: Loy Lau Hoi Sung, Lut Sau Jik Chung." "Retain what's coming in; Send off what's retreating; Rush in upon loss of hand contact.

[TenTigers]

Manners are very important, and you should always be a perfect host.
When someone arrives at your door, you should rush out to greet him,
help him inside, feed him more than he needs, (an extra serving, a doggie bag) and escort him out the door.

um..you guys get this, don't you?

[Drake]

A field artillery quote I heard a while back...

"When you absolutely must kill every motherf*cker in the grid square (1000 sq. km); accept no substitutions."

And another good one from John Stuart Mill;

"A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. "

[uki]

(wow, you think you hit hard? I'll hit you with an entire planet!)be like a comet, sneaking around the sun.

Perfection by repetition.repetition of a lie does not make it the truth.

he who stands for nothing, will fall for anything.

stand like a mountain, blow like the wind.

[ingchao]

repetition of a lie does not make it the truth.



But the People will eventually buy it. :rolleyes:

BTW: What is truth anyway?

[uki]

But the People will eventually buy it. it's truly a sad truth that our society is based on lies... honest people will not buy into a lie, no matter how cheap it is.



BTW: What is truth anyway?that my friend, is a question only you can answer. :)

[Drake]

it's truly a sad truth that our society is based on lies... honest people will not buy into a lie, no matter how cheap it is.

that my friend, is a question only you can answer. :)

How do we know you aren't the one lying?

[bawang]

random google quotes isnt traditional maxxim

[uki]

random google quotes isnt traditional maxximno sh!t sherlock... i'd like to apologize your life isn't nearly as profound as my own, but i realize we each have our own place in the divine scheme of things.

so give us a truly traditional maxim mr. alltalkienowalkie. yu mai talk lik traditional chinaman, butt yu lack intellectual wit. :p

[bawang]

no sh!t sherlock... i'd like to apologize your life isn't nearly as profound as my own, but i realize we each have our own place in the divine scheme of things.

so give us a truly traditional maxim mr. alltalkienowalkie. yu mai talk lik traditional chinaman, butt yu lack intellectual wit. :p

hi
:confused::confused::confused:
im just saying this topic says traidiotnal maxim and you write some stupid messed up sh1t you made up.
also thats very racist "ching chong chinaman"

[Drake]

hi
:confused::confused::confused:
im just saying this topic says traidiotnal maxim and you write some stupid messed up sh1t you made up
also that sounds pretty racist to me "ching chong chinaman"

The boy's a little confused, Bawang... just let him go...

[bawang]

this is the third time this guy made the "ching chong chinaman" comment to me. i feel bad for him. i met a lot of skinny white people with kung fu fantasies and bizare personalities. everybody sucks at the beginner everyone can be good if they just start training.
i jsut wanted to say keep on topic but i guess he took it as a insult because he never actually trained any kung fu and just post on the internet and is a aging old skinny man with red hair and lives in the woods with a goat wife

[uki]

im just saying this topic says traidiotnal maxim and you write some stupid messed up sh1t you made up. because you dont know any.hmmmm... i think something has to be made up before it becomes...

because you never actually trained in any kung fui train plenty of time in energy.


also thats very racist "ching chong chinaman"cry me a river... i don't care what you think it is, because it's not. :D

The boy's a little confused, Bawang...atleast i am not flossing my teeth on someone elses a$$ hair, sir.

just let him go...that's the beauty of it... he can't. :)

[bawang]

"ching chong chinaman" isnt racist?
heres a traditional ancient kung fu maxim for you
i like some salt on my cracker

im not gonna spam this raelly good thread if having the last reply means to much to u go ahead
its pathetic

[uki]

"ching chong chinaman" isnt racist? no siree bob white boy.


heres a traditional ancient kung fu maxim for you
i like some salt on my crackeris this because you have a rather bland taste? :p

[uki]

im not gonna spam this raelly good thread u can have the last replythats right... go hide your head back under your rock.

[uki]

im not gonna spam this raelly good thread if having the last reply means to much to u go aheadwhat means so much to me is how quickly you tap out... you came on this thread with a negative attitude and you got schooled punk, now you are playing hide and edit games... keep it up kiddo - i can play games all god****ed night. :)

[bawang]

negative? i quoted from the shaolin quanpu manual word for word

[uki]

here's another one...

if you grab a dog by the ears, expect to get bit.

[uki]

negative? i quoted from the shaolin quanpu manual word for wordouch... i feel inferiour to you intellectual capacity. :rolleyes:

mai-bee you shou stick wiff being jus a fu-nay guy?? LOL

[uki]

bawang can have the last word... he bores me...

[Drake]

Train with energy? Is this like the comment where you do "free flowing forms" based off of your past life knowledge of martial arts?

It sounds more like an excuse to cover a lack of discipline and a fantasy of being granted some sort of instant knowledge. You won't uncover anything living in PA browsing the web.

[Scott R. Brown]

"He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day!"

[uki]

It sounds more like an excuse to cover a lack of discipline and a fantasy of being granted some sort of instant knowledge.instant knowledge - you mean when like that light bulb goes on over your head?? lack of discipline... you mean like sucking up to someones a$$?? LMAO!!

You won't uncover anything living in PA browsing the web.thats why i uncovered it all before i settled down here. :p

[TenTigers]

boy, for someone who claims to be a Martial Artist, you sure lack the focus and discipline of a white belt. Try to stay with the topic.

Maxims, Kuen Kuit,How Kuit dealing with fighting, strategy,power development, training.

[uki]

boy, for someone who claims to be a Martial Artist, you sure lack the focus and discipline of a white belt.a certain stage in ones journey, belts, focus, and discpline become obsolete...

Try to stay with the topic.if i try i won't... i will have to do. words are powerful - paying attention and being mindful of how and what words you use takes true focus and discipline... you could equate this piece of spiritual advice with being for beginners only. :p

play like a tiger, scream like a monkey.

[Drake]

instant knowledge - you mean when like that light bulb goes on over your head?? lack of discipline... you mean like sucking up to someones a$$?? LMAO!!
thats why i uncovered it all before i settled down here. :p

Like, oh wow...I suddenly remember trigonometry from a past life!

[uki]

Like, oh wow...I suddenly remember trigonometry from a past life!you'd be amazed at the possibilities out there, but lets not try to stay on topic...

train high, kick low. :)

[taai gihk yahn]

"Saam lihn siu meng, sahp lihn dai meng"

lit. "3 years little name, 10 years big name";

take home message is that if you train something for 3 years, it is a small achievement; if you are able to persevere in that same training for 10 years, it is a worthy accomplishment;


"Fan yu gung; cho yu jung; jaam yu jong; haang yu fung."
"Sleep like a bow; sit like a bell; stand like a tree; walk like the wind."
If you understand and practice these four things, you have the essence of Taoist practice.

[Violent Designs]

Bad Religion is a terrible band.

[IronWeasel]

Never pet a burning dog.:D


/Obscure?

[bawang]

its not really "fun" to learn for most people. i think its very important , because forms dont actually explain your system to you

a good saying is "yi tou gong wei zhu" head training (iron head) is the most basic skill to train
a lot of "advanced" training is beginner training. what kung fu students in america get to learn after 5 or 10 years is what you normally learn in the first month, but i think that way you make less money

[uki]

Bad Religion is a terrible band.sweet jesus that is blasphemy!!!

"my conviction is that the fist and Zen are one and the same. together, this balance cultivates intellect ahead of strength." ~miyagi chojun

"the purpose of the fish trap is to catch fish, and when the fish are caught, the trap is forgotten." ~ chuang tzu

"weak mind, weak fist. strong mind, no need for fist."

the body follows the mind, which is a reflection of the spirit...

the secrets a so called master keeps from his students until they are deemed worthy to recieve them is this... there are no secrets. :D

[LSWCTN1]

i like a Moy Yat? saying

'once you control the hands and feet, there are no secrets'

or words to that effect

my favourite that we are taught. 'why take your pants off to f@rt?'

meaning why take the long way around

[Yum Cha]

Please excuse the poor chinese rendering, but

Yat Kew, baug chat
Bik bu, joi lam fang...

one fist - many options
pressing footwork, no defense


Or my favorite: m'duk sei so hai.

Train harder.

[TenTigers]

this is my personal Kuen Kuit that I use when teaching fighting:
"When your opponent moves in, You move in.
When your opponent moves out, You move in.
When your opponent stands still, You move in"

[uki]

this is my personal Kuen Kuit that I use when teaching fighting:
"When your opponent moves in, You move in.
When your opponent moves out, You move in.
When your opponent stands still, You move in"here is my personal one... there is no opponent. :)

[Scott R. Brown]

"Sleep like a bow...If you understand and practice these four things, you have the essence of Taoist practice.

Sleep tied up like a knot???:confused:

[uki]

Sleep tied up like a not???not what? :p

[Scott R. Brown]

not what? :p

Not what what?:confused::D;)

[taai gihk yahn]

Sleep tied up like a knot???:confused:

yes, a pretty pink one, tied by fairy-elves :):):)

[Scott R. Brown]

yes, a pretty pink one, tied by fairy-elves :):):)

Oh well, a pretty pink one and faeries, well.....that makes more sense then!

Who wouldn't sleep better......

[MightyB]

"I don't have to be faster than the bear, I just have to be faster than you."