"You Lie"

[BoulderDawg]

When I heard about this tonight I just could not believe it. For those that don't know the President was shouted down by a GOP congressman while giving his speech tonight.

"You Lie"

What makes this totally outragous (The disrespect to the office is bad enough) is that had this been a white president it would have never happened.

[Mr Punch]

A congressman? That's pretty ****. He should be drummed out.

[solo1]

As opposed to 8 years of Bush=Hitler or bush lied. We tolerated the left calling Bush a liar in the house, in the press, and to his face. Bush was called a monkey, a moron, a draft dodger . CBS "produces" false documents that cost Dan Rather his career. The congressman was right Obama is a liar and on at least 7 points he made last night not the least being taxpayers insuring illegals. He chose the totally wrong place to do it but he admitted it was wrong and apologized and what happened to "Dissent is Patriotic" or does it only apply to the left?
Disrespect for the Office of the President? get real no one has had to tolerate the abuse heaped on him more then Bush.

[BoulderDawg]

No congressman ever shouted down Bush while giving a speech. No matter how or what anyone feels about the issue or whether they believe that Obama lied or not the fact is no one would have dared do that to a white president. Funny thing this guy was from South Carolina....anyone want to bet that his approval rating is going through the roof in his district today!

No matter, the American people will judge this behavior and decide.

What's funny was there was no true apology from Wilson. He said he did what the house leadership told him to do and then went on to defend his actions.

It's just another version of "I saw this black guy with this white woman and my emotions just took over.

[BoulderDawg]

By the way, what established well known group of any political stripe was equating Bush to Hitler? I know of none. Of course you are going to have your fringe on both sides saying things like that......Is this what you are attempting to use?

[solo1]

Bush was shouted down numerous times during his tour any time he tried to make the case for Iraq the yelling and accusations flew. As far as Bush=Hitler one only had to see a war protest to see them. Bush was vilified by the press and invicerated by guys like Tom Brokaw and Dan Rather or the supreme idiots of network tv, Chris Matthews and uber douche Keith Olberman When was the last time a national news anchor had the temerity to "produce" documents he knew were a lie to discredit a sitting President? I was born under Kenndy, they said his alligience to the pope would supercede his oath to the country, lived thru Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton (hardly a beacon of virtue) Bush2 and now Obama. I have never seen the kind of piling on that Bush got., and I thought Nixon was brutalized. Look Im not a Bush apologist the guy made mistakes of epic proportions ( the medi-care drug bill for instance) but to infer that he was not attacked at every possible angle from the left is disingenuous at best. The congressman made an apology and the President graciously accepted it. I do however think the forum was in poor taste and in responce to the other writer I trust that this congressmens campaign coffers are about to overflow.

[solo1]

for your perusal: attachments.

As far as groups :

MOVEON.org/ PETA / workers world Party / Freedom socialist Party / united for Peace and Justice / ANSWER / code pink / not in our name / war resistors league / students for a democratic society unfortunately the list goes on and on.

[BoulderDawg]

You're just throwing out names. No examples from these groups? Also, anybody can photoshop pictures like you show. That's no big deal.

Repeat: Bush was never disrespected by a member of congress on the floor of the congress.......

That's what this issue is about.

By the way Bush will go down in history as our worst President. We are just learning about the tip of the iceberg. The lastest story, raising the terror alert before the election is just another example of abuse of office from the Bush admin.

[GLW]

The point BD is making....

While many previous Presidents had some serious detractors and did indeed get shouted down when giving speeches (and then the point that was not made about Bush but should be - he DID get people shouting at him...even AFTER his handlers made sure he was talking to a sympathetic crowd - things like removing people or not allowing them in if they were wearing t-shirts that said something that indicated they were not necessarily in favor of Bush's policies - so how bad do you have to be to be shouted down in a pre-screened audience)

But, BD's point and WHY Wilson's shout out of "You Lie!" is news is that while there HAVE been instances of even fist fights breaking out in Congress (before the Civil War - granted...but they did happen), there has not been an instance where a President was making a speech or addressing Congress (in this case, BOTH Houses) where the legislators were anything but polite.

This decorum is part of the tradition of Congress and symbolizes that there are 3 branches of the US government - the Legislative, Executive, and Judicial - and while separate - they DO show respect for each other.

It is also part of the Congressional decorum and manners that the President is treated like an honored guest and dignitary - and this was applied even to FDR by the legislators who would not have crossed the street to spit on him if he had been on fire.

So, in one short moment, Wilson broke a VERY long tradition and showed a total lack of etiquette required of his office.

Respect is given to another not to show another something about themselves - but rather to show another something about yourself.

Wilson showed more about himself than he ever could have shown about any President.

[xcakid]

No matter, the American people will judge this behavior and decide.



I'm an American Citizen. I have judged him. I love that guy. Joe Wilson is my kind of politician. Someone tht speaks his mind no matter what.

As far as respect for the office. I have none. And as an American Citizen that is my right. That nObama and his cronies are idiots!!

[Skip J.]

The point BD is making....

It is also part of the Congressional decorum and manners that the President is treated like an honored guest and dignitary - and this was applied even to FDR by the legislators who would not have crossed the street to spit on him if he had been on fire.

A very apt analogy there to the situation we are in GLW...

Thanks!

[BoulderDawg]

I'm an American Citizen. I have judged him. I love that guy. Joe Wilson is my kind of politician. Someone tht speaks his mind no matter what.

As far as respect for the office. I have none. And as an American Citizen that is my right. That nObama and his cronies are idiots!!

That "n" Obama?

Never thought I would read just a blatant racial slur on this board. I thought you Neos were against the use of the N word..........I guess not.

[Lucas]

i took it as an innocent play on words. as in NO-Bama....but i may be wrong....maybe im to innocent. ;)

[xcakid]

i took it as an innocent play on words. as in NO-Bama....but i may be wrong....maybe im to innocent. ;)


Yes it is meant as NO Obama. Guess BD's never seen the bumper stickers going around.

[uki]

another interesting little bit of information is the fact that south carolina was the first state to leave the union just prior to the american civil war. :)

[xcakid]

Just bought a T-Shirt. HEHEHEHE :D

http://shop.cafepress.com/design/35535215

[Mr Punch]

Just bought a T-Shirt. HEHEHEHE :D

http://shop.cafepress.com/design/35535215My, you're gonna look like such a ****.

GLW is correct.

[Scott R. Brown]

When I heard about this tonight I just could not believe it. For those that don't know the President was shouted down by a GOP congressman while giving his speech tonight.

"You Lie"

What makes this totally outragous (The disrespect to the office is bad enough) is that had this been a white president it would have never happened.

Not only WOULD it happen, IT ALREADY HAS HAPPENED!!:eek:

Bush's State of the Union speech in 2005, not by merely one opponent in the Congress, but by a rather large number!

Where is your post from 2005 demonstrating your indignation about that occasion?:confused:

Take your racism somewhere else!:mad:

[solo1]

thank you.

and : Obama is an idiot.

[GLW]

What Scott R. Brown says is not exactly true:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBxmEGG71PM

The clear audio shows that there were people grumbling and harumphing...but they also show the applause and cheers after a statement or two.

"Grumble grumble, nah...grumble" is a far cry from standing up and shouting "You lie!"

The grumble grumble stuff has happened over and over for a long time. There have also been moments of laughter - both WITH and AT the President doing the address.

But an instance of a clear verbal insult is different.

Wilson had other options. It was a display of his lack of self-control. And to top it all off, places like factcheck have shown he is offbase.

This is just like Cheney telling someone publicly to "go f@ck yourself" IT shows more about the character of the person making the statement than the person receiving it.

There used to be people who could ARTFULLY tell you where to go in such a way that you looked forward to the trip....obviously not on that side of the aisle now.

When even John McCain says it was wrong, you definitely pulled a boner - or is that a Boehner?

[solo1]

You're just throwing out names. No examples from these groups? Also, anybody can photoshop pictures like you show. That's no big deal.

Repeat: Bush was never disrespected by a member of congress on the floor of the congress.......

That's what this issue is about.

By the way Bush will go down in history as our worst President. We are just learning about the tip of the iceberg. The lastest story, raising the terror alert before the election is just another example of abuse of office from the Bush admin.

no disrespect but any photo of Bush as Hitler or Obama as the Joker has to be photoshopped. You asked for names. ANSWER, never heard of them, MOVEON.org never heard of them? Bush was booed in Congress in 04 or 05 by a mass of Democrats. We may have to agree to disagree and I wish you well.

[uki]

i think it was an awesome display of fearlessness to speak up when others do not.

[BoulderDawg]

no disrespect but any photo of Bush as Hitler or Obama as the Joker has to be photoshopped. You asked for names. ANSWER, never heard of them, MOVEON.org never heard of them? Bush was booed in Congress in 04 or 05 by a mass of Democrats. We may have to agree to disagree and I wish you well.

Where did I say I'd never heard of the groups you mentioned? By the way when did Moveon equate Bush to Hitler? What was said? I don't frequent the site but I do believe they have an open forum where anyone can comment. Of course all posts that resort to that level are removed as soon as they are discovered. However I will be really surprised if you show me an article written equating Bush to Hitler by a member of the Moveon staff.

"04 or 05"????? If you don't even know how do you expect me to? In any case the previous post summed that up nicely.

[BoulderDawg]

i think it was an awesome display of fearlessness to speak up when others do not.


You mean like McCarthy during the 50s, right?

Yep! That takes real guts!:rolleyes:

[Scott R. Brown]

What Scott R. Brown says is not exactly true:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBxmEGG71PM

The clear audio shows that there were people grumbling and harumphing...but they also show the applause and cheers after a statement or two.

"Grumble grumble, nah...grumble" is a far cry from standing up and shouting "You lie!"

The grumble grumble stuff has happened over and over for a long time. There have also been moments of laughter - both WITH and AT the President doing the address.

But an instance of a clear verbal insult is different.

Wilson had other options. It was a display of his lack of self-control. And to top it all off, places like factcheck have shown he is offbase.

This is just like Cheney telling someone publicly to "go f@ck yourself" IT shows more about the character of the person making the statement than the person receiving it.

There used to be people who could ARTFULLY tell you where to go in such a way that you looked forward to the trip....obviously not on that side of the aisle now.

When even John McCain says it was wrong, you definitely pulled a boner - or is that a Boehner?

Actually, if you listen to the news commentators after the fact they say he was booed. Ted Coppel to be specific. Further, the audio is not as crisp so it is is harder to hear. Just because you can't hear it as well does not mean it didn't happen. There was way more than one person heckling too! Thirdly, you think there were no cheers for Obama during his speech?

You are hearing what you want to hear and not what actually occurred.

If you think that Obama and his crowd speak appropriately about their political opponents you are naive.

John McCain is a tool and a fool. No one but liberals care what he thinks!

Wilson is NOT off base. All illegal aliens are already covered when ever they show up to an emergency room. This is a Supreme Court ruling. There is nothing in the legislation that actually says illegal aliens are NOT to be covered. The Democrats already shot down, on two occasions, wording that would specifically state illegal aliens will not be covered.

They most likely plan to grandfather them all into legal status anyway. They did it under Reagan, they will try to do it again!

[Scott R. Brown]

You mean like McCarthy during the 50s, right?

Yep! That takes real guts!:rolleyes:

Or you right now!

We live is a theoretically free society. Political speech is protected. I think it shows the childishness of those in power to whine and cry about this.

Obama is a liar! Anyone with a brain knows it. If you don't want to be called out for lying...how about don't do it. it is that simple!

[Scott R. Brown]

By the way. By saying you, I am not referring to you in particular, I mean anyone in general!

[solo1]

Actually, if you listen to the news commentators after the fact they say he was booed. Ted Coppel to be specific. Further, the audio is not as crisp so it is is harder to hear. Just because you can't hear it as well does not mean it didn't happen. There was way more than one person heckling too! Thirdly, you think there were no cheers for Obama during his speech?

You are hearing what you want to hear and not what actually occurred.

If you think that Obama and his crowd speak appropriately about their political opponents you are naive.

John McCain is a tool and a fool. No one but liberals care what he thinks!

Wilson is NOT off base. All illegal aliens are already covered when ever they show up to an emergency room. This is a Supreme Court ruling. There is nothing in the legislation that actually says illegal aliens are NOT to be covered. The Democrats already shot down, on two occasions, wording that would specifically state illegal aliens will not be covered.

They most likely plan to grandfather them all into legal status anyway. They did it under Reagan, they will try to do it again!



Well said about McCain. He was the lesser of two idiots however, that of course leaves out Sarah Palin who I believe has a real shot. I dont think however that any Congress for the next 10-20 years are going to attempt to legalize illegals, even Ronaldus Magnus said it was a mistake after the fact.

[BoulderDawg]

Or you right now!

We live is a theoretically free society. Political speech is protected. I think it shows the childishness of those in power to whine and cry about this.

You don't see me complaining about the Limbaughs, Coulters and Becks that spend hours a day on radio and TV spewing their garbage to anyone willing to listen.

You Neos have developed a plan that started with the Town Hall meetings. That is to infiltrate any polical gathering and take it over by shouting over the the main speaker or the moderator and by intimidation. According to you Wilson has every right, under the Constitution, to disrupt the President's speech. I disagree. He is completely free to call a news conference afterwards and express his point of view. Otherwise the idea of having anyone speak in congress will be pointless. Every speaker would be shouted down and nothing would be accomplished.

This is mob mentality. I'm surprised no one from the GOP other than McCain has come out and said this.

Another distrubing trend is the people who come to these public events carrying guns. It's just a matter of time......

[solo1]

Anybody else have an issue with Obama deciding that this day of all days is now a National Day of SERVICE?

i worked with traders at Cantor Fitzgerald, 650 of those guys were killed that day. I dont see this as a day of service I see it as a day of remembering and hoping to God almighty the human debris that did 9-11 suffer a thousand deaths, sans the virgins.


Obama is a friggin tool.

[BoulderDawg]

Well said about McCain. He was the lesser of two idiots however, that of course leaves out Sarah Palin who I believe has a real shot.

Where can I donate money to her campaign!:D

[GLW]

“ commentators after the fact … say he was booed. Ted Coppel to be specific. “

So, we are to NOT listen to several recordings…but to listen to a news pundit…. As well as not thinking for ourselves since I DID watch and listen to the original – it was not a loud “Booo” but more of a “grumble grumble boo” if the word boo was even used.


“Thirdly, you think there were no cheers for Obama during his speech? “

What a sideways understanding of what was said you have. I was equating the grumbles to the cheers. Both have been done before…but NOT the direct statement in the form of a verbal attack like Wilson did. There is a difference.

“If you think that Obama and his crowd speak appropriately about their political opponents you are naive. “

And what does this have to do with anything? The topic was about a congressman violating the rules of the Chamber with his statements…as well as him ignoring the standards and decorum set in the tradition (as in the Conserve root of the term Conservative).

Now, if you are referring to Cheney, it may be very true that we all say things about those we oppose or do not like in private. It is totally another thing to take those statements in the same language to a public and a recorded forum. Cheney showed a lack of control and a foul demeanor. There are ways he could have said things with the exact same meaning but not have come off as a jerk. Doubt that…try using that same language in a business meeting and see how your next performance review goes.


“John McCain is a tool and a fool. No one but liberals care what he thinks!”

Brilliant…you don’t like what is said so you insult. OTHERS beside McCain have said the same thing….on both sides of the aisle. You are still trying to defend a violation of the rules and an obvious display of poor self control.

“Wilson is NOT off base. All illegal aliens are already covered when ever they show up to an emergency room. “

So, you WOULD PERSONALLY like the ER person to tell YOU when you show up after an accident to PROVE your residency. Hmm….exactly what kind of a society do you want to live in? To deny ER care for someone who is bleeding to death is pretty raw. We treat animals better than that.

So, your argument is to say that “NOTHING IS CHANGING…those d@mned illegals are going to be treated anyway…when they show up at an ER….”

Now what will happen in the ER when other people no longer show up there for minor things since they DO have medical care available?

While you are at it, why not complain about the number of undocumented people who find a person who has died young and then get papers forged making them that person?



“They most likely plan to grandfather them all into legal status anyway. They did it under Reagan, they will try to do it again!”

You are now telling us what the future is and what others motives are. Your clairvoyance and mind reading abilities are truly astounding.

And all of this because a Republican Congressman displayed a complete lack of decorum that was even decried by his own party. And he based his “You lie!” on the fact that currently, emergency cases are NOT treated by documentation but rather by allowing the medical staff to follow their Hippocratic Oath.

Please rewrite that oath at your earliest for all of us to review. I want to know when it is NOT a violation of medical ethics for a doctor to ignore a wounded / injured person in need of medical care…. And while you are at it, repeal all of the Good Samaritan laws.

Since you feel free to throw those old "stupid liberal" phrases around and not deal with the actual issue of a lack of decorum on the Congressman's part, it is hardly worth the effort to read anymore of your posts on this issue.

[solo1]

You don't see me complaining about the Limbaughs, Coulters and Becks that spend hours a day on radio and TV spewing their garbage to anyone willing to listen.

You Neos have developed a plan that started with the Town Hall meetings. That is to infiltrate any polical gathering and take it over by shouting over the the main speaker or the moderator and by intimidation. According to you Wilson has every right, under the Constitution, to disrupt the President's speech. I disagree. He is completely free to call a news conference afterwards and express his point of view. Otherwise the idea of having anyone speak in congress will be pointless. Every speaker would be shouted down and nothing would be accomplished.

This is mob mentality. I'm surprised no one from the GOP other than McCain has come out and said this.

Another distrubing trend is the people who come to these public events carrying guns. It's just a matter of time......
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We developed a PLAN starting with town hall meetings? you mean the same meetings our elected leaders have been doing for 200 years, those meetings? as though we have no right to make congressmen miserable if they do what many of us dont want them to do? what happened to dissent is patriotic or does it only apply to left wingers waving anti war signs, or ACORN?

And your right we have Rush , Glenn Beck and Hannity and Fox news,

the left has :

Charlie Gibson, Brian Williams, Katie Couric, Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews, Bob Schieffer, George Stephanopoulos, Diane Sawyer, Geraldo Rivera, Maura Liason, Jack Cafferty, Larry King, Aaron brown, Carol costello, wolf blitzer, Suzanne Malveaux, Anderson cooper, andrea koppel, Christiane amanpour, brian ross, dean reynolds, chris coumo, lester holt, martin fletcher, jeff zucker, matt lauer, norah odonnel, ann curry, andrea mitchell ( married to former Fed Chairman greenspan) then weve got CNBC a discredited business channel who was called on the carpet by Jeff Imelt (GE chairman) for thier constant left tilt, joe kernan, mark haines, harry smith, andy rooney, ABC, CBS, NBC,MSNBC,CNN, CNBC, NPR (Financed on the backs of taxpayers), the LA times, New York Times, Chicago Trib, Washington Post, New York Daily News, Houston Chronicle, The Dallas Morning News, The Denver Post, ad nauseum.

I would say based on the lefts control and manipulation of the press and its slavish adoration of Obama and every idiotic gem dropping out of his affirmative action educated mouth that you have the right out gunned

i await your response, no, really i do.

[Vash]

Back off on the personal attacks, guys. We're all martial artists, right? I so often see remarks and hear the same about our higher expectations for decorum and respect.

How's about we show some.

[BoulderDawg]

Back off on the personal attacks, guys. We're all martial artists, right? I so often see remarks and hear the same about our higher expectations for decorum and respect.

How's about we show some.

I've looked over the posts here and see don't really see any personal attacks on either side. Agressively holding people feet to the fire but nothing personal.

[1bad65]

Looks like that racist idiot has once again showed his racism.

Back to the topic at hand; its strange how certain people are attacking Wilson for his lack of decorum, but giving the President who was flat-out lying to Congress in the first place a free pass.

[BoulderDawg]

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We developed a PLAN starting with town hall meetings? you mean the same meetings our elected leaders have been doing for 200 years, those meetings? as though we have no right to make congressmen miserable if they do what many of us dont want them to do? what happened to dissent is patriotic or does it only apply to left wingers waving anti war signs, or ACORN?

And your right we have Rush , Glenn Beck and Hannity and Fox news,

the left has :

Charlie Gibson, Brian Williams, Katie Couric, Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews, Bob Schieffer, George Stephanopoulos, Diane Sawyer, Geraldo Rivera, Maura Liason, Jack Cafferty, Larry King, Aaron brown, Carol costello, wolf blitzer, Suzanne Malveaux, Anderson cooper, andrea koppel, Christiane amanpour, brian ross, dean reynolds, chris coumo, lester holt, martin fletcher, jeff zucker, matt lauer, norah odonnel, ann curry, andrea mitchell ( married to former Fed Chairman greenspan) then weve got CNBC a discredited business channel who was called on the carpet by Jeff Imelt (GE chairman) for thier constant left tilt, joe kernan, mark haines, harry smith, andy rooney, ABC, CBS, NBC,MSNBC,CNN, CNBC, NPR (Financed on the backs of taxpayers), the LA times, New York Times, Chicago Trib, Washington Post, New York Daily News, Houston Chronicle, The Dallas Morning News, The Denver Post, ad nauseum.

I would say based on the lefts control and manipulation of the press and its slavish adoration of Obama and every idiotic gem dropping out of his affirmative action educated mouth that you have the right out gunned

i await your response, no, really i do.


Personally I could care less who's winning the media war. I don't gather information from these sources. If anything people such as Keith Olbermann amuse and entertain me. But of course I don't take them seriously.....unlike the right that has deemed Rush Limbaugh the unofficial leader of their party.

The town hall meetings were meant to be a forum for people to be heard.....all people. It was never meant as a forum to make anyone feel uncomfortable. For, of course, any congressman, no matter what he/she does will make a certain percentage of the population unhappy. Should these people go into these meetings screaming and talking over others using intimidation?

[BoulderDawg]

Looks like that racist idiot has once again showed his racism.

Back to the topic at hand; its strange how certain people are attacking Wilson for his lack of decorum, but giving the President who was flat-out lying to Congress in the first place a free pass.


I guess I should have waited before making that statement about no personal attacks.

[solo1]

what comment is racist? or are we calling names as a means to silence or intimidate comments you disagree with?

[solo1]

Personally I could care less who's winning the media war. I don't gather information from these sources. If anything people such as Keith Olbermann amuse and entertain me. But of course I don't take them seriously.....unlike the right that has deemed Rush Limbaugh the unofficial leader of their party.

The town hall meetings were meant to be a forum for people to be heard.....all people. It was never meant as a forum to make anyone feel uncomfortable. For, of course, any congressman, no matter what he/she does will make a certain percentage of the population unhappy. Should these people go into these meetings screaming and talking over others using intimidation?

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nor should union thugs be recruited to beat up folks that are speaking their minds

[1bad65]

what comment is racist? or are we calling names as a means to silence or intimidate comments you disagree with?

Here ya go (bold emphasis mine):


When I heard about this tonight I just could not believe it. For those that don't know the President was shouted down by a GOP congressman while giving his speech tonight.

"You Lie"

What makes this totally outragous (The disrespect to the office is bad enough) is that had this been a white president it would have never happened.

[1bad65]

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nor should union thugs be recruited to beat up folks that are speaking their minds

And don't forget ACORN gets taxpayer money so they can assist would-be pimps in procuring tax write-offs for their brothels stocked with underage illegals.

[BoulderDawg]

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nor should union thugs be recruited to beat up folks that are speaking their minds


Do you have proof of such? If so, I'm sure local authorities would be very much interested in any violence that was directed at anyone.

To be honest I haven't heard of any thing like that happening in years and years. However, in years gone by, if was usually the union agitator in the workplace that wound up in the hospital after trying to get workers to join the union.

[BoulderDawg]

Here ya go (bold emphasis mine):

I stand by the statement. Had this been a white president no one would have dared shouted him down on the floor of the congress.

Do you consider any opinion that consider race as a factor as being racist in and of itself? If so then that's your set of values...or, on the other hand, are you just using it as a politcal weapon....a trend I see a lot when it's even hinted that actions by the right are racially motivated.

[xcakid]

My, you're gonna look like such a ****.

GLW is correct.

Nah! I actually have this shirt: http://shop.cafepress.com/design/31167835

Everytime I wear out I get a smile and a nod, thumbs up and quite a few hi fives. Also quite a few people asking where I got it. :D

[AJM]

As opposed to 8 years of Bush=Hitler or bush lied. We tolerated the left calling Bush a liar in the house, in the press, and to his face. Bush was called a monkey, a moron, a draft dodger . CBS "produces" false documents that cost Dan Rather his career. The congressman was right Obama is a liar and on at least 7 points he made last night not the least being taxpayers insuring illegals. He chose the totally wrong place to do it but he admitted it was wrong and apologized and what happened to "Dissent is Patriotic" or does it only apply to the left?
Disrespect for the Office of the President? get real no one has had to tolerate the abuse heaped on him more then Bush.

No one shouted bush down in congress.

[David Jamieson]

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