Timing when fighting boxers

[kung fu fighter]

Here is the problem that most traditional martial artist generally face regardles of styles when fighting western boxers.


When fighting the traditional martial artist will retaliate forward to counter at any attempted strike by the boxer. When he does this most of the time he leaves himself open to second attacks which is one of the key components in a boxers arsenal.
A boxer will probe, fake, frustrate so that you initiate. All he is doing is setting you up.
I will give an example which occur often in Boxer Vs traditional martial artist fight.
- Boxer jabs lightly
- TMA tries to retaliate
- Boxer dances away (but now he knows his opponents weakness)
- Boxer jabs fast and lightly (already with a plan)
- TMA surges forward retaliating
- Boxer side steps to the left and has converted the light jab into a hook
- TMA is caught with his arms extended leaving his chin and sides of his head exposed, and receives a blow to the side of the head.
- Boxer jabs at kicking distance to probe, fake, frustrate so that you initiate.
- TMA surges forward retaliating
- Boxer steps back in unisen and throws a rear cross catching the TMA coming in.
This happens often due to the fact that a TMA is trying to commit to a non commited Boxers strike."

The above situation really throws off most traditional martial arts timing , boxers seems to be masters of this and of coarse you can probably kick him, but if you kick and miss because he shuffle back to avoid your kick and then steps back in to counter, he can catch you with another counter punch while you are on one leg. so it's probably better to learn how to deal with his hands using your arms and footwork to counter his arms and footwork.

what solutions do you guys have in the southern fist to deal with the above situation without stepping back or resorting to boxing/kickboxing strategy yourself?



here are a couple of videos that demonstrates this issue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foqUqIVWcEc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q74oxk65AZ4

[David Jamieson]

style vs style? really?

lol

a good fighter is a good thinker when the heat is on. It doesn't really matter what sort of style he pursued.

a good tma-ist who understands the dynamics of fighting can also beat a boxer

boxers aren't necessarily better than tma-ists.

crappy fighters are crappy fighters period and it has zip zero nada to do with style and everything to do with the individual and whether or not the -savvy yeah- or -savvy no- the way of fighting.

[hskwarrior]

a good fighter is a good thinker when the heat is on. It doesn't really matter what sort of style he pursued.

good point.


The above situation really throws off most traditional martial arts timing , boxers seems to be masters of this and of coarse you can probably kick him

i've never had this issue.


- Boxer jabs at kicking distance to probe, fake, frustrate so that you initiate.

Kung Fu people can't?


- Boxer steps back in unisen and throws a rear cross catching the TMA coming in.

i do the same pretty much with my CLF.


what solutions do you guys have in the southern fist to deal with the above situation without stepping back or resorting to boxing/kickboxing strategy yourself?

why can't you step back? if the boxer can do it, why couldn't TMA?

[ChukaSifu2]

Southern styles emulate some of these characteristics of boxing already. Like the Chuka SPM system for instance. We will dodge and stay on point of attack as well. We can shift and strike as well. Our outside and in some cases our inside blocks emulate boxing or vica versa. As well as we have leg traps and checks or low kicks to keep a boxer at bay, which they do not. Attack the attack if you will, not neccassarilly the body. Too name a few.

[Iron_Eagle_76]

The specifics you talked about are good, but it is too much of a broad generlaization to put everything in specific categories. That being said, one of the main reasons I have seen TMA guys get beat by boxers is training methods. Boxers spar with medium to full contact and set up combinations, something many TMA people don't do because of bad habits such as point fighting. When you have a guy with a wide stance, hands at his waist or the one hand up, other chambered for a reverse punch stance, with chin held up, he is going to get caught. The following video is a good example of TMA vs. boxing in regards to what I touched on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNxaNAm_fWQ

[Eric Olson]

Sounds like you are trying to beat the boxer at their own game. Why not kick , sweep or trap their legs? They have no training on how to deal with that. You rush in they will back pedal, bob or weave. That gets their head out the way but their legs are still open for attack.

EO

[SteveLau]

A good martial artist should be a master of committed fighting style and fient, no matter he is a CMA or boxer.


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