Au Wing Nin's teachers

[jdhowland]

Looking for information about teachers and systems influencing TWC master Au Wing Nin in the days before he became a disciple of White Crane grandmaster Ng Siu Jung. Au was born in 1909 so each of these teachers was active in the early 1900s.

Choi Ga Au Fat, known as "Iron Hand" Au; Wing Nin's father.

Lama Kyuhn AW-N learned from a monk named Tiet Sim See and another teacher named Ching Wai.

Anyone know of connections in the Choi Ga or Lama style trees?

Thanks, in advance.

John

[htowndragon]

weren't the monks students of wong yan lum?

[jdhowland]

weren't the monks students of wong yan lum?

That would be my guess. But I thought Au also had a connection to Chu Chi Yu.

jd

[htowndragon]

I REALLY REALLY wanna find out more info on Chu Chi Yu

[lkfmdc]

ttt until I can go home tonight and scan an article that suggests previous may have been confused

[lkfmdc]

Sorry, I mis-read this article late at night, yes, Au's lama teachers are those monks

[hskwarrior]

interesting......Cheuk Tze being the nephew of Tse wing bun.....cool

[lkfmdc]

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5451&d=1253624817

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5452&d=1253624855

[Gru Bianca]

Any more info on those two monks teachers of Au Wing Nam? Like for example their names in Chinese or in which temple they were ordered monks?

[lkfmdc]

Tit Sim Si is probably something like the "iron monk" and we could figure out the other but you won't get much beyond that, lots of mystery monks in Lion's Roar traditions, you can speculate why

[Gru Bianca]

I was actually caressing the idea of doing an historical research (at my own pace of course and life duties allowing) on the Liion's Roar origin since it reached China, but I've only found so far that 升龙seems to be Chinese and not Tibetan.
I know this kind of research could be really tricky and most of all time consuming with the risk to end up with a bunch of flies at hand; however I was kind of pushed into it by some speculations from certain circles that the three styles said to be originated in Tibet are in fact Chinese and with no relation to Tibet.

:confused:

[lkfmdc]

I am having trouble typing because I hurt a finger but lion's roar is from qinghai and at th time that was called part of tibet, but lion's roar is Chinese, tibetan, manchurian, mongolian, ie western china

[Gru Bianca]

I hear you, but what I mean is that what has been questioned is the Buddhist origin of it especially the Tibetan Buddhism of it.
Any way, if you have some solid sources as on the history of the Lion's Roar origin ( I mean behind the oral tradition ), then I'd be really grateful to you if you could guide me to it.

Thank you

[lkfmdc]

a relationship between Buddhism and fighting is always questionable, been discussed here before

but there is vajrayana (ie tibetan) buddhism in China, and most Mongolians and Manchurians are this sect as well, ie vajrayana is the chief buddhism of western / frontier china

[Gru Bianca]

Thank you, I hear you on that too, however we are still on the speculating side as for the origin of Lion's Roar, meaning not much more then miths as per now.

Thanks and good night, 2 am here, time to sleep

[jdhowland]

interesting......Cheuk Tze being the nephew of Tse wing bun.....cool

Yeah. Cheuk Tse learned clf and eage claw for four years before becoming a student of Ng Siu Jung.
jd

[jdhowland]

Sorry, I mis-read this article late at night, yes, Au's lama teachers are those monks

Got a kick out of seeing that scan from the Cheuk Tse article. The photo showing Tse's students doing "crane walk" was taken at the height of the Bruce Lee craze. The main hall was completely filled with students, and what the photo doesn't show is that the front and back parking lots were used for overflow and for newer students learning basics. The sad thing is that when I left Hawaii, there were only six of us still training.

That pic was taken at the Hawaii Chinese Buddhist Community Center, the same training hall used by the Chinese Physical Culture Association.

Thanks for posting this.

John