dude takes on 3 guys

[Cappadonna]

i know how much you guys love street fight vids.

check this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=617m4VWGC7w&feature=related

[sanjuro_ronin]

lol !
That was some funny **** !
Don't mess with a man and his ***** !!

[taai gihk yahn]

good for him, but what was really interesting was how he got distracted enough by his HAT to get nailed! goes to show you how being under pressure can result in some strange decision making...

[sanjuro_ronin]

good for him, but what was really interesting was how he got distracted enough by his HAT to get nailed! goes to show you how being under pressure can result in some strange decision making...

In all fairness, it was a pimping hat.

[taai gihk yahn]

In all fairness, it was a pimping hat.

maybe for the sorta ho's you've got up north...:D

[sanjuro_ronin]

maybe for the sorta ho's you've got up north...:D

Like them?
http://bp1.blogger.com/_6V6NjZLrAgo/SGrBSqvX8DI/AAAAAAAACZQ/BeZ0I-w2t-Y/s400/happy_canada.PNG

[taai gihk yahn]

Like them?

it's not nice to post pics of Jamieson's sisters like that...:mad:

[Lucas]

i was pretty wary of opening this thread, based on the title....

:p

[goju]

i wish i would have taped the after math of a seizure i had friday night:D i blacked out and woke up combative and beat up a total of eight firefighters paramedic and cops lol

it was funny my uncle was telling me i was trappin them all and head butting and elbowing them when they tried to grab me

apparently the debate i was having with frost about tackling and clinching defense was stuck in my subconcious when i came too

i even slapped a paramedic in his groin when he was behind me and then grabbed an apple from the counter and started kiaaaa screaming lol!!(apparently i thought i had ripped off his crotch:D)

[Sihing73]

Hmmm, a real streetfight where they did not go to the ground!!!

Someone call that guy and tell him that if he wants to survive a real street encounter he needs to go learn BJJ as everyone who has EVER REALLY FOUGHT knows the fight almost always goes to the ground. :rolleyes:

Oh, wait a minute, I guess you could say the fight went to the ground as the guys he hit fell down. :D

While it was mostly just brawling it also goes to show that ones mental attitude can have a lot to do with surviving.

[LSWCTN1]

While it was mostly just brawling it also goes to show that ones mental attitude can have a lot to do with surviving.

its ALL mental attitude. doesnt matter how good your chisau (or any other drill for that matter) is - if you aint got the courage to enter and really bang then you might as well run.

same as someone with high level skill - if they havent got the attiutude to keep going when they do take a knock then they're going to give in.

i honestly think this is why people always compare themselves to boxers - boxing attracts people who already have a fighting, rough and tumble, attitude. therefore they are more likely to get in and bang. doesnt necessarily make the art a 'better' one - just better practitioners ;)

[Water Dragon]

doesnt necessarily make the art a 'better' one - just better practitioners ;)

This is the big 'secret' to martial arts. It's the one thing every one of my teachers agreed on. You find the best, and then learn what ever it is they teach. The 'goods' can be delivered through many vehicles. Once you get the 'goods' the vehicle you use is unimportant.

[Water Dragon]

Hmmm, a real streetfight where they did not go to the ground!!!

Someone call that guy and tell him that if he wants to survive a real street encounter he needs to go learn BJJ as everyone who has EVER REALLY FOUGHT knows the fight almost always goes to the ground. :rolleyes:

Oh, wait a minute, I guess you could say the fight went to the ground as the guys he hit fell down. :D

While it was mostly just brawling it also goes to show that ones mental attitude can have a lot to do with surviving.

your positioning of a BJJ comment in a vid thread that has nothing to do with BJJ makes me think you're missing the point.

You don't not train on the ground because this fight didn't go to the ground, you train on the ground because the next one might. It's a tool for the toolbox. You're just as likely to go to the ground as not to. If you have the goal of self defense as a training aim, you need to train on the ground just as much as you train not to go to the ground. What you choose to specialize in is your choice, and it doesn't matter much in the big picture, but it's smart to be able to handle yourself in multiple situations.

[Sihing73]

your positioning of a BJJ comment in a vid thread that has nothing to do with BJJ makes me think you're missing the point.

You don't not train on the ground because this fight didn't go to the ground, you train on the ground because the next one might. It's a tool for the toolbox. You're just as likely to go to the ground as not to. If you have the goal of self defense as a training aim, you need to train on the ground just as much as you train not to go to the ground. What you choose to specialize in is your choice, and it doesn't matter much in the big picture, but it's smart to be able to handle yourself in multiple situations.

Hello Water Dragon,

My post was a tongue in cheek directed at a couple of others who know who they are :p

While you are right that it is always good to train for different situations do you honestly think that this video shows a good time to go to the ground? IMHO it shows the reality of many actual street encounters and involves the very reason I would not want to be on the ground..........multiple opponents.

Sure there is a time and place for everything, but I just don't buy into the "majority of all fights go to the ground" mindset. I base this on my own life experience in which I have seen very few fights end up in a wrestling or grappling situation, not saying it does not happen, just not as often as some would like to suggest ;)

Having said that my position has always been that if you have the time, money and inclination to train various arts then you should do so, PROVIDING YOU HAVE A SOLID FOUNDATION IN YOU BASE ART. If you do not have the time, money or inclination then you are better off spending you time learning in and training your primary art, whatever that may be.

Nothing against those who practive or incorporate different arts, just have a problem with the my way is the best/only way mentality that so many express.

Now back to the video; lets say that the guy being attacked did go to the ground and was tearing his foe up while on the ground. What do you think the other two would have done? Doubtless, impressed by his ground game, they would have run away in fear. Or more likely they would have jumnped at the chance to jump and kick him while he was down and otherwise occupied. :eek:

Of course I could be wrong. But this situation would not be the time to enter into a ground game, unless perhaps after the other two were no longer a factor. And then, more to hold the guy for the authorities.

My post was poking fun so take it fwiw. :D

[Water Dragon]

I took your post wrong, hard to read intent on the ol interweb.

To comment on the rest of your post. I don't disagree with you. I would add that BJJ makes a solid root art to barnch off from. A good BJJ man is not gonna be on the ground for a long time. He's gonna go down, probably snap the arm with an armbar, and be back on his feet in under 30 seconds. I know because I've done it. No, not in a fight, but against a friend of mine who was making the 'BJJ wouldn't work in a fight' argument with me. Not because I'm that good, but because he didn't know what I was doing or how to defend.

So I think a good BJJ man would have had the guy unconscious or with a broken limb before the other guy realized what happened. People just don't jump in as soon as a fight goes to the ground. I think it just takes people time to process what's going on, and it takes untrained people more time than it does you or I.

My argument is that IF you are training for 'the street' (which is a term I simply loathe) then you must train to fight on the ground.

Myself I only train Judo anymore; throws and groundwork. But I like to compete, and Judo provides a great outlet for that. It's also a good children's art, and it's something I cna do with my boys. We are going to class in a half hour, and I get to teach him. Cool stuff!

When I did live in the ghetto, and I lived in the G-H-E-T-T-O, I trained Muay Thai for striking, Shuai Chiao for throws, BJJ for the ground, a little Kun Tao for knifework, and I was at the pistol range frequently. It took a lot of my time, but I was prepared. I have neither the time nor the desire to do that now, but again, I'm not training for 'the street'. If that's what you are training for though, it's a different story. It doesn't matter how many fights go to the ground, it only matters if the one you're in does. If so, you should be prepared.

[Sihing73]

Hello Water Dragon,

I did Judo many years ago under a guy named Lou Moyerman. I enjoyed it very much. Although when I did compete I usually got into trouble as I liked to throw someone and then step back so they could get up, I hated the ground. I did find that the Judges did not let that last very long and I was forced to do groundwork if I wanted to win. Still I never really liked the ground game.

I would agree with almost all of your post. It is always a good idea to be versatile and well rounded, again you need a solid foundation of something to build on first. It really comes down to why you are training and what type of opponent you are likely to face. Someone in a tropical climate would likely face a different situation than someone in an artic area. Thus, each would have a different focus as both environment and clothing would come into play.

The only thing I would be cautious about is the idea of having 30 seconds or more in a real fight to accomplish a specific goal. I mean 30 seconds can be a lifetime in some situations.

All the best.

[karateguy]

that was awesome, that guy did need some training.. He threw too many punches in my opinion.. but it worked..

[Water Dragon]

The only thing I would be cautious about is the idea of having 30 seconds or more in a real fight to accomplish a specific goal. I mean 30 seconds can be a lifetime in some situations.


Again, I don't disagree, there are many situations where you only have a split second to react. Those situations mainly involve weapons. There are also many situations where a quick juji gatame is the best option. There are also many situation where you and/or the opponent could slip and fall, especially if you visit bars or Chicago in the winter.

The answer is you train for all of it. Unless your the thug, you don't get to pick the conditions you fight under.

[Frost]

The answer is you train for all of it. Unless your the thug, you don't get to pick the conditions you fight under.



I can’t see why people don’t get this very simple point, train for it all as water dragon said because when it happens you might end up on the ground, in the clinch or just standing and trading and you might not get a say in where it happens.

Whether you live in a hot place, a cold place, the jungle or the city those three things are all likely to happen, so why not train them all with the best people you can find? its not a case of you not wanting to go to the ground it simply might happen.

[Frost]

Having said that my position has always been that if you have the time, money and inclination to train various arts then you should do so, PROVIDING YOU HAVE A SOLID FOUNDATION IN YOU BASE ART. If you do not have the time, money or inclination then you are better off spending you time learning in and training your primary art, whatever that may be.


I have always thought this was an ass backward approach to training, why specialise and get a solid foundation first and then branch out? In virtually all other aspects of life, you start of general and then specialise over time.

Be it academic studies or athletic endeavour you normally start of with a broad focus and over time narrow your focus and specify, why should MA be any different? At the very least you will avoid specialising in something that after a few years you come to realise is not what you really want to do anyway

And I think its every more important to start of this way if your goal is self defense, Spend a year or two learning the basics of stand up, clinch and ground, with and without weapons, and then if all you want to do is train a art that specialises in one area then go for it, you will have some ability in all areas and a lot more confidence that you have chosen the right area and art for you

[Sihing73]

I have always thought this was an ass backward approach to training, why specialise and get a solid foundation first and then branch out? In virtually all other aspects of life, you start of general and then specialise over time.

Be it academic studies or athletic endeavour you normally start of with a broad focus and over time narrow your focus and specify, why should MA be any different? At the very least you will avoid specialising in something that after a few years you come to realise is not what you really want to do anyway

And I think its every more important to start of this way if your goal is self defense, Spend a year or two learning the basics of stand up, clinch and ground, with and without weapons, and then if all you want to do is train a art that specialises in one area then go for it, you will have some ability in all areas and a lot more confidence that you have chosen the right area and art for you

Hi Frost,

You are welcome to your POV. However, in many systems you need to develope a firm foundation in order to be able to apply at a higher level. Besides, if you learn a traditional art you will find that as you progress you do pick an area to specialize. Perhaps you will train a particular weapon and make that your favorite.

The understanding of the system you opt to train is is your BROAD FOUNDATION and it is this FOUNDATION on which you build. Consider mathematics as an example. You learn by getting the basics and then you build upon those to expand your knowledge and go deeper. Imagine the result if you did not master the basics first, but instead did just a little Addition, Subtraction and then went right into Geometry or Calculass.

In most cases without a foundation to build upon you will not grasp the more intricate details of anything be it Martial Arts or life itself. Besides, just as academia trains one to think and process information, not really about the subject per se but how to utilize the mind, understanding a system first will allow one to better grasps the concepts of other and more varied systems.

But, hey for myself I love those guys who try to learn everything without first developing a foundation in something, they are so much more fun to play with :D

[Hardwork108]

i know how much you guys love street fight vids.

check this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=617m4VWGC7w&feature=related

Thanks for the great video and it was good to see the thugs getting what they deserved. :-)

[Hardwork108]

its ALL mental attitude. doesnt matter how good your chisau (or any other drill for that matter) is - if you aint got the courage to enter and really bang then you might as well run.

same as someone with high level skill - if they havent got the attiutude to keep going when they do take a knock then they're going to give in.

i honestly think this is why people always compare themselves to boxers - boxing attracts people who already have a fighting, rough and tumble, attitude. therefore they are more likely to get in and bang. doesnt necessarily make the art a 'better' one - just better practitioners ;)

100% true. Too many tradiional martial arts training programs teach everything but courage or what in TCMA terms would be called INTENT. That is where most of the problem lies when it comes to TCMA training. Of course, the other problem is that most of the so called sifus seem to only have a vague familiarity with the art that they are meant to be teaching, but then this (Mc dojo phenomenom) is a familiar theme and this thread is not about that.

I would add that the answer is not necessarily to put two people in a ring all the time so that they can cause each other brain damage either. A gradual and intelligent build up to hard sparring and other spirit building exercises would be the way to go IMHO.

Of course, there are guy who are born with a warrior mentality and the guy in the video may have been one these people.:)

[SAAMAG]

Nice. It's always good to see punks getting what they deserve.