let's talk islamo-fascist

[David Jamieson]

Seriously here's my take on this ongonig shyte:

If you look at all the wars on the planet right now at this very minute you will find a curiousity about them.

On one side or the other it is Islamists or Communist/Socialist radicals.

I don't think we should be considering their stance or position or reasoning. They are a clear and present danger and a blight on societies globally.

What is needed is that same hard political will to once and for all get rid of these twisted authoritarian regimes and militant groups.

Flood the war plagued countries with soldiers in a multinational strike, eradicate the militants, put a system like the Marshall plan into effect where required and hand the country back following the effect.

Do not get involved in the welfare mentalities that are now occurring in the countries where intercession is underway.

If we have to buy their weapons or have them sell out their ideologies for cash, so be it. If we have to crush them militarily, so be it. Make it a choice and get it done.

For pete's sake it took less time to take care of Hitler and Hirohito.

Domestically, we must curtail their activities with strong force of will and crush any conspiracy quickly and with a harshness that makes such actions prohibitive in their minds.

Internationally, we must create memes through propaganda, use our wealth as nations and use our military might as nations bound together in a single cause.

Honestly, there is some hard choices and some very uncomfortable things to be done, but as a fairly centrist Canadian, even I am tired of this and want it to be stopped as soon as possible.

We have the ways and means to do so, let's get behind the effort and do it

[solo1]

well written. I agree the countries or groups that are causing the problems need to be dealt with as harshly and violently as possible. I for one am getting concerned with the "targeted strikes" that does everything it can to avoid civilian casualties. They declared war on the west and have targeted civilians we need to be doing the same with the full force the west has to offer. Despite their willingness to die for their lunatic cause the attitude will probably change if and when their families are getting wiped out. I beleive the west is basically peace loving but will strike back after being coerced. 9/11 was the last straw. I watch with dismay what has happened in England, Germany and France with the influx of radical immigrants that have no intention of acclimating to the existing culture but instead violently demand their behavior be respected and condoned by the host country. The attitude should be and I think its coming to "game over" and the we will see uprisings againest them like we havent seen before.

[solo1]

Metus improbos compescit, non clementia.

"Fear, not kindness, restrains the wicked."

[MasterKiller]

Why differentiate between them and Christian/Jewish facists?

[David Jamieson]

Why differentiate between them and Christian/Jewish facists?

such as?

and where have these groups started a war?

Christian fascists? where? what war?

Jewish fascists? I think what Israel is doing is constantly responding as opposed to starting stuff. They've been in a perpetual state of being attacked virtually since their inception as a nation state.

so why differentiate? I think I made it pretty clear in my post.
Please expand on your idea to fill it out a bit so we can discuss if you like.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Or you can just leave then the F alone, leave their backward countries and their backward ideologies and alow them to "cannabalize" themselves.
Oh wait we can't, they have the oil, oh wait, so do we and WE ( Canada) doesn't need their oil, AT ALL.
Strange how things are...

[BoulderDawg]

To start with the word is a made up neo word (others include freedom fries and homicide bomber) to illicit fear.

Now, personally if I was in the Islamic world I would praise Allah for groups that were armed to protect me against such things as described in this first post. That is the prevaling attitude among the radical right in the west.

I also like the way this guy lumps in the evil Communist/Socialist element in with the Islamic world.:D Might as well throw everyone you hate in there if you are going to preach genocide.

As for me I found this Socialist group on Facebook. I thought their description of Socialism was one of the best I have heard:


WHERE WE STAND

***Socialism, Not Capitalism***
War, poverty, exploitation and oppression are products of the capitalist system, a system in which a minority ruling class profits from the labor of the majority. The alternative is socialism, a society based on workers collectively owning and controlling the wealth their labor creates.

We stand in the Marxist tradition, founded by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, and continued by V.I. Lenin, Rosa Luxemburg and Leon Trotsky.

***Workers' Power***
Workers create society's wealth, but have no control over its production and distribution. A socialist society can only be built when workers collectively take control of that wealth and democratically plan its production and distribution according to human needs instead of profit.

The working class is the vast majority of society and is the key to the fight for socialism. Workers' central role in production gives them a social power--by use of the strike weapon--to paralyze the system like no other social force.

Socialism is working-class self-emancipation. Only mass struggles of the workers themselves can put an end to the capitalist system of oppression and exploitation.

We support trade unions as essential to the fight for workers' economic and political rights. To make the unions fight for workers' interests, rank-and-file workers must organize themselves independent of the union officials.

***Revolution***
We actively support the struggle of workers and all oppressed people for economic, political and social reforms, both as a means to improve their conditions and to advance their confidence and fighting strength. But reforms within the capitalist system cannot put an end to oppression and exploitation. Capitalism must be replaced.

The structures of the present government grew up under capitalism and are designed to protect capitalist rule. The working class needs an entirely different kind of state--a democratic workers' state based on councils of workers' delegates.

We do not support candidates of capitalist parties like the Democrats or the Republicans. We support genuine left-wing candidates and political action that promotes independence from the corporate-dominated two-party system in the U.S.

***Internationalism***
Capitalism is an international system, so the struggle for socialism must be international, uniting workers of all countries. Socialists oppose imperialism--the division of the globe based on the subjugation of weaker nations by stronger ones--and support the self-determination of oppressed nations. We oppose all immigration controls.

We oppose U.S. intervention in Cuba, the Middle East, and elsewhere. We are for self-determination for Puerto Rico.

China and Cuba, like the former Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc, have nothing to do with socialism. They are state capitalist regimes. We support the struggles of workers in these countries against the bureaucratic ruling class.

***Full Equality and Liberation***
Capitalism divides the working class, based on sexual, gender, racial, national and other distinctions. The specially oppressed groups within the working class suffer the most under capitalism.

We oppose racism in all its forms. We support the struggle for immigrant rights. We fight for real social, economic and political equality for women, and for an end to discrimination against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people.

We support the fight for Black liberation and all the struggles of the oppressed. The liberation of the oppressed is essential to socialist revolution and impossible without it.

***The Revolutionary Party***
To achieve socialism, the most militant workers must be organized into a revolutionary socialist party. The ISO is committed to playing a role in laying the foundations for such a party. We aim to build an independent socialist organization, rooted in workplaces, schools and neighborhoods that, in fighting today's struggles, also wins larger numbers to socialism.

Nothing there I disagree with. Also nothing there about wiping other folks off the face of the earth!

[Drake]

I guess the USSR just made itself and all of the members were happy to be part of it too? Nah... no hostile takeovers for the sake of expansion. No move by China to oppress Tibet? Nah... Communists are friendly, loving folks. Why, they love you so much that they'll even feel bad as they shoot you when you attempt to flee the country!

I've seen the damage they've done to East Germany firsthand. I've seen the graves, and I've seen the memorials to laborers and intellectuals who were killed in cold blood due to the communist regime.

And FYI, if BD spoke out like he did towards China, and were living there, he'd be drug from his home in the dead of night.

Ever notice how communists are always having problems with human rights issues?

[David Jamieson]

Or you can just leave then the F alone, leave their backward countries and their backward ideologies and alow them to "cannabalize" themselves.
Oh wait we can't, they have the oil, oh wait, so do we and WE ( Canada) doesn't need their oil, AT ALL.
Strange how things are...

Yes it is strange.

So, now we have groups right here inside the gates.

The Toronto 18 for instance and other groups who have come inside the gates under the pretense of a better life and then wind up as someone in a group like the Toronto 18.

We can't leave them alone. Look what the Taliban was doing in Afghanistan. Do we as a species just let that ride or do we act on the behalf of our fellow humans?

Do we let more Hitlers crop up or should we actively contain them?

yes, we can clean up our own act here for sure and get the military industrial complex under control, but that says nothing of the real threats that are coming from these two particular ideologies.

leaving them alone won't make them stop bombing buses, buildings, cafes etc. That much is known.

Acting a little more harshly on the other hand is something that most westerners can't stomach and frankly, we have a lot of pollyanna thinking.

Communism, collectivism and socialism has *some* useful aspects to the model that can be drawn out. But Marxism as is is foolishness.

[solo1]

Because the Christian / Jewish groups dont start fights. They turn the other cheek until they can turn no more then unleash. The Crusades were no differant and the way Israel has been treated from day one. The jews have been picked on since the begining of time they today put up with bombings and harassment no group should have to tolerate. Christian and Jews have no issue with your religion they dont consider differant persuasions as infidels to be killed. They dont target day care centers, pizza parlors, or grocery stores as legitimate targets. They dont fly airplanes into tall buildings loaded with innocent civilians.

[BoulderDawg]

There's been more bloodshed in the name of Jesus Christ then anything else in recorded history.

[BoulderDawg]

Deuteronomy 7 (King James Version)

1When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girga****es, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;

2And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:

3Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.

4For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.

5But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.

6For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

What was this? something about "Christian and Jews have no issue with your religion they dont consider differant persuasions as infidels to be killed."

[Drake]

I'm not even a christian, and there's a HUGE flaw in your logic. Contemporary christians typically refer to OT materials as historic instead of doctrinal. After Jesus' arrival, everyone is forgiven, and thus, all of the fire and brimstone crap from the OT is negated. In other words, what you quoted is invalid by theological standards.

Any other ignorant stupidity you want to put forth? Why not espouse the virtues of the communist regime again?

[David Jamieson]

There's been more bloodshed in the name of Jesus Christ then anything else in recorded history.

really.

stats me man.

stalin = commie =millions killed

mao = commie = millions killed

pol pot= commie = 1+million killed

you gonna talk about some medieval crusade stuff or something? you familiar wit the Moors by the way?

dude, throwing out staements like that doesn't mean anything if you cannot back it up. also, one doesn't preclude the other. logic flaw. :)

[BoulderDawg]

I'm not even a christian, and there's a HUGE flaw in your logic. Contemporary christians typically refer to OT materials as historic instead of doctrinal. After Jesus' arrival, everyone is forgiven, and thus, all of the fire and brimstone crap from the OT is negated. In other words, what you quoted is invalid by theological standards.


Well there you have it people! And I bet there are a lot of jews out there who are glad to hear that the old testament in invalid!:D

So what's really being said here is that the bible is not worth the paper it's written on.....that is unless it supports your argument! I knew that!:p

[BoulderDawg]

really.

stats me man.

stalin = commie =millions killed

mao = commie = millions killed

pol pot= commie = 1+million killed

you gonna talk about some medieval crusade stuff or something? you familiar wit the Moors by the way?

dude, throwing out staements like that doesn't mean anything if you cannot back it up. also, one doesn't preclude the other. logic flaw. :)


I don't see your stats. I see a few names but not stats.

To start with the deaths in Russia were due to many factors. Same with Mao and Pot. They don't hold a candle to the European holocaust and the American and Canadian Holocausts that were cause by manifest destiny and the American Indain genocide.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Although its always nice to say that more people were killed in Jesus's name, fact is the numbers don't show that, also lets not forget that, saying something was done in God's name or Jesus's name doesn't equate to it being so.
Never confuse reason with excuses.
Hitler's Nazis alone wiped out 6 million jews and over 10 million Russians.

And yes, for a Christian the Old Covenant is not applicable/obsolete/fulfilled, whatever term floats your boat.
Obviously that is not the case for our Jewish Brothers.

[MasterKiller]

They dont target day care centers, pizza parlors, or grocery stores as legitimate targets. They dont fly airplanes into tall buildings loaded with innocent civilians.

I notice you conveniently left off abortion clinics and doctors from your list.

And let's not forget, Hitler was influenced by Christianity, not Islam.

[1bad65]

I notice you conveniently left off abortion clinics and doctors from your list.

And let's not forget, Hitler was influenced by Christianity, not Islam.

But you don't see Christian leaders paying for the abortion doctor's killers attorneys. You don't see them writing enormous checks to the killer's families. You don't see churches training groups of abortion doctor killers.

And Hitler was into the occult and ancient religions (like the Teutonic Knights) alot more than Christianity.

[1bad65]

Why, they love you so much that they'll even feel bad as they shoot you when you attempt to flee the country!

Remember; free countries build walls to keep people out, communist/socialist countries build walls to keep people in.

[MasterKiller]

You don't see churches training groups of abortion doctor killers. Have you seen "Jesus Camp"? Looks to me like a whole generation of fanatics and killers is being trained.


And Hitler was into the occult and ancient religions (like the Teutonic Knights) alot more than Christianity.

My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.

In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.

Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.

As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice . . .

And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery.

When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited. --Adolf Hitler

[David Jamieson]

I don't see your stats. I see a few names but not stats.

To start with the deaths in Russia were due to many factors. Same with Mao and Pot. They don't hold a candle to the European holocaust and the American and Canadian Holocausts that were cause by manifest destiny and the American Indain genocide.

1. http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.TAB1.GIF

2. http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.FIG1.GIF

3. http://thereligionofpeace.com/

4. http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/30022

You want more? I can provide you with plenty of empirical data if you wish.


as for the NA genocide: here: http://hnn.us/articles/7302.html

yes, it happened. about 90% of the native population was wiped out in NA.

In about 1500 there were some 12 million natives that were reduced to less than 1/2 a million.

Not justifying it. It happened long before I was born. Mao was during my lifetime and he tripled that number in his era.

So, is there anything else you require before we move on or are you gonna continue with the communist sympathizer / self hating westerner routine as is your apparent raison d'etre here?

Dude, this is a real problem worth really discussing.

What do you think a solution would be? What do you propose that would differ from what I propose above which is essentially a combination of buying them out and crushing the militant portions. To do this, all we need is the political will to stop capitulating on what NEEDS to be done.

Decide to do it, then do it. That is what is required, not a bunch of hand wringing, second thinking and political jibber jabber. We've had that for 8 years now, time to finish this up and get on with the world. We cannot remain in this state of perpetual war.

[Drake]

Hitler was really into the occult. If anything, his statements accent his mental deterioration...

[BoulderDawg]

Have you seen "Jesus Camp"? Looks to me like a whole generation of killers is being trained.



My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.

In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.

Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.

As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice . . .

And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery.

When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited." --Adolf Hitler


Whoa! Looks like Bad got slapped down good and hard!:D

Their next step is "Well Hitler was a commie/socialist anyway do it doesn't matter!:D

That kinda reminds me of the lastest adventures of Limby. He found this article that supposely Obama had written in college and spent two hours on his show just blasting Obama as the biggest commie/soc that ever lived. Them someone said, "Limby that was fake he didn't write it." Of course LImby didn't miss a beat paraphasing "Well it's all true anyway":D

[1bad65]

really.

stats me man.

stalin = commie =millions killed

mao = commie = millions killed

pol pot= commie = 1+million killed

you gonna talk about some medieval crusade stuff or something? you familiar wit the Moors by the way?

dude, throwing out staements like that doesn't mean anything if you cannot back it up. also, one doesn't preclude the other. logic flaw. :)

Stalin killed between 4 and 10 million people, not including the famine victims. The famine killed at least another 10 million people.

Mao killed between 50 and 70 million people. :eek:

Pol Pot killed between 1.7 to 2.5 million people, approximately 21% of the Cambodian population.

http://sovietinfo.tripod.com/WCR-German_Soviet.pdf
http://sovietinfo.tripod.com/WCR-Scale_Repression.pdf
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm#Mao
http://hawaiireporter.com/story.aspx?1c1d76bb-290c-447b-82dd-e295ff0d3d59
Modern China: The Fall and Rise of a Great Power, 1850 to the Present. Fenby, Jonathan p 351
http://www.yale.edu/cgp/

Now lets see some sourced figures by the other side.....

[BoulderDawg]

Hitler was really into the occult. If anything, his statements accent his mental deterioration...

You have been watching too many History (or Hitler) Channel shows. Hitler didn't know jack about the occult. His only interest in it was as to how it could be used to gain more power for him. He was a devout Christian.

[1bad65]

Have you seen "Jesus Camp"? Looks to me like a whole generation of fanatics and killers is being trained.

And the FBI and other law enforcement agencies are turning a blind eye to this? :rolleyes: Get real.

Wait, maybe they don't know about these terrorist training camps. You better inform them of this!

[MasterKiller]

Hitler was really into the occult. If anything, his statements accent his mental deterioration...

Nazi-Vatican Concordat, April 26, 1933: "Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without religious foundation is built on air; consequently all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . ."

An Associated Press article from the Lansing State Journal, February 23, 1933, is headlined, "Hitler Aims Blow at 'Godless' Move," and talks about how Hitler was campaigning against atheist communists and wanted support from Catholic Nazis.

In 1941, Hitler told General Gerhart Engel: "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." He never left the church. He was baptized a Roman Catholic as an infant and was a communicant and altar boy in his youth.

In a speech at Koblenz, August 26, 1934, Hitler said: "National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary it stands on the ground of a real Christianity . . . For their interests cannot fail to coincide with ours alike in our fight against the symptoms of degeneracy in the world of today, in our fight against a Bolshevist culture, against atheistic movement, against criminality, and in our struggle for a consciousness of a community in our national life . . . These are not anti-Christian, these are Christian principles!"

October 24, 1933, in a speech in Berlin, Hitler said: "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."

from Mein Kampf: "I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." In 1938, he quoted those same words in a Reichstag speech.

[1bad65]

MK, care to source that Hitler quote?

Last time you posted alleged quotes, you refused to source them. Than we found out they were FAKE.

I'm waiting for you to source this one......

[David Jamieson]

Have you seen "Jesus Camp"? Looks to me like a whole generation of fanatics and killers is being trained.



My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.

In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.

Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.

As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice . . .

And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery.

When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited. --Adolf Hitler

Are you actually trying to infer that Hitler was on a religious fundamentalist trip?

Dude, he was a totalitarian, authoritarian fascist who used christianity as a convenience to appeal to the softies in german in his time to elect him and allow him to carry out his plans of domination.

To paint Hitler with a Christian brush in the same way that say, Mullah Omar is painted with an Islamist brush is erroneous.

And I think you know it. It's comparing apples to 7/16th wrenches.

the likes of Mullah Omar believe their Islamist agenda. Hitler was all about the 1000 year rule of the world by his master race of blond haired blue eyed germainc peoples.

[BoulderDawg]

Mao killed between 50 and 70 million people. :eek:


Communism is responsible for that? Read your history.

Also, it's the conservatives in this country that have embraced the Chinesegovernmen not the liberals.

As someone said I would disappear in China if I were to go there and voice my opinion on the government.

[David Jamieson]

Whoa! Looks like Bad got slapped down good and hard!:D

Their next step is "Well Hitler was a commie/socialist anyway do it doesn't matter!:D

That kinda reminds me of the lastest adventures of Limby. He found this article that supposely Obama had written in college and spent two hours on his show just blasting Obama as the biggest commie/soc that ever lived. Them someone said, "Limby that was fake he didn't write it." Of course LImby didn't miss a beat paraphasing "Well it's all true anyway":D


Guy, please keep your personal hatred of 1bad out of it.

he's not my favorite poster here either, but at least he's not deteriorating into nyah nyah nyah crap.

[MasterKiller]

Annihilation of the American Indians: 20 million

Atlantic Slave Trade: 18 million

British India: 17 million

[MasterKiller]

MK, care to source that Hitler quote?

Last time you posted alleged quotes, you refused to source them. Than we found out they were FAKE.

I'm waiting for you to source this one......

Do you have a source for inferring I posted a fake quote?

[David Jamieson]

Communism is responsible for that? Read your history.

Also, it's the conservatives in this country that have embraced the Chinesegovernmen not the liberals.

As someone said I would disappear in China if I were to go there and voice my opinion on the government.

Yes, Mao advanced a communist ideal in his country, held a cultural revolution, invited everyone then started killing off anyone who didn't fall in line with his program.
There is reems of evidence to this. If you decide to pick up a book and read, or even a few dozen books, hundreds of internet sites and millions of people have access to this information. Why don't you?

the Chinese government is being brought into normalized relations. Is Obama a conservative? He seems to be getting along with the current chairman just fine.

China, is turning around and turning away from Mao's model. they are gradually getting more into the practice of capitalism and as they move forward, tehy will come to know that the way to really succeed with capitalism is to practice it in a democratic environment where people are motivated!

If you went to China and started to spout off , they'd just kick you out of the country. lol I don't think they could be bothered with one more foreign national seeking to tell them that they are the devil.

I can't wait til they get rid of the commie stuff and come into the 21st century. so far, they have made tremendous progress and yes, rome was not built in a day, but dang, China is moving fast!

[1bad65]

Let's see some sourced Hitler quotes:

In the political relations with the churches in Germany however, Hitler readily adopted a strategy "that suited his immediate political purposes".

The leader of the Hitler Youth stated "the destruction of Christianity was explicitly recognized as a purpose of the National Socialist movement" from the start, but "considerations of expedience made it impossible" publicly to express this extreme position.

Hitler for a time advocated for Germans a form of the Christian faith he called "Positive Christianity", a belief system purged of what he objected to in orthodox Christianity, and featuring added racist elements. By 1940 however, it was public knowledge that Hitler had abandoned advocating for Germans even the syncretist idea of a positive Christianty. Hitler maintained that the "terrorism in religion is, to put it briefly, of a Jewish dogma, which Christianity has universalized and whose effect is to sow trouble and confusion in men's minds."

The Nazi Persecution of the Churches 1933–45 Conway, John S.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/13/weekinreview/word-for-word-case-against-nazis-hitler-s-forces-planned-destroy-german.html
Christianity and the Nazi Movement: A Response, Stiegmann-Gall
The Origins of the Second World War Reconsidered Overy, Richard pp93-115

[solo1]

Annihilation of the American Indians: 20 million

Atlantic Slave Trade: 18 million

British India: 17 million


Annihilation of 20 million indians? 18 million , 17 million ? you couldnt sell that on a good day. I beg to differ but those numbers are not gonna hold up. To assume that "perhaps" Europeans bringing small pox to the new world does not constitute annihilation. If it happened and thats debatable annihilation infers it was intentional.

Atlantic slave trade mean the one that is still going on? Africans selling Africans?

c'mon Masterkiller you have done better then this.

[MasterKiller]

Are you actually trying to infer that Hitler was on a religious fundamentalist trip?

Dude, he was a totalitarian, authoritarian fascist who used christianity as a convenience to appeal to the softies in german in his time to elect him and allow him to carry out his plans of domination.

To paint Hitler with a Christian brush in the same way that say, Mullah Omar is painted with an Islamist brush is erroneous.

And I think you know it. It's comparing apples to 7/16th wrenches.

the likes of Mullah Omar believe their Islamist agenda. Hitler was all about the 1000 year rule of the world by his master race of blond haired blue eyed germainc peoples.

Last time I checked, Hitler himself didn't run amok killing millions. His arguments appealed to a Christian country who bought his sentiment of divine right. Nazis were by and large Christian.

[1bad65]

Do you have a source for inferring I posted a fake quote?

That was posted in that thread.

BTW, you do know in a debate the person making the allegations is supposed to source their figures/facts etc? It's not the other person's job to prove a negative.

[1bad65]

last time i checked, hitler himself didn't run amok killing millions.

do what?!?!?!

[sanjuro_ronin]

Have you seen "Jesus Camp"? Looks to me like a whole generation of fanatics and killers is being trained.



My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.

In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.

Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.

As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice . . .

And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery.

When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited. --Adolf Hitler

yep, Hitler did know the right buttons to press on the right people.

[1bad65]

Annihilation of 20 million indians? 18 million , 17 million ? you couldnt sell that on a good day. I beg to differ but those numbers are not gonna hold up. To assume that "perhaps" Europeans bringing small pox to the new world does not constitute annihilation. If it happened and thats debatable annihilation infers it was intentional.

Atlantic slave trade mean the one that is still going on? Africans selling Africans?

c'mon Masterkiller you have done better then this.

Actually MK lately has been sourcing NOTHING.

And yes, I'd like these sourced as well.

And you can't use a lying, wife-beating, plagiarist as a source either. ;)

[MasterKiller]

That was posted in that thread.

BTW, you do know in a debate the person making the allegations is supposed to source their figures/facts etc? It's not the other person's job to prove a negative.

Right. You made the allegation I posted fake quotes. Where is your source?

[BoulderDawg]

do what?!?!?!

So you think Hilter went around and killed all of those Jews himself?

Musta been a busy man!:eek:

[1bad65]

yep, Hitler did know the right buttons to press on the right people.

I don't think he ever said that. The guy who posted that just last week posted fake quotes. :rolleyes:

Im still waiting for the source of that alleged quote.....

[MasterKiller]

I don't think he ever said that. The guy who posted that just last week posted fake quotes. :rolleyes:

Im still waiting for the source of that alleged quote.....

When you supply the thread where I posted a fake quote, I will supply the source for that Hitler quote.

Quid pro quo.

[Drake]

You ARE aware that Hitler's public statements did not reflect his own personal beliefs/way of living, right?

Last I checked, the bible doesn't suggest conducting experiments on children. Nor does it condone his very unusual personal life.

But hey, what do I know... I've only been to Berlin a few times and seen the evidence firsthand.

[MasterKiller]

You ARE aware that Hitler's public statements did not reflect his own personal beliefs/way of living, right?

Last I checked, the bible doesn't suggest conducting experiments on children. Nor does it condone his very unusual personal life.

But hey, what do I know... I've only been to Berlin a few times and seen the evidence firsthand.

Like I said, it wasn't Hitler throwing those people into ovens....

[MasterKiller]

look, those quotes were faked. I proved it.

Again, you made the allegations. Rush is on 15 hours a week and has written 2 books. If they can't be sourced, they didn't happen.

Try this on for size:

Masterkiller last week said he loves underage boys. Here is his quote: "i love little boys. Nothing can compare to waking up next to a preteen boy." now, prove you never said it....

See, you're being ridiculous. I can't prove a negative. No one can.

and btw, mk is not a child molester. I used a ridiculius example to show his ridiculous accusations.


Where did i post a fake quote?

You accused me of posting a fake quote. Where is it?


Last time you posted alleged quotes, you refused to source them. Than we found out they were FAKE.

Where is your source?

[1bad65]

When you supply the thread where I posted a fake quote, I will supply the source for that Hitler quote.

Quid pro quo.

http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=964290&postcount=12

Dude, what's your problem? Rush is on 15 hours a week, and has written 2 books. It should be easy to source if he said bs like James Earl Ray deserved a Medal of HOnor.

Get real.

And get to sourcing..... ;)

[1bad65]

Like I said, it wasn't Hitler throwing those people into ovens....

You're being ridiculous.

[Drake]

Like I said, it wasn't Hitler throwing those people into ovens....

Nah...it was just his idea, he enabled the event, and he oversaw the entire operation to ensure its "success". Some of his highest ranking officials didn't even know it was happening.

I guarantee you that if Hitler hadn't existed, it never would've happened. Especially since he killed all of his opponents.

[MasterKiller]

Nah...it was just his idea, he enabled the event, and he oversaw the entire operation to ensure its "success". Some of his highest ranking officials didn't even know it was happening.

I guarantee you that if Hitler hadn't existed, it never would've happened. Especially since he killed all of his opponents.

And yet all those German Christians executed his plan because of Hitler's ability to convince them of their divine Christian right.

[1bad65]

You ARE aware that Hitler's public statements did not reflect his own personal beliefs/way of living, right?

Last I checked, the bible doesn't suggest conducting experiments on children. Nor does it condone his very unusual personal life.

But hey, what do I know... I've only been to Berlin a few times and seen the evidence firsthand.

Thank you!

And fyi, anyone can CLAIM to be any religion. Do you really believe that a Christian religion advocates marrying multiple underage girls? Heck no! But people who do that hide behind religion. Religion is a means to an end for certain evil people, nothing more.

[1bad65]

And yet all those German Christians executed his plan because of Hitler's ability to convince them of their divine Christian right.

Learn history.

Dude, he blamed the Jews for everything! Inflation, losing WWI, the Treaty of Versailles, etc. He did not play on people's religion, he played on people's anger.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Hitler was too much of a coward to do anything himself, he was able to talk people into doing it for him, just like any modern day cult leader.
He knew which buttons to press on which people, just like those guys that are turning out islamic terrorists.

[BoulderDawg]

http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=964290&postcount=12

Dude, what's your problem? Rush is on 15 hours a week, and has written 2 books. It should be easy to source if he said bs like James Earl Ray deserved a Medal of HOnor.

Get real.

And get to sourcing..... ;)

And what does that have to do with anything?

I have news for you. Black people in this country hated the man before all of this "Libel" came out and nothing has changed about that.

[1bad65]

Since I posted that link to your fake quotes, when can I expect you to honor your word and source them or admit you got fooled?

[Drake]

Which goes back to the root of the thread. There are hundreds of millions of muslims, and most of them are normal folks. It's the minority who warped Islam to fit their agenda that's causing the problem.

I don't see how a religion that stresses peace, kindness to even your most dangerous enemies, and tolerance of other beliefs became a beheading, world domination-bound shadow cult. Islam got as far as it did because of how it treats others. Yet, we have a band of lunatics who think otherwise.

[MasterKiller]

http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=964290&postcount=12

Dude, what's your problem? Rush is on 15 hours a week, and has written 2 books. It should be easy to source if he said bs like James Earl Ray deserved a Medal of HOnor.

Get real.

And get to sourcing..... ;)

Where did you prove I made those quotes up? Looks to me like you cited where people were refuting them, but no one in there says I personally made them up.

The quote, btw, is from a speech delivered April 12, 1922, published in "My New Order."
http://www.amazon.com/My-new-order-Adolf-Hitler/dp/0374939187

[1bad65]

Hitler was too much of a coward to do anything himself, he was able to talk people into doing it for him, just like any modern day cult leader.
He knew which buttons to press on which people, just like those guys that are turning out islamic terrorists.

Excellent post.

Himmler (the head of the SS), once went to see some of the 'Final Solution' in action. He was present when a man was executed with a shot to the head. Blood and brain matter got on his coat. Himmler nearly fainted and vomited. He immediately left the scene.

Also, your point on Islamic terrorists is 100% true. The leaders advocate the followers to do their bidding. They promise eternal life and the virgins. :rolleyes: Yet neither the leaders or their children strap on the bombs themselves. Makes you wonder if they truly believe their own rhetotric, doesn't it?

[1bad65]

Where did you prove I made those quotes up? Looks to me like you cited where people were refuting them, but no one in there says I personally made them up.

The quote, btw, is from a speech delivered April 12, 1922, published in "My New Order."
http://www.amazon.com/My-new-order-Adolf-Hitler/dp/0374939187

Man, you sound like Rudy Abel trying to weasel out. :rolleyes:

I never said YOU specifically made them up. I said that you posted made up quotes. And I knew they were made up because I've seen his opponents use them for years. Use common sense and stop trying to weasel out.

Either source them, or man up and admit you got fooled.

[BoulderDawg]

Do you really believe that a Christian religion advocates marrying multiple underage girls? Heck no! But people who do that hide behind religion. Religion is a means to an end for certain evil people, nothing more.

In some Christian religions multiple marriages were okay. Socail morals and law has kind of changed that.

Also I've read that Mary was as young as 12 when she was pregnant with Jesus.

Religion is open to the intrepetation of whoever follows it. It has no hard and fast rules. Remember the bible was used by all of you conservatives in the south to justify Jim Crow. And those weren't a few "evil people".

[MasterKiller]

Either source them, or man up and admit you got fooled.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/limbaugh.asp


You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray. We miss you, James. Godspeed From 101 People who are Really Screwing America by Jack Huberman.


I mean, let's face it, we didn't have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I'm not saying we should bring it back; I'm just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark. From 101 People who are Really Screwing America by Jack Huberman.


Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?


Take that bone out of your nose and call me back (to an African American female caller).
Rush Limbaugh acknolwedged he made these two comments in a 1990 Newsday article.


The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies January 1993 issue of Flush Rush Quarterly.

OK, so three of them are quoted but the original source material is lacking. I retract those. The other two were confirmed by him.

[1bad65]

OK, so three of them are quoted but the original source material is lacking. I retract those. The other two were confirmed by him.

Thanks. That was easy enough.

And yes, that Huberman guy is the originator of fake quotes. He refuses to source them to this day.

[BoulderDawg]

It's funny about Limby. He is now saying "What! I didn't say all of that."

However the truth is that is doesn't matter. There is a long, long list of things he has said and done to show his racist tendencies.

The only thing that matters is what people think. If you ran a poll of Black Americans with the question "Is Limby a racist?" You would have about 95% say "yes".

[David Jamieson]

ok, why are we caught in the weeds talking about stuff that was happening before we were even a gleam in our dad's eyes?

we are in the here and now.

In that here and now, we are not facing hitler or stalin or mao we are facing the ideology of islamism which is being pushed by islamo-fascists.

now we can sit around and complain about how we are fat and lazy and wealthy and stupid and so on and so forth.

or we can discuss what some really good solutions to this are.

I think buying up their guns and purchasing their violent intentions will work with the rational people who are involved in the actions called for by the ideologists.

I think the ideologists should have their voice taken away and their ability to coerce their own countrymen with violence removed. A la military intercession.

But so far, our countries are not buying these guys out and as nations who are effected by these groups, we are lacking the political will to do what must be done to end these wars.

These countries, as well as our own deserve to return to normalcy in relations and trade.

it's not right that they still function throughout the Arab world with near impunity although there is starting to be some signs of promise in places like Pakistan.

It's costing us some money to pay the Pakistani army to go and do their dang job, but in my opinion, it's money well spent.

[MasterKiller]

Annihilation of 20 million indians? 18 million , 17 million ? you couldnt sell that on a good day. I beg to differ but those numbers are not gonna hold up. To assume that "perhaps" Europeans bringing small pox to the new world does not constitute annihilation. If it happened and thats debatable annihilation infers it was intentional.

Atlantic slave trade mean the one that is still going on? Africans selling Africans?

c'mon Masterkiller you have done better then this. Between and 10 (1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus.) and 100,000,000 (David Stannard, American Holocaust) natives died between 1492 and 1900. 20 million is a decent estimate on the number directly killed from European activity.

Approximately 8 million Africans were killed during their storage, shipment and initial landing in the New World.[Meltzer, Milton. Slavery: A World History] The amount of life lost in the actual procurement of slaves remains a mystery but may equal or exceed the amount actually enslaved.[Stannard, David. American Holocaust.] These figures would indicate the total number of deaths at around 16 million.

A figure of 11 million enslaved people transported to the Americas is the nearest demonstrable figure historians can produce.[Quick guide: The slave trade; Who were the slaves? BBC News ]

During the British Raj, India experienced some of the worst famines ever recorded, including the Great Famine of 1876–78, in which 6.1 million to 10.3 million people died and the Indian famine of 1899–1900, in which 1.25 to 10 million people died. Recent research, including work by Mike Davis and Amartya Sen,attribute these famines directly to British policy in India.

[David Jamieson]

Between and 10 (1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus.) and 100,000,000 (David Stannard, American Holocaust) natives died between 1492 and 1900. 20 million is a decent estimate on the number directly killed from European activity.

Approximately 8 million Africans were killed during their storage, shipment and initial landing in the New World.[Meltzer, Milton. Slavery: A World History] The amount of life lost in the actual procurement of slaves remains a mystery but may equal or exceed the amount actually enslaved.[Stannard, David. American Holocaust.] These figures would indicate the total number of deaths at around 16 million.

A figure of 11 million enslaved people transported to the Americas is the nearest demonstrable figure historians can produce.[Quick guide: The slave trade; Who were the slaves? BBC News ]

During the British Raj, India experienced some of the worst famines ever recorded, including the Great Famine of 1876–78, in which 6.1 million to 10.3 million people died and the Indian famine of 1899–1900, in which 1.25 to 10 million people died. Recent research, including work by Mike Davis and Amartya Sen,attribute these famines directly to British policy in India.

Dude. What's this got to do with today and islamo fascism being a problem that threatens our countrymen, our relations with other countries and their relations with us?

do you not agree that this is a serious problem and must be resolved?

p.s my late father was a noted scholar of North American Native culture and anthropology.

There was Never 100 million inhabitants in North America prior to European settlement.

Anyway, none of this self loathing anachronistic flagellation means anything to the point of the thread. :)

[MasterKiller]

There was Never 100 million inhabitants in North America prior to European settlement. :) That number is for N and S America. What are you, some sort of SouthAmericanist?

[sanjuro_ronin]

100 million is a huge number, even nowadays.
There are more people around now in those areas because we can colonise them so much better than in the past, we have machines and other stuff ( yes stuff is the technical term).
100 million over all of North, central and south, seems pretty high though...I mean, how many people lived in Europe at that time?

[sanjuro_ronin]

Only one thing can put an islamofascist in his place:
a sexy liberated arab woman !!
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2162/1733339628_1f70281fd3.jpg

[sanjuro_ronin]

http://www.asiandatingzone.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/sexy-arab-girl-chat.jpg

[David Jamieson]

That number is for N and S America. What are you, some sort of SouthAmericanist?

lol, no, but best estimates for NA,SA and CA combined is generally accepted at around teh 50 million mark prior to the columbian voyage of 1492 or, if your like, the first europeans arriving.


there are some wild numbers thrown out like you mention of up to about 110 mililon or so, but archeological records don't support those numbers.

Disease is what took approximately 80% of the american peoples though after first contact and up to the early 1900's when they finally did an actual census that saw less than 1/2 a million peoples of native ancestry left in north america (sorry, im more familiar with these peoples than the CA and SA peoples.

Was there genocidal actions? Yes. Any attempt by one nation at assimilating another or others will generally encompass acts of genocide.

As for slavery, It is worth reminding people that when Britain outlawed slavery, African nations still practiced it. Also worthy of note is that when it was abolished in the US more than a century ago, it was STILL practiced in Africa by Africans.

There is still slavery in the world today. It still occurs all over with the least amount of it being practiced in western nations.

BUt, lets get out of the weeds shall we.

would you agree to paying a surtax to purchase as much arms, ordinance and co-operation from the Af-Pak peoples who are now in bed with the Taliban and the more elusive shadowy organizations like Al-Q and their ilk?

I would. If everyone who could pony up 10 bucks did do that, we could buy off a goodly percentage of them. If necessary, we can do waht we are doing with pakistan which is basically paying them to take care of the crap in their own country and to get on board with the realization that they are dealing with a very real threat.

[1bad65]

And you can't place the blame of slavery deaths entirely on white, European, Christians either. The blacks in Africa sold them to the whites in the first place.

This is true as well:

As for slavery, It is worth reminding people that when Britain outlawed slavery, African nations still practiced it. Also worthy of note is that when it was abolished in the US more than a century ago, it was STILL practiced in Africa by Africans.

There is still slavery in the world today. It still occurs all over with the least amount of it being practiced in western nations.

[BoulderDawg]

Only one thing can put an islamofascist in his place:
a sexy liberated arab woman !!
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2162/1733339628_1f70281fd3.jpg

This girl is hot. The second one looks like she stuffed bowling balls in her panties!

[sanjuro_ronin]

This girl is hot. The second one looks like she stuffed bowling balls in her panties!

You have issues with bowling balls?

[BoulderDawg]

I don't when they are that large!

[David Jamieson]

you don't like the quarter bouncing badonkadonk?

do you like boys or something? lol j/k

that is some hella ass on her.

I'd consider a nibble! :D

[MasterKiller]

http://www.asiandatingzone.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/sexy-arab-girl-chat.jpg

Sorry, but this is perfection.

[1bad65]

Sorry, but this is perfection.

We finally agree. ;)

[BoulderDawg]

Too much junk in the trunk. Also that lady looks a lot older than the first one.

[BoulderDawg]

No, No, No, No, NO!!!!!!!!

If we are going to get into this let me school you guys as to what the perfect butt looks like.

This is a friend of mine who has dam near the perfect butt. Notice the contour...not too big but well rounded:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m6/BoulderDawg/TK_Zona.jpg

[Lucas]

eye of the beholder, and all that.....

[1bad65]

eye of the beholder, and all that.....

Especially when you consider certain people say this guy is an Indian:

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/images/ward.churchil.jpg

[Lucas]

Especially when you consider certain people say this guy is an Indian:

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/images/ward.churchil.jpg

lol, i was talking about the booty, but hell, im more native looking than that and im only 1/4

ill give him the nose tho...

[Lucas]

http://www.nobodydanceshere.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/native-americans-fighting-terrorism-warriors-braves-fighters.gif
:D:D:D:D:D

[MasterKiller]

No, No, No, No, NO!!!!!!!!

If we are going to get into this let me school you guys as to what the perfect butt looks like.

This is a friend of mine who has dam near the perfect butt. Notice the contour...not too big but well rounded:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m6/BoulderDawg/TK_Zona.jpg

Looks like a 12-year old boy.

Real women have curves.

[David Jamieson]

Them Apaches sure liked them winchesters. lol It helped them to kill off their own enemies.

I wonder how much shock peiople would be in to learn that one of the tactics that was used by European military forces was to dwindle native populations by appealing to their own bloodlust.

for instance:

"Oh hey there how'd you like to get rid of your enemy up the river a bit? we'll help you."

"Ok, lets go"

**bang bang bang, slaughter slaughter slaughter **
"thanks for the blankets",
"merci bocoup"

... and another village gone.

The process became iterative and the tactic was used again and again.
people who think it was fairy land of peace and happy happy here in the americas before the euros arrived are delusional.

That butt with the tramnp stamp looks like a young teenager. eye of the beholder is right. I 'd take super glutes in a second, but meh, to each their own T&A ;D

[Lucas]

Them Apaches sure liked them winchesters. lol It helped them to kill off their own enemies.

I wonder how much shock peiople would be in to learn that one of the tactics that was used by European military forces was to dwindle native populations by appealing to their own bloodlust.

for instance:

"Oh hey there how'd you like to get rid of your enemy up the river a bit? we'll help you."

"Ok, lets go"

**bang bang bang, slaughter slaughter slaughter **
"thanks for the blankets",
"merci bocoup"

... and another village gone.

The process became iterative and the tactic was used again and again.
people who think it was fairy land of peace and happy happy here in the americas before the euros arrived are delusional.

That butt with the tramnp stamp looks like a young teenager. eye of the beholder is right. I 'd take super glutes in a second, but meh, to each their own T&A ;D

yep. tribal wars and territory feuds were part of the people. the different tribes that waged war and raided against each other viewed themselves as different people. there wasnt one huge hippy tribe. there were quite a few and some of them hated each other with a passion. most people forget that they were the only ones here. some of the seperated tribes could be akin to saxon/normand...

[Lucas]

now that you mention it, its crazy how much of the ditry work the apache did....what was the name of that one guy that broke off and took most of the tribe with him and started their own? thats where the 'indian vs cowboy' kinda came from, those mofos raided hard on the white man.....till they were destroyed.

[Lucas]

was it geronimo?

oh ya, and scalping, not native to native americans, that was taken from the settlers.

there was a price on apache scalps. the favor was then returned.

crazy stuff

[BoulderDawg]

I think a lot of it is the difference between enlightened liberal thinkers and conservatives.

Physically a liberal appreciates a girl who is in extremely good shape. They also like girls that are proud of their bodies and like to show them off. Also Liberals are turned on by the girl that takes a chance (Tats, piercings etc). Although in this picture that Tattoo is one of those Henna things. But no matter how good looking a girl is she has to have smarts and be able to hold her own in a conversation.

Conservatives seem to like women who are more Rubenequese. They like the stereotypical big boobs/butts girl with no brains.

[MasterKiller]

Them Apaches sure liked them winchesters. lol It helped them to kill off their own enemies.

I wonder how much shock peiople would be in to learn that one of the tactics that was used by European military forces was to dwindle native populations by appealing to their own bloodlust.

for instance:

"Oh hey there how'd you like to get rid of your enemy up the river a bit? we'll help you."

"Ok, lets go"

**bang bang bang, slaughter slaughter slaughter **
"thanks for the blankets",
"merci bocoup"

... and another village gone.

The process became iterative and the tactic was used again and again.
people who think it was fairy land of peace and happy happy here in the americas before the euros arrived are delusional.
;D

People wouldn't be too surprised. Rap groups have been accusing the government of doing the same thing in the ghettos since 1987 ;)

[MasterKiller]

was it geronimo?

oh ya, and scalping, not native to native americans, that was taken from the settlers.

there was a price on apache scalps. the favor was then returned.

crazy stuff

And who stole Geronimo's skull? A Bush! I think we can see where this is going...

[MasterKiller]

I think a lot of it is the difference between enlightened liberal thinkers and conservatives.

Physically a liberal appreciates a girl who is in extremely good shape. They also like girls that are proud of their bodies and like to show them off. Also Liberals are turned on by the girl that takes a chance (Tats, piercings etc). Although in this picture that Tattoo is one of those Henna things. But no matter how good looking a girl is she has to have smarts and be able to hold her own in a conversation.

Conservatives seem to like women who are more Rubenequese. They like the stereotypical big boobs/butts girl with no brains.

http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/130264-1/Mechanical_bull_fat.gif

[Lucas]

lol that ****in rocks

[BoulderDawg]

http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/130264-1/Mechanical_bull_fat.gif

I'm sure all the conservatives here are drooling at that!:p

By the TK was very impressed with whoever said she looked like a teenager. She's 34.

[David Jamieson]

"ya gotta keep em separated" - offspring

:D

[MasterKiller]

http://mydrunkpix.com/uploads/pics/thumbs/755-315.jpg

[Lucas]

that has to be the worst case of horse face ive ever seen.....

[David Jamieson]

monkeys + calculus class =fail.

I'll try to keep the off topic stuff about fluff from now on I promise. :p

[1bad65]

At least now in America people are equal under the law. Men, women, people of all colors. Some Muslim coutries still execute women for being the victim of a rape.

[solo1]

Between and 10 (1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus.) and 100,000,000 (David Stannard, American Holocaust) natives died between 1492 and 1900. 20 million is a decent estimate on the number directly killed from European activity.

Approximately 8 million Africans were killed during their storage, shipment and initial landing in the New World.[Meltzer, Milton. Slavery: A World History] The amount of life lost in the actual procurement of slaves remains a mystery but may equal or exceed the amount actually enslaved.[Stannard, David. American Holocaust.] These figures would indicate the total number of deaths at around 16 million.

A figure of 11 million enslaved people transported to the Americas is the nearest demonstrable figure historians can produce.[Quick guide: The slave trade; Who were the slaves? BBC News ]

During the British Raj, India experienced some of the worst famines ever recorded, including the Great Famine of 1876–78, in which 6.1 million to 10.3 million people died and the Indian famine of 1899–1900, in which 1.25 to 10 million people died. Recent research, including work by Mike Davis and Amartya Sen,attribute these famines directly to British policy in India.


Boo frickin Hoo. The history of the world is full of tragedy and wrongdoing. I suppose since this may or may not have taken place we should all sit around sing Kumbayah and hold hands with our enemies and hope to understand them.. We came, we conquered, you lost welcome to the wonderful world of human history. as far as Islamofascists exterminate them any any means necessary. This doesnt refute any statment regarding Christian and Jews. In this day and age they dont kill as a result of perverted religious dogma, Muslims do.

[1bad65]

Between and 10 (1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus.) and 100,000,000 (David Stannard, American Holocaust) natives died between 1492 and 1900. 20 million is a decent estimate on the number directly killed from European activity.

The amount of life lost in the actual procurement of slaves remains a mystery but may equal or exceed the amount actually enslaved.[Stannard, David. American Holocaust.] These figures would indicate the total number of deaths at around 16 million.


I knew that name sounded familiar.....

"In his notorious essay, “Uniqueness as Denial: The Politics of Genocide Scholarship,” Stannard wrote that millions of Jewish deaths during the Holocaust were attributable to “the same so-called natural phenomena... that were also the immediate cause of death for many of the Americas’ indigenous people.” He maintained that “fully half the Jewish victims of the Holocaust… died from disease and destitution,” and not from gassing or shooting. He added that Jewish historians who distinguish the American Founding from the Final Solution are motivated by a theology of “chosenness” involving “the maintenance of blood purity” and by the need to justify the “territorial expansionism” of their “theocratic state,” namely Israel.

In his book, A Little Matter of Genocide, Ward Churchill asserted that the murder of Europe’s Jews was never a “fixed policy objective” for the Nazis. Instead, he discovered “a rather erratic and contradictory hodgepodge of anti-Jewish policies.” He claimed that Jewish academics are engaged in a conspiracy to suppress all other historical instances of genocide, including that of the American Indians. He accused these “Holocaust exclusivists” of seeking to maintain “the privileged political status of Israel,” to reinforce “Judaism’s theological belief in itself as comprising a ‘special’ or ‘chosen’ people,” and to conceal “Israel’s ongoing genocide” against Arabs."

http://www.paulbogdanor.com/antisemitism/wardchurchill.html

So, we know this guy is a borderline Holocaust denier and in cahoots with the known fraud and plagiarist Ward Churchill! :rolleyes: I'd hardly call garbage like that a reliable source.

[GLW]

"In this day and age they dont kill as a result of perverted religious dogma, Muslims do. "

Tell that to Dr. Tiller and his family....but Tiller can't hear you...he is dead - killed by a religious fundamentalist with an unreasoning anti-choice agenda.

[1bad65]

"In this day and age they dont kill as a result of perverted religious dogma, Muslims do. "

Tell that to Dr. Tiller and his family....but Tiller can't hear you...he is dead - killed by a religious fundamentalist with an unreasoning anti-choice agenda.

Once again I have to point out that Christian leaders did not praise his killer as a "martyr". Christian religious leaders did not promise him eternal happiness and a truckload of virgins. They did not write his family a large check. He was not trained to kill abortion doctors by his church.

That's not a good comparison, try again.

[BoulderDawg]

I knew that name sounded familiar.....

"In his notorious essay, “Uniqueness as Denial: The Politics of Genocide Scholarship,” Stannard wrote that millions of Jewish deaths during the Holocaust were attributable to “the same so-called natural phenomena... that were also the immediate cause of death for many of the Americas’ indigenous people.” He maintained that “fully half the Jewish victims of the Holocaust… died from disease and destitution,” and not from gassing or shooting. He added that Jewish historians who distinguish the American Founding from the Final Solution are motivated by a theology of “chosenness” involving “the maintenance of blood purity” and by the need to justify the “territorial expansionism” of their “theocratic state,” namely Israel.

In his book, A Little Matter of Genocide, Ward Churchill asserted that the murder of Europe’s Jews was never a “fixed policy objective” for the Nazis. Instead, he discovered “a rather erratic and contradictory hodgepodge of anti-Jewish policies.” He claimed that Jewish academics are engaged in a conspiracy to suppress all other historical instances of genocide, including that of the American Indians. He accused these “Holocaust exclusivists” of seeking to maintain “the privileged political status of Israel,” to reinforce “Judaism’s theological belief in itself as comprising a ‘special’ or ‘chosen’ people,” and to conceal “Israel’s ongoing genocide” against Arabs."

http://www.paulbogdanor.com/antisemitism/wardchurchill.html

So, we know this guy is a borderline Holocaust denier and in cahoots with the known fraud and plagiarist Ward Churchill! :rolleyes: I'd hardly call garbage like that a reliable source.

Once again the tactics and stragedy of the neo right. Don't attack the message attack the messager. Claiming that Stannard and Churchill are anti-semantic.
No need to even defend that to those crazy enough to buy into it.

I went to Paul Bogdanor's website. He is no friend of Israel. He preaches no peace, no compromise with any Arab nation. He has an agenda.

To be honest if I was an Arab living in that region I would be scared to death of people like this.

[GLW]

Yet once again YOU missed the point....

Point 1 : Talking in ABSOLUTES unless you are drinking Vodka, yields nothing of value.

Point 2 : IslamoFascism is a made up word that is a major fearmongering talking point. It is more precise to talk about the dangers of Islamic Extremists.

Point 3 : Extremism of any sort tends to lead to atrocities. There ARE Christian extremists...and they do heinous things. There are Islamic Extremists and they do heinous things. Currently, there are more noticeable Islamic Extremists...but there are also Christian groups who tout approaches and support actions that are anything but Christ-like.

Now, if you want to talk about the dangers of radical extremists....great.

But keep in mind, we in the USA are pretty slow to figure stuff out. So many talk about how the world changed Sept. 11, 2001.

Nope... the world changed in 1972 when terrorists killed athletes in Munich. That was the point in time that the entire world SHOULD have stood up and said such actions were NOT acceptable and those who did them were not to be given safe haven anywhere.

Didn't happen.... There were countless other examples of terrorism and extremism all over the world. A lot done by Islamic extremists...but there are other groups as well.

Want to decry extremism...fine... but do it in ALL forms.

[MasterKiller]

Boo frickin Hoo. The history of the world is full of tragedy and wrongdoing. I suppose since this may or may not have taken place we should all sit around sing Kumbayah and hold hands with our enemies and hope to understand them.. We came, we conquered, you lost welcome to the wonderful world of human history. as far as Islamofascists exterminate them any any means necessary. This doesnt refute any statment regarding Christian and Jews. In this day and age they dont kill as a result of perverted religious dogma, Muslims do.

Well, then if Muslims come in and kick your @ss and drop nuclear bombs on Israel, then you have nothing to complain about. Just the way the world works.

Boo hoo, three buildings got hit by planes....:rolleyes:

[1bad65]

Nope... the world changed in 1972 when terrorists killed athletes in Munich. That was the point in time that the entire world SHOULD have stood up and said such actions were NOT acceptable and those who did them were not to be given safe haven anywhere.

You left out two words; It was Islamic terrorists who murdered the Jewish athletes in Munich.

And while the whole world should have stepped up, they didn't. But one country did, Israel. To this day, the surviving Islamic terrorists who Israel did not deal with are still in deep hiding, terrified to show their faces. And the ones hiding also have not committed any other terrorist acts.

[1bad65]

Once again the tactics and stragedy of the neo right. Don't attack the message attack the messager. Claiming that Stannard and Churchill are anti-semantic.
No need to even defend that to those crazy enough to buy into it.

Dude, are you this dumb?

When you use a guy who is a KNOWN plagiarist who has repeatedly been caught making up facts (and using an alias as his source :rolleyes:), anyone debating you is gonna point that out.

And I never called either of those fools "anti-semantic" (whatever that means ;)). I said Stannard was a "borderline Holocaust denier".

Why you've bought into either of these pillars of untruths is beyond me. But hey, at least Stannard never pretended to be an Indian.

[BoulderDawg]

Dude, are you this dumb?

When you use a guy who is a KNOWN plagiarist who has repeatedly been caught making up facts (and using an alias as his source :rolleyes:), anyone debating you is gonna point that out.

And I never called either of those fools "anti-semantic" (whatever that means ;)). I said Stannard was a "borderline Holocaust denier".

Why you've bought into either of these pillars of untruths is beyond me. But hey, at least Stannard never pretended to be an Indian.

Your entire philosophy and agenda is built on hate. How do you get someone to follow you? Simple! You just play against his fears, teach him how to hate and he's yours.

Hardly any of your argument is espousing the benefits recieved by being conversatives. It's is mostly buildiong up a hatred of the other side. That pretty obvious. Norice what was said about Rev Sharpton and Rev Jackson in the other thread. Notice how when a journalist attacked a shock jock (not even a politcal leader just some guy on the radio) they dug through the man's past and used it to smear him. Par for the course. It's been used throughout history and has been successful. However in most cases later on history uncovers that the reason they had to use hate and fear was because they had nothing else.

[sanjuro_ronin]

It wouldn't hurt you guys to actually get back on subject.
sheesh, its like two old wh0res battling it out over a 90 year old John !

[MasterKiller]

You left out two words; It was Islamic terrorists who murdered the Jewish athletes in Munich.

And while the whole world should have stepped up, they didn't. But one country did, Israel. To this day, the surviving Islamic terrorists who Israel did not deal with are still in deep hiding, terrified to show their faces. And the ones hiding also have not committed any other terrorist acts.

Japenese soldiers experimented on prisoners of war using the same methods as the Germans. MacArthur gave them clemency in exchange for the DATA from their experiments.

One man's terrorists is another man's opportunist.

[1bad65]

Japenese soldiers experimented on prisoners of war using the same methods as the Germans. MacArthur gave them clemency in exchange for the DATA from their experiments.

One man's terrorists is another man's opportunist.

I'm quite well versed in history, and have never heard that about MacArthur. Can you source that?

I do know he pushed for Gen Yama****a's execution, despite many others felling he wasn't a war criminal. To this day many feel he did that simply because Yama****a defeated him in 1941-2.

[1bad65]

Your entire philosophy and agenda is built on hate. How do you get someone to follow you? Simple! You just play against his fears, teach him how to hate and he's yours.

You can't comprehend anything not written by a plagiarist, can you? Dude, when using a source, that source's validity and truthfulness will be a factor. It's not my fault those sources are Holocaust deniers. He used them, not me.


Notice how when a journalist attacked a shock jock (not even a politcal leader just some guy on the radio) they dug through the man's past and used it to smear him. Par for the course.

Yet you left out the part where the 'journalist' used made-up quotes for his argument! His past is out of bounds, but Rush's can be attacked by using fake quotes???? :confused:

[1bad65]

It wouldn't hurt you guys to actually get back on subject.
sheesh, its like two old wh0res battling it out over a 90 year old John !

Actually it started by comparing Americans/Indians with Muslims/civilized people. And the sources used to attack the Americans are fair game. And they are proven Holocaust deniers. And one is a known fraud and admitted liar.

[BoulderDawg]

Yet you left out the part where the 'journalist' used made-up quotes for his argument! His past is out of bounds, but Rush's can be attacked by using fake quotes???? :confused:

What does that have to do with anything? Why should you care? Rush Limbaugh is simply a radio personality.

I mean if someone makes up someting about Keith Olbermann or Rachel Maddow I'm not going to go nuts and start looking for dirt on their attackers. Neither is anyone else.

Or are you saying what all of us already know? That is this radio shock jock who flunked out of college in his first semester is actually the power in the conservative movement.

[MasterKiller]

I'm quite well versed in history, and have never heard that about MacArthur. Can you source that?

I do know he pushed for Gen Yama****a's execution, despite many others felling he wasn't a war criminal. To this day many feel he did that simply because Yama****a defeated him in 1941-2.
You can attack wikipedia, but it's 3:30 and I'm about to head home. There are plenty of sources of information on Unit 731.


After Imperial Japan surrendered to the Allies in 1945, Douglas MacArthur became the Supreme Commander of the Allied Powers, rebuilding Japan during the Allied occupation. MacArthur secretly granted immunity to the physicians of Unit 731 in exchange for providing America with their research on biological warfare.[7]

The United States believed that the research data was valuable because the Allies had never conducted or condoned such experiments on humans due to moral and political revulsion. The United States also did not want other nations, particularly the Soviet Union, to acquire data on biological weapons, not to mention the military benefits of such research.[23]


Unit 731 was a covert biological and chemical warfare research and development unit of the Imperial Japanese Army that undertook lethal human experimentation during the Second Sino-Japanese War (1937–1945) and World War II. It was responsible for some of the most notorious war crimes carried out by Japanese personnel.

Unit 731 was the code name of an Imperial Japanese Army unit officially known as the Kempeitai Political Department and Epidemic Prevention Research Laboratory. It was initially set up under the Kempeitai military police of the Empire of Japan to develop weapons of mass destruction for potential use against Chinese, and possibly Soviet forces.

A special project code-named Maruta used human beings for experiments. Test subjects were gathered from the surrounding population and were sometimes referred to euphemistically as "logs" (丸太, maruta?).[11] This term originated as a joke on the part of the staff due to the fact that the official cover story for the facility given to the local authorities was that it was a lumber mill.[12]

The test subjects were selected to give a wide cross section of the population, and included common criminals, captured bandits and anti-Japanese partisans, political prisoners, and also people rounded up by the secret police for alleged "suspicious activities". They included infants, the elderly, and pregnant women.

Vivisection
Prisoners of war were subjected to vivisection without anesthesia.[13][11]
Vivisections were performed on prisoners after infecting them with various diseases. Scientists performed invasive surgery on prisoners, removing organs to study the effects of disease on the human body. These were conducted while the patients were alive because it was feared that the decomposition process would affect the results.[14][11] The infected and vivisected prisoners included men, women, children, and infants.[15]
Vivisections were also performed on pregnant women, sometimes impregnated by doctors, and the fetus removed.[16]
Prisoners had limbs amputated in order to study blood loss.[11]
Those limbs that were removed were sometimes re-attached to the opposite sides of the body.[11]
Some prisoners' limbs were frozen and amputated, while others had limbs frozen then thawed to study the effects of the resultant untreated gangrene and rotting.
Some prisoners had their stomachs surgically removed and the esophagus reattached to the intestines.[11]
Parts of the brain, lungs, liver, etc. were removed from some prisoners.[17][13][11]
In 2007, Doctor Ken Yuasa testified to the Japan Times that, "I was afraid during my first vivisection, but the second time around, it was much easier. By the third time, I was willing to do it." He believes at least 1,000 persons, including surgeons, were involved in vivisections over mainland China.[18]

Weapons testing
Human targets were used to test grenades positioned at various distances and in different positions.[11]
Flame throwers were tested on humans.[11]
Humans were tied to stakes and used as targets to test germ-releasing bombs, chemical weapons and explosive bombs.[11]

Germ warfare attacks
Prisoners were injected with inoculations of disease, disguised as vaccinations, to study their effects.[11]
To study the effects of untreated venereal diseases, male and female prisoners were deliberately infected with syphilis and gonorrhea, then studied[11].
Prisoners were infested with fleas in order to acquire large quantities of disease-carrying fleas for the purposes of studying the viability of germ warfare[citation needed].
Plague fleas, infected clothing, and infected supplies encased in bombs were dropped on various targets. The resulting cholera, anthrax, and plague were estimated to have killed around 400,000 Chinese civilians.[11]
Tularemia was tested on Chinese civilians.[19]
Unit 731 and its affiliated units (Unit 1644, Unit 100, et cetera) were actively involved not only in research and development, but also in experimental deployment of epidemic-creating biowarfare weapons in assaults against the Chinese populace (both civilian and military) throughout World War II. Plague-infested fleas, bred in the laboratories of Unit 731 and Unit 1644, were spread by low-flying airplanes upon Chinese cities, coastal Ningbo in 1940, and Changde, Hunan Province, in 1941. This military aerial spraying killed thousands of people with bubonic plague epidemics.[20]

Other experiments
Prisoners were subjected to other experiments such as:

being hung upside down to see how long it would take for them to choke to death.[11]
having air injected into their arteries to determine the time until the onset of embolism.[11]
having horse urine injected into their kidneys.[11]
being deprived of food and water to determine the length of time until death.
being placed into high-pressure chambers until death.
being exposed to extreme temperatures and developing frostbite to determine how long humans could survive with such an affliction, and to determine the effects of rotting and gangrene on human flesh.[11]
having experiments performed upon prisoners to determine the relationship between temperature, burns, and human survival.
being placed into centrifuges and spun until dead.
having animal blood injected and the effects studied.
being exposed to lethal doses of x-ray radiation.
having various chemical weapons tested on prisoners inside gas chambers.
being injected with sea water to determine if it could be a substitute for saline.
being buried alive. (Victims included infants.)
[edit] Biological warfare
Japanese scientists performed tests on prisoners with plague, cholera, smallpox, botulism and other diseases.[21] This research led to the development of the defoliation bacilli bomb and the flea bomb used to spread the bubonic plague.[22] Some of these bombs were designed with ceramic (porcelain) shells, an idea proposed by Ishii in 1938.

These bombs enabled Japanese soldiers to launch biological attacks, infecting agriculture, reservoirs, wells, and other areas with anthrax, plague-carrier fleas, typhoid, dysentery, cholera, and other deadly pathogens. During biological bomb experiments, scientists dressed in protective suits would examine the dying victims. Infected food supplies and clothing were dropped by airplane into areas of China not occupied by Japanese forces. In addition, poisoned food and candies were given out to unsuspecting victims and children, and the results examined.

[1bad65]

What does that have to do with anything? Why should you care? Rush Limbaugh is simply a radio personality.

I mean if someone makes up someting about Keith Olbermann or Rachel Maddow I'm not going to go nuts and start looking for dirt on their attackers. Neither is anyone else.

Or are you saying what all of us already know? That is this radio shock jock who flunked out of college in his first semester is actually the power in the conservative movement.

Come on now, you were getting better. Please don't regress.

What it has to do with is the truth. Journalists, and anyone else for that matter, cannot just make up and/or report FALSE things about people. There are actually civil laws on the books covering this. We have Freedom of Speech, but not freedom to slander.

And yes, if someone made up quotes about those people, and they had ran over someone while drunk and left them to die, you can bet your bottom dollar it would come out.

Flunking out of college is not a measure of a man. Where did you graduate? And fyi, Bill Gates never graduated college either. And both him and Rush make more in a month than you do in a decade.

[1bad65]

You can attack wikipedia, but it's 3:30 and I'm about to head home. There are plenty of sources of information on Unit 731.

There were Japanese charged and convicted for war crimes. And some involved Unit 731.

I just asked you source your allegation that MacArthur gave them clemency, as I had never heard that. I was familiar with Unit 731 though.

[Drake]

*raises hand*

I'll attack Wikipedia, especially as a source. It's an open source reference, meaning anyone can pretty much write anything on wikipedia, and unless someone directly complains, it will remain there. Just an FYI, but most college-level courses will give you a flat out "F" if you attempt to use wikipedia as a source. It's lazy resourcing, and generally inaccurate.

[BoulderDawg]

Flunking out of college is not a measure of a man. Where did you graduate? And fyi, Bill Gates never graduated college either. And both him and Rush make more in a month than you do in a decade.

Is money the measure of a man? If that's the case then I have to give it to Limby! He wins! No doubt about it.

That said I never flunked out of school and I just like to think, even given his millions, that I'm just happier than this man. For one thing I don't have to a take a boat load of blue pills just to have a little fun in bed. I'll bet that Limby would trade 40-50 million just to be able to say that!:D

By the way Gates did not flunk out. He voluntarily quit school...Limby did not have the choice!:p

[BoulderDawg]

There were Japanese charged and convicted for war crimes. And some involved Unit 731.

Most of us liberals are still stratching our heads and wondering why Truman did not face charges of crimes against humanity for killing thousands of innocent Japanese women and children.

[GLW]

You left out two words; It was Islamic terrorists who murdered the Jewish athletes in Munich.

And while the whole world should have stepped up, they didn't. But one country did, Israel. To this day, the surviving Islamic terrorists who Israel did not deal with are still in deep hiding, terrified to show their faces. And the ones hiding also have not committed any other terrorist acts.

And again you miss the point.

Had it been a few years earlier, it could have just as easily been someone working with Moshe Dayan... The ruling elite or Israel were almost all - by their definition, freedom fighters and by modern definitions extremists and terrorists.

Whether or not they were Moslem or not is immaterial...unless of course you are postulating that ALL of ISLAM is bad and should be treated as such.

But then again, if you REALLY want to kill people on the scale of 10s of millions...that is the road you are going down.

Also, should you be ranting NOT against Religious Extremists of all stripes, but one type AND complaining that the non-extremists do not denounce the extremists... well :

(1) Many DO denounce them

(2) Many that do not denounce them are using them for political gain.

(3) Many that do not denounce them are Extremists in their beliefs but simply do not act on them...more like armchair terrorists.

(4) There ARE Christian Extremists and many right wing people professing Christian beliefs that do not denounce the extreme positions...such as a minister praying for the death of certain people....

Extremism and attacking the innocent is bad no matter who it is. To draw the distinction of it being all those bad Islamic people...is being myopic.

Your rant against Islam is what it is.... but your seem to be unable to accept the mantle you are choosing.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

[Drake]

However, there ARE a hell of a lot more muslim terrorists than christian ones.

[Drake]

Most of us liberals are still stratching our heads and wondering why Truman did not face charges of crimes against humanity for killing thousands of innocent Japanese women and children.

Because he saved millions of lives on both sides had a mainland attack been used. I'm sure the Chinese who suffered rape and murder under Japanese monsters were quite happy that the war was ended when it was.

Don't forget, Japan attacked us first.

[1bad65]

Most of us liberals are still stratching our heads and wondering why Truman did not face charges of crimes against humanity for killing thousands of innocent Japanese women and children.

That's why most people consider you guys loons.

[1bad65]

"I'm proud that I was able to start with nothing, plan it, and have it work as perfectly as it did... I sleep clearly every night." -Paul Tibbets in 1975

"If you give me the same circumstances, I'd do it again." -Paul Tibbets in 2005

[1bad65]

And again you miss the point.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

Once again I point out: Where are the Christian leaders saying the abortion doctor killers are "martyrs"? Where are the Christian leaders writing the familes of the killers checks? Where are the Christian churches and leaders training these killers? Where are the Christian leaders promising potential killers eternal happiness and a bunch of virgins? Show me, because I can't find them....

Again, that's one of the biggest difference to me.

[1bad65]

Because he saved millions of lives on both sides had a mainland attack been used. I'm sure the Chinese who suffered rape and murder under Japanese monsters were quite happy that the war was ended when it was.

Don't forget, Japan attacked us first.

The Japanese killed more civilians in the 'Rape of Nanking' than were killed in both of the atomic bombings combined.

The Nanjing War Crimes Tribunal held on March 10, 1947 said that more then 300,000 were killed by the Japanese. Also, in December 2007, newly declassified U.S. government documents revealed an additional toll of around 500,000 in the area surrounding Nanking before it was occupied.

The atomic bombs killed as many as 140,000 people in Hiroshima and 80,000 in Nagasaki by the end of 1945.

[BoulderDawg]

Once again I point out: Where are the Christian leaders saying the abortion doctor killers are "martyrs"? Where are the Christian leaders writing the familes of the killers checks? Where are the Christian churches and leaders training these killers? Where are the Christian leaders promising potential killers eternal happiness and a bunch of virgins? Show me, because I can't find them....

Again, that's one of the biggest difference to me.

Once again I point out: Where are the Muslim leaders saying the abortion doctor killers are "martyrs"? Where are the Muslim leaders writing the familes of the killers checks? Where are the Muslim churches and leaders training these killers? Where are the Muslim leaders promising potential killers eternal happiness and a bunch of virgins? Show me, because I can't find them....

Again, that's one of the biggest difference to me.

[BoulderDawg]

The Japanese killed more civilians in the 'Rape of Nanking' than were killed in both of the atomic bombings combined.

The Nanjing War Crimes Tribunal held on March 10, 1947 said that more then 300,000 were killed by the Japanese. Also, in December 2007, newly declassified U.S. government documents revealed an additional toll of around 500,000 in the area surrounding Nanking before it was occupied.

The atomic bombs killed as many as 140,000 people in Hiroshima and 80,000 in Nagasaki by the end of 1945.

So terrorism is okay if it's done as revenge..........Now I understand.

[1bad65]

Once again I point out: Where are the Muslim leaders saying the abortion doctor killers are "martyrs"? Where are the Muslim leaders writing the familes of the killers checks? Where are the Muslim churches and leaders training these killers? Where are the Muslim leaders promising potential killers eternal happiness and a bunch of virgins? Show me, because I can't find them....

Again, that's one of the biggest difference to me.

Anymore ridiculousness like this post, and you're back on ignore.

Any idiot can tell exactly what my point is. So either you're an idiot who can't get it, or you're trolling.

You've been a bit more rational lately, try and keep it that way. And if you need me to spell out my point, just ask and I'll spell it out so you can understand.

[BoulderDawg]

Anymore ridiculousness like this post, and you're back on ignore.

Any idiot can tell exactly what my point is. So either you're an idiot who can't get it, or you're trolling.

You've been a bit more rational lately, try and keep it that way. And if you need me to spell out my point, just ask and I'll spell it out so you can understand.

No names? How surprising!

I have a few: Jim Jones, Timothy McVie, David Koresh, Rush Limbaugh.......

Plus all of those christian psychos running those boot camps, training soldiers for the end of the world.

[1bad65]

No names? How surprising!

I have a few: Jim Jones, Timothy McVie, David Koresh, Rush Limbaugh.......

Plus all of those christian psychos running those boot camps, training soldiers for the end of the world.

Names for what? If you want me to show you Muslin religious leaders saying terrorists are going to Heaven/paradise with virgins, I will. If you want me to show you where Muslims have written checks to suicide bombers families, I will. Just ask.

I'll address the 4 people you brought up now. Jim Jones ran his own 'church'. He was his own denomination. No other church or Christian leader praised Jim Jones. Tim McVeigh did not commit his crime for religious reasons, he did it because he hated the Government. David Koresh also ran his own church. He split off on his own. Just like with Jim Jones, no other church or Christian leader praised Koresh's actions. Rush Limbaugh is also not motivated by religion.

And are these boot camps training terrorists? If so, show me. Heck, if you prove your assertions I'll call the FBI and report them.

[BoulderDawg]

That's according to what you call a "Terrorist".

However I would like to hear the name of a generally accepted muslim religious leader who praised a terrorist that killed innocent people.

Now should I start naming off the Christian leaders who have praised the terrorists George Bush and D Cheney?

Blood money? Wasn't it the US that put bounties on the heads of certain Muslims?

[Drake]

Terrorism and the word terrorist are clearly defined doctrinal terms. If you want to make up a definition and randomly apply names to it, then it will only be valid in your little world, and make your argument utterly irrelevant to the rest of the world. Then again, you also are the one who called certain people anti-semantic, which CLEARLY illustrates how much you really know about the subject you are trying to be controversial about. Fail. AGAIN.

[BoulderDawg]

Terrorism and the word terrorist are clearly defined doctrinal terms. If you want to make up a definition and randomly apply names to it, then it will only be valid in your little world, and make your argument utterly irrelevant to the rest of the world. Then again, you also are the one who called certain people anti-semantic, which CLEARLY illustrates how much you really know about the subject you are trying to be controversial about. Fail. AGAIN.

Who did I call anti-semantic?

[Drake]

We just killed a domestic terrorist. Guy was trying to stockpile arms, and even made threats to turn himself into a suicide bomber.

I bet you I can, off the top of my head, give you a list of muslim islamo-fascists that will dwarf any supposed list of christian terrorists (that being, those who are committing acts of terror motivated by christianity). As of right now, just over the last week or so, over 200 people were killed by islamo-fascists. That already gives them the lead this year, and that's just a single week!

[Drake]

Who did I call anti-semantic?

Why don't you start by providing a definition of anti-semantic. I'd REALLY like to hear this.

[BoulderDawg]

Why don't you start by providing a definition of anti-semantic. I'd REALLY like to hear this.


You just said I called someone anti-semantic? I just ask you who that was. Is that too much information for your brain to process?

Now, who did I call anti-semantic?

[Drake]

You just said I called someone anti-semantic? I just ask you who that was. Is that too much information for your brain to process?

Now, who did I call anti-semantic?

the point is... ANTI SEMANTIC ISN'T A WORD. GOD.

[1bad65]

Terrorism and the word terrorist are clearly defined doctrinal terms. If you want to make up a definition and randomly apply names to it, then it will only be valid in your little world, and make your argument utterly irrelevant to the rest of the world.

This ^

BD, if you want to have a rational discussion, we can. But if you are going to base your philosophy and arguments by saying Bush, Cheney, Truman, etc are terrorists, you're being a loon incapable of rational debate.

[BoulderDawg]

the point is... ANTI SEMANTIC ISN'T A WORD. GOD.

The point is that no matter what the word means or how it is spelled or misspelled you said I called someone that.

Now, the question is simple: For the third time: Who did I call anti semantic?

Do you have an answer or not?

[sanjuro_ronin]

The issue with extremists on BOTH sides of Islam and Christianity is that NEITHER side reads their own "bible" or they pick and choose which parts to spoon feed their "followers" that are to freaking stupid to think for themselves.

This is why the VAST MAJORITY of people in those faiths (and I am talking 100's of millions or even billions), as opposed to the very NOTABLE minority ( And I am talking a few thousands if that) get quite offended when people bunch them up with these radicals.
There are over 300 million Americans and do you guys like it when the WHOLE bunch of you gets viewed as "the same" as bunch of loud mouth extremists from Michigan, shooting beer cans and riding around in pick-ups wearing pink camo gear ?

[BoulderDawg]

Simply put a terrorist is someone who uses acts of violence to instill a feeling of fear and terror into his enemy.

Bush, Cheney, Truman are all terrorist. Just because it's done high tech with bombers by pilots that don't see the enemy doesn't make it any less an act of terrorism. They are no armies in Iraq. Every act committed by the United States in that country is an act of terrorism.

[1bad65]

There are over 300 million Americans and do you guys like it when the WHOLE bunch of you gets viewed as "the same" as bunch of loud mouth extremists from Michigan, shooting beer cans and riding around in pick-ups wearing pink camo gear ?

But again, you don't see those knuckleheads beheading people. You don't see them crashing planes into buildings. You don't see them killing Olympic athletes. You don't see them addressing the UN while carrying a firearm. You don't see them strapping bombs to themselves and killing civilians. You don't see them doing acts like that and then having Christian leaders praising them for doing so and writing checks to their next of kin. That's my point.

[Drake]

The point is that no matter what the word means or how it is spelled or misspelled you said I called someone that.

Now, the question is simple: For the third time: Who did I call anti semantic?

Do you have an answer or not?

Ok, allow me to correct myself. Your ignorant self USED the word anti-semantic, which is not a mispelling. It's a flat out demonstration of lack of basic understanding of the topic, and a general display of ignorance overall.

You used a word that does not exist because you don't even know what you are trying to say. You can call or not call anyone anti-semantic, and it's just gibberish.

[1bad65]

Simply put a terrorist is someone who uses acts of violence to instill a feeling of fear and terror into his enemy.

Bush, Cheney, Truman are all terrorist. Just because it's done high tech with bombers by pilots that don't see the enemy doesn't make it any less an act of terrorism. They are no armies in Iraq. Every act committed by the United States in that country is an act of terrorism.

That's YOUR definition. And it's wrong.

Again, you've repeatedly said that Ward Churchill poseur idiot is an Indian, so you're definitions of things are often not based in reality.

If we are so horrible, why don't you leave? Go to Canada. Or better yet, go to a Muslim country. :D Or leave and go fight against those you call terrorists like that moron John Walker Lindh did.

[sanjuro_ronin]

But again, you don't see those knuckleheads beheading people. You don't see them crashing planes into buildings. You don't see them killing Olympic athletes. You don't see them addressing the UN while carrying a firearm. You don't see them strapping bombs to themselves and killing civilians. You don't see them doing acts like that and then having Christian leaders praising them for doing so and writing checks to their next of kin. That's my point.

Maybe they will after 100's of years of (supposed) oppression.

People in those lands are easy targets of recruiters, most have lost someone they loved to american bombs or bullets ( Or Israeli) and many are too ignorant to question what they are being told/taught.
Those that are educated at times may be even the worse ones !
As they view thier fanatacisim as righteous fanatacisim.
I have always said that the best way to deal with a potential terrorist ( notice potential) is to take the "weapon" out of the hand of the recruiter BEFORE it gets into the hand of the recruit, before he BECOMES a recruit.
After that, you pretty much have to kill him.

[1bad65]

Maybe they will after 100's of years of (supposed) oppression.

Dude, this country was founded by people who were oppressed based on religion!!

You didn't see those people conducting terrorism in England. They left. They found freedom. They were happy.

Heck, if the Muslim leaders would stop preaching hate and teaching their kids how to murder civilians and instead tell them to get an education, maybe the Muslim Middle East countries could step out of the Stone Age. Look at the **** region. Look at Israel. Look at their standard of living. Now look at the Muslim countries.....

[BoulderDawg]

Ok, allow me to correct myself. Your ignorant self USED the word anti-semantic, which is not a mispelling. It's a flat out demonstration of lack of basic understanding of the topic, and a general display of ignorance overall.

You used a word that does not exist because you don't even know what you are trying to say. You can call or not call anyone anti-semantic, and it's just gibberish.


Good for you! You get a gold star!:D

[Drake]

Dude, this country was founded by people who were oppressed based on religion!!

You didn't see those people conducting terrorism in England. They left. They found freedom. They were happy.

Heck, if the Muslim leaders would stop preaching hate and teaching their kids how to murder civilians and instead tell them to get an education, maybe the Muslim Middle East countries could step out of the Stone Age. Look at the **** region. Look at Israel. Look at their standard of living. Now look at the Muslim countries.....

Actually, we did at first. We also were quite adept at insurgency and unconventional warfare. It was not a good time to be a loyalist to England during those times.

However, it did not become a fundamental tenet of our society.

[BoulderDawg]

That's YOUR definition. And it's wrong.




Then what is your definition?

[Drake]

The calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Dude, this country was founded by people who were oppressed based on religion!!

You didn't see those people conducting terrorism in England. They left. They found freedom. They were happy.

Heck, if the Muslim leaders would stop preaching hate and teaching their kids how to murder civilians and instead tell them to get an education, maybe the Muslim Middle East countries could step out of the Stone Age. Look at the **** region. Look at Israel. Look at their standard of living. Now look at the Muslim countries.....

I think the british called them "terrorists".

[BoulderDawg]

The calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.

Yes! Now I see! Whoever has the biggest guns makes the law. Therefore whatever they do is legal and not terrorism. It's all clear now!:D

[Drake]

The Arab nations have their definition, which, if you aren't anti-semantic, will notice that they are essentially the same.

Any act or threat of violence, whatever its motives or purposes, that occurs in the advancement of an individual or collective criminal agenda and seeking to sow panic among people, causing fear by harming them, or placing their lives, liberty or security in danger, or seeking to cause damage to the environment or to public or private installations or property or to occupying or seizing them, or seeking to jeopardize a national resources.

[1bad65]

Actually, we did at first. We also were quite adept at insurgency and unconventional warfare. It was not a good time to be a loyalist to England during those times.

However, it did not become a fundamental tenet of our society.

I actually meant they left England for the New World. They didn't conduct or encourage the murder of British citizens in England.

Yes, there was guerrilla warfare fought here. That happens during wars. It sucks, but it is what it is. But look at the present, we are a separate nation now. We aren't still attacking anything British. We are here, they are there. But look at the Muslims; we are here and they are there, BUT they keep attacking us ON OUR SOIL.

[1bad65]

LMAO at anti-semantic. :D

[sanjuro_ronin]

I actually meant they left England for the New World. They didn't conduct or encourage the murder of British citizens in England.

Yes, there was guerrilla warfare fought here. That happens during wars. It sucks, but it is what it is. But look at the present, we are a separate nation now. We aren't still attacking anything British. We are here, they are there. But look at the Muslims; we are here and they are there, BUT they keep attacking us ON OUR SOIL.

Dude, in a very non PC way, allow me to quote a US SF LT I did some sniper training with, " One man's guerilla is another man;s freedom fighter is another man's terrorist".

[BoulderDawg]

BUT they keep attacking us ON OUR SOIL.

Really? I thought you neos were claiming no more attacks since 9/11. Sounds like you want it both ways.

By the way, what country attacked us?

[1bad65]

Dude, in a very non PC way, allow me to quote a US SF LT I did some sniper training with, " One man's guerilla is another man;s freedom fighter is another man's terrorist".

True. But we can all agree hijacking planes, crashing planes into buildings, using suicide bombers on civilians, etc is terrorism. While collateral damage in a war is not terrorism.

You do agree, right?

[1bad65]

Really? I thought you neos were claiming no more attacks since 9/11. Sounds like you want it both ways.

By the way, what country attacked us?

None since 9/11 on our soil, correct. But there were a ton before, and recently too. The 1990s are not ancient history. And I'm fairly certain part of this war's objectives are to catch the 9/11 mastermind. If I'm wrong on that, I'm sure Drake will correct me.

No countries armed forces attacked us. But some countries trained terrorists, supported terrorists, and paid terrorist's families. You support terrorism, you are a valid target. It's really a simple concept.

[Lucas]

i was watching the news this morning, there was an FBI raid somewhere in Cali on a radical islamic group, there was a shoot out, and the leader of those extremists was shot and killed.

the interviewed agent made a comment that they are seeing a huge rise in america of people becoming extremely organized and well funded within our own borders.

messed up stuff. im just glad they got these guys before they killed a lot of people.

[BoulderDawg]

LMAO at anti-semantic. :D

Very funny. Why not not an entire thread about this. That would be interesting.

[BoulderDawg]

None since 9/11 on our soil, correct. But there were a ton before, and recently too. The 1990s are not ancient history. And I'm fairly certain part of this war's objectives are to catch the 9/11 mastermind. If I'm wrong on that, I'm sure Drake will correct me.

No countries armed forces attacked us. But some countries trained terrorists, supported terrorists, and paid terrorist's families. You support terrorism, you are a valid target. It's really a simple concept.

You said they keep attacking us on our soil. Which is it?

Also, which country other than the United States has supported terrorists?

[BoulderDawg]

i was watching the news this morning, there was an FBI raid somewhere in Cali on a radical islamic group, there was a shoot out, and the leader of those extremists was shot and killed.

the interviewed agent made a comment that they are seeing a huge rise in america of people becoming extremely organized and well funded within our own borders.

messed up stuff. im just glad they got these guys before they killed a lot of people.


I just scanned the CNN site and I didn't see anything. When and where did it happen and what crimes were they accused of?

[1bad65]

You said they keep attacking us on our soil. Which is it?

Also, which country other than the United States has supported terrorists?

They do keep attacking us, it's just that they have not been successful since 9/11.

Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan. There's 3. This isn't a surprise to you, is it?

The US supports terrorism? That's news to me. Can you perhaps provide examples? And remember, we are using the official definition of terrorism, not the 'Ward Churchill followers' definition of terrorism.

[1bad65]

I just scanned the CNN site and I didn't see anything. When and where did it happen and what crimes were they accused of?

I believe this was what he was referring too. If not, this is ANOTHER case of an Islamic radical preaching hate.

"DETROIT - A man described as a leader of a radical Sunni Islam group in the U.S. was fatally shot Wednesday afternoon while resisting arrest and exchanging gunfire with federal agents, authorities said.

Agents at a warehouse in Dearborn were trying to arrest Luqman Ameen Abdullah, 53, on charges that included conspiracy to sell stolen goods and illegal possession and sale of firearms. Ten followers listed in a criminal complaint were also being rounded up in the area."

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2009/10/28/11559396-ap.html

[BoulderDawg]

I believe this was what he was referring too. If not, this is ANOTHER case of an Islamic radical preaching hate.

"DETROIT - A man described as a leader of a radical Sunni Islam group in the U.S. was fatally shot Wednesday afternoon while resisting arrest and exchanging gunfire with federal agents, authorities said.

Agents at a warehouse in Dearborn were trying to arrest Luqman Ameen Abdullah, 53, on charges that included conspiracy to sell stolen goods and illegal possession and sale of firearms. Ten followers listed in a criminal complaint were also being rounded up in the area."

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2009/10/28/11559396-ap.html

Sounds to me like just another brother shot while "resisting arrest".

That's #1 on the hit parade. #2 is "Shot while trying to escape"

[Lucas]

I just scanned the CNN site and I didn't see anything. When and where did it happen and what crimes were they accused of?

dude i dont know i was watching the news on my phone this morning while i was taking a crap....

maybe it was newsweek or some crap idk, i flip through about 8 news broadcasts in the morning while im 'meditating'

:D

ill try and find out.

[BoulderDawg]

Also speaking of terrorists:

I watch some of the World Series last night. Now, I haven't watched a lot of baseball in years but I remember when I use to watch it they would have the 7th inning stretch and sing "Take me out to the ballgame".

Last night the 7th inning stretch came up. The guy on the PA said "Ladies and Gentleman get up and remove your hats and bow down to the US military" then they showed some lady up there singing "God Bless America"..

I could not believe it. To start with I'll be dam before I'll stand up and remove my hat for any terrorist organization. Then paying hundred of dollars for a ticket I would then be forced to listen to religious propaganga.

Whatever happened to "Take me out to the ballgame"? Now we are forced to listen to a much of neo crap in the middle of a baseball game.

[Lucas]

lol try google next time i just googled extreme islam shoot out and got like a gaggillion hits on all the news sites

here is a random one..


http://abclocal.go.com/wjrt/story?section=news/national_world&id=7088684

[Lucas]

one scary thing though was that the news broadcast i saw they were interviewing an agent about these types of groups setting up here in the states and he basically said that when they find these guys they let them do their thing until they absolutely have to make a move. of course for the purpose of finding more connections and developing a further picture of whats going on in their organizations.

similar to drug stings.

the only thing that gets me about that is what if you are late on making your move. when is it 'too late'?

[Drake]

There's a good number of attacks that have been thwarted recently. I can think of three in the last month alone that made it to open source media. Your "brother" who was shot had planned to be a suicide bomber and I doubt he'd care if you were one of the casualties. But yeah, go ahead and support him. I do wish, however, you were at that ballgame, so I could giggle as you were tazed, hopefully maced, and then drug out as the fans all cheered your departure. You do not have much company when it comes to you supporting terrorists and calling them your "brothers". It's borderline sedition/subversion, so you may want to be a bit more careful about what you publish on an open source forum. I'd be more than happy to take this to my "brothers" handling the domestic security piece. Maybe you can scream at the injustice of being arrested for supporting a terrorist organization? I'd suggest simply leaving the country, since it's just so **** awful here. I'm sure the taliban would welcome you with open arms. You'd make an excellent propaganda video when they show everyone how they feel about americans.

[BoulderDawg]

Yep I can tell you really know what you are talking about!:D


In July, a federal judge in New York signed a settlement between the Yankees and a fan who’d been ejected from the old Yankee Stadium by security — a pair of off-duty police officers — because he insisted on walking to the bathroom during the famed Kate Smith rendition of the song.

Under the settlement, the Yankees agreed to scrap a policy that prohibited movement while the song played. It was in the weeks after 9/11 that the Yankees began playing “God Bless America” during the seventh-inning stretch.


So I can do whatever I want to during the singing of that crap.

As far as your report to homeland security...go for it Eugene!:p I would love to be a fly on the wall for that meeting!

[1bad65]

Last night the 7th inning stretch came up. The guy on the PA said "Ladies and Gentleman get up and remove your hats and bow down to the US military" then they showed some lady up there singing "God Bless America"..

They really said that? Those exact words?

You're full of **** and you know it. Tell you what, you show that they said those exact words, and I'll send your pal Ward Churchill a $500 check today to help pay his legal fees.

[Drake]

They really said that? Those exact words?

You're full of **** and you know it. Tell you what, you show that they said those exact words, and I'll send your pal Ward Churchill a $500 check today to help pay his legal fees.

He is, and that's why I didn't even respond to him. Honestly, what else do you expect from someone who'd support a wife-beating, plagiarizing, exploiter of Native Americans before he'd bother supporting all of those who go without sleep and comfort to ensure his right to mouth off about something he doesn't even understand?

Of course, I'm anti-semantic, so what do I know?

[1bad65]

I have no idea why he bashes the military so much. If it wasn't for them, his sorry ass wouldn't have the right to freely speak his gibberish.

And if your anti-semantic, I must be too, right?

[BoulderDawg]

I'm going to a Halloween party tomorrow night. I'm thinking there will be a few people there dressed up as US soldiers stationed in Iraq.

They would have to do that right. To make it realistic they would need plenty of alcohol and cigarettes. Of course They would have to act all smug and superior like and hit on every girl there especially if there were any teenagers attending. Then at the end there would be a big fight with several girls getting beat up.....

Naw! Not a good idea. Thank god none of my friends are in the military!:D

[BoulderDawg]

Maybe someone will dress up like Rush Limbaugh! At least none of the girls there will have to worry about any sort of sexual attack!:D

Also, whoever does that will have to decide which Rush they will have to go as:

The fat Rush - Need plenty of food at the party

or

The Rush who is losing weight - In that case there had better be a lot of diet drugs there!

Wouldn't work! Most people at this part are college educated. Rush would be lost!:eek:

[BoulderDawg]

I have no idea why he bashes the military so much. If it wasn't for them, his sorry ass wouldn't have the right to freely speak his gibberish.

And if your anti-semantic, I must be too, right?

If you love them so much then drag yo ass down to the recuiting office and sign up! Then you can personally efend America and make it possible for me to speak!

[1bad65]

Then at the end there would be a big fight with several girls getting beat up.....

Is Ward Churchill attending this party?

[Drake]

I'm going to a Halloween party tomorrow night. I'm thinking there will be a few people there dressed up as US soldiers stationed in Iraq.

They would have to do that right. To make it realistic they would need plenty of alcohol and cigarettes. Of course They would have to act all smug and superior like and hit on every girl there especially if there were any teenagers attending. Then at the end there would be a big fight with several girls getting beat up.....

Naw! Not a good idea. Thank god none of my friends are in the military!:D

Odd. I don't drink or smoke, nor do I beat up women. One of my soldiers is going back home this weekend to see his ill mother, and a couple of others are going to be with their families. I stopped by the grocery store to get candy for any trick or treaters in my neighborhood. There's a lot of events going on on post as well for families and single soldiers.

1Bad is right.. you are clearly confusing us with Ward Churchill. Besides, you don't really know anything about the armed forces to make such a statement, so you must be referring to the plagiarist, which you know more about. So... is Ward Churchill anti-semantic too?

[Lucas]

Most people at this part are college educated. Rush would be lost!:eek:

oh, because people who dont have a college education are idiots?

wow....just wow.

[Drake]

oh, because people who dont have a college education are idiots?

wow....just wow.

People without college educations are anti-semantic.

[Lucas]

People without college educations are anti-semantic.

You're joking.....right?

[Drake]

You're joking.....right?

Nope... everyone without a college education is completely, utterly, and unfailingly anti-semantic. I doubt you could measure their anti-semanticness without breaking your anti-semantic testing equipment.

My question for you is... are YOU joking?

[sanjuro_ronin]

Semantics and anti-semantic aside,
islam does have some things to offer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuPX8vb95hQ&

[BoulderDawg]

You're joking.....right?


This guy doesn't joke. I misspelled a word and he has latched on to it and is going to use it in every post he makes.

I think he should just put it in his signature and be done with it. It's funny though because I usually make these posts extremely fast and could care less about spelling. Fine by me if this guy wants to include that in all of his posts. Who does that reflect on?

I've suggested to both him and bad that they make their own thread about it. :D

[Drake]

This guy doesn't joke. I misspelled a word and he has latched on to it and is going to use it in every post he makes.

I think he should just put it in his signature and be done with it. It's funny though because I usually make these posts extremely fast and could care less about spelling. Fine by me if this guy wants to include that in all of his posts. Who does that reflect on?

I've suggested to both him and bad that they make their own thread about it. :D

Mispelling? No. Misplleing is an error. Anti-simatic is a mispelling. You showed complete inability to comprehend the meaning of the words you type. Anyone with even a 7th grade reading comprehension knows that semantic and semetic have completely different meanings. So yes, I will latch on to that because it completely and utterly destroyed your credibility. AGAIN.

[Lucas]

Nope... everyone without a college education is completely, utterly, and unfailingly anti-semantic. I doubt you could measure their anti-semanticness without breaking your anti-semantic testing equipment.

My question for you is... are YOU joking?

okay well i dont know you enough to tell if you are joking around or not. you say you arent....if thats truly the case i have proof you are wrong.

:p

[Drake]

okay well i dont know you enough to tell if you are joking around or not. you say you arent....if thats truly the case i have proof you are wrong.

:p

What's the proof? :cool:

[1bad65]

BD still hasn't answered the question of where he graduated college.....

[BoulderDawg]

Mispelling? No. Misplleing is an error. Anti-simatic is a mispelling. You showed complete inability to comprehend the meaning of the words you type. Anyone with even a 7th grade reading comprehension knows that semantic and semetic have completely different meanings. So yes, I will latch on to that because it completely and utterly destroyed your credibility. AGAIN.

Yes guilty as charged to whatever you claim!:D

Take this and run with it man.

[BoulderDawg]

BD still hasn't answered the question of where he graduated college.....

Never graduated grade school!

[Drake]

Never graduated grade school!

If you weren't such an adamant supporter of a plagiarist, I'd easily believe that.

[Lucas]

What's the proof? :cool:

im right here ;)

[BoulderDawg]

okay well i dont know you enough to tell if you are joking around or not. you say you arent....if thats truly the case i have proof you are wrong.

:p


Love it! He's starting to freak out the neos on the board!:D

[Drake]

im right here ;)

And very much anti-semantic. :D

[Lucas]

wtf are you talking about? am i a neo?

[Lucas]

And very much anti-semantic. :D

hmmmmm...one of my best friends is jewish....maybe im just keeping my enemies closer? :confused:

[BoulderDawg]

wtf are you talking about? am i a neo?

You sure aren't liberal!:eek:

[Drake]

hmmmmm...one of my best friends is jewish....maybe im just keeping my enemies closer? :confused:

Since when did Jewish people care about semantics? :D

[Lucas]

heheh

its all highly subjective :D :eek:

[Drake]

wtf are you talking about? am i a neo?

Anyone who does not follow plagiarizing, wife beating racists, accodring to BD, must be a neo. However, based off BD's postings, I don't think he even knows what neo means. Technically, he's just saying you are post-something, which makes no sense. Typical, coming from an anti-semantic.

[Lucas]

its good you guys are having fun now instead of at each others throats.

or wait, am i wrong? :p :mad: :)

[Lucas]

Anyone who does not follow plagiarizing, wife beating racists, accodring to BD, must be a neo. However, based off BD's postings, I don't think he even knows what neo means. Technically, he's just saying you are post-something, which makes no sense. Typical, coming from an anti-semantic.

rofl!!

well....i did take the red pill. MAYBE I AM NEO!!?!?! :eek:

[BoulderDawg]

rofl!!

well....i did take the red pill. MAYBE I AM NEO!!?!?! :eek:

Did you take any blue pills? I've noticed that Neos love blue pills above all others.

[Drake]

its good you guys are having fun now instead of at each others throats.

or wait, am i wrong? :p :mad: :)

I'm not at BD's throat. I just call BS when I see it. Every stupid comment he makes is proof positive that our men and women in uniform are successful at defending our freedoms.

[BoulderDawg]

I'm not at BD's throat. I just call BS when I see it. Every stupid comment he makes is proof positive that our men and women in uniform are successful at defending our freedoms.

In Iraq they are successful at drinking, killing and raping 14 year old girls.

In any case, Please, Please go off and defend someone else's freedom. I simply can do without it.

[Lucas]

awww i thought you guys were playing nice ;):p

[Drake]

Awesome, BD... great logical connection. 4 or 5 junior enlisted with less than a year in the Army do something stupid, and you instantly apply it to over a million people who have served there, such as doctors, lawyers, and civil engineers. Brilliant logic there, genius. No wonder your credibility is shot.

Hey, I read that a civilian mother cut her childrens' throats. I guess now all civilian mothers are brutal child killers. BD logic for you!

[1bad65]

Awesome, BD... great logical connection.

Well, since you are anti-semantic that means all military personnel are anti-semantic too.

[1bad65]

Since Ward Churchill is a wife beating plagiarist, I guess that means all professors are wife beating plagiarists as well.

[Lucas]

okay, so for the record on this one. you guys are purposfully anti-semantic, right? as in opposed to the study of the meaning of words or something?

like that isnt a typo right?

this thread is kind of fun.

[Lucas]

since ward churchill is a wife beating plagiarist, i guess that means all professors are wife beating plagiarists as well.

rofl!!!!!!!!

[BoulderDawg]

Awesome, BD... great logical connection. 4 or 5 junior enlisted with less than a year in the Army do something stupid, and you instantly apply it to over a million people who have served there, such as doctors, lawyers, and civil engineers. Brilliant logic there, genius. No wonder your credibility is shot.


The truth is for months this young girl had to run and hide when she saw any American soldier. The taunts and advances got so bad her family actually complained......you can imagine how much good that actually did!:rolleyes:
Nothing was done and finally they were bold enough to simply come into her house and take what they wanted. No one tried to stop them and no one ratted them out.

By the way I don't know you were raised but I was raised to believe that rape and murder is a little more than doing something stupid.

[Drake]

Uh huh... keep talking, BD, and keep diggin'... :D

[1bad65]

Gotta love a self-described liberal stereotyping entire groups of people based on the actions of a few. I thought they were always saying how they were so enlightened they were above that.

Saying all American soldiers are rapists and murderers based on the actions of a few is no different than a Klansman showing people video of the LA riots and saying 'See, all them people are rioters, murderers, and looters'.