Anybody ever hear of South Group Mantis Fist?

[rogue]

Trying to track down this style to see if there are any branches left.
It could also be known as Nan Pa Toro Ken which could be Japanese.

Hopefully Gene or David Ross or someone would know.

[Boston Bagua]

You are not talking about South Mantis are you?

Nam Tong Long Kuen?

Jook Lum Tong Long Pai?

[rogue]

Can't be sure. South Group Mantis Fist is supposedly the name and it would have been somewhere in Fukien. It could be an extinct style or just a karate myth.

[Pork Chop]

"nan pa toro ken" is really probably 南派蟷螂拳

[Hardwork108]

Trying to track down this style to see if there are any branches left.
It could also be known as Nan Pa Toro Ken which could be Japanese.

Hopefully Gene or David Ross or someone would know.

I am just guessing that "Southern Group Mantis Fist" is just a reference to Southern Mantis styles such as Chow Gar, Chu Gar and Iron Ox, etc.

You might want to use those individual style names to enhance your search. Be vary that it will be very difficult to find an authentic school that will teach you any of these styles properly.

Good luck with your search.

HW8

[jdhowland]

As Pork Chop related in his succinct manner, the Japanese term probably means that it is a "tiger" style of "nan quan" or "southern boxing" ("nam kyuhn" in Cantonese. To call it "nan pa" or southern branch suggests that it is a generic term and not generally recognized as a distinct pai.

For what it's worth.

jd

[Boston Bagua]

Nan Po Ha Toro Ken would be South Group Style Praying Mantis. Ha is the Japanese pronunciation of pai in Chinese.

I have never heard of Southern Tiger, and it would be pronounced as Nan Ko and not Nan Po

[jdhowland]

Nan Po Ha Toro Ken would be South Group Style Praying Mantis. Ha is the Japanese pronunciation of pai in Chinese.

I have never heard of Southern Tiger, and it would be pronounced as Nan Ko and not Nan Po

Not Southern Tiger Style, but a tiger style found within generic southern kung fu.

Without the kanji we can't be sure, but I would interpret the phrase as either:

nanpou=south + toro = tiger + ken = fist/ boxing

or as: nan = south + po = pa/ ha/paai (branch, sect) tiger boxing

jd

[Boston Bagua]

Toro is not Tora

To Ro is the Japanese pronunciation of Tang Lang.

[Pork Chop]

The kanji i wrote was for mantis, which is pronounced "tourou" (extended "o" sounds), not the same as "tora" (which is a quicker "o").

[jdhowland]

Ah, got it. Sorry, I made an assumption based on a quick glance.

Toro, huh? I misread it as tora.

Maybe the question should be rerouted to the mantis or the southern arts forum.

jd

[rogue]

Thanks guys, the information is much appreciated!