Global Warming-Do you believe it is real?

[mawali]

I believe global warming is real and that means we plan as part of any disaster management scenario. Let us forget about what scientists tell us but keep in mind what survival is about. Here's my view:
1. Global warming does not mean all parts of the world is getting warmer. That is an impossibility!
2. The Andes and certain area of Africa (e.g. Kilimanjaro) have seen their snow cover melt along with Polar areas melting. If that does not indicate something is happening, then so be it.

I will give others a go at their thoughts on the matter!

[Drake]

You can't dump that much crap into the atmosphere and not expect anything to happen...

[Fa Xing]

I believe global warming is real and that means we plan as part of any disaster management scenario. Let us forget about what scientists tell us but keep in mind what survival is about. Here's my view:
1. Global warming does not mean all parts of the world is getting warmer. That is an impossibility!
2. The Andes and certain area of Africa (e.g. Kilimanjaro) have seen their snow cover melt along with Polar areas melting. If that does not indicate something is happening, then so be it.

I will give others a go at their thoughts on the matter!

Ever hear of the Little Ice Age (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age)?

It was apparently quite disastrous to European inhabitants.

Also, did you ever hear about Quaternary glaciation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternary_glaciation)?

Seems like we've been in and out of an Ice Age for the last 2 million years.

[Hebrew Hammer]

You can't dump that much crap into the atmosphere and not expect anything to happen...

Well said! You have to be a fool not to believe it...but then again...we have a country full of fools...

[uki]

it's all part of the celestial cycles... every planet is experiencing climatic shifts in their weather patterns. a few quick jumps around astronomy sites will verify this. global warming is nothing more than the elites playing on mankinds ignorance... the solar system goes thru seasons too... we are currently entering galactic spring, which would be aquarius. the fire rains will be coming soon... spring time brings the rain to nourish the lands. :)

[Drake]

it's all part of the celestial cycles... every planet is experiencing climatic shifts in their weather patterns. a few quick jumps around astronomy sites will verify this. global warming is nothing more than the elites playing on mankinds ignorance... the solar system goes thru seasons too... we are currently entering galactic spring, which would be aquarius. the fire rains will be coming soon... spring time brings the rain to nourish the lands. :)

I'm sure the billions of tons of hydrocarbons dumped into the air every year have absolutely no effect.

[1bad65]

I'm sure the billions of tons of hydrocarbons dumped into the air every year have absolutely no effect.

If it has an effect, why are the scientists who say it's happening changing and throwing out data?

[BoulderDawg]

If it has an effect, why are the scientists who say it's happening changing and throwing out data?

Who? And what parts of their methodology is flawed?

As with all research you are going to researchers who are extremely professional and follow procedure to the letter then you're going to have sloppy researchers. This happens in all disciplines.

I'm sure there are neo blogs out there who have latched onto something or someone and will point to that. However the truth is the vast majority of research being done today is done following exact procedure.

[solo1]

No global warming has been a lie for years and the exposure of the e mails clearly affirms that it has been an orchestrated lie. The left will now go on to attack the hackers and discredit the e mails as the lie has made them very wealthy. 2 of the board members of the Academy Awards have demanded that Supreme blowhard Al Gore return his award.
Global warming is a lie and is going to be exposed as the greatest most elaborate scientific hoax of the century.

Whats the lesson here? governments lie and scientists lie.

[1bad65]

I'm sure there are neo blogs out there who have latched onto something or someone and will point to that. However the truth is the vast majority of research being done today is done following exact procedure.

Actually the ones who got caught changing data admitted it. And then they themselves admitted they threw out decades of data. Professor Phil Jones admitted the e-mails were genuine.

If you are denying this is genuine, you must have buried your head in the sand (or somewhere else).

Can you show me ANY type of research where you intentionally throw out decades of data as well as change data to fit your conclusions? I'm betting you can't.

[BoulderDawg]

Actually the ones who got caught changing data admitted it. And then they themselves admitted they threw out decades of data. Professor Phil Jones admitted the e-mails were genuine.

If you are denying this is genuine, you must have buried your head in the sand (or somewhere else).

Can you show me ANY type of research where you intentionally throw out decades of data as well as change data to fit your conclusions? I'm betting you can't.

What does that have to do with anything? So what?

I don't know this researcher(or his work) that you mentioned. He's just one of thousands working on this world wide.

Each researcher is judged on his/her own merits. There is good research and bad research. The majority of studies will simply not mentioned by you teabaggers because you can't refute them.

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Changing data to fit your conclusions? :D Ask the Neo teabaggers about the various drug studies they quote. Politicians don't really care about methodology.

[Drake]

Actually the ones who got caught changing data admitted it. And then they themselves admitted they threw out decades of data. Professor Phil Jones admitted the e-mails were genuine.

If you are denying this is genuine, you must have buried your head in the sand (or somewhere else).

Can you show me ANY type of research where you intentionally throw out decades of data as well as change data to fit your conclusions? I'm betting you can't.

The fatal flaw in this argument is that the e-mails don't debunk anything. Global warming IS occuring, and now the hole in the ozone is affecting South America, seeing as the hole has now taken an elongated shape, endangeing people there. You can bring up e-mails all you like, but you absolutely cannot deny that global warming is happening, because it is. Thousands of mile of ice shelves ARE collapsing into the ocean, sea levels ARE rising, and global temperatures ARE increasing.

Second fatal flaw is that we ARE dumping ridiculous amounts of hydrocarbons into the atmosphere. BASIC scientific understanding would indicate that this would have a derogatory effect.

This isn't a conspiracy theory.

[1bad65]

What does that have to do with anything? So what?

So, you admit you cannot grasp what I'm saying?


I don't know this researcher(or his work) that you mentioned. He's just one of thousands working on this world wide.

Phil Jones is actually the director of the Climactic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia.

If you are ignorant of who someone is, it's best to be quiet and not comment and thus prove your ignorance.


Each researcher is judged on his/her own merits. There is good research and bad research. The majority of studies will simply not mentioned by you teabaggers because you can't refute them.

We did refute these guys. We have been saying for decades global warming is a hoax. And now they themselves admit to changing the data! They were refuted. You can either accept the truth, or continue to defend liars. Of course we all know your track record when it comes to defending lying con men....


Changing data to fit your conclusions? :D Ask the Neo teabaggers about the various drug studies they quote. Politicians don't really care about methodology.

While me and you likely agree on the drug issue, I would like you to provide proof that "teabaggers" are changing data. I'm guessing I'll hear crickets again. That ALWAYS happens when you are asked to provide proof in relation to your assertions. Always.

[1bad65]

You can bring up e-mails all you like, but you absolutely cannot deny that global warming is happening, because it is. Thousands of mile of ice shelves ARE collapsing into the ocean, sea levels ARE rising, and global temperatures ARE increasing.

Second fatal flaw is that we ARE dumping ridiculous amounts of hydrocarbons into the atmosphere. BASIC scientific understanding would indicate that this would have a derogatory effect.

I can deny it, because the data is on my side. That's why these con men had to change the data and throw out the true data! Drake, you're a sharp guy. If it truly is happening, why are the very ones pointing out having to lie? It's a simple question.

And Drake, temperatures are not increasing. 2005 was a record breaking COLD winter around the world.


This isn't a conspiracy theory.

What's scary is that it sure is looking like one.

[MasterKiller]

I just find it extremely distrubing that the most vocal opponents of climate change also tend to believe the planet is 5,000 years old and supervised by a space ghost.

[BoulderDawg]

Phil Jones is actually the director of the Climactic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia.

Well there ya go. How can anyone dispute that!:D This guy and his research represents the entire world!!!!!!!!!!!


If you are ignorant of who someone is, it's best to be quiet and not comment and thus prove your ignorance.

Where did I comment on this guy's body of work? The statement I made speaks for itself. I don't know him and he's only one of thousands working on this. How you came up with I made a comment about this guy I will never know!:eek:

[BoulderDawg]

What's scary is that it sure is looking like one.(speaking on conspiracy theory)

Yeppers! Sure as hell is. Scientists around the world are conspiring to learn more about our planet and the world we live in!:cool:

[1bad65]

Well there ya go. How can anyone dispute that!:D This guy and his research represents the entire world!!!!!!!!!!!

It's actually considered the premier research facility on 'global warming'.

See, when you talk to 1bad65, you get a free education. ;)

[1bad65]

Yeppers! Sure as hell is. Scientists around the world and a lying ex-Vice President are lying about our planet and the world we live in!:cool:

Fixed that for ya.

[1bad65]

I just find it extremely distrubing that the most vocal opponents of climate change also tend to believe the planet is 5,000 years old and supervised by a space ghost.

First off, Christians don't say the world is only 5,000 years old.

Second, we aren't the ones who ADMITTED to fudging data.

[uki]

I'm sure the billions of tons of hydrocarbons dumped into the air every year have absolutely no effect.meh, the earth has survived alot worse than us...

it's nothing more than a naturally occurring phenomenom that operates on a timescale much larger than our human lives can grasp, yet because of mankinds ignorance to these celestial cycles, the masses have been duped into giving up more and more of their rights. the planet is changing, that much is for sure, but it's not because of us... mankind is in for a very rude awakening. :)

[Xiao3 Meng4]

Whether Man-Made Climate change is real or not is irrelevant to me. I think there's merit in shifting to a greener economy.

Also, pollution-wise, our water is quickly becoming toxic. Regardless of global warming, I don't think it's inappropriate to work on cleaning up our environment.

[BoulderDawg]

Whether Man-Made Climate change is real or not is irrelevant to me. I think there's merit in shifting to a greener economy.

Also, pollution-wise, our water is quickly becoming toxic. Regardless of global warming, I don't think it's inappropriate to work on cleaning up our environment.


Makes sense doesn't it?

No matter what your opinion is on Global Warming it would seem to follow that you would want a clean world to live in.

For whatever reason (Money of course) the teabaggers could care less if the air and water is polluted. The govt should have no control in telling people not to pollute!

[uki]

nature will repair the enviroment - there is no need for mankind to worry about nature... mankind should be more concerned with taking care of itself now. :p

[Xiao3 Meng4]

nature will repair the enviroment - there is no need for mankind to worry about nature... mankind should be more concerned with taking care of itself now. :p

...ie mankind should be taking care of its environment. ;)

[uki]

...ie mankind should be taking care of its environment.aye... but nature has to get rid of those who are not conscious, first. :)

[BoulderDawg]

What I find amazing is that Neo Teabaggers want absolutely no govt regulation when it comes to pollution......that is unless someone is polluting a quarter mile from their house!

These people should visit other parts of the world where no pollution control exist.....they should drink from the local rivers and lakes there.:D

[uki]

What I find amazing is that Neo Teabaggers want absolutely no govt regulation when it comes to pollution......that is unless someone is polluting a quarter mile from their house!

These people should visit other parts of the world where no pollution control exist.....they should drink from the local rivers and lakes there.i am really not concerned with this issue at all... nature has plenty of ways to rid itself of contaminating diseases and infections such as modern man.

[Xiao3 Meng4]

aye... but nature has to get rid of those who are not conscious, first. :)

If a person seems wicked
do not cast him away -
Awaken him with your words
Elevate him with your deeds
Requite his injury with your kindness
Do not cast him away
cast away his wickedness.
-Dao De Jing chapter 62 (Jonathan Starr)

In other words, "Be the change you want to see in the world." - Krishnamurti

[Xiao3 Meng4]

What I find amazing is that Neo Teabaggers want absolutely no govt regulation when it comes to pollution......that is unless someone is polluting a quarter mile from their house!

These people should visit other parts of the world where no pollution control exist.....they should drink from the local rivers and lakes there.:D

heh, even in areas where pollution control exists, I wouldn't necessarily drink from unfiltered/unboiled sources at this point. Would you drink from the Thames? The Rhein? The St. Lawrence River? The Mississippi? Lakes Eerie or Ontario?

[1bad65]

What I find amazing is that Neo Teabaggers want absolutely no govt regulation when it comes to pollution......that is unless someone is polluting a quarter mile from their house!

These people should visit other parts of the world where no pollution control exist.....they should drink from the local rivers and lakes there.:D

Actually areas ran by Socialists/Communists are the worst, yet the US is always the targets of environmentalists who are often socialists themselves.

Look at the 'Black Forests' of the USSR. Remember how nasty the air was in Beijing when the Olympics were on. When we had nuclear issues, we were open about them. Gorbachev hid the Chernobyl meltdown until he needed help. Of course he got a Nobel Prize though. :rolleyes:

[Xiao3 Meng4]

Actually areas ran by Socialists/Communists are the worst, yet the US is always the targets of environmentalists who are often socialists themselves.

Greenpeace protests all environmental destruction, no matter what country. Generally, they'll be louder regarding developed countries, because developed countries have the resources available to initiate change. If Greenpeace were to, say, protest "flying port-a-potties" (going to the bathroom in a plastic bag and then throwing it into the street) in war-torn, rural Africa, it would be a fruitless endeavour since there are no resources available to curb the practice.



Look at the 'Black Forests' of the USSR. Remember how nasty the air was in Beijing when the Olympics were on. When we had nuclear issues, we were open about them. Gorbachev hid the Chernobyl meltdown until he needed help. Of course he got a Nobel Prize though. :rolleyes:

Politics trumped environmentalism during the Cold War. In the race for ideological supremacy, pollution wasn't seen as an arena of significance. In fact, caring about pollution ran the risk of lagging behind in economic and industrial development, and the fragile Soviet Union couldn't afford a political environmental crisis, especially a Nuclear one such as Chernobyl.

Today, the cold war is over. There isn't much reason (besides personal comfort) to avoid environmental stewardship or assisting developing nations to grow through green economies. Even China, whose economic and industrial development is raging, and whose pollution I have seen firsthand, is not blind to environmental issues. Yes, they have serious issues. Yes, they have few standards. But they're aware, and they're progressing. So is India.

The Green economy is the new economy. Those who join it will prosper; those who fight it will not.

[1bad65]

The Green economy is the new economy. Those who join it will prosper; those who fight it will not.

You may be right. But if you are, it will not be because of science, it will be because of politics.

[Lee Chiang Po]

Global warming in this instance is not really a cycle. Cycles take forever, not just a man's lifetime. This research is new. Never before in our worlds history has it been done, so there will be holes in the research that get filled in, then it is learned it is not accurate so gets tossed out. Sometimes a theory gets off on the wrong track, and then you have to stop and start again, tossing that out too. No one knows exactly why and how, but it is seeming to happen. People in Alaska know it is for real. One look at antarctica says it is real. Glaciers are disappearing too. This can be triggered by fallout of filth in the air that eventually comes down. A thin layer over ice will make it melt quickly. The cold fresh water entering the seas will not mix with the warmer salt waters very easily, and the warm is pushed down to the equater. El Nino effect all the time. Then of course the seas in the north and south become colder, and look what that did to the UK last winter. Flash froze them. I live in Texas. It is nothing to see 110 degrees here where I live. I have seen 119 degrees. In the past several years it seldom hit 100. And we have had more cold, freezing weather than we have had in years. It used to freeze and have snow or ice storms every year. Not any more. But last year and this year it has gotten cold. However, if you were to take the highs and lows of each and every day and add them together, then divid them again by 365 days, I think you would see a higher average temp. Just a few degrees really. In Alaska the permafrost is melting deeper, and it is not freezing back as deep. This has caused miles and miles of utility poles to fall over. Houses and building are sort of sinking is some places. It still hits 40 and 60 below, but it has been not much colder there than here in the past few weeks.
You can sit on the side of a freeway in any major city and watch an endless line of cars come by, 4 and 5 abreast, almost 24 hours a day. All burning carbon based fuels. This is just one tiny location. Multiply that by hundreds or even thousands of time in a major city. Then look at the number of major cities in this country alone. Then the entire world. Over Dallas, Texas there is a big black mushroom cloud over it every morning and every evening at rush hours. This stuff is lifting upward toward the sky. All the other mini ice ages we have knowledge of were caused by volcano activity mostly, and we can see the effect of it. Today we have a volcano erupting very subtly all over the world, so we are not seeing a dramatic effect of it, but it will eventually cause catastrophic results. This includes not only automobile exhaust, but trains, thousands of airliners, factories everywhere in huge numbers, forest fires, oil fires, and it goes on and on. I think it is time that someone take this serious rather than just stand and yell conspiracy. You have to ask yourself. What in the world is expected to be gained by yelling global warming if it was not really happening?

[sanjuro_ronin]

Bunch of tree hugging hippes.

[Xiao3 Meng4]

You may be right. But if you are, it will not be because of science, it will be because of politics.

Without question. With luck, the politics will be advised by Science.

[1bad65]

Never before in our worlds history has it been done, so there will be holes in the research that get filled in, then it is learned it is not accurate so gets tossed out. Sometimes a theory gets off on the wrong track, and then you have to stop and start again, tossing that out too.

You need to research the topic.

The scientists threw out the REAL TEMP data for decades. They kept the temp data they manipulated. Let's be honest here, you can't see this and say something is not amiss.

And fyi, the scientists admitted this.

[1bad65]

Again, I'm still waiting for anyone to show me where simply tossing out decades of germane data is an accepted scientific practice.....

[Xiao3 Meng4]

Science has an illustrious history of discarding data that it thinks is poorly collected (it also has a history of keeping it, so... :p ). Ever since the Scientific Revolution started, it's just been one long string of discovery x making the methods used in discipline w unacceptable, then redoing all the research with discovery x in mind... until discovery y comes along, that is. And then the whole thing happens again. And again. And again. It's a wonder we've progressed at all, really... thank goodness for inventors and necessity.

[Drake]

You need to research the topic.

The scientists threw out the REAL TEMP data for decades. They kept the temp data they manipulated. Let's be honest here, you can't see this and say something is not amiss.

And fyi, the scientists admitted this.

Did you actually read the story, or only what the news is telling you? Because if you did, I doubt you'd be so hardheaded about this.

It blows my mind that you think we are not affecting our environment.

[uki]

go start pooping in the woods drake... that's better for the enviroment than using a toilet... :p

global warming is a man-made scam folks. A MAN-MADE SCAM!!!

*end transmission*

[uki]

actions speak louder than words...


On a normal day, Majken Friss Jorgensen, managing director of Copenhagen's biggest limousine company, says her firm has twelve vehicles on the road. During the "summit to save the world", which opens here tomorrow, she will have 200.

"We thought they were not going to have many cars, due to it being a climate convention," she says. "But it seems that somebody last week looked at the weather report."

Ms Jorgensen reckons that between her and her rivals the total number of limos in Copenhagen next week has already broken the 1,200 barrier. The French alone rang up on Thursday and ordered another 42. "We haven't got enough limos in the country to fulfil the demand," she says. "We're having to drive them in hundreds of miles from Germany and Sweden."

And the total number of electric cars or hybrids among that number? "Five," says Ms Jorgensen. "The government has some alternative fuel cars but the rest will be petrol or diesel. We don't have any hybrids in Denmark, unfortunately, due to the extreme taxes on those cars. It makes no sense at all, but it's very Danish."

The airport says it is expecting up to 140 extra private jets during the peak period alone, so far over its capacity that the planes will have to fly off to regional airports – or to Sweden – to park, returning to Copenhagen to pick up their VIP passengers.

As well 15,000 delegates and officials, 5,000 journalists and 98 world leaders, the Danish capital will be blessed by the presence of Leonardo DiCaprio, Daryl Hannah, Helena Christensen, Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Prince Charles. A Republican US senator, Jim Inhofe, is jetting in at the head of an anti-climate-change "Truth Squad." The top hotels – all fully booked at £650 a night – are readying their Climate Convention menus of (no doubt sustainable) scallops, foie gras and sculpted caviar wedges.
surely these so called global warming delegates have got to set a better example for the common folks to follow, eh?? hahahahahahaha!!!!!

it's a scam folks. :D

source (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenhagen-climate-change-confe/6736517/Copenhagen-climate-summit-1200-limos-140-private-planes-and-caviar-wedges.html)

[Drake]

Just because we have people behaving as morons doesn't make global warming any less real. Again, can anyone scientifically refute that dumping tons of hydrocarbons into the atmosphere has absolutely no effect?

And just an FYI, dignitiaries, politicians, and celebrities are notorious for being utterly disconnected with reality.

[uki]

Again, can anyone scientifically refute that dumping tons of hydrocarbons into the atmosphere has absolutely no effect?nothing worse than a small volcanic burp... LOL... people have really lost sight of reality.


And just an FYI, dignitiaries, politicians, and celebrities are notorious for being utterly disconnected with reality.aye mate... the point i was attempting to make here... they are disconnected from reality with their global warming hoax. :rolleyes:

[Drake]

nothing worse than a small volcanic burp... LOL... people have really lost sight of reality.
aye mate... the point i was attempting to make here... they are disconnected from reality with their global warming hoax. :rolleyes:

So then it's ok, since multiple volcanic eruptions, giant meteor strikes, and the Moon crashing into the Earth are worse?

[1bad65]

And just an FYI, dignitiaries, politicians, a pathological lying ex-Vice President, and celebrities are notorious for being utterly disconnected with reality.

Fixed that for ya.

[1bad65]

Just because we have people behaving as morons doesn't make global warming any less real.

Behaving like morons and scientists changing data to suit their needs are two different things entirely.

I truly do not believe global warming is happening. If it is, why the need to alter the temperature data? It's a simple question.

[sanjuro_ronin]

If global warming means more fishing, I am ok with that !
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb287/rog17frey/sexy_fishing_girl.jpg

[BoulderDawg]

Behaving like morons and scientists changing data to suit their needs are two different things entirely.

Who is "their". You only named one person.......Now we have some sort of whole wide plot by reputable sceintists!:D

I think I'm going to come down to Texas, find the river/lake that you people get your water supply from, then take a big dump in it!:eek:

[1bad65]

Who is "their". You only named one person.......Now we have some sort of whole wide plot by reputable sceintists!:D

There was more than one guy doing it.

Educate yourself and read up on the issue before commenting on it. Or is that too much to ask?

[Drake]

It's a sad state of affairs when we put politics before a real problem.

[Drake]

From NASA. I won't do the very brief research necessary from this point.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/

[Scott R. Brown]

Global Warming is a Hoax: You are being manipulated!! (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6738111/Climategate-reveals-the-most-influential-tree-in-the-world.html)

Coming to light in recent days has been one of the most extraordinary scientific detective stories of our time, bizarrely centred on a single tree in Siberia dubbed "the most influential tree in the world". On this astonishing tale, it is no exaggeration to say, could hang in considerable part the future shape of our civilisation. Right at the heart of the sound and fury of "Climategate" – the emails leaked from the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) in East Anglia – is one story of scientific chicanery, overlooked by the media, whose implications dwarf all the rest. If all those thousands of emails and other documents were leaked by an angry whistle-blower, as now seems likely, it was this story more than any other that he or she wanted the world to see.

To appreciate its significance, as I observed last week, it is first necessary to understand that the people these incriminating documents relate to are not just any group of scientists. Professor Philip Jones of the CRU, his colleague Dr Keith Briffa, the US computer modeller Dr Michael Mann, of "hockey stick" fame, and several more make up a tightly-knit group who have been right at the centre of the last two reports of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). On their account, as we shall see at this week's Copenhagen conference, the world faces by far the largest bill proposed by any group of politicians in history, amounting to many trillions of dollars.

It is therefore vitally important that we should trust the methods by which these men have made their case. The supreme prize that they have been working for so long has been to establish that the world is warmer today than ever before in recorded history. To do this it has been necessary to eliminate a wealth of evidence that the world 1,000 years ago was, for entirely natural reasons, warmer than today (the so-called Medieval Warm Period)

The most celebrated attempt to demonstrate this was the "hockey stick" graph produced by Dr Mann in 1999, which instantly became the chief icon of the IPCC and the global warming lobby all over the world. But in 2003 a Canadian statistician, Steve McIntyre, with his colleague Professor Ross McKitrick, showed how the graph had been fabricated by a computer model that produced "hockey stick" graphs whatever random data were fed into it. A wholly unrepresentative sample of tree rings from bristlecone pines in the western USA had been made to stand as "proxies" to show that there was no Medieval Warm Period, and that late 20th-century temperatures had soared to unprecedented levels.

Although McIntyre's exposure of the "hockey stick" was upheld in 2006 by two expert panels commissioned by the US Congress, the small group of scientists at the top of the IPCC brushed this aside by pointing at a hugely influential series of graphs originating from the CRU, from Jones and Briffa. These appeared to confirm the rewriting of climate history in the "hockey stick", by using quite different tree ring data from Siberia. Briffa was put in charge of the key chapter of the IPCC's fourth report, in 2007, which dismissed all McIntyre's criticisms.

At the forefront of those who found suspicious the graphs based on tree rings from the Yamal peninsula in Siberia was McIntyre himself, not least because for years the CRU refused to disclose the data used to construct them. This breached a basic rule of scientific procedure. But last summer the Royal Society insisted on the rule being obeyed, and two months ago Briffa accordingly published on his website some of the data McIntyre had been after.

This was startling enough, as McIntyre demonstrated in an explosive series of posts on his Climate Audit blog, because it showed that the CRU studies were based on cherry-picking hundreds of Siberian samples only to leave those that showed the picture that was wanted. Other studies based on similar data had clearly shown the Medieval Warm Period as hotter than today. Indeed only the evidence from one tree, YADO61, seemed to show a "hockey stick" pattern, and it was this, in light of the extraordinary reverence given to the CRU's studies, which led McIntyre to dub it "the most influential tree in the world".

But more dramatic still has been the new evidence from the CRU's leaked documents, showing just how the evidence was finally rigged. The most quoted remark in those emails has been one from Prof Jones in 1999, reporting that he had used "Mike [Mann]'s Nature trick of adding in the real temps" to "Keith's" graph, in order to "hide the decline". Invariably this has been quoted out of context. Its true significance, we can now see, is that what they intended to hide was the awkward fact that, apart from that one tree, the Yamal data showed temperatures not having risen in the late 20th century but declining. What Jones suggested, emulating Mann's procedure for the "hockey stick" (originally published in Nature), was that tree-ring data after 1960 should be eliminated, and substituted – without explanation – with a line based on the quite different data of measured global temperatures, to convey that temperatures after 1960 had shot up.

A further devastating blow has now been dealt to the CRU graphs by an expert contributor to McIntyre's Climate Audit, known only as "Lucy Skywalker". She has cross-checked with the actual temperature records for that part of Siberia, showing that in the past 50 years temperatures have not risen at all. (For further details see the science blog Watts Up With That.)

In other words, what has become arguably the most influential set of evidence used to support the case that the world faces unprecedented global warming, developed, copied and promoted hundreds of times, has now been as definitively kicked into touch as was Mann's "hockey stick" before it. Yet it is on a blind acceptance of this kind of evidence that 16,500 politicians, officials, scientists and environmental activists will be gathering in Copenhagen to discuss measures which, if adopted, would require us all in the West to cut back on our carbon dioxide emissions by anything up to 80 per cent, utterly transforming the world economy.

Little of this extraordinary story been reported by the BBC or most of our mass-media, so possessed by groupthink that they are unable to see the mountain of evidence now staring them in the face. Not for nothing was Copenhagen the city in which Hans Andersen wrote his story about the Emperor whose people were brainwashed into believing that he was wearing a beautiful suit of clothes. But today there are a great many more than just one little boy ready to point out that this particular Emperor is wearing nothing at all.

I will only add two footnotes to this real-life new version of the old story. One is that, as we can see from the CRU's website, the largest single source of funding for all its projects has been the European Union, which at Copenhagen will be more insistent than anyone that the world should sign up to what amounts to the most costly economic suicide note in history.

The other is that the ugly, drum-like concrete building at the University of East Anglia which houses the CRU is named after its founder, the late Hubert Lamb, the doyen of historical climate experts. It was Professor Lamb whose most famous contribution to climatology was his documenting and naming of what he called the Medieval Warm Epoch, that glaring contradiction of modern global warming theory which his successors have devoted untold efforts to demolishing. If only they had looked at the evidence of those Siberian trees in the spirit of true science, they might have told us that all their efforts to show otherwise were in vain, and that their very much more distinguished predecessor was right after all.

[Drake]

So I guess I was just imagining the hole in the ozone endangering South America, the ice sheets collapsing into the ocean, and abnormal weather worldwide. That and other, nonpartisan weather stations tracking an increase over the last century. Silly me. And all along, all I had to do was read an article on the internetz claiming their stuff to be fact. I mean, if an internet article says it's true, then we can ignore the reality.

[Xiao3 Meng4]

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[Scott R. Brown]

So I guess I was just imagining the hole in the ozone endangering South America, the ice sheets collapsing into the ocean, and abnormal weather worldwide. That and other, nonpartisan weather stations tracking an increase over the last century. Silly me. And all along, all I had to do was read an article on the internetz claiming their stuff to be fact. I mean, if an internet article says it's true, then we can ignore the reality.

The ozone hole heals itself, the ice pack in Antarctica is growing not shrinking, one volcano eruption, (Pinatubo and Mt. St. Helens are a good examples) put more CO2 and other gases into the atmosphere than all the particles and gases since the beginning of the industrial age, and the planet does fine. Global warming (if it were true) would be a boon to mankind by extending the yearly growing season and help plant life flourish since they require it for growth. The amount of CO2 that humans put into the atmosphere is something on the order of 0.001% of all the CO2.

All this information is easily found and verified for the curious minded.

Others could just as well say the colder winters and earlier snows and freezes don't mean anything either.

There is NO perfect, idyllic environment on this planet. It is always in flux. The attempt to control the environment is doomed to create as much, if not more damage than the pretend damage global warming fearmongers are creating in their own minds!

[uki]

From NASA. I won't do the very brief research necessary from this point.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/ooooooooooohhhhh... because NASA is such a un-biased and credible source. :rolleyes:

[MasterKiller]

The ozone hole heals itself, After CFCs were banned....


one volcano eruption, (Pinatubo and Mt. St. Helens are a good examples) put more CO2 and other gases into the atmosphere than all the particles and gases since the beginning of the industrial age, and the planet does fine. You've posted this before, but it's wrong.

On average, volcanoes spew over 130 million tons of CO2 (http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Hazards/What/VolGas/volgas.html) into the atmosphere each year. In contrast, in 2005, we emitted more than 27 billion tons of CO2 (http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/international/iealf/tableh1co2.xls). Emissions from human activity are more than 200 times the emissions from volcanic activity.

Volcanoes, also, tend to offset their CO2 by extruding particles into the atmosphere that block the sun, usually resulting in a brief cooling.

[uki]

On average, volcanoes spew over 130 million tons of CO2 (http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Hazards/What/VolGas/volgas.html) into the atmosphere each year. In contrast, in 2005, we emitted more than 27 billion tons of CO2 (http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/international/iealf/tableh1co2.xls). Emissions from human activity are more than 200 times the emissions from volcanic activity.

Volcanoes, also, tend to offset their CO2 by extruding particles into the atmosphere that block the sun, usually resulting in a brief cooling.so is this from credible scientific sources?? i mean, the global warming "experts" don't really have that good of a reputation these days. :)

[Drake]

so is this from credible scientific sources?? i mean, the global warming "experts" don't really have that good of a reputation these days. :)

From the geologists, not the global warming commission.

[1bad65]

I do give Obama credit where it is deserved.

"President Obama's top climate change negotiator arrived in Copenhagen Wednesday swinging back at Chinese demands for the United States to increase its emission reduction goals.

"With respect to our emissions, it's true our emissions have gone up since 1990," Todd Stern acknowledged. But he added, "the country whose emissions are going up, dramatically, really dramatically is China."

China is the world's largest greenhouse gas emitter, overtaking the United States in recent years."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/09/swings-china-copenhagen/

Even though global warming is now a proven hoax, at least those fools who still believe it are finally using some common sense. All this time the US has been the bad guy, while Communist China gets a pass, despite being worse than us.

Gee, I wonder why the global warming people have always been hell-bent on punishing a capitalistic, free country like ours, yet they give a Communist country a pass.....

[1bad65]

Of course China is wanting us to pass new environmental laws here, while they refuse to so. Every time we pass these laws that hurt business, they benefit by even more American jobs and industry coming to them.

It's not rocket science.

[Drake]

Of course China is wanting us to pass new environmental laws here, while they refuse to so. Every time we pass these laws that hurt business, they benefit by even more American jobs and industry coming to them.

It's not rocket science.

Environmentally, the USA are saints compared to China and developing nations.

[uki]

Environmentally, the USA are saints compared to China and developing nations.LOL... that isn't saying much about amerikkka then. :p

[1bad65]

Environmentally, the USA are saints compared to China and developing nations.

Agreed.

Now please explain why they have gotten a free ride by the global warming hoaxters, while we are called the biggest danger to the planet.

[1bad65]

Looks like Al Gore got caught lying, AGAIN. :rolleyes:

"The former vice president said new research showed that the Arctic could be completely ice-free in five years, but the scientist his estimate was based on denies the timeline.

There are many kinds of truth. Al Gore was hit by an inconvenient one yesterday.

The former vice president, who became an unlikely figurehead for the green movement after narrating the Oscar-winning documentary "An Inconvenient Truth," became entangled in a new climate change row.

Gore, speaking at the Copenhagen climate change summit, stated the latest research showed that the Arctic could be completely ice-free in five years.

In his speech, Gore told the conference: "These figures are fresh. Some of the models suggest to Dr. [Wieslav] Maslowski that there is a 75 percent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during the summer months, could be completely ice-free within five to seven years."

However, the climatologist whose work Gore was relying upon dropped the former vice president in the water with an icy blast.

"It's unclear to me how this figure was arrived at," Dr. Maslowski said. "I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this."

Gore's office later admitted that the 75 percent figure was one used by Dr. Maslowski as a "ballpark figure" several years ago in a conversation with Gore.

The embarrassing error cast another shadow over the conference after the controversy over the hacked e-mails from the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit, which appeared to suggest that scientists had manipulated data to strengthen their argument that human activities were causing global warming."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/copenhagen/article6956783.ece

[BoulderDawg]

I don't really listen to Al Gore that much. I consider him and his wife just barely above teabagger level.

That said, the pictures he showed of Mount Kilimanjaro pretty much says it all.

However since he's just a lying MFer I guess he faked those!:D