The greatest (vid)

[Ray Pina]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmaHGY7BEog

[David Jamieson]

cool. :)

the one and only

[Lucas]

thats a nice comp.

one of the things that always strikes me with ali is that he had some serious personal style with his boxing. one of the things that makes it fun to watch him box.

ali and tyson on arsenio hall (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki4UKsI8bms&NR=1)

[David Jamieson]

arsenio had weird ass hands on him. freakish. look at them, his hands are like twig branches or something.

[taai gihk yahn]

try to tell me that Ali didn't have so-called "internal" power...

[Scott R. Brown]

try to tell me that Ali didn't have so-called "internal" power...

Ali didn't have "internal" power..........gee that was pretty easy!:p

[taai gihk yahn]

Ali didn't have "internal" power..........gee that was pretty easy!:p

I said "try" to tell me, I didn't actually say to actually DO it...

a-HAAA! :D

[Yum Cha]

"...every head must bow, every tongue profess, he was the greatest!"

The American Bruce Lee...

[Scott R. Brown]

I said "try" to tell me, I didn't actually say to actually DO it...

a-HAAA! :D

Hmmmm....apparently attention to detail is not my strong suite.....er suit!!

It must be all the "speculation" I have been doing since my wife went visiting to the Philippines for 2 1/2 months!!!!:(

[SIFU RON]

Myself and friends use to watch him fight at the Olympic auditorium ( Los Angeles)
notice how he knocked guys out whlie he was stepping back ? He was exciting to watch, he use to get the other fighter so P****d off, they would " lose their cool" and get a " hot shot" from Ali.

Thanks for the great Video. ;)

[sanjuro_ronin]

The hand speed of a MW on the KO power of a HW.
I was never a big fan of his style, he took a little too much punishment for my taste, but his smoothness, his fluidity was truly "like water" at times.
He had relaxed power and it was his excellent alignment that add some much BAM to his punches.
Ali's biggest issue was probably that he wasn't able to change his style of fighting as he got older and started to lose a step.

[Iron_Eagle_76]

Truly the greatest. The saddest part about watching this video is seeing first hand the destruction of boxing from it's golden years to the greed and corruption that runs it now. Gone are the Muhammed Ali, Smokin Joe Frazier, George Foremans of the world. I personally loved the earler era, the Joe Lewis, Jack Dempsey, and my favorite of all time, Rocky Marciano. This is when boxing was what it was truly meant to be. How sad to think what it has become.:(

[sanjuro_ronin]

Truly the greatest. The saddest part about watching this video is seeing first hand the destruction of boxing from it's golden years to the greed and corruption that runs it now. Gone are the Muhammed Ali, Smokin Joe Frazier, George Foremans of the world. I personally loved the earler era, the Joe Lewis, Jack Dempsey, and my favorite of all time, Rocky Marciano. This is when boxing was what it was truly meant to be. How sad to think what it has become.:(

It was still corrupt then, juts less obvious and it was less commercial.
The 80's had some great fighters:
Leonard
Hearns
Duran
Holmes
Hagler
Mancini
Tyson
Sure I missing some...

Big promotions and Don King were the beginning of a very seedy down slope.

[Iron_Eagle_76]

It was still corrupt then, juts less obvious and it was less commercial.
The 80's had some great fighters:
Leonard
Hearns
Duran
Holmes
Hagler
Mancini
Tyson
Sure I missing some...

Big promotions and Don King were the beginning of a very seedy down slope.

Agreed. However, the fighters from the golden age up until the 80's had something most fighters now don't, heart, will, and determination. It is a business, yes, but the Floyd Mayweathers making 25 million per fight to fight an over the hill Oscar De lehoya don't begin to compare to the wars between Marvin Hagler and Sugar Ray. Boxing has always been corrupt, I see what you are saying, but at least it had heart then.

Hell, the most memorable fight of this decade was Micky Ward and Arturo Gatti, and it wasn't even a title fight. But that fight went a long way to show where boxing used to be compared to what it has become.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Agreed. However, the fighters from the golden age up until the 80's had something most fighters now don't, heart, will, and determination. It is a business, yes, but the Floyd Mayweathers making 25 million per fight to fight an over the hill Oscar De lehoya don't begin to compare to the wars between Marvin Hagler and Sugar Ray. Boxing has always been corrupt, I see what you are saying, but at least it had heart then.

Hell, the most memorable fight of this decade was Micky Ward and Arturo Gatti, and it wasn't even a title fight. But that fight went a long way to show where boxing used to be compared to what it has become.

You got that right brother.
While the fighters of today are better conditioned and perhaps even better technique wise, very few of them are "fighters", but that is not their fault, its a different environment now.

[Pork Chop]

Sorry, I think Pacquiao (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JNUV5nEbcA) and JCC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ1D_07NPAE) would've been one of the greatest fights of all time.
He's the one dude out right now I consider "throw back"; at the same time I think his explosiveness is something unique.

Sugar Ray Robinson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgmbtHhT7NM) needs to be mentioned in this thread...
So do Joe Louis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8UF0MIwc70) and Jack Johnson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubUrl4YU2QE); though Ali actually got a lot of his style from Jersey Joe Walcott as well.

After Pacquiao the only fighter that even comes close for me is Carmen Basilio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly4Ryphq-jw) and most of that (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koVjOmmr1Ns) is because of personality (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLK4-PDamjE). Basilio was kinda small as a welter, but gives up his title to move up to middleweight to fight possibly the greatest p4p fighter of all time. Plus he's a fellow Yankee fan. :p

[Yum Cha]

Welter weights? Middle Weights?

If you wanna watch stick figures do battle, just keep an eye on the celery and carrot stick buffett at a fashion shoot...
:p

[diego]

try to tell me that Ali didn't have so-called "internal" power...



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[Improve]

Muhammad Ali trained in Taekwondo with Grandmaster Jhoon Rhee.

http://www.jhoonrhee.com/bio.html

I have had the pleasure of meeting Muhammad Ali a couple of times and had the honor of personally presenting him with an honorary Black Belt Dan certificate that came from the Kukkiwon, world headquarters in Seoul Korea.



Lessons From Boxing: Training, Tactics and
Faster Footwork

By John Stewart / Photos by John Stewart and Joe Messinger
A boxing ring and heavy bag are all that is necessary to expose competition-oriented
karateka to the basics of boxing.
(Photo from the Black Belt archive)
Ever notice how much Muhammad Ali’s left jab looks like a backfist?

Rerun one of Ali’s better fights and you’ll notice that quick, flicking left hand—the left that blinds his opponent, obscuring his vision and keeping him off-balance. Ali throws it with the elbow out and the hand slightly unclenched, sometimes making contact with just the tip of his glove.

It is said that Ali has taken instruction in a form of karate, so it would seem reasonable to assume that he consciously modified the stiff left jab of boxing into the whipping, backfist-like strike so often seen in tournament karate. Although no one but Ali knows what Ali thinks, it would make sense to add the backfist to a boxer’s arsenal, especially if that boxer was speed-oriented rather than one who depended on power.

I'm researching the chinese inflluence on modern sports science trying to find a link right now between Yip man and Einstein...lol


"THE INTRODUCTION OF EXERCISE PHYSIOLOGY IN CHINA:
IN SEARCH OF THE FIRST PUBLICATION
Frank H. Fu1, Tom K. Tong2, Yunhong Wang1
1Dr. Stephen Hui Research Centre for Physical Recreation and Wellness,
Hong Kong Baptist University, HONG KONG SAR
2Department of Physical Education, Hong Kong Baptist University, HONG KONG SAR"

http://www.scsepf.org/doc/21042006/Paper_2.pdf



Wang Kin did not like to talk about the history of Wing Chun, because he said there isn't any. The so-called history was created by one man called Li Man. Yip's senior students agreed to the "history" because legendary (could be fictitious) characters like Ng Mui and monk Gee Sin could help to publicize Wing Chun. Wong Kiu said that he does not know of any characters before Yip Man. Later, however some people wrote versions of Wing Chun history which in many ways appeared ridiculous. Wong Kiu said: "A lie told a hundred times the same way would become the truth, but a lie with various versions would remain a lie."

http://www.ams.ubc.ca/clubs/wingchun/kf_khoe.html

I think it was Wong Shun Leung who mentioned GM Yip liked to bring the science lab to the kwoon. W.Chueng mentioned that GM YM taught different postures to different applicants...

was going to make two seperate threads, thought I'd add some topics into the discussion.