using the techniques you have learned in sparring

[Hitman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMZc_sNCoto&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_9tTMO8bK0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1spOs_v6wE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K96tPiw5ZZo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDg-U3RYhxI&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhoY-J-Q70Y&feature=related
I am not sure whether this is choreographed or not.

[Iron_Eagle_76]

The major problem I have with most of these videos, specifically the first two or three, is that the practiones leave their heads unguarded for long periods of time and while throwing a strike. This may work with someone making the same mistakes, but not against a fighter who doesn't.

The long, looping punches and strikes can work and are a staple of CMA, however, there is way to much posturing and wasted movement rather than keeping a good base and working from that. Also their heads are completely exposed in many instances and someone with good straight blast techniques would take their heads off.

The other videos are simply one step sparring and the last looks choregraphed, albeit with the same problems the first few have. I don't understand why Kung Fu practioners still believe their fighting has to look like a Shaw Brothers movie.

[Hitman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of-4W08Ju1w&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of-4W08Ju1w&feature=related
Not sure whether this is a demonstration or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeoiClKTXU4&feature=PlayList&p=AE65494C7D8461D0&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=40
Not sure whether this is a demonstration or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9gKEeDeAWE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqItqjolIyw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2L2abt0kNU&feature=related

[Hitman]

1)"The major problem I have with most of these videos, specifically the first two or three, is that the practiones leave their heads unguarded for long periods of time and while throwing a strike. This may work with someone making the same mistakes, but not against a fighter who doesn't."


Those people are using what they have learnt in sparring (TCMA) and they are not sparring like kick boxers.
So you have not seem professional western boxers in boxing matches not putting up their hands to guard their faces before. They allowed their opponents to punch them and use their foot work to defend themselves. Their opponents failed to land most of their punches e.g. Muhammad Ali.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbMl58MDD5M
Those martial arts practitioners did not put up their hands to guard their faces.

2)"The long, looping punches and strikes can work and are a staple of CMA, however, there is way to much posturing and wasted movement rather than keeping a good base and working from that. Also their heads are completely exposed in many instances and someone with good straight blast techniques would take their heads off.


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excessive motion, stop fighting like your doing a form

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The "excessive" motions are also used to distract and always keep a flowing movements of the hands so that you can instantly counters, strike or deceive the opponent. That's why they're taught in forms but most don't understand."


3)"The other videos are simply one step sparring and the last looks choregraphed, albeit with the same problems the first few have. I don't understand why Kung Fu practioners still believe their fighting has to look like a Shaw Brothers movie.

How you train is how you will fight. If you have not been taught how to using kung fu in fighting then you will use what is most natural to you in fighting, therefore, self style kick boxing.
Practitioners from judo, kick boxing, Thai boxing, BJJ, boxing, western fencing etc can apply what they have in sparring and tournaments. Therefore, you would expect the TCMA practitoners to do the same. It is not that easy to use TCMA or any martial arts in a fight/sparring, but it can be done if you are willing to work at it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdWarSOFZ9U&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g16EseISVRo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ycv7xqwdjZk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0-7USCZWR4




"NekoJinRei (1 week ago)

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Wow! Really fantastic! Rarely do I see a kung fu school that uses traditional kung fu techniques, including my own. I wish we would spar more at my school so we could develop traditional kung fu fighting ability. And the few times we do spar, everyone seems to resort to kickboxing and karate style fighting."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5XKRCqGRTY



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djdy_fhvZuM

[Drake]

I really have to stay conscious about leaving my head exposed. I did it once and paid the price, and still didn't learn my lesson. Just because I can take it doesn't mean I should be fighting like Rocky when I don't have to.

Good insight and observation, there.

[sanjuro_ronin]

So you have not seem professional western boxers in boxing matches not putting up their hands to guard their faces before. They allowed their opponents to punch them and use their foot work to defend themselves. Their opponents failed to land most of their punches e.g. Muhammad Ali.


Never confuse what high level fighter do with what low lever fighters SHOULD do.
Every one is/ should be taught to keep their hands up, period.

[goju]

isnt the reason alis brain is all schmogoogled now largely because his opponents punches did land often?

[Iron_Eagle_76]

Those people are using what they have learnt in sparring (TCMA) and they are not sparring like kick boxers.

If this is what you consider good sparring, maybe this is the reason that TCMA is in the state that it is in.:eek: Good sparring needs to have continuous technique and solid contact, not a couple limp noodles playing tag and slap happy together. Get back to me when you post a video worth looking at.

[bawang]

Those people are using what they have learnt in sparring (TCMA) and they are not sparring like kick boxers..
"never put your hands down" longfist poem

The "excessive" motions are also used to distract and always keep a flowing movements of the hands so that you can instantly counters, strike or deceive the opponent. That's why they're taught in forms but most don't understand.".
"dont wave your hands around keep them still" shaolin poem

[sanjuro_ronin]

isnt the reason alis brain is all schmogoogled now largely because his opponents punches did land often?

Hard to say 100% buy it is pretty much 100% for sure that all the blows he received didn't help with his Parkinsons.
And yes, he did get hit more often than he should have, as do all boxers that take their head speed for granted.

[Drake]

"never put your hands down" longfist poem



"Easier said than done" American Quote

[sanjuro_ronin]

Personally I think everyone that fights me SHOULD keep their hands down, that way they have a better chance at beating me.
No really, I mean it.

[sanjuro_ronin]

"Easier said than done" American Quote

"I suck you long time", Thai Hooker quote.


Ah, those were the days....

[bawang]

does anyone know the link to that japanese mma fight where hong man choi got his face pounded like a cake by that american guy with a cool mustache? there were a ton of kung fu techniques in that video but i cant find it

[Drake]

"I suck you long time", Thai Hooker quote.


Ah, those were the days....

I thought that was Vietnamese?

[sanjuro_ronin]

I thought that was Vietnamese?

It's universal in SE Asia, I mean, it is called Bangkok.

[bawang]

anybody tried to use kung fu poses in a real fight?

i tried in high school and stared at the ceiling for a good 5 min

i think those tanglang guys are brave for trying but if they really believe they can use it they r welcome to find out for themselves

[Lucas]

does anyone know the link to that japanese mma fight where hong man choi got his face pounded like a cake by that american guy with a cool mustache? there were a ton of kung fu techniques in that video but i cant find it

are you talking about this one: its actually don frye vs Yoshihisa Yamamoto, one of the best toe to toe bloody face beat downs on film


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-AkC8l-8Xc

you may be talking about hong man choi vs mirko "cro cop" filipovic?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtgXQDrdLok

[bawang]

yeah man don fry!!!! he has a awesome mustache
beginning of the fight: tile stepping, seven star
1:19 pat horse, 1:20 four directions and heng quan aka luohan pounds mortar 1:30 gold rooster stand one leg, 1:47 touch the sun/sky cannon 2:12 tiger hug
2:41 resting bull, smash the back 2:48 god fist/meteor hammer

[Dragonzbane76]

haha i remember don fry. greco roman wasn't he? kinda a dan sevence. (spelling) type of guy.

[Lucas]

lol ya he totally looks like dan severn. its the porno stache

[Iron_Eagle_76]

I bet Don Frye has this kick a**ss shirt:

http://www.americaniconmerch.com/catalog/images/mustache%201.jpg

[goju]

l its the porno stache

why on earth didnt he never use that as his nick name? lol:D

[bawang]

http://www.21wulin.com/upimg/allimg/070514/1740212.jpg
single leg takedown
http://www.21wulin.com/upimg/allimg/070514/1740211.jpg
http://www.21wulin.com/upimg/allimg/070514/1740213.jpg
muay thai knee

[Drake]

pek choi works... sou choi needs a good opening... gwa choi works... low roundhouses work...

[bawang]

hay man speaking of pek and gwa,about the connection to weapons from that other thead, pi and gua are from saber

[Drake]

hay man speaking of pek and gwa,about the connection to weapons from that other thead, pi and gua are from saber

Any links to them being used? I wanna see.

[bawang]

sry i dont know ask ur sifu