Democrat judge dismisses all charges against Blackwater guards

[1bad65]

"WASHINGTON – A federal judge dismissed all charges Thursday against five Blackwater Worldwide security guards accused of killing unarmed Iraqi civilians on a crowded Baghdad street in 2007.

U.S. District Judge Ricardo Urbina said Justice Department prosecutors improperly built their case on sworn statements that had been given under a promise of immunity. Urbina said the government's explanations were "contradictory, unbelievable and lacking in credibility.""

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091231/ap_on_go_ot/us_blackwater_prosecution

Judge Urbina was appointed to the United States District Court by President Bill Clinton in 1994.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricardo_M._Urbina

[Drake]

Blackwater should be banned from any gov't contracts for the next 20 years. They caused so many problems downrange, I don't even know where to start.

[mawali]

Though I may be biased in the matter, Blackwater is not a saint but they have done excellent work and have never lost an asset under protection!
That being said, through rebuilding their brand, they will be able to pull through and continue their work in progress and fulfill their assignments.

One has to understand that terrorists use civilians as cover for their evil deeds so the response at the time appeared to be appropriate.

[Drake]

Though I may be biased in the matter, Blackwater is not a saint but they have done excellent work and have never lost an asset under protection!
That being said, through rebuilding their brand, they will be able to pull through and continue their work in progress and fulfill their assignments.

One has to understand that terrorists use civilians as cover for their evil deeds so the response at the time appeared to be appropriate.

Bullcrap. They roll into an area spraying bullets, ruining months of nonlethal work there and generally disrespecting US, Iraqi, and allied forces. And yes, they HAVE lost assets, not that they'll ever admit it.

They are not good people, and having been in the same AO as them, I'd say they do far more harm than good.

[uki]

this is great news!!! now when martial law is declared and they have to hire private security contractors to help enforce it(because all our troops are overseas fighting ghosts), it's gonna be people like this that can get away with beatings, rapings, and murder... good god i love this country. :rolleyes:

[Dragonzbane76]

blackwater lost most of their contracts. I doubt this company is going to withstand another quarter. Their biggest contracts went to other companies like triple canopy and smaller subcontractors. b!tch all you want but i doubt they'll be around much longer and if they are they will probably be enrolled in legal battles which will cost them most of what they have left.

[Drake]

From CNN...

Iraq to sue ex-Blackwater guards:

Baghdad, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraq said Friday that it will file a lawsuit against five Blackwater security guards cleared of manslaughter charges in the 2007 killing of 17 Iraqi civilians, an act a government official called murder.

The Iraqi government also will ask the U.S. Justice Department to appeal a federal judge's "unfair and unacceptable" dismissal of the charges Thursday, spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said.

An Iraqi man wounded in the 2007 incident also voiced his anger Friday, saying U.S. District Judge Ricardo Urbina's dismissal of the charges showed "disregard for Iraqi blood."

Urbina found Thursday that prosecutors wrongly used the guards' own statements against them.

"We were expecting that American justice system is fair and independent," said Hassan Jaber Salman, a lawyer. "It's clear that the justice system in America is unjust and unfair."

Al-Dabbagh said "investigations carried out by specialized Iraqi authorities unequivocally found that the Blackwater guards committed murder and broke use-of-force rules when there was no threat requiring the use of force."

The September 16, 2007, bloodbath in Baghdad's Nusour Square, which also left two dozen wounded, led Iraq's government to place limits on security contractors hired by Blackwater and other contractors. Blackwater has since changed its name to Xe.

The Blackwater employees were guarding a State Department convoy in western Baghdad when the shooting began. The company said its contractors came under attack, but Iraqi authorities called the gunfire unprovoked and indiscriminate.

Urbina found that the government's case was built largely on "statements compelled under a threat of job loss" during a State Department investigation of the shootings, violating the Fifth Amendment rights of the five men charged.

"In their zeal to bring charges against the defendant in this case, the prosecutors and investigators aggressively sought out statements the defendants had been compelled to make to government investigators in the immediate aftermath of the shooting and in the subsequent investigation," Urbina wrote in a 90-page decision.

Federal prosecutors "repeatedly disregarded the warnings of experienced, senior prosecutors assigned to the case," the judge said.

In the ruling, which followed three weeks of hearings, Urbina said the explanations prosecutors and federal agents offered for using the guards' statements were "all too often contradictory, unbelievable and lacking in credibility."

"In short, the government has utterly failed to prove that it made no impermissible use of the defendants' statements or that such use was harmless beyond a reasonable doubt," he wrote.

There was no immediate response to the decision from the Justice Department, which can appeal the ruling or seek new indictments against the men.

The men were guarding a State Department convoy moving through western Baghdad when the shooting began. The company said its contractors came under attack, but Iraqi authorities called the gunfire unprovoked and indiscriminate.

Each of the now-former guards -- Paul Slough, Evan Liberty, Dustin Heard, Donald Ball and Nicholas Slatten -- faced 14 counts of manslaughter, 20 counts of attempted manslaughter and one count of using a firearm in the commission of a violent crime. Prosecutors requested that charges against Slatten be dropped in November, but Thursday's ruling dismissed the counts against all five.

"We're obviously pleased at the decision dismissing the entire indictment and are very happy that these courageous young men can begin the new year without this unfair cloud hanging over them," said Slough's lawyer, Mark Hulkower.

A sixth guard involved in the shootings, Jeremy Ridgeway, pleaded guilty in 2008 to voluntary manslaughter and attempted manslaughter.




I'd say the sooner the better. They damaged our image down there like no tomorrow. What does it say about you when even our own Soldiers down there can't stand you?

[BoulderDawg]

I don't see the problem:

Private citizens accused of murder in a foreign country. Of course extradition is the only answer.

Wait a minute....I forgot....Iraq is not a foreign country!:p

[Drake]

Actually, moron, Iraq does have the right to try even American soldiers for crimes. The only reason US troops haven't been tried is due to the Iraqis allowing us to handle it with UCMJ and court martials. They let us do it, not the other way around.

[mawali]

Bullcrap. They roll into an area spraying bullets, ruining months of nonlethal work there and generally disrespecting US, Iraqi, and allied forces. And yes, they HAVE lost assets, not that they'll ever admit it.

They are not good people, and having been in the same AO as them, I'd say they do far more harm than good.

No doubt there is foul on both sides! We all know that ever since the PMCs' entrance into Iraq, it has been the trunk monkeys' (or anyone who sees a threat!) job to fire at anyone who makes what appears suspicios but that was/is (less so now) the MO of the AO!
Just saying!

Perhaps their being granted special status by the Bush/Cheney cabal allowed them to act as they did (I do not know) but they did what they did until they were found out and outed by the fellows of the "sinking ship".

1. What do you think about the forensic evidence lacking veracity at the Square?
2. How do you account for several of thier vevhicles needing assistance after the incident if only BW fired rounds at innocent civilians?

No doubt the civilians had wounds consistant with BW's calibre of weapons but what about the uncategorized munition that disabled at least 2 of BWs own carriers!
As noted earlier BW (now Xe) got involved at their own level of clearance and government secrecy so they are not blameless!

[Drake]

Yeah... we call it positive target identification. You don't shoot unless you are absolutely sure you are targeting an enemy.

Warfare would be easy if every time someone shot at you, you could just wreck the place. However, in a COIN environment, it is self-defeating and generally makes things worse. Unless, of course, you are a contractor profiting from the war and generally have no vested interest in Iraq rebuilding itself. That, and it violates just about every ROE and several laws of war.

[BoulderDawg]

Oh hell yeah!

Pat Tillman knows all about that "You don't shoot unless you are absolutely sure you are targeting an enemy" policy!:D

[1bad65]

Oh hell yeah!

Pat Tillman knows all about that "You don't shoot unless you are absolutely sure you are targeting an enemy" policy!:D

You truly have no class.

[Drake]

It must be nice, never having tried to be or do anything. That way you never have to make a mistake or regret anything. You should probably just kill yourself now to avoid any chance of making an error. Weak.

[BoulderDawg]

It must be nice, never having tried to be or do anything. That way you never have to make a mistake or regret anything. You should probably just kill yourself now to avoid any chance of making an error. Weak.

Nice as hell! I'm enjoying it. Mayhap you should come up to Boulder and I'll show you how it's done!:p

[uki]

blackwater lost most of their contracts. I doubt this company is going to withstand another quarter. Their biggest contracts went to other companies like triple canopy and smaller subcontractors. b!tch all you want but i doubt they'll be around much longer and if they are they will probably be enrolled in legal battles which will cost them most of what they have left.they just changed their name... :rolleyes:

[Dragonzbane76]

wouldn't really matter concidering that they probably won't have any money coming in.

[uki]

wouldn't really matter concidering that they probably won't have any money coming in.not until martial law is installed and private security contractors once again get contracted to do the job, perhaps even under NATO or UN funding of sorts. :)

[Dragonzbane76]

hehe I know all the private security contractors. I'm telling you from knowledge that blackwater will not be around much longer. The contracts are going to different companies.

[mawali]

You're probably right!
BW has been operating as Xe Services for a short period!

One finds the problem, fixes it and through performance enhanced appraisals, said acts can be prevented. I am sure that the term "going postal" does not make the US Postal Service the cause of the evil acts committed by the few unbalanced nutcases, who just happen to work for that business entity!

[uki]

hehe I know all the private security contractors. all of them huh?? LOL


I'm telling you from knowledge that blackwater will not be around much longer.i am not disagreeing with you.


The contracts are going to different companies.companies change names and shuffle positions... new company, same entity.

[Drake]

You're probably right!
BW has been operating as Xe Services for a short period!

One finds the problem, fixes it and through performance enhanced appraisals, said acts can be prevented. I am sure that the term "going postal" does not make the US Postal Service the cause of the evil acts committed by the few unbalanced nutcases, who just happen to work for that business entity!

Except that this behavior is the standard instead of the rule downrange. Made our work a nightmare.

[Dragonzbane76]

all of them huh?? LOL lol well considering the places i work yeah i know the top ones at least for oversea contracts. smaller security companies i might not know (the mall security guards) :)

[mawali]

Who are these people? I want to know where to find them so I can get my money. I'm missing out here. I want my check!

I guess I should have been a little soldier boy. On 60 minutes last night they said that over 200K soldiers have filed for disability since 2003. So many in fact they can't even keep up processing them.
In any case where is this dude that is suppose to be giving me money!:D

There are people who fall under the "Stolen Valour Act" who pretended to be in a war zone. impersonate true patriots fighting for liberty or have never left USA and they get/are getting benefits they do not deserve!


All I would have had to do would have been go to Iraq, ride around on a Hummer all day, drink beer, smoke dope and hit on young Iraqi girls. but this aint true, or if it happens, it is so miniscule. When you patrol for x days and you come back, all you have time to do is get some zz's.

Perhaps if you are AGNA, you could have some guys dress up a girls, pour vodka (or whatever) up their crackhouse and drink from it! you think I jest! It is true.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Blackwater should be banned from any gov't contracts for the next 20 years. They caused so many problems downrange, I don't even know where to start.

Correct, period.

[BoulderDawg]

The 60 Minutes story was just amazing. Apparently there are like a million claims waiting to be filed. These people know all they have to do is talk about how the socialist President is not taking care of the military and they will get their money.

[1bad65]

The 60 Minutes story was just amazing. Apparently there are like a million claims waiting to be filed. These people know all they have to do is talk about how the socialist President is not taking care of the military and they will get their money.

Have you ever even been around someone who has seen combat?

[Drake]

Have you ever even been around someone who has seen combat?

He tried to make it happen, goading me into driving up there and killing him.

[Hardwork108]

Have you ever even been around someone who has seen combat?

This forum is full of them and most of them act like brainwashed nuts. That does not make them bad people necessarily but lets face it, a soldier is trained to kill and follow orders. Thinking is not deemed necessary, if it does not involve the tasks that he has been assigned to carry out. So we have soldiers and ex-soldiers all over the place that think that their government sends them to kill people on the other side of the planet to protect Democracy, Human Rights, Freedom, Justice and other bla, bla.

Yes, stealing natural resources has nothing to do with wars; Hefty arms contacts for huge arms manufacturers have nothing to do with it; Borrowing money from elite banks and finance cartels(who by the way, select your Presidents), to finance your wars and paying them interest out of US (and other) tax payers' pockets, therefore concentrating the nation's and world's wealth, further in the hands of a few, has nothing to do with it; Post war construction contracts have nothing to do with it; population control has nothing to do with it. I could go on but I am sure that you catch my drift.

[Kansuke]

a soldier is trained to kill and follow orders. Thinking is not deemed necessary, if it does not involve the tasks that he has been assigned to carry out.


More stupidity from the two year grandmaster :rolleyes:

[1bad65]

So Hardwork, neither you or the other idiot have had experience with combat veterans, yet you two are the self-crowned forum experts on the topic. :rolleyes:

[Hardwork108]

So Hardwork, neither you or the other idiot have had experience with combat veterans, yet you two are the self-crowned forum experts on the topic. :rolleyes:
I would kindly suggest that you peek your head out of your little compartmentalized world and your little brotherhood of combat veterans, and see the real world out there.

Brave men and women have been used as cannon fodder for centuries and it seems, sadly, that everyone seems to realize that except these soldiers themselves who are the ones making the biggest sacrifices, fulfilling agendas of the very elite who look upon them with contempt, just as they see the rest of the common population!

[Drake]

I would kindly suggest that you peek your head out of your little compartmentalized world and your little brotherhood of combat veterans, and see the real world out there.

Brave men and women have been used as cannon fodder for centuries and it seems, sadly, that everyone seems to realize that except these soldiers themselves who are the ones making the biggest sacrifices, fulfilling agendas of the very elite who look upon them with contempt, just as they see the rest of the common population!

LARPing does not make you a subject matter expert on combat.

[1bad65]

LARPing does not make you a subject matter expert on combat.

Well said.

But I guarantee he still won't get it.

[Drake]

Apparently he still thinks the draft is on. Those poor, poor volunteer soldiers, volunteering to serve their country. They never should have been made to go into the recruiter's office, sign the paperwork, take the tests, go through the medical examination, made sure they were not given any false promises by the recruiters, reviewed their contract, took their oath, and then went to BCT and finished instead of asking for an entry level separation.

Poor, poor oppressed people.

It was all they had open to them except doing well in school and getting a scholarship, or taking out student loans, or going to trade school, or going to community college for their first 2 years to save money, or getting a low salary entry level job and making their way up the chain with solid job performance. Poor fellas...so many doors closed to them.

[BoulderDawg]

In these days and times there are very few people in the American military who can say they have actually had any real "Combat". They depend on technology, the heat sensors, the radars, the tanks and hummers that can almost withstand a small nuke.

Truth is you get these people out in the field with just a compass and a knife and they would just fall apart.

In a world that all of a sudden didn't have any technology the US military would not stand a chance.

[Hardwork108]

LARPing does not make you a subject matter expert on combat.
I have never claimed to be an expert in military combat. Stop digressing!

What I have infinitely more knowledge than you about is the REAL world of politics. The reality that your brainwashed mind does not see. People like you actually believe that some "Islamic Fanatic" planned the 9-11 attacks sitting in a cave in Afghanistan.

You refuse to believe that your country (together with the UK) is still a colonial empire and that it kills(including its own citizens) and destroys ruthlessly for what it considers to be its interests.

And don't kid yourself, the interests of the USA are not your interests, if there are any overlaps, then they are purely accidental. The interests of the US are the interests of the Banking families who control your every day lives including deciding who your president will be; interests rates; which countries wars will be declared on in the coming years; which countries will be destablized and so on. They own your security agencies and the "government", but that is not enough. They want to own you @sses as well as today's technology will allow them to do that and hence the wars on terrorism and drugs; campaigns against Climate Change, their "necessary" infringements on your freedoms and rights as human beings.

Wake up call, Mr Drake!

[Drake]

Spoken like a true couch potato.

[Drake]

Apparently LARPing provides a previously impossible level of insight. Why, with his sword and shield, Hardwork has interpreted, without error, complex international policy without ever leaving the confines of his phalanx! Armed with google and conspiracy theory websites, Hardwork has singlehandedly unlocked every mystery in the world, and has come to the kung fu forum to grace us with his political commentary, all without a shred of formal education! Heavens bless the internet for empowering Hardwork to show us ignorant plebs the real truth, seen through the eyes of a man who dresses like a gladiator for fun!

[Dragonzbane76]

HW8 (carpetbagger) your a fu(king tool. Your an expert in every subject matter you profess to have passing knowledge of. You lack communication skills and everyone hates you. seriously why don't you just shot yourself. :cool:

[Hardwork108]

Apparently he still thinks the draft is on. Those poor, poor volunteer soldiers, volunteering to serve their country.

You know very well that many of them are encouraged to volunteer. Scouts are sent to the poorer areas of the country to recruit soldiers!


They never should have been made to go into the recruiter's office, sign the paperwork, take the tests, go through the medical examination, made sure they were not given any false promises by the recruiters, reviewed their contract, took their oath, and then went to BCT and finished instead of asking for an entry level separation.
They are no different than the enemy who they are fighting. Do you think that most Iraqui soldiers would be soldiers if they had the choice?

Most wouldn't!

The same goes for the Americans.

However, many on BOTH sides are brainwashed. One side is dying for Iraq, Allah, Mohammed and the other side is dying for Democracy. "Freedom"( what a laugh), God and Jesus.

Who wins? Not the soldiers, that is for sure. They die, they are maimed and damaged physically and psychologically. Their families are damaged and traumatized. So, no winners there for sure!

For the winners, see the trail of money!

Yes, have a look at the balance sheets of banks who lend money for weapons' purchases, construction etc. See arms company's balance sheets; see construction companies' balance sheets. Yes these people make a "killing"as well.

So what you get is bankers ( and other corporate families) choosing and running your governments to whom you are always paying more and more extortionate taxes. These "governments" rob and pillage the world for their masters. And while they are doing all this you the citizen tax payer is paying for it through your ever higher taxes. That is, your hard earned money is transferred, albeit indirectly, into the pockets of your corporate masters.

What happens when you refuse to pay for this con? Ask the Gestapo like IRS!!!


Poor, poor oppressed people.
My sentiments exactly.


It was all they had open to them except doing well in school and getting a scholarship,
You know very well that scholarships are not for everyone!


or taking out student loans, or going to trade school,
Student loans will put them in the packet of very bankers who run your everyday lives!



or going to community college for their first 2 years to save money, or getting a low salary entry level job and making their way up the chain with solid job performance.

It seems that even low salary jobs are not that abundant nowadays. You are talking fantasy. The military targets people from very low sectors of society and makes promises. Sadly, we must face it that many people join the army to go and kill "rug-heads" because they are evil and want to "destroy" America...LOL

That attitude comes from poorly educated simple minds, who are brought up under constant media (which is also controlled) propaganda, that is fine tuned to influence them. So yes, the military is full of knuckleheads too.!



Poor fellas...so many doors closed to them.

Of course there are!

A normal well balanced human being who has a good education and opportunities to progress in life is not going to volunteer to become a trained killer so as to go and kill other human beings on the other side of the world.

IT SEEMS THAT THE PATIENTS HAVE REALLY TAKEN OVER THE ASYLUM!!!!

[Hardwork108]

HW8 (carpetbagger) your a fu(king tool. Your an expert in every subject matter you profess to have passing knowledge of. You lack communication skills and everyone hates you. seriously why don't you just shot yourself. :cool:

I lack communication skills and I should "shot" myself....LOL

[Dragonzbane76]

I lack communication skills and I should "shot" myself....LOL

yep save everyone the stress of trying to understand your twisted mentality. ;) do the world a favor, you know do your part for the cleansing of the gene pool by pulling the trigger.

(god tell me you didn''t reproduce) the thought of another person with your mentality out there is almost to much to take. (of course you and uki do hold similar views, hey are you to related?) might explain the retarded pattern I see from you 2.

[Drake]

Nearly everything you said was utterly incorrect. Low income families get virtually all deducted taxes at year end. You wouldn't know that, because you hop around the jungle thinking you are Leonidas. I DO know that, because I was low income before, and I got everything back several years running. Fatal logic error 1.

Yes, there are scholarships for everyone, and in fact, many minority and poor groups are OVERrepresented. One guy, who later decided to join the Army, made more off scholarships than his ROTC counterparts. You wouldn't know this, because you still are trying to train up to fend off the Persians, but there is virtually an overwhelming amount of scholarships available for college students in America, not to mention very generous federal consolidated loans that have very low interest rates. Fatal logic error 2.

No, recruiters do not target low income people. I met my recruiter at a college job fair, who was sitting right next to very respectable corporations also hiring. In fact, most poor people do not even qualify for federal service, because at a minimum, they need a GED AND 15 college credits. There is absolutely no point in trying to find dropouts or those who have only their GED, people who tend to be at the absolutel lowest income bracket. Had you not been occupied trying make your shield shiny, you MIGHT have known this, but it's obvious you do not. Fatal logic error 3.

Epic fail, Hardwork. You tell everyone else to open their eyes, yet you are as blind as a Spartan Bat. Making controversial statements are great until you are called out for them. What defense do you have for that?

[Hardwork108]

.......Armed with google and conspiracy theory websites, Hardwork has singlehandedly unlocked every mystery in the world,
What is seen as "mystery" by you, is common knowledge for many who are educated for real as opposed to INDOCTRINATED, like you are!


and has come to the kung fu forum to grace us with his political commentary, all without a shred of formal education!
Good attempt at propaganda, but no cigars. You don't know what my education is and your attempts to discredit what I say through mere lies and propaganda are very transparent. Actually, others here have noticed and questioned your defensiveness whenever the US "government" is criticized.


Heavens bless the internet for empowering Hardwork to show us ignorant plebs the real truth,
You don't have to be an ignorant pleb for the rest of your life!


seen through the eyes of a man who dresses like a gladiator for fun!
More LIES!

I don't dress like a gladiator and even if I did, it would not matter because what I say is fact and furthermore, I am discussing these issues with you and you can be classified as a modern day "gladiator"!

Unfortunately the truth hasn't changed. Wether a soldier or a "gladiator" does not matter as you die for the benefit of rich men. All the rest of the patriotic lip service about freedom, democracy and human rights is just that, lip service!

[1bad65]

Drake,

It appears someone even more of a nutbar than BD has surfaced. I honestly never thought that would happen. See, I admit when I'm wrong. ;)

[BoulderDawg]

I don't dress like a gladiator and even if I did, it would not matter because what I say is fact and furthermore, I am discussing these issues with you and you can be classified as a modern day "gladiator"!


Why not? Sounds like a lot of fun! I think I would like to cross dress as a gladiator slave girl!:p:eek:

[1bad65]

Scouts are sent to the poorer areas of the country to recruit soldiers!

I wonder what slums they found people like Pat Tillman and John McCain's son at?

[Hardwork108]

Nearly everything you said was utterly incorrect. Low income families get virtually all deducted taxes at year end. You wouldn't know that, because you hop around the jungle thinking you are Leonidas. I DO know that, because I was low income before, and I got everything back several years running. Fatal logic error 1.
Are you denying the fact that many young men and women in low income families join the military to come out of their squalor? And that these people are targeted by military recruiters because not many people in their right minds will want to join the military so as to learn killing skills in order to go and kill innocent people in some fantasy war in the Middle East!


Yes, there are scholarships for everyone, and in fact, many minority and poor groups are OVERrepresented. One guy, who later decided to join the Army, made more off scholarships than his ROTC counterparts.
I was under the impression that you did not get scholarships if your aptitude did not match up.


You wouldn't know this, because you still are trying to train up to fend off the Persians, but there is virtually an overwhelming amount of scholarships available for college students in America,
Yes more LIES and attempts at character assassination. Tell whoeever that is training you that in order for such things to work you need to be more subtle.;)


not to mention very generous federal consolidated loans that have very low interest rates. Fatal logic error 2.
As much as being under debt has become part of the culture in the US (thanks to the banks and their "government" puppets or is it puppet governments?), there are many people who see it for what it is and avoid them like the plague.


No, recruiters do not target low income people. I met my recruiter at a college job fair, who was sitting right next to very respectable corporations also hiring. In fact, most poor people do not even qualify for federal service, because at a minimum, they need a GED AND 15 college credits. There is absolutely no point in trying to find dropouts or those who have only their GED, people who tend to be at the absolutel lowest income bracket. Had you not been occupied trying make your shield shiny, you MIGHT have known this, but it's obvious you do not. Fatal logic error 3.

According to a documentary that I saw some years ago in England, the US military were targetting poor rural areas in the US, targeting young men (some of them not so bright) from low income families, offering them a "way out" and other "opportunities". The camera were following the recruitment officers as they went about their business. Are you implying that these were just actors and not real military officials?


Epic fail, Hardwork. You tell everyone else to open their eyes, yet you are as blind as a Spartan Bat. Making controversial statements are great until you are called out for them. What defense do you have for that?
Yes, I am called upon to by a man who laces his every paragraph with official lies and unofficial attempts at character assassination using lies, distractions and deceit in order to digress from very important points made by me.

By the way, what do you find so controversial? The fact that the Iraq war had nothing to do with WOMDs? That the war on Afghanistan had nothing to do with Bin Ladin and 9-11 or the heroin trade, which is by the way flourishing since the US forces have been there? That 9-11 and 7/7 were inside jobs to con the Western populations into accepting unjust wars and infringments on their god given rights as human beings?

Tell me soldier.......

[Hardwork108]

I wonder what slums they found people like Pat Tillman and John McCain's son at?

I don't know. However, there have always been soldiers from the upper levels of society in the military. It seems that psychopathic tendencies and/or mere patriotic naivity do not recognize class structures.

So perhaps they were found in the "slums" of ignorance or political propaganda.

[BoulderDawg]

While we're on the subject, anyone want to bet that the percentage of blacks in the military is a hell of a lot higher than the percentage of the general population?

[BoulderDawg]

I'm wondering what branch of military service did the Bush girls sign up for!:D

[Hardwork108]

Why not? Sounds like a lot of fun! I think I would like to cross dress as a gladiator slave girl!:p:eek:

Be careful as we wouldn't want Sanjuro ronin to chase you all over the forums.:p

[Hardwork108]

I'm wondering what branch of military service did the Bush girls sign up for!:D

It may have been the lesbian division...lol

[sanjuro_ronin]

Be careful as we wouldn't want Sanjuro ronin to chase you all over the forums.:p

Bro, your obsession with me has got to stop, seriously, people are starting to wonder about you.

[sanjuro_ronin]

This is a thread about Blackwater and that idiot judge, not about the military that has ZERO to do with Blackwater.
But for those that have issues with the military, please be reminded of this:

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post.

Whiel said by someone that didn't deserve to wear the uniform, it nevertheless reminds people that the free reign they have right now, still comes with a price and that some are paying for it right now.
Hate the wars, hate the government, respect the soldiers.

[Hardwork108]

yep save everyone the stress of trying to understand your twisted mentality. ;)

AND


(god tell me you didn''t reproduce) the thought of another person with your mentality out there is almost to much to take.
"To" much to take? LOL


hey are you to related?)
Are you "to" related? LOL

At this stage I believe that there is more chance of you and Drake being related! LOL

Hey Drake, here is one guy who did not qualify for one of those scholarships that you always talk about....LOl,LOL,LOL



might explain the retarded pattern I see from you 2.

"You 2"? Ah finally.

I know, I know, those letters can be so confusing for knuckleheads....LOL,LOL,LOL

Yes, just stick to the numbers and things will get even easier once you learn to count up to ten.LOL

[Hardwork108]

Hate the wars, hate the government, respect the soldiers.
And I respect the soldiers for most part.

Also where I live they do a lot of good protecting the civilian population from the FARC. BUT, the soldiers here use US made arms to protect the population. The FARC use US made arms to kill soldiers and Colombian civilians.

So, who benefits?

See what I am getting at?

[Hardwork108]

While we're on the subject, anyone want to bet that the percentage of blacks in the military is a hell of a lot higher than the percentage of the general population?

I hear that the percentage of Hispanic and Blacks are higher but I do not have concrete evidence. Maybe Drake can enlighten us?

[sanjuro_ronin]

Also where I live they do a lot of good protecting the civilian population from the FARC. BUT, the soldiers here use US made arms to protect the population. The FARC use US made arms to kill soldiers and Colombian civilians.


Like I said, hate the government and you can add the military industrial complex too.
But don't resent soldier that do their best to serve their country, even in a ****ty war.
Don't take a few bad apples ( and yes they are a few compared to the multitude that are good) and lambaste all with the same brush.
There are many reasons why people become soldiers, the vast majority are good, honest and decent reasons.

[Drake]

Are you denying the fact that many young men and women in low income families join the military to come out of their squalor? And that these people are targeted by military recruiters because not many people in their right minds will want to join the military so as to learn killing skills in order to go and kill innocent people in some fantasy war in the Middle East!


I was under the impression that you did not get scholarships if your aptitude did not match up.


Yes more LIES and attempts at character assassination. Tell whoeever that is training you that in order for such things to work you need to be more subtle.;)


As much as being under debt has become part of the culture in the US (thanks to the banks and their "government" puppets or is it puppet governments?), there are many people who see it for what it is and avoid them like the plague.



According to a documentary that I saw some years ago in England, the US military were targetting poor rural areas in the US, targeting young men (some of them not so bright) from low income families, offering them a "way out" and other "opportunities". The camera were following the recruitment officers as they went about their business. Are you implying that these were just actors and not real military officials?


Yes, I am called upon to by a man who laces his every paragraph with official lies and unofficial attempts at character assassination using lies, distractions and deceit in order to digress from very important points made by me.

By the way, what do you find so controversial? The fact that the Iraq war had nothing to do with WOMDs? That the war on Afghanistan had nothing to do with Bin Ladin and 9-11 or the heroin trade, which is by the way flourishing since the US forces have been there? That 9-11 and 7/7 were inside jobs to con the Western populations into accepting unjust wars and infringments on their god given rights as human beings?

Tell me soldier.......


1.Yes, I am saying that those in the lowest income bracket are usually ineligible to enlist. In fact, 75% of Americans are ineligible to enlist. So yes, I am calling your WRONG. Deal with it.

2. "under the impression" Yes, that would sum up your knowledge pool. You seem to under the impression of a lot of erroneous things. And you are wrong. There are many MANY scholarships available for those simply based on their ethnicity, chosen path of education, and even where they live.

3. Most transactions would be impossible without credit. Auto sales, home sales, Ivy League educations, all impossible without credit. Credit, when used responsibly, is one of the greatest enablers of modern commerce. However, you are unable to differentiate between good and bad credit, a SOLID indicator of your ignorance in this matter. But if you can shell out hundreds of thousands of dollars for a home, car and education, more power to you. The rest of the world uses credit and loans. It actually makes the economy healthier, but you can't figure that out without being educated.

4. It says volumes that you base the American military system off a documentary you saw in the UK. It's wrong, by the way. Why target people who can't join anyway? Huge logical mistake, there, and indicative of someone who knows very VERY little about America.

You say I publish official lies, when all you do is regurgitate conspiracy theories and paranoia in order to scare people into fearing their government. A government which allows us to bear arms, question our officials, impeach presidents, and if it comes to real tyranny, not fabricated conspiracy theories, overthrow the government. I've busted you out, and all you can do is whine and use phrases like "I was under the impression" or "I saw it on TEEVEE", revealing your complete ignorance in the matter. You think YOU thought up the "9/11 conspiracy"? No, you didn't. You heard about it, it was "controversial", so you latched on to it without even questioning it.

There's no revolution here, because people know you and the sickos who feed you the information, are sad liars who want to provoke the public with garbage. They aren't buying it, so you can go back to practicing your parry and thrust with the rest of your Roman legion.

Or you can continue screaming nonsense at the top of your lungs, and deal with everyone here mocking you and your insanity.

[Drake]

I hear that the percentage of Hispanic and Blacks are higher but I do not have concrete evidence. Maybe Drake can enlighten us?

In my unit, we are split right down the middle. We have Asian, Caucasian, African Americans, and people from countries I didn't even know existed. It is still primarily white. It is a very VERY balanced society. It always throws me off when I hear civilians make racial statements, because the Army is one of the most diverse and nonracist organizations out there. Looking for Army-wide stats right now.

[1bad65]

I'm wondering what branch of military service did the Bush girls sign up for!:D

Probably the same one that Carter's kids, Clinton's kid, and John Kerry's kids signed up for. And I'll bet 5:1 that neither of Obama's kids serve as well.

[1bad65]

I hear that the percentage of Hispanic and Blacks are higher but I do not have concrete evidence.

That's never stopped you before from running your mouth.

[Drake]

3rd party research from www.heritage.org.

"We found that recruits tend to come from mid*dle-class areas, with disproportionately fewer from low-income areas. Overall, the income dis*tribution of military enlistees is more similar to than different from the income distribution of the general population."

"We find that, on average, recruits tend to be much more highly educated than the general pub*lic and that this education disparity increased after the war on terrorism began. Comparable detailed education data from the Census classify the educa*tion level of individuals into one of seven categories (from less than high school up to graduate/profes*sional degree). We generated a binary variable that assigns a 1 for individuals with a high school diploma or higher and a 0 for less than a high school diploma."

Funny how this agrees with exactly what I said, and runs directly counter to Hardwork's LIES.

"We found that whites are one of the most pro*portionally represented groups making up 77.4 percent of the population and 75.8 percent of all recruits whereas other racial categories are often represented in noticeably higher and lower propor*tions than the general population."

And to put the final nail in the coffin...

"Put simply, the current makeup of the all-vol*untary military looks like America. Where they are different, the data show that the average sol*dier is slightly better educated and comes from a slightly wealthier, more rural area. We found that the military (and Army specifically) included a higher proportion of blacks and lower propor*tions of other minorities but a proportionate num*ber of whites. More important, we found that recruiting was not drawing disproportionately from racially concentrated areas."

here's the link. http://www.heritage.org/research/nationalsecurity/cda05-08.cfm

But I already knew all of this, so reading it was no surprise. And it should please 1Bad that I see a LOT of soldiers from Texas. Can't count how many times a TX license plate truck cut me off here, though.


So, hardwork... what do you have in response? Sources? Empirical evidence? Or just a bunch of unsubstantiated lies and anti-government propaganda?

[Drake]

That's never stopped you before from running your mouth.

Good thing we DO at least provide some sort of source for our statements. HW and BD just blabber mindlessly, never even bothering to verify what they say.

[1bad65]

You say I publish official lies, when all you do is regurgitate conspiracy theories and paranoia in order to scare people into fearing their government. A government which allows us to bear arms, question our officials, impeach presidents, and if it comes to real tyranny, not fabricated conspiracy theories, overthrow the government. I've busted you out, and all you can do is whine and use phrases like "I was under the impression" or "I saw it on TEEVEE", revealing your complete ignorance in the matter. You think YOU thought up the "9/11 conspiracy"? No, you didn't. You heard about it, it was "controversial", so you latched on to it without even questioning it.

There's no revolution here, because people know you and the sickos who feed you the information, are sad liars who want to provoke the public with garbage. They aren't buying it, so you can go back to practicing your parry and thrust with the rest of your Roman legion.

Once again, very well said.

Notice he quotes some documentary made in the UK. A country that does not have the right to bear arms and who has a royal family supported by the taxpayers. Our system is by no means perfect, but it's alot better than theirs.

[1bad65]

Good thing we DO at least provide some sort of source for our statements. HW and BD just blabber mindlessly, never even bothering to verify what they say.

Once again we agree. ;)

[Drake]

Once again, very well said.

Notice he quotes some documentary made in the UK. A country that does not have the right to bear arms and who has a royal family supported by the taxpayers. Our system is by no means perfect, but it's alot better than theirs.

Well, our forefathers did leave for a reason.

[Dragonzbane76]

sorry mr. carpetbagger didn't know i was up for a spelling B/grammar award on this thread. I'll be sure to spell check for grammar next time, maybe.

anywhoo, oh yeah we all know we are in a contest here with Mr. HW8 so everyone be sure to CARE. lol... HW8 is trying to win the interwebsss, give him a high 5. "your such a douchbag award" will be given to you upon completion. you've already recieved 10 of them i don't know why you would want more? :)

[Dragonzbane76]

Originally Posted by Drake
You say I publish official lies, when all you do is regurgitate conspiracy theories and paranoia in order to scare people into fearing their government. A government which allows us to bear arms, question our officials, impeach presidents, and if it comes to real tyranny, not fabricated conspiracy theories, overthrow the government. I've busted you out, and all you can do is whine and use phrases like "I was under the impression" or "I saw it on TEEVEE", revealing your complete ignorance in the matter. You think YOU thought up the "9/11 conspiracy"? No, you didn't. You heard about it, it was "controversial", so you latched on to it without even questioning it.

There's no revolution here, because people know you and the sickos who feed you the information, are sad liars who want to provoke the public with garbage. They aren't buying it, so you can go back to practicing your parry and thrust with the rest of your Roman legion.

Amen.... great post.

first off Hw8 is not even in this country (us) i don't even know why he sites politics from here when he lives in columbia or somewhere like that.

He's just a crack pot that probably lives in a shed in the middle of the amazon jungle or some such place with a plate, table, computer, and picture of dave ross on his wall. He probably believes that the world is going to end in 2012 because he "heard" about it or saw it on the history channel. You know the 10th planet conspiracy and the council of nibiru crap, he's probably the head of the order. he's a waste of time.

[Hardwork108]

sorry mr. carpetbagger
Not to worry as this is just an internet forum and you are allowed to be weird.....LOL


didn't know i was up for a spelling B/grammar award on this thread. I'll be sure to spell check for grammar next time, maybe.anywhoo, oh yeah we all know we are in a contest here with Mr. HW8 so everyone be sure to CARE. lol... HW8 is trying to win the interwebsss,
No you aren't and I don't usually sight such errors but I thought it was ironic in the light of your comments about me lacking communications skills...LOL

And what is with the "anywhoo"? Is this a new knucklehead slang? LOL


give him a high 5. "your such a douchbag award" will be given to you upon completion. you've already recieved 10 of them i don't know why you would want more? :)

I want more because I am tired of the high 5s I have been getting and I want to get a high 10 douchbag award, just like you do all the time, but I somehow just can't gt your high scores. So I guess you beat me in the douchbad department. I take off my hat to you.:D

[Hardwork108]

Amen....
OH PLEASE...don't go Christian on me...PLEASE!!!!!


great post.
OH PLEASE...don' t go nuts on me either.


first off Hw8 is not even in this country (us)
What do you mean by "us"? Oh I see, you mean the U.S.....LOL


i don't even know why he sites politics from here when he lives in columbia or somewhere like that.
You surely mean Colombia?


He's just a crack pot that probably lives in a shed in the middle of the amazon jungle or some such place with a plate, table,
And you find it surprising that people use plates and tables? LOL


computer,
Wow you have deducted that I have a computer. Wow, that is great. How does it feel to have revelations like that? LOL


and picture of dave ross on his wall.
That is not me but I have a couple of monkeys who live on a tree near my shed and they have a picture of him on their tree house wall, next to a painting of George W. Bush.


He probably believes that the world is going to end in 2012 because he "heard" about it or saw it on the history channel. You know the 10th planet conspiracy and the council of nibiru crap, he's probably the head of the order. he's a waste of time.

Actually, I thought that 2012 was the year of the Olympics but do tell me more about the world ending on that date....LOL:rolleyes:

[Hardwork108]

That's never stopped you before from running your mouth.

Do you actually think that the Iraq war was about freeing the Iraqi civilians from Saddam Hussein's tyranny? Or because of the Weapons of Mass Destruction? Are you that naive?

[Drake]

Do you actually think that the Iraq war was about freeing the Iraqi civilians from Saddam Hussein's tyranny? Or because of the Weapons of Mass Destruction? Are you that naive?

Are you going to back up those assumptions with facts, or simply more assumptions? It's easy to make up a story about evil evil Bush. A child can do that. Back it up, coward.

[Hardwork108]

1.Yes, I am saying that those in the lowest income bracket are usually ineligible to enlist. In fact, 75% of Americans are ineligible to enlist. So yes, I am calling your WRONG. Deal with it.

Let us say that for arguments sake that I am totally wrong. Does that make all the wars and killings right? NOt to mention the stealing of other countries' natural resources?


2. "under the impression" Yes, that would sum up your knowledge pool. You seem to under the impression of a lot of erroneous things. And you are wrong. There are many MANY scholarships available for those simply based on their ethnicity, chosen path of education, and even where they live.
Yet there are recruitment efforts in the lower and poorer levels of society!


3. Most transactions would be impossible without credit. Auto sales, home sales, Ivy League educations, all impossible without credit. Credit, when used responsibly, is one of the greatest enablers of modern commerce. However, you are unable to differentiate between good and bad credit, a SOLID indicator of your ignorance in this matter. But if you can shell out hundreds of thousands of dollars for a home, car and education, more power to you. The rest of the world uses credit and loans. It actually makes the economy healthier, but you can't figure that out without being educated.
You are brainwashed into thinking that credit is a "good thing" by the banks and their servants. Don't you realize that you pay a lot more than things are worth, most of the time? Who benefits when a whole society is under debt? THINK!

I am not talking about a one time debt on buying a house but rather the idea that people are convinced that they can have the best of everything and pay for it later. That means they go above their heads and buy things that they cannot really afford and when one these man made crisis hits, they lose everything and have to hand their assets to, you guessed it, the banks. To add insult to injury, the "government" that is owned by the banks, gives your tax money to them in order to rescue them.LOL

Personally speaking, I don't buy anything if I don't have the money in my pocket to pay for it then and there! However, that has not stopped businesses and BANKS trying to facilitate me falling under debt. If you follow the money train then sooner or later it will lead to the same place the money trail from wars does!


4. It says volumes that you base the American military system off a documentary you saw in the UK. It's wrong, by the way. Why target people who can't join anyway? Huge logical mistake, there, and indicative of someone who knows very VERY little about America.
Why would the American military waste time recruting people who are not recruitable? Do you think that the documentary was fake and that they used English actors with Southern accents to portray US military personnel? LOL

And in the light of your cluelessness about the fact that the Federal Reserve was a private banking cartel and that the American "government" asks them to print dollars and pays interest on those dollars from US citizens' income tax, I cannot take anything you say seriously!!


You say I publish official lies, when all you do is regurgitate conspiracy theories and paranoia in order to scare people into fearing their government. A government which allows us to bear arms,
Believe me that they are trying to take that right away from you as well!

I say that without having any personal issues with responsible people being able to carry them and protect themselves when required.


question our officials, impeach presidents,
When was the last time that a president was impeached? Lets see, George W. Bush seemed to have won his Florida vote through fraud; started an illegal war in Afghanistan and Iraq; presided over the 9-11 "terrorist attack" where there are lots of unanswered questions, to say the least and what has happened? Ziltch has happened!!!!!!


and if it comes to real tyranny, not fabricated conspiracy theories, overthrow the government. I've busted you out, and all you can do is whine and use phrases like "I was under the impression" or "I saw it on TEEVEE", revealing your complete ignorance in the matter. You think YOU thought up the "9/11 conspiracy"?
That is what you don't understand. I knew that it was a conspiracy when I saw it on TV while living in Brazil. Among other things, on the day of the incident a famous civil engineer was interviewed on TV and he said that the buildings could have only been pulled down by human intervention.

Soon after that we heard that apparently some Alcaida people had crossed into Brazil from the Southern boarders just before the attacks. This was no doubt CIA misinformation to get other countries (populations) nervous or involved.

Then we heard that after the planes had incinerated and the building had toppled, somebody had found one of the terrorists' passports....LOL....I am still laughing at that one.

Then it was revealed that a third building in the complex, building 7, had also collapsed in a similar manner to the main towers. However, this building had not been hit by a plane so no doubt it collapsed because of sympathy pains for the other two buildings....LOL

Then we heard that an exact scenrio was being re-enacted as a training exercise by the US military. This involved the hijack of planes by terrorists over US airspace in the same zones that the actual attacks happened..WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF THAT?

On a side note after the 7/7 attacks in London it was revealed that a security exercise was being carried out that mirrored the "terrorist"attacks....Now that is real creepy don't you think? Aren't such exercises the perfect vehicles to get some panzies to be where you want them to be when all hell breaks loose?

Or do you want to brush this off as two unrelated "coincidences".:rolleyes:

Let me go on..........

When George Bush was informed of the attacks his reaction was verging on the retarded. He just carried on reading the story book in that kindergarden. No doubt he wanted to read the end of the story. Perhaps, curiosity got the better of him when the US was under supposed military attack.:rolleyes:

It was also revealed that members of the Bin Ladin family were flowen out of the US when no other air traffic was allowed to function. WHY? Wouldn't you want to question them?

Some people have called into question the reaction time of the US air defenses as compared to their protocols for hijack incidents.

Then we have our middle class "terrorists" that seemed to be fond of drinking and strip clubs. And of course, they seemed to leave Korans behind wherever they went. Didn't they even leave a aircraft flight manual behind in their car. What they took the manuel with them for last minute revision before they boarded the planes, no doubt..."hey Abdul, let have another look, is it the button on the right or the left I need to push to lower altitude?" LOL.

The official story of this whole tragedy is so full of holes that only an idiot would believe it.



No, you didn't. You heard about it, it was "controversial", so you latched on to it without even questioning it.

There's no revolution here, because people know you and the sickos who feed you the information, are sad liars who want to provoke the public with garbage. They aren't buying it, so you can go back to practicing your parry and thrust with the rest of your Roman legion.

Or you can continue screaming nonsense at the top of your lungs, and deal with everyone here mocking you and your insanity.
More dis-information and assumptions. Your country is an imperial power and it is run by a corporate banking elite. You and people like you are there to do the dirty work while they enjoy the profits of the blood you shed.

Look at Vietnam. That is a country that the US could have taken over in short months. However, the war was prolonged because a longer war means more money for the banking cartels and the arms manufacturers. Did it matter that many Vietnamise and Americans perished and were maimed? OF course not. If you are not part of the elite cult it does not matter. All that matterd was that their wealth increased by billions. You need to get real!!!!!

You must also realize that you are like any soldier in that, to the elite, you are just expendable cannon fodder, as they can always recruit more and at the end of the day it does not matter wether they are from lower classes or middle classes, because it seems they do a good job of brainwashing a cross section of society!

HW108

[Hardwork108]

In my unit, we are split right down the middle. We have Asian, Caucasian, African Americans, and people from countries I didn't even know existed. It is still primarily white. It is a very VERY balanced society. It always throws me off when I hear civilians make racial statements, because the Army is one of the most diverse and nonracist organizations out there. Looking for Army-wide stats right now.

Thanks for the info. However, you can speak for your unit and I have no choice to believe you, even if every fabric of my being tells me not to, doubting that if most of your unit were blacks, you would be capable of honestly revealing it here.

However, it does not matter. Thank you for clarifying that at least in regards to your unit.

[Drake]

You didn't back up a single thing you said, and I've already debunked it anyway. Why are you repeating what I've already proven to be a lie from you? You think if you say it enough it'll come true?

[Hardwork108]

Once again, very well said.

Notice he quotes some documentary made in the UK. A country that does not have the right to bear arms and who has a royal family supported by the taxpayers. Our system is by no means perfect, but it's alot better than theirs.

You digress, distract and miss the point. I was not comparing the UK with the USA!

Furthermore, IMHO they are both run by the same corporate banking elements. You should research the basis of the "Special Relationship" between these two countries!

Actually, talking about the royals, some people say that all presidents of the US ( I am not sure about Obama) have been genetically linked to the royal family. Very interesting fact "if" true when you consider the racial diversity of the USA.

[Drake]

You digress, distract and miss the point. I was not comparing the UK with the USA!

Furthermore, IMHO they are both run by the same corporate banking elements. You should research the basis of the "Special Relationship" between these two countries!

Actually, talking about the royals, some people say that all presidents of the US ( I am not sure about Obama) have been genetically linked to the royal family. Very interesting fact "if" true when you consider the racial diversity of the USA.

Source, please. Anything. A reference. Something. It sounds like you are making stuff up as you go along. Seriously. Genetically linked? SERIOUSLY. You've just went from blatant lying to outlandish fairy tales.

See, this is what happens, folks, when you don't have to verify your statements. You can say ANYTHING as fact with absolutely no responsibility to verify anything. You cannot possibly be educated, because proper research should be one of the first things you are taught. You know, validity of sources, or EVEN HAVING SOURCES, PERIOD.

[Hardwork108]

You didn't back up a single thing you said, and I've already debunked it anyway. Why are you repeating what I've already proven to be a lie from you? You think if you say it enough it'll come true?

Again you are lying and being deceitful because you are assuming that no one will read my post because it is too long! LOL

Why don't you give me a shred of evidence that shows that the US went into Iraq and Afghanistan and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people, out of the kindness of its good heart.

Why don't you provide some evidence explaining why the third building that was not hit by a plane imploded on 9-11?

And do you think that being an Islamic terrorist who is willing to die for Allah correlates with going to strip clubs and drinking alcoholic beverages?

What about the 7/7 terrorist who was filmed on CCTV cameras buying food in a MC Donald's restaurant. Just the thing an American hating "terrorist" would do before killing himself for Allah. Or have Mc Donalds started serving Hallal hamburgers?:confused:

The more you ignore these facts and continue to diverting the issues with lies and relatively irrelevant details the more you come out looking like you are hiding something!!!

[Hardwork108]

Source, please. Anything. A reference. Something. It sounds like you are making stuff up as you go along. Seriously. Genetically linked? SERIOUSLY. You've just went from blatant lying to outlandish fairy tales.

I did not lie. I said that "some people believe that ...."

Here is the proof of that fact according to this book:

http://hubpages.com/hub/Nearly-all-US-Presidents-are-descendant-from-the-British-and-French-Royal-Families


See, this is what happens, folks, when you don't have to verify your statements. You can say ANYTHING as fact with absolutely no responsibility to verify anything. You cannot possibly be educated, because proper research should be one of the first things you are taught. You know, validity of sources, or EVEN HAVING SOURCES PERIOD.

You LIE, LIE and repeat the LIE. Most of what I said has been on the news...LOL

Why don't you answer the questions in my previous posts. Are you nervous now that your CO might see you putting your foot in it in a public forum??????

[Hardwork108]

Here is a reference to the (third) building 7 collapse on 9-11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZaeqQj5UHE

Read this video poster's full comments on the right hand side of the screen!

[mawali]

It's the truth!

Majority of US presidents are all related to (British. French and German royal families) albeit far removed (8th, 9th 10th cousins) but the link is there!
The recent English monarchy are all German (Battenberg and descendants of Queen Victoria) but due to the WW2 war effort, it would look bad with Germans being the nominal monarchial leaders!

[BoulderDawg]

Source, please. Anything. A reference. Something. It sounds like you are making stuff up as you go along. Seriously. Genetically linked? SERIOUSLY. You've just went from blatant lying to outlandish fairy tales.

See, this is what happens, folks, when you don't have to verify your statements. You can say ANYTHING as fact with absolutely no responsibility to verify anything. You cannot possibly be educated, because proper research should be one of the first things you are taught. You know, validity of sources, or EVEN HAVING SOURCES, PERIOD.

I didn't see you backing up any of the statements you made. Where your links?

All I saw from you were hateful words that seem to drip with vemon. Why are you so angry?

I too have also heard of the US Presidents/monarchy link.

[Hardwork108]

Here are some of your questions answered as far as 9-11 is concerned:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFitVucjf9w

Here is a Japanese documentary about 9-11 that asks some interesting questions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEimCGjEmr8&feature=related

And this is really interesting. That guy in the video wasn't you, Drake, by any chance, was it? LOL :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEgHU6pS-tg

[Hardwork108]

It's the truth!

Majority of US presidents are all related to (British. French and German royal families) albeit far removed (8th, 9th 10th cousins) but the link is there!
The recent English monarchy are all German (Battenberg and descendants of Queen Victoria) but due to the WW2 war effort, it would look bad with Germans being the nominal monarchial leaders!

It is interesting how the elite of the Western world share the same blood lines.;)


It is definitely strange, specially when one considers how multi racial the US is. So what goes? Are the main share holders (owners) of the Federal Reserve of the same blood lines as the American presidents? Actually, who are the (unelected) owners of the private banking cartel known as the Federal Reserve that wields so much power and influence on the day to day lives of "free" Americans? Has anyone asked? Are you allowed to ask?

Interesting questions........

[Dragonzbane76]

Again you are lying and being deceitful because you are assuming that no one will read my post because it is too long! LOL

well of course it's all a repeat. sorry didn't read your long a$$ post, don't have the time to bring myself down to that lower lvl. I caught this tidbit scanning mostly. you keep those long posts coming mr. carpetbagger. I like wasting your time, its fun. :p

[1bad65]

Drake,

Here are some interesting statistics from the Vietnem War in relation to the racial makeup, sourced of course. ;)

There was some opposition to the draft even before the major U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War. The large cohort of Baby Boomers who became eligible for military service during the Vietnam War also meant a steep increase in the number of exemptions and deferments, especially for college and graduate students. This was the source of considerable resentment among poor and working class young men including African-Americans - who could not afford college. Large groups of draftees publicly burned draft cards. Of all the service members who served in Vietnam, 10.6% were black, 88.4% were Caucasian (including Hispanics) and 1% other. At the time, Blacks represented 12.5% of the total U.S. population and 13.5% of the military age cohort, so they were significantly under represented in the war zone. Casualty data shows 86.8% of those killed in action were Caucasian, while 12.1% were Black. Although slightly higher than the proportion serving in combat, it was significantly below the Black military age cohort in the general population at the time.

Source: Combat Area Casualty File of 11/93 (CACF1193), and The Adjutant General's Center (TAGCEN) file of 1981.

http://history-world.org/vietnam_war_statistics.htm

[BoulderDawg]

Several things here:

To start with all I see is some right wing link throwing out a bunch of numbers. The source is vague. One just has to read that garbage to see how slanted it is.

Also, lets say those numbers are correct. What does statistics from a war fought 40 years ago have to do with the racial makeup of the military?

[1bad65]

To start with all I see is some right wing link throwing out a bunch of numbers. The source is vague. One just has to read that garbage to see how slanted it is.

Are you retarded or can you just not read?

"Source: Combat Area Casualty File of 11/93 (CACF1193), and The Adjutant General's Center (TAGCEN) file of 1981."

How in the world is this "some right wing link throwing out a bunch of numbers"? It's US Government records you imbecile.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Also, lets say those numbers are correct. What does statistics from a war fought 40 years ago have to do with the racial makeup of the military?

I think his point was that it is a common misconception that more visible minorities went and died in Nam, which is not the case.

[Drake]

He was simply reinforcing my point, showing how even then, HW's erroneous posts were still wrong.

BD can't even figure that out. He should kill himself.

[BoulderDawg]

Are you retarded or can you just not read?

"Source: Combat Area Casualty File of 11/93 (CACF1193), and The Adjutant General's Center (TAGCEN) file of 1981."

How in the world is this "some right wing link throwing out a bunch of numbers"? It's US Government records you imbecile.

Ah yes, that didn't take long. The tried and true tactic of neo argument comes through.:D

Notice that liberals don't have to insult and name call to get their point across.

[Drake]

So teabagger is just a figure of speech? Or personal attacks against children of political opponents? Hypocrite.

[BoulderDawg]

So teabagger is just a figure of speech? Or personal attacks against children of political opponents? Hypocrite.


With you this board has become personal. Others have let the board control their emotions too but not to the extent that you have. I see a rage in your words that's down right scary.

[Drake]

Actually, I'm joking with another officer about mistakes made in understanding other cultures and how it transfers to writings and presentations. I know you want me to be angry, but this conversation is simply too funny, and you are simply too insignificant.

You just keep failing over and over again...

[Hardwork108]

He was simply reinforcing my point, showing how even then, HW's erroneous posts were still wrong.

Again, you keep using your, "LIE enough times and people will believe you" policy.

You have failed to address the references provided.

As far as the racial mixture of the US military is concerned then I have indicated that I don't know either way and that is why I asked you to clarify it and you kindly did for your own unit. At the end of the day even that does not matter as the orders come from above and I mean above even the military and the Commander in Chief, meaning the very few corporate banking families that run the US. Your president is nothing but a selected (by them and not the people) company president, taking care of their interests!


BD can't even figure that out. He should kill himself.
Yes I know, everyone who is out of your shooting range should kill themselves. And it is people like you who are employed to protect the American population?:rolleyes:

[Hardwork108]

Actually, I'm joking with another officer
Humor in the military? Now that can't be bad.......


about mistakes made in understanding other cultures and how it transfers to writings and presentations.
NOt to mention wars and massacres........???


I know you want me to be angry,
None of us want you to be angry. IT seems that whenever people like you are angry other human beings end up getting shot and bombed to death, or at least asked politely to kill themselves...LOL


but this conversation is simply too funny, and you are simply too insignificant.
Of course it is. After all we are only discussing the funny subject of the US government massacring its own citizens and using that excuse to take the freedoms of those very citizens away while waging an unjust "war on terrorism" where hundreds of thousands of innocents are killed. Yes, it is really "funny"!:rolleyes:

[Drake]

With nothing to back up your outlandish statements, it really comes off as hot air. Lengthy replies do not make your statements any less untrue. But I'm sure "you believe" otherwise, because you were "under the impression" that what you said was true.

I give official reports... you give youtube links. I wonder who is more credible here? Why not one-up yourself and post a wikipedia link next? Or maybe a Facebook page? Since, if it's on the internetz, it MUST be true!

[1bad65]

Speaking of the military, lets take a look at the draft.

In 2003, several Democratic congressmen (Charles Rangel of New York, James McDermott of Washington, John Conyers of Michigan, John Lewis of Georgia, Pete Stark of California, Neil Abercrombie of Hawaii) introduced legislation that would draft both men and women into either military or civilian government service, should there be a draft in the future.

In November 2006, Representative Charles Rangel again called for the draft to be reinstated.

So, the political party who wants to FORCE men and women to have to go fight is the Democrats. And you two fools said the Republicans were the warmongers.

As a footnote, more men were drafted during LBJ's time in office than any other President who served during the Vietnam War. Johnson was a Democrat. And the draft during Vietnam was started under JFK, another Democrat.

[BoulderDawg]

A draft suits me....as long as it's fair. However there is very little chance of that. The modern day Cheneys and Bushs will of course have Daddy to interfere if any one even suggest that sonny boy be drafted.

I think a draft is good. If your number comes up you have to serve two years in the military or an organization like the Peace Corp.

[1bad65]

A draft suits me....as long as it's fair.

Your hypocracy (and stupidity) knows no bounds.

[1bad65]

My personal value systems would not allow me to take a part in Bush's war. If it came down to it I would sit in jail before I would go to Iraq.


A draft suits me....as long as it's fair.

I think a draft is good.

You make it all too easy.

[BoulderDawg]

Your hypocracy (and stupidity) knows no bounds.


When conforted with a real argument this is what you resort to....no surprise.

Hardly hypocritical. Notice my draft is NOT for military only.

If you're a gun toting, wife beating teabagging redneck then by all means spend your two years in the military. However if your a peace loving, kind to everyone liberal give your time to public service helping others. I think it might do a young man/woman well to spend two years on something like an indian reservation to help make our world a little better.

[1bad65]

Hardly hypocritical. Notice my draft is NOT for military only.

It's not YOUR draft that counts. It's the draft that the Democrats tried to enact that you would have had to abide by.


If you're a gun toting, wife beating teabagging redneck then by all means spend your two years in the military.

But if you're a gun toting, wife beating plagiarist you are a hero to BD.

[1bad65]

When conforted with a real argument this is what you resort to....no surprise.

What did I resort too that has your panties in a bunch? Was it the fact that I sourced my allegations? Or the fact I used your own words against you? ;)

Maybe I should just be like you and resort to launching personal attacks on the children of people I disagree with.

[BoulderDawg]

Maybe I should just be like you and resort to launching personal attacks on the children of people I disagree with.

As mentioned before, the difference being is that the Palins are public figures. I doubt seriously Willow Palin comes to this board....she probably off doing other things!:D

The same with Ward Churchill. He's a friend of mine but I have to remember that he is also a public figure.

However you and your buddies attacks are directly made to other posters on the board. I don't need to insult to get my argument across. I guess that's the difference between Liberals and teabaggers.

[Drake]

Fairness would also include the distinct possibility that you won't have a choice between civilian or military service. If the civilian side has met its quota, then fairly, you'll only have military service left as an option. And seeing as you support the whole mess, it'd be hilarious irony. ESPECIALLY if I was your CO. However, people like you are the exact reason I oppose a draft. I don't want you in my unit, or in my Army. If anything, the idea of you being drafted is an excellent argument supporting the all volunteer Army. We only want qualified individuals who want to be here.

Besides... you'd likely fail your physical fitness test, which would create another headache.

[Hardwork108]

With nothing to back up your outlandish statements, it really comes off as hot air.
Yes, do keep repeating the LIES so that the more naive readers will believe you...


Lengthy replies do not make your statements any less untrue. But I'm sure "you believe" otherwise, because you were "under the impression" that what you said was true.
Yes, more disinformation and deceit aimed at character assassination.......


I give official reports...
Official reports? Like the one that said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? That connected Saddam Hussain to Al Qaida? That the US forces were in Iraq to save the Iraqui people from their dictator? Like Bin Ladin was behind the 9-11 tragedy.

I got news for you (but you know already!) The American people have been lied to by their "official reports" for decades!!!!!


you give youtube links
AND? There are plenty of your "official reports" on Youtube as well....LOL


I wonder who is more credible here?
I and most of the world population by now, know that your "Official Reports" are as credible as little green men from planet Saturn...LOL


Why not one-up yourself and post a wikipedia link next? Or maybe a Facebook page? Since, if it's on the internetz, it MUST be true!
Well, you are also on the internet....LOL

Because of heavy censorship many researchers into world affairs use the internet to provide information. The internet is full of your "official reports" as well, if you have not noticed....:rolleyes:

So lets see, you try to discredit my observations through constant repeat of lies (a popular propaganda tactic in the wider media (see "there are Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, repeated endlessly to convince the simpletons in the population), you go on to character assassinate Youtube and the internet at large.

Drake your protection of the long discredited "Official" version of events is very TRANSPARENT!

[Drake]

As mentioned before, the difference being is that the Palins are public figures. I doubt seriously Willow Palin comes to this board....she probably off doing other things!:D

The same with Ward Churchill. He's a friend of mine but I have to remember that he is also a public figure.

However you and your buddies attacks are directly made to other posters on the board. I don't need to insult to get my argument across. I guess that's the difference between Liberals and teabaggers.

Well...it IS a fact that he beat his wife, and it IS a fact that he plagiarized other people's work. That's not an attack. That's stating the facts.

[BoulderDawg]

Well...it IS a fact that he beat his wife, and it IS a fact that he plagiarized other people's work. That's not an attack. That's stating the facts.


So? It won't bother me if you go out on the street corner and yell that to the top of your lungs all day long.:p

[Drake]

Yes, do keep repeating the LIES so that the more naive readers will believe you...


Yes, more disinformation and deceit aimed at character assassination.......


Official reports? Like the one that said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? That connected Saddam Hussain to Al Qaida? That the US forces were in Iraq to save the Iraqui people from their dictator? Like Bin Ladin was behind the 9-11 tragedy.

I got news for you (but you know already!) The American people have been lied to by their "official reports" for decades!!!!!


AND? There are plenty of your "official reports" on Youtube as well....LOL


I and most of the world population by now, know that your "Official Reports" are as credible as little green men from planet Saturn...LOL


Well, you are also on the internet....LOL

Because of heavy censorship many researchers into world affairs use the internet to provide information. The internet is full of your "official reports" as well, if you have not noticed....:rolleyes:

So lets see, you try to discredit my observations through constant repeat of lies (a popular propaganda tactic in the wider media (see "there are Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, repeated endlessly to convince the simpletons in the population), you go on to character assassinate Youtube and the internet at large.

Drake your protection of the long discredited "Official" version of events is very TRANSPARENT!

You moron. I referenced a 3rd party report from a respected, non-biased organization. However, since you think I was posting youtube links, which I don't, you are showing me what a waste of time it is even having this discussion, because you don't even read what I write. You just cut and paste it and throw up some completely irrelevant topic. I have no, NONE, ZERO reports from myself on here. These are all based on something you may not be familiar with. Impartial, fair, VERIFIED discussions based on EMPIRICAL data. Not just some crap you dug up on youtube. EPIC fail, HW.

The reports on Saddam's WMD program? Did you ever read them? I'm willing to bet you haven't. because you missed the part where Saddam ADMITTED to tricking us into thinking his program was much further along, to protect him from Iran and a US invasion. Yeah, you missed that because it wasn't on youtube.

I'm done responding to you, because you have once again proven your inability to defend your points, and all you can do is parrot the same thing, over and over again. It's boring and poor discussion. You have failed, HW. Have a nice day.

[1bad65]

Speaking of being fair BD, how about this...

The Democrats have exempted themselves from the proposed healthcare plan that the rest of us will be FORCED to abide by if it passes. Is that fair?

[1bad65]

As mentioned before, the difference being is that the Palins are public figures. I doubt seriously Willow Palin comes to this board....she probably off doing other things!:D

I guess that's the difference between Liberals and teabaggers.

These "teabaggers" you speak of, they are just average American taxpayers. They are not public figures. So why are you still calling them names?

[1bad65]

Well...it IS a fact that he beat his wife, and it IS a fact that he plagiarized other people's work. That's not an attack. That's stating the facts.

LMAO at you zinging him yet again. :D

And he lied about his military service. And he lied about his ethnicity. Don't forget those facts as well!

[Hardwork108]

You moron.
:confused:


I referenced a 3rd party report from a respected, non-biased organization.
I believe that the world at large have been accustomed to your none biased official reports from government sources. LOL


However, since you think I was posting youtube links, which I don't,
No one said that you post youtube links, so stop your slandering!

I merely pointed out that a lot of your "official" version of events are also present in Youtube links!


you are showing me what a waste of time it is even having this discussion, because you don't even read what I write.
Again, you LIE!

I do read what you write but you don't like the responses that you get. They make you nervous and uncomfortable because they show the system for which you work for, to be a great sham (and scam)!


You just cut and paste it and throw up some completely irrelevant topic.
More LIES just to discredit what I say. I imagine you sweating behind your keyboard....


I have no, NONE, ZERO reports from myself on here. These are all based on something you may not be familiar with. Impartial, fair, VERIFIED discussions based on EMPIRICAL data. Not just some crap you dug up on youtube. EPIC fail, HW.
And more "cover your @ss" comments from Drake. Your and the UK governments have been lying through their teeth regarding 9-11, 7/7, Iraq war, Afghanistan war, "the war on drugs" and many other things. For the most part they have used your precious "official" and "verifiable" sources and data to commit mass murder and pillage sovereign nations. Yes, keep on ignoring the mass murders and pillages. We all know that the US and UK are in Iraq out of the kindness of their hearts...:rolleyes:


The reports on Saddam's WMD program? Did you ever read them? I'm willing to bet you haven't. because you missed the part where Saddam ADMITTED to tricking us into thinking his program was much further along, to protect him from Iran and a US invasion. Yeah, you missed that because it wasn't on youtube.
I may have missed it because I did not see on the news either....LOL

Even if what you say is true, do you mean that the great US and its CIA, MIA and NSA fell for some knuckklehead dictator's "trick"? LOL

I remind you that the US and the UK had been on Iraqi soil for years and they were apparently looking, actively, for these Chemical Weapons. So again, our friend Saddam, tricked the CIA, MIA, NSA, MI6 and most probably the Israeli Intelligence while they were all there for best part of a decade looking for those weapons??? LOL.

We cannot forget that one of the inspectors/searchers for those weapons had said that all reports regarding such weapons had been "sexed up". Not long after his report, he was found dead, apparently he had committed suicide. I mean who would kill him? NOt the Western Intelligence agencies of course, because we all know that they are a bunch of great human beings. Don't believe me? Then just ask any Iraqui or Afghani citizen. Still unconvinceds? Then take a trip to El Salvador or Nicaragua. Still unconvinced, then go down to Brazil, Chile or Argentina whose DEMOCRATICALLY elected governments were overthrown by the US (and other) security services resuting in decades of human rights abuses and suffering while many in the West hypocritically,called these countries "Banana Republics"!


I'm done responding to you,
That is because you have nothing to respond. You are part of an evil mindset that has caused untold damage and suffering to innocent human beings and that it has justified all the carnage with "official" reports; "verifiable" statistics and other lies and mind games.



because you have once again proven your inability to defend your points, and all you can do is parrot the same thing, over and over again. It's boring and poor discussion. You have failed, HW. Have a nice day.

Keep spreading disinformation. As I told you before, if you are going to discredit valid information then you need to be more subtle. Or don't they teach you anything at Military Intelligence.....?

[Hardwork108]

Speaking of being fair BD, how about this...

The Democrats have exempted themselves from the proposed healthcare plan that the rest of us will be FORCED to abide by if it passes. Is that fair?

What you don't get is that while you are in your little world of "Democrats this" and "Republicans that", is that they are different faces of the SAME ENTITY! They members belong to the same political organizations (outside their main "parties") and they belong to same Masonic lodges and so on....

Democracy is just a game of role play where the masses are led to believe that they have an actual say in their destiny. It is all the same. Obama is carrying out the same agenda that his predecessor George W "the village idiot"Bush was part of.

Why are you guys so blind!!!!!!!!

[1bad65]

Wow HW, all that typing and not a single point sourced.

[Hardwork108]

Wow HW, all that typing and not a single point sourced.

What I have said is common knowledge. If you want to investigate further - and you should - then do so. Find out membership details of the Council on Foreign Relations; The Trilateral Commission, and the Royal Institute of International Affairs(in the UK). All these Eco/political bodies have long term goals for the planet, independent of who is in power in which country. They have members from all of the political spectrum.

Check it out for yourself if you dare as I am not your secretary. Do some reading!!!!

[1bad65]

So you are trying to state your cause/beliefs, yet when pressed for details, specifics, and proof, your attitude is 'look it up yourself'. Whatever :rolleyes:

[Hardwork108]

So you are trying to state your cause/beliefs, yet when pressed for details, specifics, and proof, your attitude is 'look it up yourself'. Whatever :rolleyes:

OK then, don't look!

The truth remains the same wether you look for it or not, except that sometimes it is better to find it before it finds and bites you in the @ss!!!

[BoulderDawg]

Fairness would also include the distinct possibility that you won't have a choice between civilian or military service. If the civilian side has met its quota, then fairly, you'll only have military service left as an option. And seeing as you support the whole mess, it'd be hilarious irony. ESPECIALLY if I was your CO.

No doubt. If you're as petty in real life as you are on this board I'm fairly certain I would have an extremely hard time. I have no idea what you when you play army (other than post on this board) but there's a good chance it has nothing to do with leading men. You're just not cut out for it. Not only that you have some sort of inner demons eating away at you.

[1bad65]

You said this in realtion to the draft being "fair":


A draft suits me....as long as it's fair. However there is very little chance of that. The modern day Cheneys and Bushs will of course have Daddy to interfere if any one even suggest that sonny boy be drafted.

So I asked you to answer this question:


Speaking of being fair BD, how about this...

The Democrats have exempted themselves from the proposed healthcare plan that the rest of us will be FORCED to abide by if it passes. Is that fair?

Can you please answer it. I really want to know if you consider the proposed healthcare bill "fair" since those in power will be exempting themselves from it.

[BoulderDawg]

Are you dense?

I've already said I don't have serious discussions with people who namecall and disrespect.

Why don't you continue your talk about Ward?

[1bad65]

Are you dense?

So you're ducking the question. I expected that from you, so I'm not surprised. I knew you didn't have the guts to answer it. If you could have answered it and not looked like a hypocrite, you would have. :D

[BoulderDawg]

So you're ducking the question. I expected that from you, so I'm not surprised. I knew you didn't have the guts to answer it. If you could have answered it and not looked like a hypocrite, you would have. :D


Now that's more of the comments you should be making.

Leave any real debate to the adults!

[1bad65]

Now that's more of the comments you should be making.

Leave any real debate to the adults!

By real debate do you mean the way we do it now? Like me and Drake have to continuously source our allegations, but you don't because we pointed out your wife-beating buddy is indeed your wife-beating buddy?

By real adults, do you mean guys like you that launch personal attacks on people's children?

[1bad65]

Even if you don't answer it, everyone can see your hypocracy. You said the draft isnt "fair" because those in power don't have to abide by it, yet you want this healthcare bill to pass that those in power won't have to abide by.

[Drake]

Hehehe... I'm now the OIC for the upcoming sniper school ranges. SVEEEEEET!

[1bad65]

Hehehe... I'm now the OIC for the upcoming sniper school ranges. SVEEEEEET!

Congrats. I hope you enjoy it.

[Drake]

Congrats. I hope you enjoy it.

I will, though I am curious why they picked me over an infantry officer to do this.

[1bad65]

I will, though I am curious why they picked me over an infantry officer to do this.

I'm sure it has something to do with the global conspiracy HW is speaking of. ;)

[Drake]

I'm sure it has something to do with the global conspiracy HW is speaking of. ;)

Any my connections with the TSA, which makes absolutely no sense. I am the tactical intel officer for an infantry battalion, and somehow I have contacts in the TSA?

[Hardwork108]

I will, though I am curious why they picked me over an infantry officer to do this.
Perhaps the infantry officer does not jump as high as you when ordered to? You are good soldier, I keep tellin' ya!!!

[Hardwork108]

Any my connections with the TSA, which makes absolutely no sense. I am the tactical intel officer for an infantry battalion, and somehow I have contacts in the TSA?
Becareful, they could be grooming you for something.......

[1bad65]

Becareful, they could be grooming you for something.......

Yeah, like a promotion at his job. He has a real job that I'm sure pays him well. What do you do besides LARP?

[Hardwork108]

Yeah, like a promotion at his job. He has a real job
MIlions of people have real jobs without having given their minds to others whose only purpose in life is to serve and protect the, not so easy to see, elite corporate families.



that I'm sure pays him well. What do you do besides LARP?

i work for myself, thank you very much.

You really need to see the bigger picture because you will never see the truth living in a compartementalzed world that is designed to keep the masses ignorant.

Like I said before, political parties and their "differences" and the resultant debates and conflicts are just illusions. The US is a one party state and so are many other so called democracies. It is not that difficult to connect the dots, if you start thinking for yourself.

So stop it with your "Democrats this and Republicans that" cr@p as any "differences" between the two are superficial. WAKE UP!

[dimethylsea]

It's so funny that the terrorists who work for Blackwater get the protections (quite rightly) of due process and freedom from self-incrimination...


but the Neo-Con Warhawks can't bear the thought of terrorists who DON'T work for us getting anything like the same just and lawful judicial process.