Another Democrat Senator shown to be a racist

[1bad65]

"Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid apologized Saturday for making racially insensitive remarks about Barack Obama during the presidential campaign.

Journalists Mark Halperin and John Heilemann reported the remarks in their new book, "Game Change," which is scheduled to be in bookstores Tuesday.

The authors quote Reid as saying privately that Obama, as a black candidate, could be successful thanks, in part, to his "light-skinned" appearance and speaking patterns "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."

"He [Reid] was wowed by Obama's oratorical gifts and believed that the country was ready to embrace a black presidential candidate, especially one such as Obama -- a 'light-skinned' African American 'with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one,' " Halperin and Heilemann say.

"Reid was convinced, in fact, that Obama's race would help him more than hurt him in a bid for the Democratic nomination," they write.

In a statement to CNN, Reid said, "I deeply regret using such a poor choice of words."

"I sincerely apologize for offending any and all Americans, especially African Americans for my improper comments."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/09/obama.reid/index.html

Let's see if the guys who jumped on Rush Limbaugh for racist comments he never even made will condemn these racist remarks and call Reid a racist like they did to Rush. MasterKiller and BoulderDawg, this means you guys. ;)

I'm sure Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton sure as heck won't. :rolleyes:

[Drake]

I for one condemn the remarks. Wtf was he thinking? This is one spot the dems deserve to lose. There's no room for it in modern government.

[BoulderDawg]

Let's see if the guys who jumped on Rush Limbaugh for racist comments he never even made will condemn these racist remarks and call Reid a racist like they did to Rush. MasterKiller and BoulderDawg, this means you guys. ;)


Really? I guess you have proof I jumped on Limby for comments he never made. The truth is that I don't have too. There are plenty of things he has said.

Well guess what? Obama is light skinned and does not speak with a negro dialect....shocking isn't it!:eek: I mean to actually tell the truth about someone concerning his race!

Yell this to the rafters as far as I'm concerned. The only ones that seem offended by it are the neo teagbaggers. Most black people are not outraged or concerned about it. However the one thing that does upset them a great deal is to have white racists tell them what they should be offended about.:D

[dimethylsea]

I for one condemn the remarks. Wtf was he thinking? This is one spot the dems deserve to lose. There's no room for it in modern government.

There is absolutely no reason to believe Reid was talking about his own personal feelings on race, but rather was making a very realistic and cynical analysis of the American public's view on race.


Let's face it.. we got one of the smartest presidents in decades precisely *because* he is black. A white guy who was as smart and articulate as Obama is would be fighting the perception of "an intellectual elitist". Look at "folksy doksy" Sarah Palin. Or Dubya come to that.

Because Obama is darker than middle America he was able to cast his educational achievements as "the American dream made manifest". If he were a white guy he'd have to find another angle to downplay (rather than emphasize) his intellectual abilities in order to appeal to the electorate that finds powerful minds intimidating.

Reid made those comments in private and not only was he not wrong to do so, he was spot on.

If Obama fit the typical stereotype of a West African/Caucasian mix whose ancestors had been here since slavery days and spoke like Jesse Jackson would he have been nearly as electable? No. Not even. Too many rednecks in middle America fearing "that there n**ger runnin' fer President".

If he were a WASP he would come off like Gore (hey guys! Mr. Spock is running for President!).

We got a very very smart Pres elected this last election precisely because he was "black enough, but not TOO black". Reid did nothing more than say (in private) what most clear-eyed political junkies know is true.

I voted for him, and was glad to get an opportunity to vote for a quality mind, unlike Dubya or someone who would put an idiot like Palin on his ticket.

[Drake]

Why not explain what negro dialect is, then? How is it negroes are expected to talk, then, seeing as Obama doesn't use it? Bill Cosby? Is that negro dialect? Colin Powell? Is that negro dialect? PLEASE explain to me what negro dialect is. Racist.

Well, fortunately Sen Reid, for the brief remainder of his now sunk career, will not have to worry about people who are too dark ruining his party's prospects.

BD, you are a racist, and in a permanent state of denial about it.

[dimethylsea]

Why not explain what negro dialect is, then? How is it negroes are expected to talk, then, seeing as Obama doesn't use it? Bill Cosby? Is that negro dialect? Colin Powell? Is that negro dialect? PLEASE explain to me what negro dialect is. Racist.


Horse hooey! The "Negro Dialect" is basically a Southern American accent when spoken by someone who looks black. The "Negro Dialect" is how *I* talk when I'm feeling maudlin or drinking a bit (and I'm white).. because.. hey.. I'm from Tennessee.

Martin Luther King. Jesse Jackson. All classic examples of that accent. I love listening to an articulate example of that accent precisely because it's "home-like".

If you want an example of "Negro Dialect" and how Obama can "turn it on" when he wants (like one would expect from a skilled orator).. check out this clip..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv6EAaoFNno

The "oops I slipped" moments.. lovely work.

[BoulderDawg]

Martin Luther King. Jesse Jackson. All classic examples of that accent. I love listening to an articulate example of that accent precisely because it's "home-like".

Sho nuff!!!!!!

[BoulderDawg]

I remember being in grad school at Georgia State University. I was walking to class and this very old black guy came up to ask for directions. He had a very strong dialect that I could barely understand even though I had lived in the south all of my life....."Gots ta see mah chillins"......I want to see my children.

I remember thinking, after I gave the guy directions, that the same white cracker power structure in the south that would laugh at this guy is also the same one that probably denied him an education growing up.

[mawali]

That kind of speech is representative of a certain type of speech pattern/accent/class of those originally form the South!
It only tells you the type of individuals Reed is accustomed to associate with in his past so his assumption were that anyone who is "black" according to the USA census directive(s) version, automatically uses a "negro dialect".

[Drake]

I remember being in grad school at Georgia State University. I was walking to class and this very old black guy came up to ask for directions. He had a very strong dialect that I could barely understand even though I had lived in the south all of my life....."Gots ta see mah chillins"......I want to see my children.

I remember thinking, after I gave the guy directions, that the same white cracker power structure in the south that would laugh at this guy is also the same one that probably denied him an education growing up.

It's a southern accent, moron. They all talk like that.

[dimethylsea]

It's a southern accent, moron. They all talk like that.


The more educated a Southerner is.. the more likely it is that they will be able to drop the accent or modify it to something less "country" and neutral/Mid-western/Standard.

Ebonics (so-called) is part of the cultural heritage of Africa-Americans and many people not of color speak in a similar fashion down he'ah. :D

Similarly lots of blacks who migrated northwards for economic opportunity and less prejudicial environments were still somewhat segregated in their neighborhoods and kept the accent as they moved north, even though it might be generations since their families lived in the South.

Double negatives, swallowing one's "Rs" and other things are the way we (southerners) talk, and it's also often the way black folk (a generation ago we'd say "colored folks") talk depending on their personal preference, educational level, and degree of emotional sympathy with certain parts of African-American history and culture.

The fact that Obama is "black" but doesn't have that "Southern" feel (unless he wants to) helped him out ALOT in the elections.

It's alot easier to vote for someone if they don't ring the guilt/fear meter to ten when they speak.

All Reid did was discuss the issue in private candidly. The only reason he's apologizing is because it's politically neccessary. I doubt Obama gives a rat's ass. He's a intellectual and a technocrat.

[Luk Hop]

............... He's a intellectual and a technocrat.


Thank you for the entertaining read. You hypothetically assume that Obama is an intellectual technocrat.

He is apparently a very intellectual person concerning the long sought after but never achieved utopian society that technocrats like him are constantly dreaming of.


http://www.merriam-webster.com/

Main Entry: 1uto·pi·an
Pronunciation: \-pē-ən\
Function: adjective
Usage: often capitalized
Date: 1551
1 : of, relating to, or having the characteristics of a utopia; especially : having impossibly ideal conditions especially of social organization
2 : proposing or advocating impractically ideal social and political schemes <utopian idealists>
3 : impossibly ideal : visionary <recognised the utopian nature of his hopes — C. S. Kilby>
4 : believing in, advocating, or having the characteristics of utopian socialism <utopian doctrines> <utopian novels>


Main Entry: tech·no·crat
Pronunciation: \ˈtek-nə-ˌkrat\
Function: noun
Date: 1932
1 : an adherent of technocracy
2 : a technical expert; especially : one exercising managerial authority


Is this an example of Obama's extraordinary intellectual prowess as a technocrat that you speak of?

Obama's Green Jobs Program: $135,294 Per Job

http://blogs.investors.com/capitalhill/index.php/home/35-politics/1136-obamas-green-jobs-program-135294-per-job


"......Yes, but getting these jobs is burning a hole in the national wallet. The problem is that even advocates like Obama concede that these programs are not very cost-effective in creating jobs.

Obama says the grants will create 17,000 cleantech jobs. Well, get out your calculator. $2.3 billion for 17,000 jobs equals $135,294 per job. (And that’s not including the eventual interest on this deficit spending). Those green jobs had better pay well over six figures to justify that expense.

Not to worry, the administration has a plan to solve this, too. It wants Congress to approve another $5 billion for “tens of thousands” more green jobs...."



I suppose time will tell. However, is not time telling us such when we use the Obama administration's own time-line for the effectiveness of such an intellectual technocracy as is being currently displayed?



.".....The announcement was rather obviously timed to counter the news that the nation lost 85,000 jobs last month and the unemployment rate stayed at 10% — bad news for an administration that once promised to hold unemployment to 8% by the end of 2009......."

[Drake]

The more educated a Southerner is.. the more likely it is that they will be able to drop the accent or modify it to something less "country" and neutral/Mid-western/Standard.

Ebonics (so-called) is part of the cultural heritage of Africa-Americans and many people not of color speak in a similar fashion down he'ah. :D

Similarly lots of blacks who migrated northwards for economic opportunity and less prejudicial environments were still somewhat segregated in their neighborhoods and kept the accent as they moved north, even though it might be generations since their families lived in the South.

Double negatives, swallowing one's "Rs" and other things are the way we (southerners) talk, and it's also often the way black folk (a generation ago we'd say "colored folks") talk depending on their personal preference, educational level, and degree of emotional sympathy with certain parts of African-American history and culture.

The fact that Obama is "black" but doesn't have that "Southern" feel (unless he wants to) helped him out ALOT in the elections.

It's alot easier to vote for someone if they don't ring the guilt/fear meter to ten when they speak.

All Reid did was discuss the issue in private candidly. The only reason he's apologizing is because it's politically neccessary. I doubt Obama gives a rat's ass. He's a intellectual and a technocrat.

Again, I hear it from blacks, whites, and asians. So why is it a negro dialect if it comes from the south? Saying negro dialect implies all black people speak a certain way, and unless you live in a bubble, like Reid apparently does, you cannot say that is true. Based on where they are from, I normally hear black people speak the dialect of where they are from.

To say there even is such thing a negro dialect is inherently racist, especially expressing it as a negative trait. Maybe he should also be glad Obama doesn't have negro lips? See where I'm going with this? It's racism.

[dimethylsea]

Again, I hear it from blacks, whites, and asians. So why is it a negro dialect if it comes from the south?

Because it's an integral part of African-American culture. It's woven into the Black church, into the style of preaching which in turn helped give rise to the oratory of the civil rights movement. It comes FROM the South, but when white Southerners moved north they tended to adopt the accent of the Yankees inside of a few generations. This was not generally true of African-Americans who were often segregated informally by poverty and so forth in the North (by law and custom in the South of course).



Saying negro dialect implies all black people speak a certain way, and unless you live in a bubble, like Reid apparently does, you cannot say that is true.

You are erecting a strawman to tear down. Negro dialect does NOT imply ALL black people speak a certain way.. it merely states the undeniable fact that this dialect and manner of speaking is deeply rooted in African-American history. Reid is not in a bubble, he was stating that Obama veers far from this element of Black culture (only to be expected.. he grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia.. both very far from the pivot point of river delta and the cotton fields).



Based on where they are from, I normally hear black people speak the dialect of where they are from.

Certainly you do.. but you aren't Southern (if you are correct me), nor are you black. Also you are in the military and that tends to strip people of their culture and give them the culture of "military". Read Snowcrash and Hiro Protagonist's musings on whether he is "Asian or African or Military".


To say there even is such thing a negro dialect is inherently racist, especially expressing it as a negative trait. Maybe he should also be glad Obama doesn't have negro lips? See where I'm going with this? It's racism.

Fascinating. So in your brilliance you want to call the American Dialect Society and the Dictionary of Regional American English racist?

Everyone get your political correctness guns handy... WIKIPEDIA IS RACIST!!!
"African American Vernacular English (AAVE)—also called African American English; less precisely Black English, Black Vernacular, Black English Vernacular (BEV), or Black Vernacular English (BVE)—is an African American variety (dialect, ethnolect and sociolect) of American English. Non-linguists sometimes call it Ebonics (a term that also has other meanings or strong connotations). Its pronunciation is, in some respects, common to Southern American English, which is spoken by many African Americans and many non-African Americans in the United States. There is little regional variation among speakers of AAVE. Several creolists, including William Stewart, John Dillard, and John Rickford, argue that AAVE shares so many characteristics with creole dialects spoken by black people in much of the world that AAVE itself is a creole, while others maintain that there are no significant parallels.As with all linguistic forms, its usage is influenced by age, status, topic and setting. There are many literary uses of this variety of English, particularly in African-American literature.

[dimethylsea]

Thank you for the entertaining read. You hypothetically assume that Obama is an intellectual technocrat.

He is apparently a very intellectual person concerning the long sought after but never achieved utopian society that technocrats like him are constantly dreaming of.


As opposed to warmongering facist who lied to America to justify invading Iraq?

I'd rather have a compromising intellectual utopian than another Dubya.

But hey.. you'd rather have another one of THESE every decade or so right?
http://flowingdata.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/iraq-body-count.png

In your name then.. but not in mine!

You do realize the Nobel Prize Committee gave the Peace Prize to the Anti-Bush for the FOURTH TIME when they gave it to Obama?

Carter got it .. for opposing Bush about the war.

Gore got it.. after losing the electoral vote to Bush.

Then Krugman.. anti-Bush columns out the yin-yang.

Then Obama.

I'll take a utopian technocrat anyday over a warmonger thanks.

As long as Obama doesn't start any wars and manages to avoid killing tens of thousands of people he's going to go down in history FAR BETTER than his predecessor. That's why we elected him.. that's why he WON.

Now please whine about it some more. Your tears sustain me :D

[Drake]

People in the military are not stripped of their identity or race. In fact, our individual heritages, backgrounds, and experiences are celebrated and part of what makes us so successful. Where in the hell are you coming up with this? It's quite possibly the most stupid thing I've heard in ages.

And you keep dodging the fact that it's not just "rooted in African American heritage", which Reid just went ahead and called negro. It's rooted in the south, in it's entirety. I've lived in the south, so I have firsthand experience of this.

If you want to defend Mr. Reid just to give you an angle to attack Bush, then so be it. I just want it to make it known that I see you doing so, and I see you defending someone who does not deserve to be defended. It's just as bad as when 1Bad attacks a dem to protect a rep.

[dimethylsea]

People in the military are not stripped of their identity or race. In fact, our individual heritages, backgrounds, and experiences are celebrated and part of what makes us so successful. Where in the hell are you coming up with this? It's quite possibly the most stupid thing I've heard in ages.

Given you are a military officer (and thus a person indoctrinated by the machine) I'll take your opinions with a large chunk of salt.
The military is an organization which specifically tries to be "blind" to race, color, creed etc. Or haven't you ever heard "Soldier the only color in my Army is GREEN!". While this is laudable the use of dialects (including sociolects) is highly situation-dependent.. and a military system which is designed to be a uniform sub-culture minimizes the effect of racial and ethnic heritage upon a persons actions and behavior as subordinate to the "Mission".
So go ahead and call it "stupid".. you only look more and more ignorant.



And you keep dodging the fact that it's not just "rooted in African American heritage", which Reid just went ahead and called negro. It's rooted in the south, in it's entirety. I've lived in the south, so I have firsthand experience of this.

You may have lived in the south but you obviously aren't FROM here. Born and bred is different, which you might understand.. if you were from here.
You are the one who created the strawman that the phrase "Negro dialect" was somehow applicable to ALL blacks at ALL times.. despite the fact that functionally similar phrases are used in academic and non-academic literature ALL THE TIME
I repeat my quote (since apparently you didn't read it the first time).
""African American Vernacular English (AAVE)—also called African American English; less precisely Black English, Black Vernacular, Black English Vernacular (BEV), or Black Vernacular English (BVE)—is an African American variety (dialect, ethnolect and sociolect) of American English. Non-linguists sometimes call it Ebonics (a term that also has other meanings or strong connotations). "
How is Reid's use of "Negro dialect" functionally different from AAVE or "Black English"? It's just a descriptor.
Sadly you have a political agenda (conservative, militarist) and are looking for any excuse to accuse a Democratic leader of the flaws most profoundly expressed by YOUR end of the political spectrum not his.
Sad sad sad.

" Several creolists, including William Stewart, John Dillard, and John Rickford, argue that AAVE shares so many characteristics with creole dialects spoken by black people in much of the world that AAVE itself is a creole.."

Well that certainly sounds like something that is EXCLUSIVELY rooted in the American South.



If you want to defend Mr. Reid just to give you an angle to attack Bush, then so be it. I just want it to make it known that I see you doing so, and I see you defending someone who does not deserve to be defended. It's just as bad as when 1Bad attacks a dem to protect a rep.

I didn't bring up Bush till Luk Hop brought up Obama's record. You can "make it known" all you want, you will still be called out as a hypocrite and an apologist for militarist right-wing agenda (as indicated by your willingness to call a man "racist" for being politically realistic AND for devoting significant amounts of political energy to work on social issues of high value to the very people you claim he is racists against).

You should be ashamed. But you won't be.

Not surprising though. Given your background.

"Attention, Palm-FACE".

[Luk Hop]

..................
You do realize the Nobel Prize Committee gave the Peace Prize to the Anti-Bush for the FOURTH TIME when they gave it to Obama?

Carter got it .. for opposing Bush about the war.

Gore got it.. after losing the electoral vote to Bush.

Then Krugman.. anti-Bush columns out the yin-yang.

Then Obama.:D


That is quite an impressive list you have there: Carter, Gore, Krugman & Obama. Wow, who else can you add to embellish such an esteemed list?




I'll take a utopian technocrat anyday over a warmonger thanks.

As long as Obama doesn't start any wars and manages to avoid killing tens of thousands of people he's going to go down in history FAR BETTER than his predecessor. :D


Be careful what you say there:

Lieberman, Specter open to pre-emptive Yemen attacks: (Dec 28, 2009)
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/1209/Lieberman_Specter_open_to_preemptive_Yemen_attacks .html


Oh wait, that has already happened:

Obama Ordered U.S. Military Strike on Yemen Terrorists (Dec 18, 2009)
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/cruise-missiles-strike-yemen/story?id=9375236


Hold it, ------ I thought that we were no longer at war against terrorism??????


Obama 'declared end' to war on terror: media (Jan 23, 2009)
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hT7ZimsQHKfduYc-REToVF8EDwNw


Is the Obama administration contemplating a strike against Iran?
Petraeus: U.S. has plan to deal with Iran's nuclear program (Jan 10, 2010)
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/01/09/petraeus.iran/index.html


Let us not forget: Obama Says He Would Take Fight To Pakistan (Aug 2, 2007)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/01/AR2007080101233.html


So if Bush was a warmonger..........



That's why we elected him.. that's why he WON. :D


Apparently you are one of those who believes in Democrat verses Republicans & vice versa - blah, blah, blah -


I will now break it down in terms that maybe even you can understand:


"Who's the more foolish: The fool, or the fool who follows him?", Obi Wan Kenobi

[BoulderDawg]

I doubt very seriously this guy has spent more than a few weeks in the deep south.

As a liberal who grew up there it was truly sad to see black kids suffering in school simply because their parents/grand parents were never given the opportunity for a quality education. These parents simply can't relate to the struggles their kids are having in class much less help them with their homework. It's hard to break 20 generations of ignorance and abuse.

All that said I have a feeling this guy would fit in really good in the south...at least with a certain group of people.

Anyway, Where's the outrage among black people? The only person I've seen who was upset by it was that Uncle Tom who fronts as the puppet for the GOP.

[dimethylsea]

Apparently you are one of those who believes in Democrat verses Republicans & vice versa - blah, blah, blah -


I will now break it down in terms that maybe even you can understand:


"Who's the more foolish: The fool, or the fool who follows him?", Obi Wan Kenobi

Wow.. quoting Obi-Wan. You are a scholar..... of.. something. Not sure what.

Understand this.. we voted for "anyone but Bush". Anyone but a Republican. Anybody but the TRUE Axis of Evil (Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld) redux that was McCaine/Palin.

You don't seem to get it.. you really don't. It's not that I'm a Democrat.. though I stand with them and vote for them (mainly because they are the only real alternative to the faith-based madness party of war that is the GOP).

I do wish Obama had immediately recalled all troops, but the GOP has made that politically untenable. As long as he mostly winds things down in his first term that's still far better than McCaine would have done.

You can't really win this one. I'm not arguing Obama's perfect.. I'm just stating that the GOP alternative is FAR FAR WORSE.

[1bad65]

The only person I've seen who was upset by it was that Uncle Tom who fronts as the puppet for the GOP.

LMAO at one racist defending another, and using a racist term to do it.

You know if Trent Lott, Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, John McCain, or any other politician with an (R) next to his/her name had said it, you guys defending Reid would instead be frothing at the mouth.

[1bad65]

You can't really win this one. I'm not arguing Obama's perfect.. I'm just stating that the GOP alternative is FAR FAR WORSE.

Was this double-digit unemployment we have now FAR FAR WORSE under Bush?

One thing FAR FAR WORSE under Obama is the national debt. :eek:

[dimethylsea]

Was this double-digit unemployment we have now FAR FAR WORSE under Bush?

One thing FAR FAR WORSE under Obama is the national debt. :eek:

Talk about being a pig... almost EIGHTY THOUSAND DEAD IRAQIS would think differently, if they were alive to think about it.

The GOP didn't care about the national debt when it was time to launch their war..

No matter how much you scream you can't claim Obama CAUSED this recession, the best you can claim is that another Republican would handle the problem Bush created better than Obama is handling it.

And that's what you are saying.. that another Republican would have been better than Obama.

Forgive me.. but after 8 years of war and tens of thousands of dead.. I'm not inclined to give a flying f*ck.


Not starting more land-wars is more important than how someone's cleaning up Bush's mess.

[BoulderDawg]

About a month back Rachel Maddow showed a video that I didn't even know existed. It was some sort of events that was attended by Reagan. In the video a 10-12 year black girl asked the president a question. See the video and judge for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2pC04-Dufs

Funny no one mentions Reagan's use of the word "Negro".

In any case it didn't bother me. The word was used without malice by a bumbling fool.

Reagan hated black people, no doubt about that, but the use of the term here did not involve his bias.

************

The teabaggers are now bringing up Trent Lott.:D Trent Lott spoke of how things would be so much better today if Strom Thurmond had been elected president......:rolleyes: I don't know about anybody else but I think the use of word "negro" does not equate to harking back to a leader who so embraced the racism of the time and openly talked about how much good he would have done if elected.

[1bad65]

It's still so funny to see a racist defend another racist.

First you defended a wife-beating con artist, now you're on to defending a racist. Who will you defend next?

[1bad65]

Funny no one mentions Reagan's use of the word "Negro".

Reagan hated black people, no doubt about that, but the use of the term here did not involve his bias.

Are you actually saying Reagan got a pass? Reagan has been called every name in the book by you people. Were you born yesterday or something?

And fyi, that "bumbling fool" had to fix double-digit inflation, 22.5% prime interest rates, and high unemployment he inherited from Carter. Unlike Obama, Reagan fixed those problems instead of just blaming his predecessor the whole time.

[mawali]

About a month back Rachel Maddow showed a video that I didn't even know existed. It was some sort of events that was attended by Reagan. In the video a 10-12 year black girl asked the president a question. See the video and judge for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2pC04-Dufs

Funny no one mentions Reagan's use of the word "Negro".

In any case it didn't bother me. The word was used without malice by a bumbling fool.

Reagan hated black people, no doubt about that, but the use of the term here did not involve his bias.

************

The teabaggers are now bringing up Trent Lott.:D Trent Lott spoke of how things would be so much better today if Strom Thurmond had been elected president......:rolleyes: I don't know about anybody else but I think the use of word "negro" does not equate to harking back to a leader who so embraced the racism of the time and openly talked about how much good he would have done if elected.

dude,
It is not fair to say Reagan hated black people any more than Sen Robert Byrd is a zebra who cannot shed his stripes as a KKK dragon head leader!
For all we know Strom Thurmond could have been the best President the USA never had. Remove evil people from their former surroundings (that is all they know) and put them in a fresh/new environment and the world will be better for it.
A lot of these elected officials, in order to get with their constituency, espouse beliefs to get and stay elected and sadly in modern day USA, these people are alive and teabagging!
Ignorance is a choice just as Obama is as American born, and as part of the hallowed few of the country, there are those who still see him as a 'foreigner', a "Muslim' while they take Sen. Byrd's positions as if he was hatched!

Some people only believe in change if it is for them while at the same time refusing to acknowledge same in others! Health care is good if it is for me but I will refuse it for others... that is as real and objective if you want to judge people by thier actions!

Please do not let the use of the word dude fool you in assessing my view of your response!
saul good!

[1bad65]

Here is your hero, Al Franken calling Reagan and his entire administration racist:

"As reported by Tom Curry of MSNBC, Al Franken, in criticizing Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito, said: 'Being a racist and a sexist was a good calling card for the Reagan administration.'"

http://newsmax.com/InsideCover/franken-reagan-officials/2008/11/02/id/326309

I could produce dozens of elected Democrats, and thousands of rank-and-file Democrats calling the man who freed the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe a racist. Are you such a space cadet that you deny Reagan has been called a racist for the last 20+ years?

[1bad65]

Speaking of Klansman Byrd, BD gave him a pass too. :rolleyes:

And Byrd even went further than saying "Negro", he used the 'N-word' repeatedly on television just a few years ago. Of course since he has a (D) next to his name, he got a pass too. Trent Lott (R) did not.

[BoulderDawg]

Let's talk about the evil racist sumbtch Reid!:D

Of course he has a long history of racism. In his personal life and in the legislation that he has produced and supported.

As a matter of fact the legislation he has introduce that hurts the black man have been too numberous and often. I'll stand back and let you name some of the important and most outragous bills that the evil racist Reid has introduced!:p

[BoulderDawg]

Here is your hero, Al Franken calling Reagan and his entire administration racist:

"As reported by Tom Curry of MSNBC, Al Franken, in criticizing Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito, said: 'Being a racist and a sexist was a good calling card for the Reagan administration.'"

http://newsmax.com/InsideCover/franken-reagan-officials/2008/11/02/id/326309

I could produce dozens of elected Democrats, and thousands of rank-and-file Democrats calling the man who freed the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe a racist. Are you such a space cadet that you deny Reagan has been called a racist for the last 20+ years?

Al was correct. Wasn't it the Reagan Admin that tried to have Catsup qualify as a vegtable on the lower income school lunch program just to save money on social programs? Wasn't it Reagan who tried to end affirmative action programs?

Al has nothing to apologize for. Reagan and his ilk were racist.

[Dragonzbane76]

And Byrd even went further than saying "Negro", he used the 'N-word' repeatedly on television just a few years ago. Of course since he has a (D) next to his name, he got a pass too. Trent Lott (R) did not.

and the man is like 98 and probably has Alzheimer's Disease and forgets his name sometimes so yeah... maybe he still thinks its still 1900.

[1bad65]

and the man is like 98 and probably has Alzheimer's Disease and forgets his name sometimes so yeah... maybe he still thinks its still 1900.

That excuse did not work for Strom Thurmond. Try again.

[1bad65]

So let me get this straight, as I'm confused.

If you vote for affirmative action and low income school lunch programs, you are not a racist even if you use racial slurs and in one case was a high ranking Klansman? Yet if you vote for entitlement program cuts and against quotas, you are automatically a racist?

Are these the new talking points you hypocrites are saying now?

[BoulderDawg]

So let me get this straight, as I'm confused.

If you vote for affirmative action and low income school lunch programs, you are not a racist even if you use racial slurs and in one case was a high ranking Klansman? Yet if you vote for entitlement program cuts and against quotas, you are automatically a racist?

Are these the new talking points you hypocrites are saying now?

I thought we were talking about the here and now. Tell me what Reid has done that is a threat to the black race?

[Drake]

I thought we were talking about the here and now. Tell me what Reid has done that is a threat to the black race?

Using terminology that hasn't been considered acceptable since the civil rights movement?

[1bad65]

Using terminology that hasn't been considered acceptable since the civil rights movement?

Actually Drake, that terminology is acceptable if you have a (D) next to your name.

Don't believe me, see for yourself:


It's funny about Limby. He is now saying "What! I didn't say all of that."

However the truth is that is doesn't matter. There is a long, long list of things he has said and done to show his racist tendencies.

So according to BD Rush is a racist because of statements he denied making, yet Reid gets a pass on statements he ADMITTED to making.

Hypocracy at its finest.

[1bad65]

...and just this week too!

"Ousted Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich is apologizing for what he calls a poor choice of words in an Esquire magazine interview in which he claims he's "blacker than Barack Obama."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/11/blagojevich-im-blacker-barack-obama/

"The Rev. Al Sharpton on Monday said he was disturbed by condescending remarks reportedly made by former President Bill Clinton about Barack Obama during the 2008 campaign.

Sharpton was referring to a passage in the new book, "Game Change," which recounts the conversation Clinton had with the late Sen. Ted Kennedy when he was trying to convince the liberal lion of the Senate to endorse his wife for president.

"A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee," Clinton told Kennedy, according to the book -- a comment that angered Kennedy, who later endorsed Obama."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/11/sharpton-clinton-coffee-remark-obama-disturbing/

What's your excuse for these two guys? :rolleyes:

[Drake]

The funny part is, we hardly have to type anything. Most of the time, BD ends up going back on what he said, or being clearly hypocritical, or worse yet, doing both in the SAME post!

What can you expect from someone who adores someone who exploits Native Americans for his own greed and financial gain?

[Dragonzbane76]

That excuse did not work for Strom Thurmond. Try again.

not trying anything, stating the obvious. hell he'll be dead soon so who cares.

[BoulderDawg]

Micheal Steele is an Uncle Tom and a fool to boot!


Speaking to Fox News, Steele said the GOP platform "is one of the best political documents that's been written in the last 25 years, honest Injun on that."

"Fox News Sunday" host Chris Wallace said lawmakers from both parties have called that a racial slur.

Steele suggest that a career should be destoyed because of a private remark made then he goes out publically and says something like this. A perfect example of a teabagger.

to be honest "negro" or "honest injun" does not offend me in the least nor does it offend the vast, vast majority of liberals. The only thin-skinned people out there are the teabaggers who go nuts when there hear something like this. However in reality they love it because they want to use it as a politcal tool.

Obama has already spoken of support for Reid so if they try their scheme this time it's goning to blow up in their face.

[mawali]

Micheal Steele is an Uncle Tom and a fool to boot!


Agreed!
avec toi, mon ami
I am surprised he lasted this long as head of GOP.

[1bad65]

Micheal Steele is an Uncle Tom and a fool to boot!

Obama has already spoken of support for Reid so if they try their scheme this time it's goning to blow up in their face.

We shall see who the fools are in November.

My money says the unemployment rate for Congressional Democrats will go way, way up. ;)

[1bad65]

Steele suggest that a career should be destoyed because of a private remark made then he goes out publically and says something like this. A perfect example of a teabagger.

And you said Rush Limbaugh should be barred from owning an NFL team because of remarks he never even made. A perfect example of a hypocrite.

[BoulderDawg]

Agreed!
avec toi, mon ami
I am surprised he lasted this long as head of GOP.

Les haines égales républicaines ce idiot! Je me demande pourquoi !:D

[BoulderDawg]

And you said Rush Limbaugh should be barred from owning an NFL team because of remarks he never even made. A perfect example of a hypocrite.

Prove it! Show me a statement I said Limby made that he did not.

[1bad65]

Prove it! Show me a statement I said Limby made that he did not.

You called the guy a racist. That's all that needs to be said. It's hilarious you say Rush is a racist and you can't find a single sourced quote to prove it, yet you give Reid, Clinton, and Byrd passes when they have ADMITTED to making racist remarks. Unbelievable.

But then again you do admire a lying, wife-beating plagiarist who has exploited Native Americans for his own personal gain. So we can't put any hypocracy past you.

[1bad65]

Looks like the neice of Rev Martin Luther King Jr agrees with Drake and 1bad65.

"Civil rights leader Al Sharpton and the NAACP expressed support for Reid. But Alveda King, the niece of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, released a statement on Tuesday calling Reid's comment "sadly outrageous."

"If Michael Steele or any other conservative had said anything like it, the remarks would be labeled racist and plastered over every available news outlet," King said. "What would my uncle and my father think, to hear such things from one of the most powerful leaders in the country? Their 'beloved community' is sorely threatened when racism rears its ugly head once again.""

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/12/coalition-supporting-reid-negro-remark-starts-crack/

Of course you guys still have garbage like Al Sharpton making excuses for Reid's racism. :rolleyes:

[Drake]

If it comes from a Republican, it's racism. If it comes from a Democrat, he/she "misspoke".

[BoulderDawg]

You called the guy a racist. That's all that needs to be said. It's hilarious you say Rush is a racist and you can't find a single sourced quote to prove it,


Really? One just has to listen to his show for five minutes to know that he is racist. Whenever he does his insulting radio skits the guy he has playing Obama has an extreme darkie accent. So I guess there is your "negro dialect" right there.

by the way the comments about McNabb by themselves were enough to disqualify him from being a team owner

finally do we have to once again bring up the fact that he told a black caller on his radio show to "take the bone out of your nose and call me back"?

[BoulderDawg]

Looks like the neice of Rev Martin Luther King Jr agrees with Drake and 1bad65.

"Civil rights leader Al Sharpton and the NAACP expressed support for Reid. But Alveda King, the niece of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, released a statement on Tuesday calling Reid's comment "sadly outrageous."

"If Michael Steele or any other conservative had said anything like it, the remarks would be labeled racist and plastered over every available news outlet," King said. "What would my uncle and my father think, to hear such things from one of the most powerful leaders in the country? Their 'beloved community' is sorely threatened when racism rears its ugly head once again.""


So what? Over the years I have been extremely disappointed in the King family. They seem much more interested in making a profit from MLK's image than in continuing the fight.

[Drake]

So what? Over the years I have been extremely disappointed in the King family. They seem much more interested in making a profit from MLK's image than in continuing the fight.

Says the man who uses the word "darkie".

Like I said... we don't even have to argue with your nonsense. You defeat yourself.

[1bad65]

So what? Over the years I have been extremely disappointed in the King family. They seem much more interested in making a profit from MLK's image than in continuing the fight.

Yet you are not disappointed by a guy who lied about being an American Indian in order to enrich himself.

Hypocrite.

[1bad65]

Really? One just has to listen to his show for five minutes to know that he is racist. Whenever he does his insulting radio skits the guy he has playing Obama has an extreme darkie accent. So I guess there is your "negro dialect" right there.

finally do we have to once again bring up the fact that he told a black caller on his radio show to "take the bone out of your nose and call me back"?

LMAO at you using yet another racist slur.

BTW, assuming Rush did say that, how do you know the caller was black? Was there a "darkie accent" or a "Negro dialect" that proves that caller's race?

[BoulderDawg]

That fat bag of S strikes again.

I'm watching Keith Olberman and he just show a clip of Limpy talking about the earthquake in Port-au-Prince. No concern for the suffering that is going on here. No talk of the thousands dead....instead Limby was gleefully speculating how Obama was going to use this tragedy to bolster his own presidency.

disgusting! Of course Obama is going to do as much as he can for Haiti and I doubt he really cares how it looks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IuNlQ9cnOE

[Drake]

Because Pres. Obama is as pure as the newly driven snow, right? You've already shown yourself to be gullible, so this really comes as no surprise.

[dimethylsea]

What is strange is that nobody on the GOP side of this argument ever seems concerned about the dead.. just with pointing out the Demos can be "bad people" also.

Where is the sense of guilt and shame from the GOP and the Right over the lives they ruined in the Gulf?

But that doesn't matter.. all that matters is trying to emphasize the flaws of their opponents (and they do have them).

But there is not the slightest sense of contrition or regret. I would respect the GOP and the Right alot more if they just said outright "This is some Roman ****. If you aren't a citizen of the Republic/Empire.. you can die screaming and we don't care. And if you are a citizen and don't toe the line.. then you can die screaming also".

I guess it's the hypocrisy of it all that's confusing. That and bright (if evil) people who run electoral games with the (mostly moronic) Religious section of the Right by wrapping militarism and defense-contractor corporate welfare in the shrouds of glory.

And people wonder why intelligent folks voted for Obama.. we just wanted an end to senseless US wars of aggression this decade. We voted against "More of the Same" McCaine.

Him picking Palin made it really easy to decide. I don't think the GOP and the Right really understand just how much it takes for intelligent libertarians to hold their nose and vote for technocratic pseudo-socialists on the grounds that widespread rampant initiation of force overseas is worse ethically than practicing socialism at home.

I do know this.. I have friends who (like me) voted for Obama who are seriously hoping we can get some sort of closure on these senseless wars.

If we don't.. well.. I guess it's time to plan on retiring a few decades early outside North America. I hear Guatemala is lovely...

[BoulderDawg]

It's manifest destiny...always has been.

I'm just bet not too many white people are lying dead down there in Port-au-Prince.

People like Limby, Rove, Bush and many others are throwing a party tonight.

[1bad65]

Where is the sense of guilt and shame from the GOP and the Right over the lives they ruined in the Gulf?

Where is the sense of guilt and shame from the radical Muslims who intentionally kill inncent civilians?

[1bad65]

I'm just bet not too many white people are lying dead down there in Port-au-Prince.

Once again your ignorance shows.

Many American volunteer aid workers died in the earthquake as well. But America is still the bad guy, right?

[Dragonzbane76]

It's manifest destiny...always has been.

I'm just bet not too many white people are lying dead down there in Port-au-Prince.

People like Limby, Rove, Bush and many others are throwing a party tonight

wow thats a sweeping statement. Don't think the 'white' people had much in the decision to make a natural disaster occur there.

[1bad65]

wow thats a sweeping statement. Don't think the 'white' people had much in the decision to make a natural disaster occur there.

Actually, it's all Bush's fault. Just like Hurricane Katrina was.

[Dragonzbane76]

Actually, it's all Bush's fault. Just like Hurricane Katrina was.

yeah that's giving bush way to much credit. And I would be scared sh!tless if he had that much power to control nature in the first place.

[BoulderDawg]

Once again your ignorance shows.

Many American volunteer aid workers died in the earthquake as well. But America is still the bad guy, right?

Can you read? Did I say "No" white people died?

Another trait of the teabagger. They speak in absolutes.

Also, as far as I'm concerned, people such as Bush, Cheney, Rove, Bachmann, Limby, Coulter...many others do NOT represent the America I live in. Neithet does our current government. The America I live in will be represented in Haiti by independent agencies and groups who will be helping wiothout having TV cameras trailing.

[1bad65]

Another trait of the teabagger. They speak in absolutes.

You are absolutely racist.

[1bad65]

I'm just bet not too many white people are lying dead down there in Port-au-Prince.


Can you read? Did I say "No" white people died?


Why in the world did you bring race into yet another discussion? :rolleyes:

[BoulderDawg]

Why in the world did you bring race into yet another discussion? :rolleyes:


I didn't. I was responding to Limby's comments concerning the Haitian people.

People are dying by the minute down there. All Limby can talk about is how much foreign aid the country sucks ups and how Obama is going to use the tragedy to his advantage.

[1bad65]

I didn't. I was responding to Limby's comments concerning the Haitian people.

People are dying by the minute down there. All Limby can talk about is how much foreign aid the country sucks ups and how Obama is going to use the tragedy to his advantage.

Yes you did, liar.

Can you show where Rush brought race into the discussion? I'm guessing not. We all can see who the racist is. Unlike you, Rush doesn't refer to people as "darkie".

[BoulderDawg]

Can you show where Rush brought race into the discussion? I'm guessing not. We all can see who the racist is. Unlike you, Rush doesn't refer to people as "darkie".

Of course not. Limby is not that stupid. He's not going to say "Stupid N's down in Haiti got what they deserved". He is just going to talk about a country and it's people who are 90%+ black as being the scum of the modern day world.

As I've said, Limby represents the modern day KKK. They don't name call anymore. They just suggest that you are sub human and should be feared or ignored.

[1bad65]

So he didn't bring race into it, you did. And we all can see it.

Look, this 'well he is racist because I know he is' garbage is ridiculous. Here you have a guy who has NEVER made a racist remark in over 20 years of broadcasting and you say he has to be racist. Yet an ex-KKK Exalted Cyclops, a guy who said a black Senator should be serving coffee to the white Senators, and a guy who used the words "Negro dialect" are not racists. Just STFU.

[dimethylsea]

Where is the sense of guilt and shame from the radical Muslims who intentionally kill inncent civilians?

See.. it's that same "other people are a**holes too!" tactic I was just talking about.

[BoulderDawg]

See.. it's that same "other people are a**holes too!" tactic I was just talking about.


I call it the "Two wrongs make a right" stragedy. It's their excuse for everything that happens. Anything that a teabagger does will be justified by saying "Well so and so did it first!" :p

[Drake]

Well, it would appear that the evil, child killing 82nd Airborne are heading to Haiti to help out, with many units more than happy to support humanitarian aid there. My shop NCO's son just got word that he's going, too.

Evil soldiers, helping out the victims of a natural disaster. It's almost as bad when us evil, brainwashed soldiers helped with the quake in Pakistan. Funny how the Pakistanis seem to see us as compassionate and generous. I'm sorry I can't e-source that one. It was told to me by someone from Pakistan.

[1bad65]

See.. it's that same "other people are a**holes too!" tactic I was just talking about.


I call it the "Two wrongs make a right" stragedy. It's their excuse for everything that happens. Anything that a teabagger does will be justified by saying "Well so and so did it first!" :p

Actually it's "If you mess with the bull, you get the horns". Maybe if these Muslim countries would stop supporting and committing terrorism, they wouldn't be in the mess they are in. Just a thought.

[Drake]

From the RNC:

On behalf of the RNC, I send our heartfelt prayers and thoughts of condolence to the entire country of Haiti and to people across the world affected by the devastation of this earthquake. I applaud the men and women of our civilian and military agencies who are bravely responding to this disaster and I encourage all Americans to do everything they can to support the humanitarian efforts taking place to assist the people of Haiti during this incredibly trying time.

Please visit the American Red Cross to find more information on how you can help: American Red Cross

Sincerely,
Michael S. Steele
RNC Chairman

[BoulderDawg]

Let me echo Mr Steele sentiments and say everybody who can help should do so. However please do not give money to the Red Cross.

http://news.infoshop.org/article.php?story=2010haiti-earthquake


Major earthquake strikes Haiti; What you can do to help
Wednesday, January 13 2010 @ 11:22 AM CST

On Tuesday, a major 7.0 earthquake hit Haiti, leveling cities and possibly killing hundreds of thousands. We are listing the more reputable aid organizations so that folks can donate.

Doctors Without Borders
Partners in Health
Grassroots International

Do not contribute to the Red Cross (organizational corruption) or Yele Haiti, Wyclef Jean's organization which is distributing his call for US military intervention in Haiti.

[BoulderDawg]

http://blog.taragana.com/e/2010/01/14/white-house-limbaughs-haiti-comments-really-stupid-radio-host-urged-people-not-to-donate-80414/


Limbaugh said on his radio show Wednesday that he wouldn’t trust that money donated to Haiti through the White House Web site would actually go to the relief efforts. He said Americans don’t need to contribute to earthquake relief because they already donate to Haiti through their income taxes.

disgraceful.

Well I guess that leaves it up to the liberals to help these people. Of course that's the truth in very disaster.

[dimethylsea]

Well, it would appear that the evil, child killing 82nd Airborne are heading to Haiti to help out, with many units more than happy to support humanitarian aid there. My shop NCO's son just got word that he's going, too.

Evil soldiers, helping out the victims of a natural disaster. It's almost as bad when us evil, brainwashed soldiers helped with the quake in Pakistan. Funny how the Pakistanis seem to see us as compassionate and generous. I'm sorry I can't e-source that one. It was told to me by someone from Pakistan.

Drake,
It's not your fault you are evil and brainwashed. See your conditioning leads you to believe you are a HERO. A HERO is noted for killing the BAD people and saving the GOOD people.

The problem here is the HERO is told by someone else (usually a corrupt demagogue) who is a GOOD person and who is a BAD person.

I'm very familiar with the 82nd. I've had to spank those *****es on more than one occasion. Typical oo-rah types in my experience. The thing is.. they are human.. and fallible like anyone.

As long as they are flying in supplies and pulling people out of the sh*t-hole I got no problem with them. But when they are part of operations in Afghanistan or Vietnam then I most certainly do have the right to call a traitor a traitor.

And I DO say it to their face (as several members of the 101rst have learned to their extreme discomfort) and if they twitch and swing.. well.. you ain't got no rifle or air support here.. and it's always funny to remind them "Not in my name!" right before they get swept.

Tell me Drake.. do you use the word "Haji" alot? Bet ya do.

"ATTENTION, PALM_FACE!"

[Drake]

Why would I make fun of someone using a word referencing a religious pilgramage? Actually, I call them Iraqis (pronounced EE-RAH-KEES, not EYE-RAK-EEHS). You probably call citizens of Afghanistan, Afghanis, don't you? I bet you can't even speak a word of Pashtu.

[dimethylsea]

Why would I make fun of someone using a word referencing a religious pilgramage? Actually, I call them Iraqis (pronounced EE-RAH-KEES, not EYE-RAK-EEHS). You probably call citizens of Afghanistan, Afghanis, don't you? I bet you can't even speak a word of Pashtu.

Why would you make fun of someone using a word indicating pilgrimage?

Well you ARE active duty are you not?

Generally speaking that indicates a higher than average chance of bias, militarist ideals, receptivity to fascism, and xenophobia (just in my experience mind you).

I was always under the impression that the people of Afghanistan were referred to as Afghans or Pashtuns.
I suppose (in retrospect) I assumed this was because "Afghan" is the adjectival form (like the weed variety "Afghan Kush").
And of course I don't speak Pashto or Afghani. Mandarin is quite enough to chew on thanks.

[Drake]

You are guilty of what you accuse.

[1bad65]

disgraceful.

Well I guess that leaves it up to the liberals to help these people. Of course that's the truth in very disaster.

What he said is 100% true. We pay plenty in income taxes. Also, please show me where in the Constitution it says it's the Government's job to help foreign countries recover from natural disasters.

If the liberals want to help out people, fine. But they need to use THEIR money, not the taxpayers money.

What's really disgraceful is that we are running record levels of national debt, we have 10% unemployment, and we are going to give millions (or maybe even billions) to foreign countries. We have enough problems of our own, let's solve our problems before we try and fix everyone else's.

[BoulderDawg]

If the liberals want to help out people, fine. But they need to use THEIR money, not the taxpayers money.

Here's what I would do then. I would gather together all my lily white teabagger friends and march on Washington! Make sure that all the American people know that 100 mill that Obama has pledged to Haiti can be used for better things...such as building new golf courses!

Also in your march make sure everyone has a gun and a poster of Obama looking like some sort of minstrel performer.

***************

Ha! It's funny. The teabaggers have taken note that they are being called out for their whites only rallies. They have now made an effort to get one or two black people out there and shove them in front of the cameras!:D

[1bad65]

Here's what I would do then. I would gather together all my lily white teabagger friends and march on Washington!

Actually a group of "teabaggers" is gonna march in Massacusetts on Tuesday. And as a result, it's highly possible a Republican is gonna win Mary Jo Kopechne's killer's Senate seat.

The Republican Scott Brown is not only up in the most recent poll, he is taking in about $1 million per day in campaign donations. If you idiots lose a Senate seat in Massachusetts, you know the 2010 midterm elections are gonna be a landslide of epic proportions. The Democrats should win that race by 15 pts, the fact its close in Massachusetts speaks volumes.

[1bad65]

Ha! It's funny. The teabaggers have taken note that they are being called out for their whites only rallies. They have now made an effort to get one or two black people out there and shove them in front of the cameras!:D

Once again you find a way to inject race into a debate.

I have a question for you. You seem to hate white people for some reason. Is this why you nutride guys who are white, but lie and pretend to not be white?

[BoulderDawg]

Actually a group of "teabaggers" is gonna march in Massacusetts on Tuesday. And as a result, it's highly possible a Republican is gonna win Mary Jo Kopechne's killer's Senate seat.

The Republican Scott Brown is not only up in the most recent poll, he is taking in about $1 million per day in campaign donations. If you idiots lose a Senate seat in Massachusetts, you know the 2010 midterm elections are gonna be a landslide of epic proportions. The Democrats should win that race by 15 pts, the fact its close in Massachusetts speaks volumes.

Good!

To start with how could my group lose anything? I'm not a democrat.

I would sorta chuckle at the GOP taking that senate seat. If nothing else it might out an end to the shameless ass kissing the Dems are giving Leiberman.

Of course the GOP will do well in 2010. It's a midterm year for a first term president and Obama is not on the ticket. Many rode Obama's coat tails in 2008. Since he's not on the ticket a lot of these people will be like me and not vote at all. Good for them!:D

[Drake]

What he said is 100% true. We pay plenty in income taxes. Also, please show me where in the Constitution it says it's the Government's job to help foreign countries recover from natural disasters.

If the liberals want to help out people, fine. But they need to use THEIR money, not the taxpayers money.

What's really disgraceful is that we are running record levels of national debt, we have 10% unemployment, and we are going to give millions (or maybe even billions) to foreign countries. We have enough problems of our own, let's solve our problems before we try and fix everyone else's.

Not only was it not in our Constitution, but our founding fathers even recommended NOT getting involved in foreign affairs. I'm not so much against aid to Haiti, but I do want to know what fund the money is coming from, and if we ever expect to recoup that loss.

We do have a strategic interest in Haiti, all charity aside, in that allowing Haiti to be reduced to what it would be without aid could, in the future, endanger American interests, either through extremist group proliferation, disease, or the even the risk of a lawless state right off our borders.

In a way it's sad, because instead of allowing us, as Americans, to say "We'll donate on our own and show the world how charitable we are," instead is being shown as Pres Obama's sole decision to use our tax dollars. I think a much stronger, and better, message would have been sent had all the federal funds sent to Haiti not been sent, and an even larger amount via charity been sent instead.

The thing to remember about Limbaugh is that he's a shock jock, and he grossly exaggerates views in order to get a message across. Of course what he says is unreasonable and offensive, but at least he gets people to think about it. Does anyone reasonable believe Pres Obama is doing this just for political gain? Of course not! However, like I said, he was making a gross, offensive exaggeration in order to make people think. He isn't meant to be taken seriously, and much of his "neo" behavior is tongue in cheek, over the top, radio entertainment.

[dimethylsea]

You are guilty of what you accuse.

Fascinating... since when did "I know you are but what am I?" become a formidable response to an objection on the basis of bias?


Oh wait.. this is that same "but liberals are just as bad as conservatives"gambit again.

Talk about a one-trick pony!

[BoulderDawg]

Limbaugh is more than a "Shock Jock". He is the power behind the GOP.

Does anyone wonder why Sarah Palin got the VP nomination without a whole lot of background check? Limbaugh was in the background pushing for her.

Here lately I've been doing some reading about Mr. Limbaugh. I find it interesting that when him and his last wife got married she did not move in with him but rather had a separate residence. That is beyond strange but no one ever seemed to question it. He's gone to superhuman lenghts and spent a lot of money to keep his private life private......I wonder why?

[1bad65]

Limbaugh is more than a "Shock Jock". He is the power behind the GOP.

Does anyone wonder why Sarah Palin got the VP nomination without a whole lot of background check? Limbaugh was in the background pushing for her.

Can you provide proof of that? As far as I recall, she was a huge surprise for alot of people. And why would the McCain camp do Limbaugh's bidding? Limbaugh had been criticizing McCain for years.


Here lately I've been doing some reading about Mr. Limbaugh. I find it interesting that when him and his last wife got married she did not move in with him but rather had a separate residence. That is beyond strange but no one ever seemed to question it. He's gone to superhuman lenghts and spent a lot of money to keep his private life private......I wonder why?

So living apart from your spouse is bad, and should be investigated by a fool like you. But being a lying, plagiarizing, wife-beating con man is a good thing to you. Maybe he should have been trying to have sex with underage girls, like Democrat Congressman Mel Reynolds and anti-Iraq war weapons inspector Scott Ritter. Ritter was arrested recently for the THIRD time for this behavior.

[1bad65]

Oh wait.. this is that same "but liberals are just as bad as conservatives"gambit again.

Talk about a one-trick pony!

But that "It's all Bush's fault" gambit is so original.

[1bad65]

Not only was it not in our Constitution, but our founding fathers even recommended NOT getting involved in foreign affairs. I'm not so much against aid to Haiti, but I do want to know what fund the money is coming from, and if we ever expect to recoup that loss.

Thank you.

But why should we worry about recouping the money? We can always just borrow more from China. :rolleyes:

[BoulderDawg]

So living apart from your spouse is bad.

Frankly...Hell yeah. You get married and your new wife moves into a separate house????? At least with me (along with anyone else I've ever known) if you get a new wife or girlfriend for the first year or so you hate even leaving her to go to work.

[Drake]

Fascinating... since when did "I know you are but what am I?" become a formidable response to an objection on the basis of bias?


Oh wait.. this is that same "but liberals are just as bad as conservatives"gambit again.

Talk about a one-trick pony!

Wow... analytical skill FAIL.

No, I was essentially calling you a hypocrite, but figured you'd understand me. Yet again, I am disappointed.

[dimethylsea]

Wow... analytical skill FAIL.

No, I was essentially calling you a hypocrite, but figured you'd understand me. Yet again, I am disappointed.

Accusations of hypocrisy from a person with a officer's commission?


http://www.akacrasher.com/stuff/you_so_funny.jpg

[Drake]

Accusations of hypocrisy from a person with a officer's commission?


http://www.akacrasher.com/stuff/you_so_funny.jpg

Yes. That would be correct. However, you use "an" and not "a" when preceding a word that starts with a vowel sound.

[BoulderDawg]

Yes. That would be correct. However, you use "an" and not "a" when preceding a word that starts with a vowel sound.


Unforgivable crime....you should be placed in jail for such a faux pas!

................Petty:rolleyes:

[Drake]

Unforgivable crime....you should be placed in jail for such a faux pas!

................Petty:rolleyes:

Considering a guy was arrested for being afraid on a flight, that isn't terribly far away.