Styles in Canton

[Baritsumaster]

What styles were available to students in Canton, Guangdong in its heyday at the end of the Ching Dynasty?

[Baritsumaster]

I suppose I should add Foshan into the next, being almost a suburb.

[taai gihk yahn]

Google is your friend...

[David Jamieson]

It's how you ask the question that's important: let me google that for you (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=guangdong+kungfu+training)

[Baritsumaster]

Yes, Google IS my friend, but so are the reliable and knowledgable brains on this forum! You guys rock. Now if I could compress all your knowledge onto a zip drive...

[David Jamieson]

Yes, Google IS my friend, but so are the reliable and knowledgable brains on this forum! You guys rock. Now if I could compress all your knowledge onto a zip drive...

well, you'd have a zip drive with a load of jibba jabba on it. lol

you're still gonna have to do the work.
And if Malcolm Gladwell has it right, you're looking at about 10,000 hours of practice.

If you want to space that out reasonably, you can say that it takes 10 years to get really good at anything.

:)

knowing without applying is not enough.

[Baritsumaster]

Ten years, that sounds about right. No short cuts. I'd better get back to work then. I'm a reference librarian after all.

[jdhowland]

Aw, c'mon, guys! I like making lists.

I'll start the ball rolling, Will, and see if anyone jumps in.

Of course, you know about Hung Ga and Choi Lei Fat. To that I'll add Choi Ga and Lama Kyuhn, for starters.

jd

[Baritsumaster]

We'll come up with the definitive list of what I'll call "Styles Wong Fei Hung Encountered".
Don't forget Hop Ga!

[taai gihk yahn]

It's how you ask the question that's important: let me google that for you (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=guangdong+kungfu+training)

that was pretty cool!

[Baritsumaster]

Jow Ga, but not officially until about 1915. Lau Ga. Lots of Ga's

[Baritsumaster]

We're cooking along.

Traditional Southern family styles: Hung, Lei, Mok, Choi (not Lee Fut)

And some unheard of style called Wing Chun. Wasn't that an Eighties pop group?:D

[Baritsumaster]

Perhaps a little Lion's Roar?

Of course, practically any style could show up in Canton, being a port city and so close to Hong Kong, where some early tournaments took place. WFH fought in one and beat a foreignor and his dog/wolf, according to his memorial

[jdhowland]

Perhaps a little Lion's Roar?

Of course, practically any style could show up in Canton, being a port city and so close to Hong Kong, where some early tournaments took place. WFH fought in one and beat a foreignor and his dog/wolf, according to his memorial

The general public wouldn't have recognized the name "Lion's Roar" in the period you are examining. Perhaps, not even "Hop Ga." Those were insiders terms for what might have been known generically as "lama kyuhn" or lama-style boxing. The branch known as "Tibetan White Crane" probably didn't have a name until the beginning of the nationalist period.

jd

[kfman5F]

Five Family Style from Ark Wong

[Taiping]

As found below:

http://www.satirio.com/ma/guangdong.html

[Baritsumaster]

This link was given to me on another question:

http://www.satirio.com/ma/guangdong.html

[Baritsumaster]

That link is awesome, Taiping. Thank you.

[Tid Sin]

Jow Ga, but not officially until about 1915. Lau Ga. Lots of Ga's

Then there's Lei Dee Ga Gar Kuen.

(Sorry, couldn't resist ;) )

[Baritsumaster]

Here's the list, borrowed from the TaiPing website:

Style Origin Area Province Further Information
Luo Fou Shan Pai
罗浮山拳 Shi Pan, Pun Ning, Shantou Guangdong
Nan Zhi Quan
南枝拳
Shantou Guangdong
Hong Jia Quan (Hung Ga Kuen)
洪家拳 Tai Shan, Foshan Guangdong ●
Mo Jia Quan (Mok Ga Kuen)
莫家拳 Hai Feng, Hui Zhou Guangdong
Cai Jia Quan (Choy Ga Kuen)
蔡家拳
Zhong Shan Guangdong
Li Jia Quan (Lee Ga Kuen - San Wui)
新会李家拳
Xin Hui Guangdong
Li Jia Quan (Lee Boxing - Wai Yeung)
惠州李家拳 Hui Yang Guangdong
Liu Jia Quan (Lau Ga Kuen)
蔡李佛 Lian Jiang, Fuzhou Guangdong
Yong Chun (Wing Chun)
咏春 Ming Qing, Bai Yan Shan Guangdong
Xia Jia Quan (Hap Ga)
侠家拳
Luo Yuan, Ning De Guangdong
Cai Li Fo (Choy Lee Fut)
蔡李佛 Fuzhou, Ningbo Guangdong
Long Xing Quan (Dragon Style)
龙形拳
Ge Chuan, Long Yan Guangdong ●
Bai Mei Quan (White Eyebrow Style)
白眉拳 Sha Yang Zhen, Gu Tian, Min Hou Guangdong ●
Fo Jia Quan　(Fut Ga Kuen)
佛家拳 Lu Feng Xiang, Shang Hang Guangdong
Yue Jia Jiao (Ngok Ga Gao)
岳家教 Meixian Guangdong
Diao Jia Jiao (Diu Ga Gao)
刁家教 Meixian Guangdong
Li Jia Jiao (Lee Ga Gao)
李家教 Meixian, Shantou Guangdong
Zhu Jia Jiao (Chu Ga Gao)
朱家教 Meixian Guangdong
Zhong Jia Jiao (Chong Ga Gao)
钟家教 Meixian Guangdong
Kunlun Quan (Gwun Lun Kuen)
昆仑拳 Meixian Guangdong
Liu Feng Shan Pai (Lau Fung San)
刘凤山派 Shantou, Meixian Guangdong
Zhou Jia Quan (Jow Ga Kuen)
周家拳 Xinhui, Guangxi Guangdong/Guangxi
Hong Fo Quan (Hung Fut Kuen)
洪佛拳 Foshan, Guangzhou Guangdong
Rou Gong Men (Yau Kung Mun)
柔功门 Xin Hui Guangdong
Hu Shi Quan (Tiger Lion Boxing)
虎狮拳

Hai Feng, Lu Feng, Tou Wei Guangdong
Tu Long Quan (Slaughter Dragon)
屠龙拳 Wu Zhou Guangxi

[kfson]

Are most of the above Shaolin related?

[chusauli]

"Shaolin" is a meaningless term these days. Most Southern Fist was created by people not related to Shaolin at all.

And most Shaolin was civilian or military fists that were collected at Shaolin, not created there.

[kfson]

"Shaolin" is a meaningless term these days. Most Southern Fist was created by people not related to Shaolin at all.

And most Shaolin was civilian or military fists that were collected at Shaolin, not created there.

Yes, I understand.
To rephrase, where the above ever practiced and redeveloped in a Buddhist monastery? I think you see where I'm going?

[chusauli]

I do not know about all the systems listed above... I would say that the following were not developed or reformulated at a temple:

Nan Zhi Quan
南枝拳
Shantou Guangdong
Hong Jia Quan (Hung Ga Kuen)
洪家拳 Tai Shan, Foshan Guangdong
Mo Jia Quan (Mok Ga Kuen)
莫家拳 Hai Feng, Hui Zhou Guangdong
Cai Jia Quan (Choy Ga Kuen)
蔡家拳
Zhong Shan Guangdong
Li Jia Quan (Lee Ga Kuen - San Wui)
Liu Jia Quan (Lau Ga Kuen)
蔡李佛 Lian Jiang, Fuzhou Guangdong
Yong Chun (Wing Chun)
咏春 Ming Qing, Bai Yan Shan Guangdong
Xia Jia Quan (Hap Ga)
侠家拳
Luo Yuan, Ning De Guangdong
Cai Li Fo (Choy Lee Fut)
蔡李佛 Fuzhou, Ningbo Guangdong
Long Xing Quan (Dragon Style)
龙形拳
Ge Chuan, Long Yan Guangdong ●
Bai Mei Quan (White Eyebrow Style)
白眉拳 Sha Yang Zhen, Gu Tian, Min Hou Guangdong ●
Fo Jia Quan　(Fut Ga Kuen)
佛家拳 Lu Feng Xiang, Shang Hang Guangdong
Li Jia Jiao (Lee Ga Gao)
李家教 Meixian, Shantou Guangdong
Zhu Jia Jiao (Chu Ga Gao)
朱家教 Meixian Guangdong
Zhou Jia Quan (Jow Ga Kuen)
周家拳 Xinhui, Guangxi Guangdong/Guangxi
Hong Fo Quan (Hung Fut Kuen)
洪佛拳 Foshan, Guangzhou Guangdong
Rou Gong Men (Yau Kung Mun)
柔功门 Xin Hui Guangdong

Mostly, these arts were created by civilian martial artists. As for practiced there, I can see people renting out a hall at a monastary and having classes held there...

I do not get where you are going with this. Why would an art allegedly be developed in a Buddhist temple be any more effective?

If you ever studied Buddhism or saw how a monk lived and cultivated the Dharma, they would have precious little time for martial arts.