Hung Kuen - Fu Ying Kuen (Tiger Fist)

[wiz cool c]

Hung Kuen - Fu Ying Kuen (Tiger Fist) does anyone know this form, any info would be great, also if there are any video links other then youtube showing this form, would be great. Thanks for any info.

[David Jamieson]

Hung Kuen - Fu Ying Kuen (Tiger Fist) does anyone know this form, any info would be great, also if there are any video links other then youtube showing this form, would be great. Thanks for any info.

Fu Ying Kuen could be the Fook Fu portion of the set Gung Gi Fook Fu Kuen.

Fu Ying (tiger shape) is not a standard set and may be an adaptation that is used in your particular kwoon to bring familiarity to the early entrant player of the style.

Alternately, this could be part of the Ha Say Fu Hung Gar which has the Tiger shape set, Leopard, Crane, Snake and Dragon all organized as individual sets.

So, the first part would be to state what lineage is this coming from, what school and then from there it would be a little easier to identify.

[wiz cool c]

All I know is it's Hung Chuan, I guess that could be any style in that system.

[wiz cool c]

Also I have seen this form before in some old shawbrother films. I think my teacher was saying it is older then the tiger crane form before the two where put together, but i could be wrong about that, cause he was speaking in chinese and my listening skill are pretty bad.

[TenTigers]

you're relying on a movie for information?

[sanjuro_ronin]

you're relying on a movie for information?

You say that as if it was a bad thing !

[CFT]

Fu Ying Kuen could be the Fook Fu portion of the set Gung Gi Fook Fu Kuen.Not sure if you've checked it out yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTeH0NJabWA

Look familiar or not?

[David Jamieson]

Not sure if you've checked it out yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTeH0NJabWA

Look familiar or not?

Not. When compared with LSW Hung Gar.
This looks like more old school Hung Gar.

Doesn't even look like Ha Say Fu, but does break the sets into the individual Sil Lum 5 animals.

Nicely played though. I watched a couple of the other ones. this flavour of Hung Kuen is good! I like it.

[CFT]

There's a lot of clips on the channel. Very varied.

[wiz cool c]

can't see it if it's on youtube, i'm in shenzhen china, i guess you guys don't know. i think they don't teach this in the states, thanks anyway.

[David Jamieson]

can't see it if it's on youtube, i'm in shenzhen china, i guess you guys don't know. i think they don't teach this in the states, thanks anyway.

wing lam teaches a style called ha say fu.
it's shaolin 5 animals with each animal having it's own set and also there are weapons sets.

This style resembles that old style of hung gar.

check this out
http://www.hasayfu.com/videos/stylesofhasayfu

this is one of wing lams students who now does the ha say fu.
Look at the open and the tightness of the coiling hands.

fairly similar. not exactly the same, but on a hunch, i'd say these are related somewhere. I mean outside of the obvious shaolin/southern styles connection.

[wiz cool c]

ok how about this, hu he shuang xing, i think it is the name of the form i'm learning, any one know this?

[4 Dragons]

http://www.cantaikungfu.com/index.cfm?page=13

[David Jamieson]

http://www.cantaikungfu.com/index.cfm?page=13

cool. Bolton is just north of me and Missisauga is to the west.

so, is this the same style?

[TenTigers]

Hung Hei-Guen's name wasn't Hung, it was Jyu, and he took the surname Hung aout of loyalty to the Ming. Hung Mo-Jue was the first Emperor of the Ming Dynasty, whose line was ended by the Ching invasion. Hung-Ga is so named for patriotism to the Ming, otherwise it would simply be called, Siu-Lum.

[CFT]

ok how about this, hu he shuang xing, i think it is the name of the form i'm learning, any one know this?Tiger Crane form? I'm sure there are people here who can comment.

[David Jamieson]

yes that is basically the mandarin way of saying fu hok seurng ying kuen. (tiger/crane double shape fist)

[David Jamieson]

Hung Hei-Guen's name wasn't Hung, it was Jyu, and he took the surname Hung aout of loyalty to the Ming. Hung Mo-Jue was the first Emperor of the Ming Dynasty, whose line was ended by the Ching invasion. Hung-Ga is so named for patriotism to the Ming, otherwise it would simply be called, Siu-Lum.

Hung Kuen is often called "sil lum hung kuen" or "sil lum tiger and crane style"

Some styles use it, others go for the more filial pai stuff in the name.

[TenTigers]

Hung Kuen is often called "sil lum hung kuen" or "sil lum tiger and crane style"

Some styles use it, others go for the more filial pai stuff in the name.
true, we use the term Siu Lum Hung Kuen and Hung-Gar interchangably, in fact our t-shirts say Siu Lum Hung Kuen.
I was just curious about why they left out the reason for Hung Hei-Guen's name being,"Hung," and the patriotic aspect. I guess each line has their own version, just as some WCK lines say Yim Wing Chun, others say Hope for the Future, or Beautiful Springtime, etc.

[David Jamieson]

true, we use the term Siu Lum Hung Kuen and Hung-Gar interchangably, in fact our t-shirts say Siu Lum Hung Kuen.
I was just curious about why they left out the reason for Hung Hei-Guen's name being,"Hung," and the patriotic aspect. I guess each line has their own version, just as some WCK lines say Yim Wing Chun, others say Hope for the Future, or Beautiful Springtime, etc.

I think as Hung men, it is our solemn duty to not get mixed up with those cantankerous and rowdy wing chun brats. :D or "sil lum lite" as it is called. :D :D

[wiz cool c]

Tiger Crane form? I'm sure there are people here who can comment.

Ok that is the wrong translation than. From what i can understand with my poor chinese and english translators helping me. It was created before the tiger cranes was put together. Does any one know the form learning a tiger form that I'm talking about?

I never saw anyone do it in the states, but remember seeing it in a lot of old shaw brother films, haha.

[No_Know]

book cover (http://www.wle.com//products/b070.html)

Heung Keun in China might have different teachings but the one I think of when I hear that very particular way--Hung Kuen.

From the pattern in this book as I recall it is a shao lin type. This branch salutes with the left palm out.

Dragon is first then Snake. Then Tiger.

It begins from the last animal forms last posture. Or from the last animal's form go into the beginning of the Tiger form...


...
Tiger tail kick-bend forward support yourself with the hands-knee to chest thrust foot out. step(unicorn/scissors stance (slight)pivot 270 degrees tigertail kick
getting-up both hands near shoulders.
Slice Bamboo both sides--palm slides along forearm
it ends right palm up near shoulder and left palm down at front waist.

Until I run through what I can recall that's all I recall sitting.

No_Know

[cerebus]

Ok that is the wrong translation than. From what i can understand with my poor chinese and english translators helping me. It was created before the tiger cranes was put together. Does any one know the form learning a tiger form that I'm talking about?

I never saw anyone do it in the states, but remember seeing it in a lot of old shaw brother films, haha.

Usually the form before Tiger/Crane is Gung Ji Fook Fu Kuen (Cross pattern taming the tiger form)...

[blackjesus]

Okay. You are talking about the "Tiger" part of Ng Ying Kuen (Five "shape".pattern Form). I haven't read the book but it is published by Leung Ting so :o

Ng Ying Kuen is a proper Hung Gar Form with the "pattern" of tiger/cheetah/dragon/snake/crane. There is also a Sup Ying Kuen (Ten "Shape"/pattern). which is tiger/cheetah/dragon/snake/crane/metal/wood/water/fire/earth.

[wiz cool c]

i was told the form is a tiger form. i don't see any other animals in the form. it has the common horse stance and four fingers bent pointer finger straight dynamic tension exercise, and the long uppercut punches. at one point in the form it has both arms extended in a tiger claw, one in front of the body while one is behind the body while standing on one leg.

[No_Know]

One called wiz cool c

What do you seek from the internet or videoclips that you think you cannot get from practice

You ask for things but what do you hope to achieve by getting what you ask?

No_Know

[wiz cool c]

{In the voice of a young Kwai Chang Kain } I wish to know the history of the form i just learned but i cannot get the proper translations master.

[diego]

My Kajukenbo has some tiger from the Mitose link my Hop ga techniques have a lot of tiger and the one and a half forms I know so far from Bak mei is total tiger...what's the historical connection between Kenpo, Lama, CLF, Hung ga and BM sharing Shaolin Lohan and 5 animal technique specifically for this topic the tiger shape?. I was told Hung Ga extends their tiger frame more...can any one elaborate on this and more?. :)

[wiz cool c]

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That tiger form inspired me to eat a chicken sandwich after being a vegetarian for 21 years, but it was just a one time thing. Still vegetarian.

[chusauli]

My Kajukenbo has some tiger from the Mitose link my Hop ga techniques have a lot of tiger and the one and a half forms I know so far from Bak mei is total tiger...what's the historical connection between Kenpo, Lama, CLF, Hung ga and BM sharing Shaolin Lohan and 5 animal technique specifically for this topic the tiger shape?. I was told Hung Ga extends their tiger frame more...can any one elaborate on this and more?. :)

It is said that "Tiger form trains the bones" - a look at the elongated stretching of the tiger form with its "Tun Yiu, Lok Ma" (Suck in waist, drop horse) shape puts a load of weight and stresses the body...thereby developing the bones.

Looking at the classical move "Mang Fu Ha Shan" is a good example (with GM Chiu Wai, from HK, a very good example):

http://www.hkhunggar.com/Chiu%20Wai%20876.JPG

[sanjuro_ronin]

Are those weights in the back ground I see ??
THE HORROR !!!!
:eek:


:D

[diego]

It is said that "Tiger form trains the bones" - a look at the elongated stretching of the tiger form with its "Tun Yiu, Lok Ma" (Suck in waist, drop horse) shape puts a load of weight and stresses the body...thereby developing the bones.

Looking at the classical move "Mang Fu Ha Shan" is a good example (with GM Chiu Wai, from HK, a very good example):

http://www.hkhunggar.com/Chiu%20Wai%20876.JPG


It's very interesting, in Bak Mei the stance is more extended at the front knee the bridges are a bit smaller but that same sunken square tiger is there..

In my fitness theory books one of them mentioned in the popular libraries of physical research out of 1000 articles maybe 448 will be on gymnastics and like 4 will be on martial art...this is terrible, it tells me that no matter how good your favorite TMA guy is if he trained in a laboratory setting he would be that much better as his training would be made more efficient.

I wonder what loopholes Kungfumagazine would have to go through to secure a grant to study Lohan & 5 Animals in nasa physical science labs:D once the monies are secured forum members and subscription holders can send in video of their forms for gene & the government to disect. This would be great ad campaign to get more subscribers and more knowledgeable contributors to the forum.


For now it would be cool to figure out how many popular drills are out there in the CMA world with similar tiger shapes but different fighting strengths & attitudes. Everyone presses and shoots claw straight in sunken stance..how many tiger Chin na's are popular in the Gung Fu circles?.

When the wushu movement came out in the Nixon days did the government of china do much research into the anatomy of Shaolin?.

[chusauli]

Are those weights in the back ground I see ??
THE HORROR !!!!
:eek:


:D

LOL! Nah, Traditional martial arts with weights?!

Hung Ga is known for the body building - in fact, to impress chicks, you need Hung Ga movie moves and weight training to the repetoire... big chest and arms help - and the low stances develop your legs - so no chicken legs here. :)

[sanjuro_ronin]

LOL! Nah, Traditional martial arts with weights?!

Hung Ga is known for the body building - in fact, to impress chicks, you need Hung Ga movie moves and weight training to the repetoire... big chest and arms help - and the low stances develop your legs - so no chicken legs here. :)

I remember when I got back with my first Hung Kuen Sifu a few years ago, he looked at me and said, " I am glad you are starting to look like a Hung MAN".
LMAO !!!

[chusauli]

I remember when I got back with my first Hung Kuen Sifu a few years ago, he looked at me and said, " I am glad you are starting to look like a Hung MAN".
LMAO !!!

Yes, the founder of Hung Ga was Wun Hung Lo, not Hung Hei Goon.

Not everyone can claim to be Hung Ga or a Hung Man. Its all in the way you open your stance - with grande huevos.

[cerebus]

Yes, the founder of Hung Ga was Wun Hung Lo, not Hung Hei Goon.

Not everyone can claim to be Hung Ga or a Hung Man. Its all in the way you open your stance - with grande huevos.

I've been told that I'm a rather "hung" man... :eek::D:p

[TenTigers]

yeah, hung like a hamster....:rolleyes:

[sanjuro_ronin]

Yes, the founder of Hung Ga was Wun Hung Lo, not Hung Hei Goon.

Not everyone can claim to be Hung Ga or a Hung Man. Its all in the way you open your stance - with grande huevos.

Robert has Fu Jow Pai'd the correct right in the prostate !

It is funny though because when I first did HK with this Sifu back in the late 80's, I was all of 140 lbs and when I got back with him a few years ago, I am now 170 ( at 5'-6") and pretty muscular and strong.
He said I was finally ready to be a Hung Fighter !!

[cerebus]

yeah, hung like a hamster....:rolleyes:

Heh, heh, well maybe a giant prehistoric hamster the size of a bull...:D

[TenTigers]

Heh, heh, well maybe a giant prehistoric hamster the size of a bull...:D

a Hamstersaurus Rex? :D

[cerebus]

a Hamstersaurus Rex? :D

LOL! :D :p

[secretgecko]

Not sure if you've checked it out yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTeH0NJabWA

Look familiar or not?

This is definitely NOT Lam Sai Wing lineage Hung Ga.

Looks more like Guantung or Hasayfu.

[David Jamieson]

It is guandong hung kuen.

Nicely played set.

I'd like to see applications with sets like that.