Conspiracy Theorists

[SanHeChuan]

What is the goal of the Illuminati or who ever? What will the NWO be like? How will it be different than now? What would the Illuminati get out of this?

[sanjuro_ronin]

What is the goal of the Illuminati or who ever? What will the NWO be like? How will it be different than now? What would the Illuminati get out of this?

Not much of a conspiracy when it seems that everyone knows about it.

[MightyB]

dude - it's not the illuminati or masons, they actually like freedom, liberty, equality and all that jazz.

It's those **** Bilderbergers! They're the one's who are out to get you. Get your conspiracies straight.

Oh crap... I posted their name "Bilderbergers"... now I'm on the list :eek:

Google it! Google it now! Fight the power!

[1bad65]

Whether or not you believe this stuff, the goal would be the power.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Power is just a means to an end, the end?
http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/5/20/633784167321825360-bananas.jpg

[hskwarrior]

is this a conspiracy to get me to eat bananas?

[sanjuro_ronin]

Or multitask
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[sanjuro_ronin]

Personally I think the biggest conspiracy is belts !
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[sanjuro_ronin]

http://ggwhy.com/OG/random/stfu.jpg

[David Jamieson]

What is the goal of the Illuminati or who ever? What will the NWO be like? How will it be different than now? What would the Illuminati get out of this?

The goal:

1. unified world government for planet earth.
2. obliteration of sovereign nations to that end
3. rule of law implemented everywhere
4. resource and climate control on a global scale
5. end hunger
6. end war
7. end suffering
8. end tribalism and religious thought
9. seek out new worlds

It's actually a great idea! the problem is the sticks in the mud really who want to continue on their hapless dance down the garden path of selfishness.

[Hardwork108]

What is the goal of the Illuminati or who ever?
The goal for the people behind the NWO is a One World Government or more correctly, a World Dictatorship!



What will the NWO be like?
How will it be different than now? What would the Illuminati get out of this?

The cult behind the NWO will get total global control out of this. It will be a dictatorship where people will be no more than slaves serving the Big Brother World Government.

If you live in the Western Hemisphere then you will have already felt the unveiling of the Big Brother society and this is in preparation for the onset of the Global Dictatorship.

The excuses used for the increased surveillance are usually on the same lines, such as, "War on Terrorism", a problem created by the same people who are now "fighting" it.

You also have the "Global Warming" problem which requires global solutions, hence more regulations, taxes, fines, and depending where you live, surveillance.

By the way, the "Global Warming" as it is presented to the public is a total and utter shameless scam!

There is also the "we must fight crime" excuse for more cameras and other surveillance all over the place. This is happening in countries where for decades they would refuse to punish criminals because of "human rights"reasons and "loop holes" in the law, created by the same authorities who now spy on everyone to "protect" them from the big bad criminals.

It is all a scam!

Local industries in the US and other developed countries have been destroyed through the promotion of the so called "free trade". The reason for this has been to stop countries being self sufficient and always dependent on other countries. Read, Global Family dependence!

This way, countries will be discouraged to break off from the "global family" as they will all be interdependent.

Many naive people (or more accurately, IDIOTS!) believe that this is being done for the good of the world and that every body will be equal and living happily ever after. These people fail to realize that the psychopaths pushing for the NWO are the same people who have created the death, mayhem and suffering to push people into accepting this very order. Examples: 9-11; war in Afghanistan; war in Iraq; unrest in African countries, etc.

These people and their politician goons, not only don't care about the masses, they look upon them as cattle. That is if you don't belong to their CULT then you are not considered as a human being. Of course, they never say that loud, but their actions speak louder than words!

Basically, the people behind the NWO are old banking and corporate families who have ruled politics and politicians for generations. These are the people who have for centuries financed (and started) wars, revolutions, murder and mayhem for their own profits and benefits. The politicians who serve them are no more than serving prostitutes and in some cases are related to those same families.

The aim is to divide the world into regions and the regions in turn will be ruled by the main UNELECTED governing body. The European Community is one such region and already some of the decisions are made by unelected bureaucrats sitting in Brussels. Their decisions override the member countries' parliaments. So what you are looking at is a Fascist or soon to be Fascist system of government.

There are plans to unify the Americas, the Far East, Africa and the Middle East into regions as well. You may have heard of the developments in that regard. One of the NWO aims is to get rid of money, as in cash, and replace it with electronic credit. Some researchers say that their final aim is to microchip the whole world population. The microchips will contain your financial (as in a credit card), your health and other information. The authorities will also be able to track your every move.

The situation is very serious but don't take my word for it. There is a lot of research out there which you should look at, and by the way, this is called conspiracy RESEARCH and NOT "theory"!

Also, just look around you and see what is happening. You will see that your freedoms are being eroded by the day by laws that are supposedly "protecting" you from terrorists. Check out the latest US government powers to come into your home, to arrest you; to imprison you. Check out your president's executive powers during a "national emergency" (that could be merely arranged by another "terrorist" incident), which by pass the Congress.

By the way, check out the documentaries on my signature on the bottom of this page, below. There is a lot info there, watch them and then look at what is happening in the Western hemisphere.

[SanHeChuan]

The aim is to divide the world into regions and the regions in turn will be ruled by the main UNELECTED governing body.

Why would having a dictatorship be better that the illusion of a democracy we "have" now?

If you openly repress people you make yourself a target. If you give people the illusion of freedom you won’t incur their collective wrath.

What more will these people get out of a dictatorship than the current system?
Why not just spend every day swimming in their pools of gold?
If people are cattle what do they care what we do?
They want power to what end?


There is also the "we must fight crime" excuse for more cameras and other surveillance all over the place.

Camera’s can’t even identify criminals most of the time, they don’t deter crime well either, so how are they going to be used to oppress us if they are so in effectual. Shame us into submission with low quality voyeur porn?

[David Jamieson]

Why would having a dictatorship be better that the illusion of a democracy we "have" now?

If you openly repress people you make yourself a target. If you give people the illusion of freedom you won’t incur their collective wrath.

What more will these people get out of a dictatorship than the current system?
Why not just spend every day swimming in their pools of gold?
If people are cattle what do they care what we do?
They want power to what end?



Camera’s can’t even identify criminals most of the time, they don’t deter crime well either, so how are they going to be used to oppress us if they are so in effectual. Shame us into submission with low quality voyeur porn?

why do you even bother to argue with the loon? lol

seriously, the NWO will be awesome!

It will be a one world government that functions as a social democracy.
You can still get rich, you can still have a good job, you can still grow apples in your yard if you like.

The paranoid conspiracy idiots aren't worth listening to for the most part and they really are becoming boys who cry wolf.

The world is poorly controlled and governed now. There must be unity. It is not right that a few countries are wealthy and can apply social programs to their people but other countries are abjectly impoverished and their people go hungry.

About 1/3 of the worlds population is hungry, living in poor conditions, lacks medical care or clean water.

this is unacceptable and the sooner we can alleviate that through a combined effort the better.

[Hardwork108]

Why would having a dictatorship be better that the illusion of a democracy we "have" now?
That is a good question.

It seems that those in charge want total control. We are talking about an insecure and extremely evil mindset.And it seems that the NWO was planned a long time ago.


If you openly repress people you make yourself a target. If you give people the illusion of freedom you won’t incur their collective wrath.
Again, good points and that is how the illusion of Democracy has worked so far, however, there are a few significant points to consider.

One, if the whole world is controlled then there would not be any examples to look at for the brainwashed/dominated population. They will be born into the system and that is all they will know. That is why we and our generation have so much responsibility if we let this happen. We know better as we have seen other examples. The next generation will not be so lucky!

Secondly, the technology available to impose a dictatorship and control every aspect of our lives is frighteningly advanced. As you can see, as the months go by a surveillance society of an advanced nature is being installed all over the place, using the usual excuses of "terrorism", "crime prevention", etc.

My third point will answer your next questions:


What more will these people get out of a dictatorship than the current system?
Why not just spend every day swimming in their pools of gold?
If people are cattle what do they care what we do?
They want power to what end?
It seems that many people are waking up to what is really happening in the world. They are realizing more and more that the real power structure of any "Democracy" is hidden in the shadows, so to speak. So, nothing more than total control will guarantee the survival of the elite.


Camera’s can’t even identify criminals most of the time,

Well, that is not what I heard even though I can appreciate the fact that criminals can disguise and or hide their faces.


they don’t deter crime well either, so how are they going to be used to oppress us if they are so in effectual. Shame us into submission with low quality voyeur porn?

The reason they don't deter crime is that they were not installed to stop crime, even if that was the cover used. Of course, once in a while criminals are caught or even deterred, but the fact is that the cameras are there to keep an eye on the public at large.

Furthermore, the increased crime that resulted in the deployment of the cameras in the first place, was due to the impunity (by design) of the law. This impunity still continues so the crime will keep increasing until the desired amount of cameras (and other surveillance mechanisms) are installed.

To conclude, what is happening in the world today is very disturbing. The fact is that if you look around then you will see all this stuff developing around you and more overtly than ever. It seems that the powers that be, are in a hurry, as more and more people are waking up to their motives, which have nothing to do with dealing with human problems that millions of the world population suffer. That is one of their cover stories to justify the NWO.

Why would they care, anyhow? Aren't these same people behind all the wars, injustices and hunger that the earth suffers from, in the first place? Of course, they are. They have created the problem and now they are offering the traumatized masses the solution.

[Drake]

Nobody is trying to take away your broadsword and tunic, HW.

[sanjuro_ronin]

The NWO is not impressed with being mentioned here
http://www.panicmanual.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/nwo.jpg

[David Jamieson]

The NWO is not impressed with being mentioned here
http://www.panicmanual.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/nwo.jpg

isn't dude on the left dead now?

[Hardwork108]

why do you even bother to argue with the loon? lol

seriously, the NWO will be awesome!
SanHeChuan, if you are reading this then here is a brainwashed subject, made earlier by the system.;)


It will be a one world government that functions as a social democracy.
You can still get rich, you can still have a good job, you can still grow apples in your yard if you like.
And there will be blue colored pigs flying all over the place.:rolleyes:


The paranoid conspiracy idiots aren't worth listening to for the most part and they really are becoming boys who cry wolf.
If you had any brains you would not talk like that, but we know that you have at least some brains, otherwise you would not have been brainwashed to start with.


The world is poorly controlled and governed now.
It may be poorly controlled because every time people elect an honest leader who cares for his country and wants to do the right thing he is REMOVED from power by the so called "Democratic" powers. For example, see the Coup d'état in Chile, Brasil, Argentina, etc. and see what the fallen leaders were replaced with by the same people who are preaching the NWO to us nowadays?!!!



There must be unity. It is not right that a few countries are wealthy and can apply social programs to their people
Not all wealthy countries apply decent social programs!!!

There is never enough money, or haven't you heard? Of course, there is always enough money to wage wars in far away lands to steal their local resources.
There is always enough money to spend millions of dollars on surveillance cameras, etc................


but other countries are abjectly impoverished and their people go hungry.
Perhaps not so many countries would have been impoverished if the Western "Democracies" did not remove freely elected governments and replace them with cut throat dictators????


About 1/3 of the worlds population is hungry, living in poor conditions, lacks medical care or clean water.
For more details see US and European (secret) foreign policy and intelligence agency activities in the so called Third World countries.


this is unacceptable and the sooner we can alleviate that through a combined effort the better.
And it is ok for the "combined" effort to be led by the same people who have created untold death and misery for millions of people? It is alright to put these people in charge of a World Government???

I bet if you were alive in the 1930s you would have backed HItler's efforts for "united" Europe.....The Bushes, Clintons and Kissingers of this world are as bad as Hitler, except perhaps Hitler did not get involved in drugs dealing, but then perhaps he never had the opportunity....

What you and people like you don't realize is that a Fascist mindset is behind the NWO. Just look at the past behavior of the political proponents of NWO and you will see a behavior that is nothing but Nazi-esk and psychopathical.

The facts are right in front of whomever has the guts and the brains to empty their cup and just look, as these conspirators do not even bother to hide their real agenda as much as they used to!

So, in short, WAKE UP!!!

[sanjuro_ronin]

isn't dude on the left dead now?

I don't follow wrestling so I don't know.
I was actually looking for a NWO t shirt on some babe with big boobs, but all I coudl find was this, LOL !!

[kfson]

I don't follow wrestling so I don't know.
I was actually looking for a NWO t shirt on some babe with big boobs, but all I coudl find was this, LOL !!

Got it for you:

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[sanjuro_ronin]

Oivey !!!!!

[goju]

isn't dude on the left dead now?

no hes still alive i saw him the other day while i was channel surfing

hes really turned out to be wasteoid with the booze and what not though

looks like the guy from that highlander series if he let himself go lol

[sihing]

One has to research this stuff for themselves. Some of the "theories" are pretty farfetched, some are not. But if one is true, then it gives so much more credibility to the others, or at the least people should take a closer look at them.

Jessie Ventura has a show on all them, you can watch them on youtube, just type in his name and they will start to come up. The show looks a bit too dramtic for me, but he makes alot of sense. They say the best way to get control of a society is too make the citizen's fearful, well guess what, 9/11 did just that, and now the US gov't, if they've labeled you a suspected terrorist which is easy for them to say, can do virutally anything with you thru the Patriot act. Each and every year there are more and more laws passed that take more and more freedoms away from the average person. And if that is not enough, they tax you to death so that you can't do anything anyways, lol. They say we are living in free country, that's a lie because most all of us are slaves to something, money, job, status, or just plain old dysfunctional thinking and compulsiveness. Whomever it was, they planned this out very well, so much so that it is on automatic pilot. If you think you have not succumbed to this, then test yourself, don't buy the latest gadgit, or see the latest hit movies, or refrain from what the flock is doing. See how long you can last?

James

[Drake]

Actually, lots of people live their lives without that stuff. Some do it to save money, and some do it because they aren't interested in seeing Avatar. And some just prefer other things.

[sihing]

Actually, lots of people live their lives without that stuff. Some do it to save money, and some do it because they aren't interested in seeing Avatar. And some just prefer other things.

Being interesting in THINGS is okay, but once you identify with them, then the problems begin.

The question then is, if they had money, would they let it be their master? Money, in this example, is just a tool, but that is not what is taught or learned in our general society. People are being killed because of money, just look at drug cartel problem in Mexico, or the crime problem in any city or town. Or just look at the health care problem in the US, people have been denied treatment because of what, MONEY, they don't have any so they don't get treatment. But guess what, the treatment is still available, it is just a choice. It's ridiculous if you look at it a certain way.

Of course I'm generalizing here, not every American (or Canadian or whatever country you are from) is like this, but on the whole the society is screwed, and IMO this is something that has been implemented slowly over the generations.

Everytime I go to a airport, it is rare that I find someone without a ipod or blackberry in their hands, twitting away or listening to something, it's like no one is capable of dealing with silence or the ability to be with themselves quietly. This is in place to never allow anyone to learn about themselves, they become addicted to noise or distraction, and are unable to be quietly sitting somewhere without compulsive thinking taking over, I can just imagine what is going to happen when the younger generation ages, if they don't have their gadgets they don't function. I don't call this a healthy society/living, lol. I myself do not own a ipod nor blackberry, just an ordinary cell phone, my only electronic device beside my desktop computer.

James

[Hardwork108]

One has to research this stuff for themselves.
That is the best way to verify things. Many people refuse to research this stuff because it simply takes them out of their comfort zone and scares them!

Others, don't research because they see themselves as too smart to be duped by the system. The attitude is of, "I would have known if the government, big business,etc, was doing something fishy, after all I have a degree from XYZ University".

And yet there are others who are simply dense. Their "antenna" does not detect the unfolding conspiracy because in their simple and black and white world, they trust their government because the y naively say, "The US government would not do anything that is against the interest of the American people".


Some of the "theories" are pretty farfetched, some are not. But if one is true, then it gives so much more credibility to the others, or at the least people should take a closer look at them.
Again, most people are afraid to look or they are simply "too smart"....


Jessie Ventura has a show on all them, you can watch them on youtube, just type in his name and they will start to come up. The show looks a bit too dramtic for me, but he makes alot of sense.
I will have a look at what he has to say. The fact is that many people are waking up and asking questions. Sometimes the government will attempt to shut them up and other times the rest of the brainwashed population will do the same. It is self censorship and this is any dictator's dream.


They say the best way to get control of a society is too make the citizen's fearful, well guess what, 9/11 did just that, and now the US gov't, if they've labeled you a suspected terrorist which is easy for them to say, can do virutally anything with you thru the Patriot act. Each and every year there are more and more laws passed that take more and more freedoms away from the average person. And if that is not enough, they tax you to death so that you can't do anything anyways, lol. They say we are living in free country, that's a lie because most all of us are slaves to something, money, job, status, or just plain old dysfunctional thinking and compulsiveness. Whomever it was, they planned this out very well, so much so that it is on automatic pilot. If you think you have not succumbed to this, then test yourself, don't buy the latest gadgit, or see the latest hit movies, or refrain from what the flock is doing. See how long you can last?

One of the main roots of modern slavery comes from our credit culture. If you follow the money trail then it will lead to the major banks or more correctly their owners. It is also worth checking the US government dept, specifically what it owes to the Federal Reserve, that is a privately owned bank. It's existance is unconstitutional, as it is a private bank in charge of printing US dollars which it lends to the government and charges it interest on it. Guess, where the US government gets the money to pay this interest? Well, your taxes of course, specifically the Income tax which it collects through the IRS, an organization which would make the Nazi SS proud.

The above paragraph is a reference to one of the biggest scams in history. It is the responsibility of every Amerian citizen to research and investigate the above and find out why almost all leading politicians are so silent about this infringement on their constituion, which by the way, does not see a US citizen's private work labor as taxable, as it considers it his or her private property.

Once one researches deeper then one sees that not all of the far fetched stuff is so far fetched after all, but it seems that people are waking up. Many people have busted the Global Warming scam into bits and shown Al Gore to be the dishonest crook that he is.

Some of the same people and others have shot a million holes in the official 9-11 story and it is falling apart.

The same is happening to the official version of 7th of July bombings in London, where one of the "Islamic Fanatics" who hated the West so much that he was willing to kill himself, decided to have a quick snack at Mc Donald's before going on to meet Allah. Furthermore, him and at least some of his colleagues had bough RETURN train tickets on the day. The whole official story is in shambles but because of the "sheep mindedness" of the general population the UK (and the US) governments get away by just repeating the same lies.

Furthermore, even some of the most brown nosed followers (sheep) of the authorities version of events, have finally realised that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Let us hope that this trend continues and more and more people wake up because I really believe that we are living in the eve of a global dictatorship and we are heading there faster by the day......

[Hardwork108]

Being interesting in THINGS is okay, but once you identify with them, then the problems begin.

The question then is, if they had money, would they let it be their master? Money, in this example, is just a tool, but that is not what is taught or learned in our general society. People are being killed because of money, just look at drug cartel problem in Mexico, or the crime problem in any city or town. Or just look at the health care problem in the US, people have been denied treatment because of what, MONEY, they don't have any so they don't get treatment. But guess what, the treatment is still available, it is just a choice. It's ridiculous if you look at it a certain way.

Of course I'm generalizing here, not every American (or Canadian or whatever country you are from) is like this, but on the whole the society is screwed, and IMO this is something that has been implemented slowly over the generations.

Everytime I go to a airport, it is rare that I find someone without a ipod or blackberry in their hands, twitting away or listening to something, it's like no one is capable of dealing with silence or the ability to be with themselves quietly. This is in place to never allow anyone to learn about themselves, they become addicted to noise or distraction, and are unable to be quietly sitting somewhere without compulsive thinking taking over, I can just imagine what is going to happen when the younger generation ages, if they don't have their gadgets they don't function. I don't call this a healthy society/living, lol. I myself do not own a ipod nor blackberry, just an ordinary cell phone, my only electronic device beside my desktop computer.

James

It is refreshing to see someone like you who is aware of the bigger picture. :)

The problem goes much further than gadgets. The population is being dumbed down through the education system; through TV; Cinema and even chemicals such as Aspartame and Fluoride, and many others, that are allowed into our food chain. The electromagnetic pollution is not doing our brains any favors either.

Some researchers say that the above type of contamination makes it difficult for us to live calm lives that would fascilitate our higher awareness. Others say that this type of pollution also effects our chakras and stops them from opening. In short the human body and MIND is under attack from all angles and this is allowed to happen by our governments who are there to protect us and look after our interest.

Again, many people are "waking up" and realizing that top level politicians belong to "cults" of power whose leaders they serve and while treating the rest of the population with contempt. The evidence of this is all around us if we only empty the glass and look at the world with open minds and honesty.

[Drake]

Research = Google


Weak.

[David Jamieson]

Research = Google


Weak.

You have touched on the real kicker here.

With web 2.0, google "research" is rendered moot.

Researching conspiracies on the internet will dead end in about teh first 15 minutes as you continuously wind up at the same sites over and over again.

reading drivel and collecting it is not research either.

Connections in historical events with peoples names applied and physical evidence is always more valuable. I don't think many people actually step out of the house to do their research when it comes right down to conspiracy theories.

It's just stimulating information presented as an alternative to reading perez hilton.

would you rather read about the possibility of nazi ufos or would you like to read perez hiltons perspective on brittney murphies untimely death?

Me, I'm all over that nazi ufo stuff! lol

[mawali]

With web 2.0, google "research" is rendered moot.

Researching conspiracies on the internet will dead end in about teh first 15 minutes as you continuously wind up at the same sites over and over again.

Connections in historical events with peoples names applied and physical evidence is always more valuable. I don't think many people actually step out of the house to do their research when it comes right down to conspiracy theories.

Me, I'm all over that nazi ufo stuff! lol

Good point. For rational people, they will find the truth immediately but there are people out there who not only find delight in conspiracies, they actually believe and put their ignorance into full fledged reality of their own making.
It never ceases and never will despite the Internet.

Middle Ages (as in Black Death era) is still amongst us!:eek:

[sanjuro_ronin]

If you think you have not succumbed to this, then test yourself, don't buy the latest gadgit, or see the latest hit movies, or refrain from what the flock is doing. See how long you can last?

Never have and probably never will be part of that crowd.
Sounds like a good thing I guess, lOL !

[Hardwork108]

Research = Google


Weak.

What you miss is the fact that there is a lot of relevant information on ANY subject matter on the internet. To simply say that a piece of information is not valid because it is on the internet shows a deliberate attempt to distract attention away from uncomfortable (for you) subject matters.

By the way, there are a lot of conspiracy researchers that put their information out in books as well - just in case you didn't know. However, at times when the "you are with us or against us", or "you are with us or with the terrorists" doctrine is at full swing, then the internet becomes a very practical medium to make this info available to the public, as the controlled media and their lap dog "journalists" will not touch anything that will endanger their cushy jobs and careers.

As mentioned before, the Weapons of Mass Destruction scam has been exposed for what it was. Of course, the people who said that this was just an excuse to go to war with Iraq were surely described as Conspiracy "Theorists", before the war by the same people who have gone rather quite now.

And again, the official story of 9-11 when a group of heavy drinking and at least with one of them cocaine snorting, Islamic "terrorists", who were also fond of lap dancing clubs,(:rolleyes: ) hijacked commercial airliners at the same time as a hijack scenario military exercise was taking place over the same airspace (what are the chances of that happening????), smashed them into the Twin Towers, which eventually came down in a straight line together with a third building called building 7, which was not even hit by any planes. It was sympathy pains no doubt!!!

Apparently one of the hijackers passports survived the fire balls and building collapses. Another hijacker failed to check in his luggage where "evidence" against him was found, together with a copy of the all important Koran, which these guys seemed to leave everywhere, even in the lap dancing club.....LOL

Yes Mr "P'rrrrsident" is would not lie.....LOL

[Hardwork108]

You have touched on the real kicker here.

With web 2.0, google "research" is rendered moot.

Researching conspiracies on the internet will dead end in about teh first 15 minutes as you continuously wind up at the same sites over and over again.
The fact that you call this research or at least jumble it under the title of Conspiracy "Theories" shows that you are just biased before you even start.

Let me refresh your "mind" -

The fact that the Federal Reserve is a private bank is not a "theory" anymore.

The fact that no one officially knows who its shareholders are is not a "theory".

The fact that the existance and the resultant activities of the Federal Reserve go against what was written in the US Constitution is not a "theory".

The fact that there is no US law that requires citizens to pay tax on their private labor is not "theory"!

The fact that there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq, is not a "theory".

And now, the "Global Warming" scam, which is promoted by our dear "friend" Al Gore, the conman crook! Yes, the world is coming to an end and it is all our faults, but not to worry Al "the crook" Gore has the solution. Yes, more taxes, laws and infringements on our freedoms, and a World Government.....:rolleyes:

This is scam is also falling apart as we speak. LOL

It would be easier to interact with the likes of you if you were not acting like brainwashed zombies!


reading drivel and collecting it is not research either.
Are you referring to what passes for journalism nowadays?


Connections in historical events with peoples names applied and physical evidence is always more valuable. I don't think many people actually step out of the house to do their research when it comes right down to conspiracy theories.

Many of the people who do the research, who then write the books and make the documentaries do step out of their house.

By the way, do you step out of the house to check out the crap that passes for the news you see through your TV set? Oh you don't? Of course not, I mean whoever heard of politicians lying? Or Intelligence Agency reports being false and misleading? Yes, anyone who says so is a Conspiracy Theorists. LOL


Me, I'm all over that nazi ufo stuff! lol
If your worshiped New World Order is established then you will be living the "Nazi stuff". You poor, naive soul, you really don't have an idea, do you?

[Drake]

You're still googling "secrets". That doesn't even pass the common sense test.

[MightyB]

What's funny is that I had a conspiracy theorist teacher when I was in high school in the early 90s. He said that the US had a plan to invade and occupy an area in the Middle East and that it was part of the "football" package that you see traveling with the President (black briefcase strapped to an aide). It was supposed to be enacted when the reserves hit a specific low point.

[Hardwork108]

You're still googling "secrets". That doesn't even pass the common sense test.

Predictable response from a US Army intelligence officer. Yes, just ignore the facts presented and keep repeating the lies as there are enough sheep out there - and apparently here in the forums - who will believe you.

So lets repeat together, "there are Weapons of Mass Destruction hidden in Iraq"...:rolleyes:

Let us continue, repeat together, "The earth is getting hot and we are all going to die if we don't listen to Al 'the' crook" Gore".

And now, let us repeat together, "Building 7 went down on 9-11 because of sympathy pains for its fellow buildings, the Twin Towers, that had gone down before".

Ok, let us start from the top, first put your fingers in your ears and go "la, la, la, la" ten times and then repeat the above........:rolleyes:

[Drake]

How is an internet website a fact?

[Hardwork108]

What's funny is that I had a conspiracy theorist teacher when I was in high school in the early 90s. He said that the US had a plan to invade and occupy an area in the Middle East and that it was part of the "football" package that you see traveling with the President (black briefcase strapped to an aide). It was supposed to be enacted when the reserves hit a specific low point.

Apparently, your teacher was a conspiracy nut. The US did not invade the Middle East for oil. They invaded because there are Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq and also because they wanted to save the Iraqi people from their big bad dictator, Saddam Hussein, who had gassed his own people (using chemical weapons bought from the US....LOL).

Yes, that was the real reason for the invasion and massacre of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraquis. It was for their own good and to stop Saddam Hussein from eventually poison gassing the entire population of Montana...LOL

It had nothing to do with oil. Anyone who says otherwise is an "internet" Conspiracy "theorist".....

[Hardwork108]

How is an internet website a fact?

How is everything you hear on the TV a "fact"?

Also, as I said before there are books and documentaries by researchers who don't happen to be in the employment of the US military.;)

[Drake]

How is everything you hear on the TV a "fact"?

Also, as I said before there are books and documentaries by researchers who don't happen to be in the employment of the US military.;)

So if it's in a book it must be true? But, that is beside the point. You are avoiding my question. How is an internet webpage a fact?

[Drake]

Oh, and I was in intelligence before and after 9/11, so I get my facts from sources other than TV.

[Hardwork108]

Oh, and I was in intelligence before and after 9/11, so I get my facts from sources other than TV.

Your "sources" indoctrinate you so that you follow the "party line". It is a well known fact that the general population are subject to propaganda 24/7, but those in the military are brainwashed to even higher degrees, as the system cannot afford for the soldiers and generals to wake up, because if they do then the establishment will lose its power enforcers.

The job that you do is compartmentalized and you are told what you need to know. You guys never see the bigger picture if it is not relevant to what is required of you.

You think that you know, but the fact is that you don't!

[Hardwork108]

So if it's in a book it must be true?

So if Mr "Prrrr' sident" says so, then it must be true, because politicians don't lie????

What about the Weapons of Mass Destruction? Global Warming? Building number 7 on 9-11? Booze drinking Arab "terrorists" who were also fans of lap dancing clubs?


But, that is beside the point. You are avoiding my question. How is an internet webpage a fact?

Wether anything written in a web page, book, newspaper, or an intelligence memo/document, is a fact or not, is dependent on WHAT is written and not necessarily on where it is written.

So, your constant attempts to discredit information because they happened to appear on the internet is meaningless and shows the transparency of your own agenda!

So, I will ask you, how is a piece of info that appears on the internet, automatically, not a fact?

[Drake]

Still waiting...

[Hardwork108]

Still waiting...

You are still playing mind games, and it is not working for you.

Your question has been answered in the above post but feel free to avoid the issue and do continue with your "military" tactics, as the more you maintain your position the more you show yourself as a (military) person with an agenda......

[Drake]

You are still playing mind games, and it is not working for you.

Your question has been answered in the above post but feel free to avoid the issue and do continue with your "military" tactics, as the more you maintain your position the more you show yourself as a (military) person with an agenda......

Explain to me how an internet website is suddenly fact. You can't, can you?

[Hardwork108]

Explain to me how an internet website is suddenly fact. You can't, can you?

Who said that all that is written in an internet website is "suddenly" a fact? Please stop putting words into my mouth!

[Drake]

Who said that all that is written in an internet website is "suddenly" a fact? Please stop putting words into my mouth!

But your "facts" are primarily internet website references, yes? How is that not true? And fyi...youtube is still an internet website...

[Hardwork108]

But your "facts" are primarily internet website references, yes?

Actually no!

You have got this whole thing wrong.


How is that not true? And fyi...youtube is still an internet website...

FYI, Youtube is not a conspiracy site. A lot of the political stuff on Youtube is official government stuff. Would you consider the official info on Youtube incorrect, just because it appears there? LOL

[Drake]

Actually no!

You have got this whole thing wrong.



FYI, Youtube is not a conspiracy site. A lot of the political stuff on Youtube is official government stuff. Would you consider the official info on Youtube incorrect, just because it appears there? LOL

Ok, then. Where DO most of your references come from? Last I checked, most of your "responses" come with web links to sites that are convinced evil men in black suits come for their children every night. And youtube is open source, and you can put anything out there without review or scrutiny by anyone. I could easily make a convincing documentary about how Martians caused 9/11. It's at the same level of academic poorness as using wikipedia. I would no more take seriously an article using youtube as a reference as I would one citing a wikipedia page. Do you know anything about citations and credibility?

[sihing]

There's lots of misinformation on the internet, just like there is in the public library, on TV, or when someone gives a lecture somewhere. We all have to have a source where our information is coming from, to say anyone source is all bad or all good is naive. What I like about the internet is that it is the mostly widely available source, all kinds of people can say all kinds of things, but it is all there. One has to go thru it all and use their critical thinking and common sense to filter what is BS and what is legit. Each of us may have different ideas as to what is BS and what is legit but that is the beauty of a free thinking society, at least they haven't taken that away from us yet:eek:

James

[David Jamieson]

There's lots of misinformation on the internet, just like there is in the public library, on TV, or when someone gives a lecture somewhere. We all have to have a source where our information is coming from, to say anyone source is all bad or all good is naive. What I like about the internet is that it is the mostly widely available source, all kinds of people can say all kinds of things, but it is all there. One has to go thru it all and use their critical thinking and common sense to filter what is BS and what is legit. Each of us may have different ideas as to what is BS and what is legit but that is the beauty of a free thinking society, at least they haven't taken that away from us yet:eek:

James

well said James.

I would only add that we may also have differing ideas on what is worth agreeing to disagree about and what is worth fighting for.

[Dragonzbane76]

Do you know anything about citations and credibility?

Look who you are talking to... really, you have to ask this question? I mean look who your talking to.

[Hardwork108]

Ok, then. Where DO most of your references come from?
Well, if it is any of your business then people like John Pilger and Willian Engdahl are people whose works I have read and therefore use as reference. There are others of course.



Last I checked, most of your "responses" come with web links to sites that are convinced evil men in black suits come for their children every night
:confused:

Seriously, when are you going to stop misrepresenting the facts that I bring to discussions such as this one.

By the way, just a hint, if you are going to instinctively ridicule and "debunk" anything that goes against the official version of a give story, you should have in mind that most of us here know that your are employed by the US Millitary Intelligence, and that thanks to your own "indiscretion".

What this means that your constant vindication, attempts at disinformation and slander together with your blind refusal to look at the big picture, are very transparent to those of us who do not suffer from the Single Brain Cell Syndrom.;)


And youtube is open source, and you can put anything out there without review or scrutiny by anyone.

Well review the following facts that are on YouTube (and in written literature):

How the Twin Towers came straight down as in a controlled demolition. Keep in mind eye witness (including police officers and firefighters) reports of explosions instants before the demolition.

The demolition of the third building, building 7.

The fact that the said "hijackers" who were presented to us as Islamic fanatics, mad enough to kill themselves for Allah, but who also didn't mind getting drunk and visiting lap dancing clubs. Not to mention that they apparently left copy of the koran every where they went as well as Boeing fllight manuels.....LOL

DOn' t they seem kind of absent minded for supposedly highly trained terrorists? LOL


I could easily make a convincing documentary about how Martians caused 9/11.

NO you couldn't. There are not proofs that Martians exist. There is no historical file on their existance. However, everybody is aware of the existance of the US Intelligence agencies such as the CIA and their history of ruthlessness all around the world, from the Middle East to Latin America, and even within the US.

One of the examples of this is when the Intelligence services proposed to carry out False Flag operations within the US, including hijacking of airliners, where US citizens would be killed and the blame would be put on Fidel Castro, giving the US an excuse to invade. The proposal was made to John F Kennedy and he refused.

All this happened in the 1960's. Just imagine the technological capabilities of today if instead of Kennedy you had the village idiot, psychopath G.W. Bush....



It's at the same level of academic poorness as using wikipedia. I would no more take seriously an article using youtube as a reference as I would one citing a wikipedia page. Do you know anything about citations and credibility?

Well, if you want to test the concept of "credibility" then you can save a lot of time and start with the US government's official version of 9-11 and the invasion of Iraq. YOu can also go further and look at the UK government's official version of the 7th of July bombings, which is almost as hilarious.

While you are at it, look at the OFFICIAL cause of "Global Warming" put forward by the international CON-MAN Al Gore. Don't you ever wonder who pulls his strings?

[Drake]

Uh huh... $20 says you've never even been to ground zero. But I bet those sloppily edited flicks on youtube with sound dubbing errors is plenty evidence for you. :)

[Hardwork108]

Look who you are talking to... really, you have to ask this question? I mean look who your talking to.

Look, we are having a serious discussion here so try to make some relevant contributions to the subject matter, otherwise, show some respect for everyone and keep out of it.

Thanks in advance.

[Drake]

Look, we are having a serious discussion here so try to make some relevant contributions to the subject matter, otherwise, show some respect for everyone and keep out of it.

Thanks in advance.

This isn't a serious discussion. You are obsessed with internet conspiracy theories. It's amusement for me.

[Hardwork108]

Uh huh... $20 says you've never even been to ground zero. But I bet those sloppily edited flicks on youtube with sound dubbing errors is plenty evidence for you. :)

A lot of my evidence comes from common sense, and that in turn comes from a free thinking mind.;)

By the way, are you hinting that you were at ground zero yourself? If so maybe you were the one who found one of the "terrorists' " passports.

Isn't it amazing that the official version tells us that the fire balls from the aircraft crashing were hot enough to bring down both buildings the way they did, but at the same time they tell us that they found one of the terrorists' passports in the street....:rolleyes:

Personally, I am just amazed that they did not find another copy of the Koran on ground zero...LOL

Seriously, they get away with these many lies because literary millions of people - such as yourself - have given their minds away to their so called "leaders"!!!!!

[Drake]

"Here are the Top 5 Truther Myths and debunkings for your files:

Myth No. 1: Four novice pilots with no experience could never have successfully guided those planes into three out of four targets.

Fact: The hijackers were not experienced pilots, nor had they ever piloted commercial airliners, but they also didn’t have to do any of the three most difficult flying maneuvers—flying in inclement weather, taking off, or landing. Only four of the hijackers were trained to fly—one for each flight. Three of the four had trained and earned private pilot’s licenses. The fourth, Hani Hanjour (American Airlines Flight 77) had both a private and commercial license, and experience with small commercial aircraft.

All were trained in auto-pilot and navigational systems, and would have only had to plug in GPS coordinates and point the planes in the right direction to hit their targets. The day was clear, the targets were clearer. Experts conclude their skills would have been more than sufficient to finish their missions.

Myth No. 2: The “official story” concludes that fires set off by the jet fuel and initial explosions of the aircraft entering the World Trade Center towers caused the steel structure to weaken and eventually fail. But “no large, steel-frame, fire-protected building had ever collapsed before due solely to fire,” is how the book “Debunking 9/11 Myths” restates the idea. Theorists conclude it must have been controlled demolition that led to collapse.

Fact: Each plane was carrying thousands of pounds of jet fuel, which burns at 2,190 degrees Fahrenheit, a great deal lower than the temperature required to melt steel (2,750).

Experts and investigations conclude that steel didn’t have to melt to cause collapse. Instead, the planes entering the buildings at 750 feet per second caused significant damage. They were banked at an angle that took out multiple floors upon impact and likely stripped the fireproofing from the core load-bearing structures on those floors. Jet fuel then ignited everything inside the buildings.

Steel weakens at as low as 400 degrees. At 980, it’s at only 10 percent strength, according to industry experts. As the core steel columns weakened, load-bearing was transferred to the building’s shell. As the fires continued to burn, multiple floors weakened, sagged, and pulled on the outside structure causing total collapse.

The jet fuel followed the path of least resistance, incidentally, which means some of it flowed down the elevator shafts from the top of the building, causing explosions and fireballs on lower floors, which conspiracy theorists sometimes cite as evidence of bombs.

Myth No. 3: World Trade Center 7 could not possibly have collapsed due only to collateral damage sustained from the Towers’ collapse. That was controlled demolition, too.

Fact: An early FEMA report puzzled over the collapse of WTC 7 because it appeared to have sustained little structural damage and been brought down by fire alone. Truthers latch onto the early FEMA report as proof, but further investigation has found that one face of the building had damage to 10 lower stories. That damage was obscured by smoke in most photographic evidence.

There are also a number of idiosyncrasies in the building’s design that contributed. It was built over a power substation, which meant the relatively few columns on the lower floors were designed to carry extremely large loads. Taking out just one would have caused serious problems. WTC 7 was designed to stay operational during power outages, so several fuel tanks for generators inside the building are thought to have supplied the fires with fuel for up to seven hours.

Myth No. 4: Flight 93 was shot down. The relatively little wreckage at the scene, large pieces of wreckage miles away from the crash site, and evidence of a mysterious white jet in the vicinity all confirm that the government disposed of Flight 93 with extreme prejudice.

Fact: Flight 93 flew into the ground, at a steep angle, at about 580 mph, disintegrating most of the wreckage. What did remain, notably a large piece of engine fan, the Truthers claim ended up miles away from the site, indicating the plane was breaking up before impact. In fact, the fan in question landed 300 yards from the site, and other small bits of paper and scrap metal floated a mile and a half and landed in Indian Lake. Truthers claim Indian Lake is 6 miles away from the crash site, betraying investigation skills hampered by Google Maps. The lake is 1.5 miles away as the crow flies; 6 miles driving.

There was a small corporate jet in the vicinity at the time, descending toward Johnstown, Penn. when the FAA ordered it to check out the area at Shanksville. The plane descended to 1,500 feet, found a smoking hole in the ground, marked the position with the plane’s navigational equipment, and headed to the airport.

Myth No. 5: The Pentagon was hit with a cruise missile. The hole left in the side of the building was nowhere near big enough to have been caused by an airliner.

Fact: The hole in the side of the Pentagon was approximately 90 feet wide, according to The Pentagon Building Performance Report, but it was not the exact width of the 124-foot plane.

Both wings were damaged before the plane entered the building. According to eyewitness reports from commuters on I-395 and observers in the Pentagon parking lot at the time, the right wing hit a large generator and the plane clipped three light posts on its low, barreling descent.

The Pentagon, because it’s the Pentagon, is built of extremely dense reinforced concrete columns. When the plane hit them going 530 mph, it essentially disintegrated. As one observer said, the plane seemed to “melt into the building.”

Parts of the plane that did remain intact past impact flew far into the building. The heavy landing gear created a 16-foot hole in Ring C of the Pentagon, a full 6 walls beyond the entry point, and the flight data recorder was found 300 feet inside the building. Truthers contend that the 16-foot hole had to have been made by a missile."


The truth hurts :)

[Hardwork108]

This isn't a serious discussion. You are obsessed with internet conspiracy theories. It's amusement for me.

There you go again, you never answer any questions put to you and then continue to ask questions yourself, as if interrogating, while you present a false image of me to discredit what I say.

Then when I do answer your questions then you ignore my answers and keep on repeating the same lies. It is a classic tactic...."just keep repeating the lies to create an image".

After all these type of tactics have worked before. See, "the Weapons of Mass Destruction" in Iraq as an example. The lies were repeated even though there was no evidence found and even when UN investigators, like Dr David Kelly said that claims of WMADS were exaggerated, the lies continued. By the way, soon after his declarations Dr Kelly's body was found in the woods. He had apparently committed "suicide".

Isn't life great in "freedom" loving "democratic" countries?

[Drake]

There you go again, you never answer any questions put to you and then continue to ask questions yourself, as if interrogating, while you present a false image of me to discredit what I say.

Then when I do answer your questions then you ignore my answers and keep on repeating the same lies. It is a classic tactic...."just keep repeating the lies to create an image".

After all these type of tactics have worked before. See, "the Weapons of Mass Destruction" in Iraq as an example. The lies were repeated even though there was no evidence found and even when UN investigators, like Dr David Kelly said that claims of WMADS were exaggerated, the lies continued. By the way, soon after his declarations Dr Kelly's body was found in the woods. He had apparently committed "suicide".

Isn't life great in "freedom" loving "democratic" countries?

Nah... I'd say you are the liar. And the worst part is, you don't even realize you're lying. I've already debunked your conspiracy lies, and yet you still prattle on the same things, expecting me to repost so that we keep going back and forth. You aren't getting that from me.

I'm glad you had this all figured out from your living room. :)

[Drake]

There you go again, you never answer any questions put to you and then continue to ask questions yourself, as if interrogating, while you present a false image of me to discredit what I say.

Then when I do answer your questions then you ignore my answers and keep on repeating the same lies. It is a classic tactic...."just keep repeating the lies to create an image".

After all these type of tactics have worked before. See, "the Weapons of Mass Destruction" in Iraq as an example. The lies were repeated even though there was no evidence found and even when UN investigators, like Dr David Kelly said that claims of WMADS were exaggerated, the lies continued. By the way, soon after his declarations Dr Kelly's body was found in the woods. He had apparently committed "suicide".

Isn't life great in "freedom" loving "democratic" countries?

I was active duty intel during both 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq. I saw stuff you can't google, and that's why I am calling you ignorant of the truth. You will NEVER be able to google yourself the truth, and you clearly haven't the faintest clue of what happened except for what you are mindlessly absorbing from your favorite cults.

[Hardwork108]

"Here are the Top 5 Truther Myths and debunkings for your files:

Myth No. 1: Four novice pilots with no experience could never have successfully guided those planes into three out of four targets.

Fact: The hijackers were not experienced pilots, nor had they ever piloted commercial airliners, but they also didn’t have to do any of the three most difficult flying maneuvers—flying in inclement weather, taking off, or landing. Only four of the hijackers were trained to fly—one for each flight. Three of the four had trained and earned private pilot’s licenses. The fourth, Hani Hanjour (American Airlines Flight 77) had both a private and commercial license, and experience with small commercial aircraft.

All were trained in auto-pilot and navigational systems, and would have only had to plug in GPS coordinates and point the planes in the right direction to hit their targets. The day was clear, the targets were clearer. Experts conclude their skills would have been more than sufficient to finish their missions.

Myth No. 2: The “official story” concludes that fires set off by the jet fuel and initial explosions of the aircraft entering the World Trade Center towers caused the steel structure to weaken and eventually fail. But “no large, steel-frame, fire-protected building had ever collapsed before due solely to fire,” is how the book “Debunking 9/11 Myths” restates the idea. Theorists conclude it must have been controlled demolition that led to collapse.

Fact: Each plane was carrying thousands of pounds of jet fuel, which burns at 2,190 degrees Fahrenheit, a great deal lower than the temperature required to melt steel (2,750).

Experts and investigations conclude that steel didn’t have to melt to cause collapse. Instead, the planes entering the buildings at 750 feet per second caused significant damage. They were banked at an angle that took out multiple floors upon impact and likely stripped the fireproofing from the core load-bearing structures on those floors. Jet fuel then ignited everything inside the buildings.

Steel weakens at as low as 400 degrees. At 980, it’s at only 10 percent strength, according to industry experts. As the core steel columns weakened, load-bearing was transferred to the building’s shell. As the fires continued to burn, multiple floors weakened, sagged, and pulled on the outside structure causing total collapse.

The jet fuel followed the path of least resistance, incidentally, which means some of it flowed down the elevator shafts from the top of the building, causing explosions and fireballs on lower floors, which conspiracy theorists sometimes cite as evidence of bombs.

Myth No. 3: World Trade Center 7 could not possibly have collapsed due only to collateral damage sustained from the Towers’ collapse. That was controlled demolition, too.

Fact: An early FEMA report puzzled over the collapse of WTC 7 because it appeared to have sustained little structural damage and been brought down by fire alone. Truthers latch onto the early FEMA report as proof, but further investigation has found that one face of the building had damage to 10 lower stories. That damage was obscured by smoke in most photographic evidence.

There are also a number of idiosyncrasies in the building’s design that contributed. It was built over a power substation, which meant the relatively few columns on the lower floors were designed to carry extremely large loads. Taking out just one would have caused serious problems. WTC 7 was designed to stay operational during power outages, so several fuel tanks for generators inside the building are thought to have supplied the fires with fuel for up to seven hours.

Myth No. 4: Flight 93 was shot down. The relatively little wreckage at the scene, large pieces of wreckage miles away from the crash site, and evidence of a mysterious white jet in the vicinity all confirm that the government disposed of Flight 93 with extreme prejudice.

Fact: Flight 93 flew into the ground, at a steep angle, at about 580 mph, disintegrating most of the wreckage. What did remain, notably a large piece of engine fan, the Truthers claim ended up miles away from the site, indicating the plane was breaking up before impact. In fact, the fan in question landed 300 yards from the site, and other small bits of paper and scrap metal floated a mile and a half and landed in Indian Lake. Truthers claim Indian Lake is 6 miles away from the crash site, betraying investigation skills hampered by Google Maps. The lake is 1.5 miles away as the crow flies; 6 miles driving.

There was a small corporate jet in the vicinity at the time, descending toward Johnstown, Penn. when the FAA ordered it to check out the area at Shanksville. The plane descended to 1,500 feet, found a smoking hole in the ground, marked the position with the plane’s navigational equipment, and headed to the airport.

Myth No. 5: The Pentagon was hit with a cruise missile. The hole left in the side of the building was nowhere near big enough to have been caused by an airliner.

Fact: The hole in the side of the Pentagon was approximately 90 feet wide, according to The Pentagon Building Performance Report, but it was not the exact width of the 124-foot plane.

Both wings were damaged before the plane entered the building. According to eyewitness reports from commuters on I-395 and observers in the Pentagon parking lot at the time, the right wing hit a large generator and the plane clipped three light posts on its low, barreling descent.

The Pentagon, because it’s the Pentagon, is built of extremely dense reinforced concrete columns. When the plane hit them going 530 mph, it essentially disintegrated. As one observer said, the plane seemed to “melt into the building.”

Parts of the plane that did remain intact past impact flew far into the building. The heavy landing gear created a 16-foot hole in Ring C of the Pentagon, a full 6 walls beyond the entry point, and the flight data recorder was found 300 feet inside the building. Truthers contend that the 16-foot hole had to have been made by a missile."

I am well aware of the official version of 9-11, as I am of the official version of the Kennedy assassinations.

For every point up there there one can find other experts saying that it is BS. All you have done is copy and pasted the OFFICIAL version of the events created by the same OFFICiALS that were behind the whole event.

By the way, I am assuming that you copy and pasted the Official argument. Doesn't that go against your opinion of internet sites being unreliable? LOL



The truth hurts :)

The truth hurts people like you more than it does people like me. What you don't understand is that I would personally be happy if the official version was true as living in a "black and white" world is easier and more pleasant.

I would love to be proved wrong and shown that our world leaders are not cut-throat psychopaths employed by corporate cult families. I really would, but the truth says otherwise to those of us are not single neuron, robot entities.

Just a few notes on the "terrorist" pilots -

1. The official version has not explained their drinking and strip club habits.

2. The coincidences like their luggages not being checked in and their tendency to leave Korans everywhere are still a "mystery".

3. If they were such great pilots, why did they carry the incriminating Boeing Flight Manuels around with them? LOL

4. Also, your official version of what happened differs from that of retired Coronel Donn de Grand Pé's take on the whole thing. He must no doubt be another "internet" conspiracy theorist...LOL

Anyway, he got a group of experience civilian and combat pilots together to study what happened on 9-11. HIs conclusion, in short, was that the whole thing was an inside job.

Here is a comment from one of the flight instructors of two of the so called "terrorists". His name is Rick Garza, and he said, "It was like Dumb and Dumber. I mean they were clueless. It was clear to me that they were not going to make it as pilots." End Of quote.

Also, there are people who would argue with your take on the simplicity of the maneovers involved.

There are also questions about the time it took to respond to the so called "hijackings". That is what was NORAD up to while all this was happening?


An interesting "coincidence" was the fact that there were parallel military exercises happening on the same day and they concerned HIJACK SCENARIOS OVER THE SAME AIRSPACE!!!

If you think that this was an unlikely coincidence then be informed that on the day of the 7th of JUly LOndon bombings, parallel security exercises were being carried out within the underground network, dealing with TERRORIST BOMBING SCENARIOS WITHIN THE UNDERGROUND SYSTEM!!!!

So what does your mind tell you about such coincidences? After all, you are a Military Intelligence officer, aren't you?

There are many unanswered questions that are filled in with blatant official lies. The official version of 9-11 is a LIE and that is the TRUTH that hurts those in charge including people like you who are employed by them!

[Hardwork108]

I was active duty intel during both 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq. I saw stuff you can't google, and that's why I am calling you ignorant of the truth. You will NEVER be able to google yourself the truth, and you clearly haven't the faintest clue of what happened except for what you are mindlessly absorbing from your favorite cults.

I would hazard a guess that because of the weakness of the 9-11's official version,the authorities have presented further "secret" evidence to their military services, who would under normal circumstances see the holes in the official story, in order to convince them of the validity of their lies.

The fact is that 9-11 was an inside job.

The fact is that 7/7 in London was an inside job.

The Global Warming scam, is just that, a SCAM!

And there are many more just like the above!

The good news is that many of the sheep are waking up. The authorities know that and that is why they are presenting us with more and more excuses to take away our freedoms, because if enough people wake up and realize that the only real war that is happening is the one against the world population they will stop co-operating with their abusers and the whole illusion will come down like a house of cards.

So, do your best Mr Military Intelligence Officer, your masters will love you for it, but just remember that a dictatorial society is being installed and that your children will be living and serving the masters of that society, and one day they may ask you about what your were doing when their freedoms and human rights were being taken away (to fight "terrorism", Global "warming", man-made "epidemics", etc.).

How are you going to answer them? Will you perhaps put your hands up and say, " I thought Mr 'Perrrsident' would not lie to me"?

[Hardwork108]

Nah... I'd say you are the liar. And the worst part is, you don't even realize you're lying. I've already debunked your conspiracy lies, and yet you still prattle on the same things, expecting me to repost so that we keep going back and forth. You aren't getting that from me.

I'm glad you had this all figured out from your living room. :)

As always, you are focusing on discrediting me than discussing the issue. This just verifies the fact that you probably know what is really going on and it has somehow been justified to you by your superiors. However, you must keep discredit anyone who talks about the truth.:rolleyes:

[Drake]

www.google.com = mysteries of the world unlocked! :rolleyes:

[Drake]

I am well aware of the official version of 9-11, as I am of the official version of the Kennedy assassinations.

For every point up there there one can find other experts saying that it is BS. All you have done is copy and pasted the OFFICIAL version of the events created by the same OFFICiALS that were behind the whole event.

By the way, I am assuming that you copy and pasted the Official argument. Doesn't that go against your opinion of internet sites being unreliable? LOL




The truth hurts people like you more than it does people like me. What you don't understand is that I would personally be happy if the official version was true as living in a "black and white" world is easier and more pleasant.

I would love to be proved wrong and shown that our world leaders are not cut-throat psychopaths employed by corporate cult families. I really would, but the truth says otherwise to those of us are not single neuron, robot entities.

Just a few notes on the "terrorist" pilots -

1. The official version has not explained their drinking and strip club habits.

2. The coincidences like their luggages not being checked in and their tendency to leave Korans everywhere are still a "mystery".

3. If they were such great pilots, why did they carry the incriminating Boeing Flight Manuels around with them? LOL

4. Also, your official version of what happened differs from that of retired Coronel Donn de Grand Pé's take on the whole thing. He must no doubt be another "internet" conspiracy theorist...LOL

Anyway, he got a group of experience civilian and combat pilots together to study what happened on 9-11. HIs conclusion, in short, was that the whole thing was an inside job.

Here is a comment from one of the flight instructors of two of the so called "terrorists". His name is Rick Garza, and he said, "It was like Dumb and Dumber. I mean they were clueless. It was clear to me that they were not going to make it as pilots." End Of quote.

Also, there are people who would argue with your take on the simplicity of the maneovers involved.

There are also questions about the time it took to respond to the so called "hijackings". That is what was NORAD up to while all this was happening?


An interesting "coincidence" was the fact that there were parallel military exercises happening on the same day and they concerned HIJACK SCENARIOS OVER THE SAME AIRSPACE!!!

If you think that this was an unlikely coincidence then be informed that on the day of the 7th of JUly LOndon bombings, parallel security exercises were being carried out within the underground network, dealing with TERRORIST BOMBING SCENARIOS WITHIN THE UNDERGROUND SYSTEM!!!!

So what does your mind tell you about such coincidences? After all, you are a Military Intelligence officer, aren't you?

There are many unanswered questions that are filled in with blatant official lies. The official version of 9-11 is a LIE and that is the TRUTH that hurts those in charge including people like you who are employed by them!

All of your "reasons" have been debunked. I'm sorry you can't handle the truth. And you clearly can't tell the difference between military and government intel, which leads me to question your knowledge of the entire scenario.

I find it funny that you speak these "facts" as though you came up with them, when we both know the reality is that you found them on the internet.

As for my "official statement", you are again wrong. I simply found something that summarized what I already knew. In fact, anyone with a basic understanding of physics would know that.

Oh, and don't forget, JFK's assassination has always been in question. And if we don't investigate political conspiracies, then explain Whitewater, Lai Mai, Watergate, why George Tenet took the blame for the uranium issue with Iraq, the Iran Contra Affair (it now appears Reagan truly DIDN'T remember), the Los Alamos scandal, and how we've busted countless politicians, Rep and Dem, for misusing their power. Was Beirut a scandal? Tonkin? The Lusitania (acually, it may have been), Bay of Pigs? How much research have you actually done?

I don't have to cut and paste, because I KNOW why we invaded Iraq, because I was PART IF IT. You conveniently forgot the lines of tactical vehicles leaving the country prior to the invasion, the rocket pads intercepted by Israel, the bio labs that hadn't yet been operation, THE SARIN GAS that poisoned troops downrange, the ADMISSION by Saddam Hussein that he WAS BLUFFING THE WMD THREAT to keep us from invading. You forget the stores of mustard gas we've found, the Kurds who were executed by biological warfare. You forgot when OBL ADMITTED being the mastermind behind 9/11, and wasn't expecting it to be so successful. You FORGET that we caught one of the hijackers, who CONFESSSED his plan. Yeah, facts that really get in the way of your "research". What research have you actually done? Read some websites? Did you bother criticizing or putting THEIR lies under scrutiny, or did you just say "YEAH, THAT'S IT!! BAD AMERICANS!" You don't have a leg to stand on here, because you are ridiculously ignorant of the facts, and instead simply post whatever you pick up from your tin foil hat wearing "researchers" who are unable to even scam properly, because their audio wasn't even synced..

[Hardwork108]

www.google.com = mysteries of the world unlocked! :rolleyes:

There you go again attempting to discredit my views as a matter of course. Yes, your motives are transparent, to say the least.....

[Hardwork108]

All of your "reasons" have been debunked.
Again, you are throwing out false information or disinformation. The only thing you have debunked with your behavior here is the official version of what has happened on 9- 11, albeit unintentionally.;)




I'm sorry you can't handle the truth.
I can't handle your "truth" because your "truth" is nothing but a pack of lies!


I find it funny that you speak these "facts" as though you came up with them, when we both know the reality is that you found them on the internet.

Wasn't your Official Version of events that you just posted, taken from the internet as well? LOL


As for my "official statement", you are again wrong. I simply found something that summarized what I already knew. In fact, anyone with a basic understanding of physics would know that.
Yet there are scientists and engineers that disagree with your "version" of the story! Just like there are scientists that disagreed with the Al Gore, the crook's version of Global Warming, were blacked out by the media while Al Gore was presenting us with the fantasy scientific version of this phenomenom!


Oh, and don't forget, JFK's assassination has always been in question. And if we don't investigate political conspiracies, then explain Whitewater, Lai Mai, Watergate, why George Tenet took the blame for the uranium issue with Iraq, the Iran Contra Affair (it now appears Reagan truly DIDN'T remember), the Los Alamos scandal, and how we've busted countless politicians, Rep and Dem, for misusing their power. Was Beirut a scandal? Tonkin? The Lusitania (acually, it may have been), Bay of Pigs? How much research have you actually done?
Lot of interesting subject areas there. They seem to be investigated at convenience.

As far as the Iran Contra Affair goes, I believe that George Bush had a lot more to answer for, yet nothing happened to him and he became the president, TWICE. Then his village idiot son became president, TWICE, Ladies and gentlemen, that is what happens when the patients take over the asylum!


I don't have to cut and paste, because I KNOW why we invaded Iraq, because I was PART IF IT. You conveniently forgot the lines of tactical vehicles leaving the country prior to the invasion, the rocket pads intercepted by Israel, the bio labs that hadn't yet been operation, THE SARIN GAS that poisoned troops downrange, the ADMISSION by Saddam Hussein that he WAS BLUFFING THE WMD THREAT to keep us from invading. You forget the stores of mustard gas we've found, the Kurds who were executed by biological warfare. You forgot when OBL ADMITTED being the mastermind behind 9/11, and wasn't expecting it to be so successful. You FORGET that we caught one of the hijackers, who CONFESSSED his plan. Yeah, facts that really get in the way of your "research". What research have you actually done? Read some websites? Did you bother criticizing or putting THEIR lies under scrutiny, or did you just say "YEAH, THAT'S IT!! BAD AMERICANS!" You don't have a leg to stand on here, because you are ridiculously ignorant of the facts, and instead simply post whatever you pick up from your tin foil hat wearing "researchers" who are unable to even scam properly, because their audio wasn't even synced..

So hundreds of thousands of Iraquis and many US soldiers got killed literaly because of some gas. Was that gas a threat to land of the USA? NO of course not!

And we all know that some of the biggest oil reserves on the planet are of no interest to the USA and its allies...LOL

Hey, powerful Intelligence agencies can get any panzy to confess to anything they want.

By the way, every body with a brain knew that Saddam was bluffing, he if had claimed to have WMD and that is because after looking for them for the best part of 10 years, none of the UN inspectors found any. LOL

[Drake]

Wow... that's some serious misinterpretation of the world...

[Dragonzbane76]

Look, we are having a serious discussion here so try to make some relevant contributions to the subject matter, otherwise, show some respect for everyone and keep out of it.

Thanks in advance.

huh... tell me what to do again... think i'll not follow that advise.
respect?? for you lol........lol.....lol.............i would rather drink three day old urine from a dead horses anus than show one slim glimmer of repect the likes of you.
thought you were getting banned or something... Can we not get him banned?? I mean is there nothing we can do?