Secret Societies

[kfson]

After reading the Illuminati thread, I did a quick Wicki search and found several "secret" groups:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry
“Freemasonry is a fraternal organisation that arose from obscure origins in the late 16th to early 17th century. Freemasonry now exists in various forms all over the world, with a membership estimated at around five million, including just under two million in the United States and around 480,000 in England, Scotland and Ireland.[1][2] The various forms all share moral and metaphysical ideals, which include, in most cases, a constitutional declaration of belief in a Supreme Being.[3]

The fraternity is administratively organised into Grand Lodges or sometimes Orients, each of which governs its own jurisdiction, which consists of subordinate (or constituent) Lodges. Grand Lodges recognise each other through a process of landmarks and regularity. There are also appendant bodies, which are organisations related to the main branch of Freemasonry, but with their own independent administration.

Freemasonry uses the metaphors of operative stonemasons' tools and implements, against the allegorical backdrop of the building of King Solomon's Temple, to convey what has been described by both Masons and critics as "a system of morality veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols."[4][5]”


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophy
"Theosophy is a doctrine of religious philosophy and metaphysics. Theosophy holds that all religions are attempts by the "Spiritual Hierarchy" to help humanity in evolving to greater perfection, and that each religion therefore has a portion of the truth. The founding members, Helena Petrovna Blavatsky (1831–1891), Henry Steel Olcott (1832–1907), and William Quan Judge (1851–1896), established the Theosophical Society in 1875."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucianism
"Rosicrucianism is the theology of a secret society of mystics, allegedly formed in late medieval Germany, holding a doctrine "built on esoteric truths of the ancient past", which, "concealed from the average man, provide insight into nature, the physical universe and the spiritual realm."[1] It is symbolized by the rosy cross.

Between 1607 and 1616, two anonymous manifestos were published, first in Germany and later throughout Europe.[2] These were Fama Fraternitatis RC (The Fame of the Brotherhood of RC) and Confessio Fraternitatis (The Confession of the Brotherhood of RC). The influence of these documents, presenting a "most laudable Order" of mystic-philosopher-doctors and promoting a "Universal Reformation of Mankind", gave rise to an enthusiasm called by its historian Dame Frances Yates the "Rosicrucian Enlightenment".[3]

Rosicrucianism was associated with Protestantism and in particular Lutheranism.[4] According to historian David Stevenson, it was also influential to Freemasonry as it was emerging in Scotland.[4] In later centuries, many esoteric societies have claimed to derive their doctrines, in whole or in part, from the original Rosicrucians. Several modern societies, which date the beginning of the Order to earlier centuries, have been formed for the study of Rosicrucianism and allied subjects."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordo_Templi_Orientis
"Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.) (Order of the Temple of the East, or the Order of Oriental Templars) is an international fraternal and religious organization founded at the beginning of the 20th century. English author and occultist Aleister Crowley has become the most well known member of the order.

Originally it was intended to be modelled after and associated with Freemasonry,[1] but under the leadership of Aleister Crowley, O.T.O. was reorganized around the Law of Thelema as its central religious principle. This Law—expressed as “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" [2] and "Love is the law, love under will” [3]—was promulgated in 1904 with the dictation of The Book of the Law.

Similar to many secret societies, O.T.O. membership is based on an initiatory system with a series of degree ceremonies that use ritual drama to establish fraternal bonds and impart spiritual and philosophical teachings.

O.T.O. also includes the Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica (EGC) or Gnostic Catholic Church, which is the ecclesiastical arm of the Order. Its central rite, which is public, is called Liber XV, or the Gnostic Mass."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Society
"The Thule Society (German: Thule-Gesellschaft), originally the Studiengruppe für germanisches Altertum ("Study Group for Germanic Antiquity"), was a German occultist and völkisch group in Munich, named after a mythical northern country from Greek legend. The Society is notable chiefly as the organization that sponsored the Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (DAP), which was later transformed by Adolf Hitler into the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nazi Party). However, there is no evidence that Hitler ever attended the Thule Society.[1]"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati
"Illuminati (plural of Latin illuminatus, "enlightened") is a name that refers to several groups, both historical and modern, and both real and fictitious. Historically, it refers specifically to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1, 1776. In modern times it is also used to refer to a purported conspiratorial organization which acts as a shadowy "power behind the throne", allegedly controlling world affairs through present day governments and corporations, usually as a modern incarnation or continuation of the Bavarian Illuminati. In this context, Illuminati is often used in reference to a New World Order (NWO). Many conspiracy theorists believe the Illuminati are the masterminds behind events that will lead to the establishment of such a New World Order."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group
"The Bilderberg Group, Bilderberg conference, or Bilderberg Club is an annual, unofficial, invitation-only conference of around 130 guests, most of whom are persons of influence in the fields of politics, banking, business, the military, and media. Each conference is held under intense security and secrecy.
The original conference was held at the Hotel de Bilderberg, near Arnhem in The Netherlands, from 29 May to 31 May 1954. It was initiated by several people, including Józef Retinger, concerned about the growth of anti-Americanism in Western Europe, who proposed an international conference at which leaders from European countries and the United States would be brought together with the aim of promoting atlanticism – better understanding between the cultures of the United States and Western Europe in order to foster cooperation on political, economic, and defense issues.[1] Retinger approached Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, who agreed to promote the idea, together with Belgian Prime Minister Paul Van Zeeland, and the head of Unilever at that time, Dutchman Paul Rijkens. Bernhard in turn contacted Walter Bedell Smith, then head of the CIA, who asked Eisenhower adviser Charles Douglas Jackson to deal with the suggestion.[2] The guest list was to be drawn up by inviting two attendees from each nation, one of each to represent conservative and liberal points of view.[1] Fifty delegates from 11 countries in Western Europe attended the first conference along with 11 Americans.[3]

The success of the meeting led the organizers to arrange an annual conference. A permanent Steering Committee was established, with Retinger appointed as permanent secretary. As well as organizing the conference, the steering committee also maintained a register of attendee names and contact details, with the aim of creating an informal network of individuals who could call upon one another in a private capacity. Conferences were held in France, Germany, and Denmark over the following three years. In 1957, the first US conference was held in St. Simons, Georgia, with $30,000 from the Ford Foundation. The foundation supplied further funding for the 1959 and 1963 conferences.[2]"

[sanjuro_ronin]

So secret they have their own wiki entries !!
LOL !!

[hskwarrior]

the secret socieities have nothing to hide. although they won't openly discuss what their secret's are, most secret socieities like the masons are opening up their lodges cause they have nothing to hide.

[MightyB]

For you KFson: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=Bilderbergers+wiki&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

Bilderbergers... the Grand Pubas of modern conspiracy organizations.

[kfson]

For you KFson: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&q=Bilderbergers+wiki&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

Bilderbergers... the Grand Pubas of modern conspiracy organizations.

Done
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[DRAGONSIHING]

Of course the most dangerous would be those that no one has ever heard of. They could do their work without any interference from anyone. Does anybody think such groups exist and what would they be like?:cool:

[Lucas]

I belong to a secret society but im sorry i cant tell you guys about it unless you join. Its a secret.

[David Jamieson]

Of course the most dangerous would be those that no one has ever heard of. They could do their work without any interference from anyone. Does anybody think such groups exist and what would they be like?:cool:

They're called gangs and mostly they sell drugs and keep young girls trapped in the indentured slavery of prostitution.

[SanHeChuan]

The Family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fellowship_(Christian_organization))

[David Jamieson]

The Family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fellowship_(Christian_organization))

A uniquely American problem...thankfully. :)

[goju]

Of course the most dangerous would be those that no one has ever heard of. They could do their work without any interference from anyone. Does anybody think such groups exist and what would they be like?:cool:

they are ninjas obviously

[goju]

the concept of these secret societies isnt far fetched its just basically that a bunch of the richest of the rich control the world

however i doubt they dance around the bonfire in assless fur chaps and sacrifice goats to beezlebub as so many would like to think:rolleyes:

which is a shame because it loses alot of its credibility and interest when the tin foil hat club jumps on it with their talk of the end of days, the anti christ, lizard people, fallen angels etc etc

[Dragonzbane76]

which is a shame because it loses alot of its credibility and interest when the tin foil hat club jumps on it with their talk of the end of days, the anti christ, lizard people, fallen angels etc etc
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haha i have to say that it would be more interesting if they did all that and drank blood and humped goats. Dam conspiracy theorists.... :p

[goju]

haha i have to say that it would be more interesting if they did all that and drank blood and humped goats. Dam conspiracy theorists.... :p

well it is possible in fact many of the aristocracy especially in europe used to dabble in the occult quite often

but whatever religion they choose to follow isnt important no one is going to bring forth the great beast and hells not going to open up and swallow us all because of some weirdos chanting in a circle over a black candle in hooded robes

the only thing that should be focused on is what they are doing with our governments (if theyare indeed doing anything at all) their religious practices are not important at all no matter how strange they may be.

if the crack pot element was removed i think more people would take it seriously

[Hardwork108]

Of course the most dangerous would be those that no one has ever heard of.
The most dangerous would also include "known" groups like the Masons who have a "public" face for public consumption. However, it is said that most Masons don't go beyond the first 3 degrees. So, what happens at the higher degrees including the highest 33rd degrees? Some researchers say that there are further or degrees, what does that imply?

Another, fundamental question remains, can a real Democracy (not that any of us lives in a real Democracy) accept supposedly freely elected politicians who belong to secret societies such as the Free Masons and Knights Templar, etc.?


They could do their work without any interference from anyone. Does anybody think such groups exist and what would they be like?:cool:

Considering the state of the world we live in, it would not be any surprise for me if there were other secret societies.

[Hardwork108]

the concept of these secret societies isnt far fetched its just basically that a bunch of the richest of the rich control the world
And the best way to control the world is through secrecy. Make the masses believe that they have a say in who becomes their leader, and their future in general while you manipulate who is elected and their policies through secret networks.

I would recommend that you read the real story behind behind the creation of the European Union, including how national identities have been worn down through mass immigration. For the European Community scam to have worked, a lot of secrecy was needed.

It seem that the Americas are heading the same way as Europe. It will start with "Trade" or "Commercial" union. Then when enough people get used to that or are brainwashed into believing that it is a good thing (no doubt because they will conclude that they will get something positive out of it), then the words "Trade" and or "Commercial" will be dropped and it will be an "American Union" or something to that effect.


however i doubt they dance around the bonfire in assless fur chaps and sacrifice goats to beezlebub as so many would like to think:rolleyes:

which is a shame because it loses alot of its credibility and interest when the tin foil hat club jumps on it with their talk of the end of days, the anti christ, lizard people, fallen angels etc etc

Yet, societies like the Free Masons, Skulls and Bones and etc. do seem to have some disturbing ceremonies, roots of which will go back hundreds of years.

Sometimes one wonders why members of elite clans would participate in such occult ceremonies, but then once when these people become leaders and presidents and cause mass murder and suffering through illegal wars, then perhaps the answer may become more clear!

Food for thought....

[Lucas]

the most dangerous secret society is the one that lives at the end of my fist SUCKAS!

[David Jamieson]

the most dangerous secret society is the one that lives at the end of my fist SUCKAS!

dude, that's just absurd

[sanjuro_ronin]

I belong to a secret society but im sorry i cant tell you guys about it unless you join. Its a secret.

You obviously have no idea hoe secret societies work, until everyone knows about you and movies are made about you and you are on wiki, it isn't a secret !!

[kfson]

I want to learn the sofa jumping technique.

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2008/04/23-End%20of%20Month/Tom%20Oprah.jpg

[MightyB]

The most dangerous would also include "known" groups like the Masons who have a "public" face for public consumption.

Another, fundamental question remains, can a real Democracy (not that any of us lives in a real Democracy) accept supposedly freely elected politicians who belong to secret societies such as the Free Masons and Knights Templar, etc.?


You must be a Catholic... the ideas of liberty - basically America... it's all Masonic.

Here's why Catholics spread fear and hate stories about Masons...

A long time ago, in a galaxy far away - there were these crazy religious wars that were started by a Catholic Pope called the Crusades. Basically- he BS'd some knights and peasants into believing he'd grant them eternal salvation if they freed the holy land from a bunch-o-heathens.

Fast forward a bunch-o-years. Some knights stayed on after the crusades to protect people on their pilgrimages to the above mentioned holy land. These knights forgo personal belongings, undertook religious oaths, and basically became the western equivalent of warrior monks. They called themselves the Knights Templar (fact: they didn't wash their underwear)

Anyhoo- that whole poverty thing stunk. They basically amassed wealth and land holdings in Europe 'cuz they couldn't spend all the loot those darn pilgrims kept giving them. Well- they decided that since they couldn't spend it- they'd loan it out (first bank) to anybody. Now peasants and serfs started becoming property owners and property means power in old Europe.

The King of France decided that he wanted all that money, and he didn't like the idea of those darn serfs becoming land owners and potentially questioning his Authoro-ty - soooo he conspired with the Pope and declared all Templars Heretics.

Long story short- Templars were massacred for greed. The survivors joined another order that had similar ideal called the Masons...

http://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Masonry/Essays/friday13.html

Well- fast forward a couple of years. Masonic ideals inspired a couple of members like Thomas Jefferson. This whole constitution thing comes right out of their writings. This pesky upstart nation rebells in the name of freedom from tyranny (another Masonic idea - freedom/liberty)

Ever wonder why it took so long for a Catholic to become a President?

[kfson]

A long time ago,
Fast forward a bunch-o-years.

You didn't say what happened to the Knights Templar while they were in the Middle East and where they (the organization) are today.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Templars ???
BBWWAAHHHH !!!!!!!!

[David Jamieson]

You didn't say what happened to the Knights Templar while they were in the Middle East and where they (the organization) are today.

Knights Templar were murdered in concert across europe and in the Middle east by papal decree on Friday October 13th 1314.

Some escaped.

The last grandmaster Jacques De Molay is honoured in the A.F & A.M young mens group the De Molays.

Knight Templar is a degree of A.F & A.M 's York Rite. It is the highest degree imparted upon a York Rite Freemason.

The last remnants of Knights Templar knowledge and work lies with A.F & A.M and so it has been for centuries.

:)

[sanjuro_ronin]

Knights Templar were murdered in concert across europe and in the Middle east by papal decree on Friday October 13th 1314.

Some escaped.

The last grandmaster Jacques De Molay is honoured in the A.F & A.M young mens group the De Molays.

Knight Templar is a degree of A.F & A.M 's York Rite. It is the highest degree imparted upon a York Rite Freemason.

The last remnants of Knights Templar knowledge and work lies with A.F & A.M and so it has been for centuries.

:)

Since we know so much about them, they are obviosuly the UBER-SECRET !!
LOL !
FYI:
I am still and my family have been for generations, part of the Order of Christ.

[David Jamieson]

Since we know so much about them, they are obviosuly the UBER-SECRET !!
LOL !
FYI:
I am still and my family have been for generations, part of the Order of Christ.

well, they aren't secret and neither is Freemasonry.
But, the advancement in Freemasonry, like anything, comes with what you put into it.

Like Kungfu, you will only get out of it what you put into it.

Like Christianity, you will only get out of it what you put into it. You must do good works to do Christianity. Reading a bible is not enough by any measure of the word as given.

Freemasonry, although not a religion is indeed a system of morality that is in my opinion stronger and more well put together than any free form social more that exists.

It is not contradictory in the least to be a devout chritian, jew, buddhist, muslim, etc or of any faith and to be a Freemason as well. If anything Freemasonry will compliment all these.

[kfson]

Knights Templar were murdered in concert across europe and in the Middle east by papal decree on Friday October 13th 1314.

Some escaped.

The last grandmaster Jacques De Molay is honoured in the A.F & A.M young mens group the De Molays.

Knight Templar is a degree of A.F & A.M 's York Rite. It is the highest degree imparted upon a York Rite Freemason.

The last remnants of Knights Templar knowledge and work lies with A.F & A.M and so it has been for centuries.

:)

Yes, but what happened to the Knights Templar when they where in the Middle East?

[sanjuro_ronin]

Yes, but what happened to the Knights Templar when they where in the Middle East?

They learned Salladin-jujutsu?

[kfson]

They learned Salladin-jujutsu?

They did indeed learn something.

[David Jamieson]

Yes, but what happened to the Knights Templar when they where in the Middle East?

They were there for a couple of centuries.

What do you mean what happened to them?

What they did while they were there is fairly well documented. They protected pilgrims on their way to Jerusalem as well as tradesmen and caravan merchants.
They were also soldiers in service to the papacy and were an order of holy warriors who opposed the Saracen moors as they attempted to grow the Caliphate and take Jerusalem.

so, what are you refering to?

[David Jamieson]

They did indeed learn something.

What do you think they learned? :)

[kfson]

They learned a secret everyone should know.

[David Jamieson]

They learned a secret everyone should know.
and that is...?

[Lucas]

OT but robert e howard has some great historical fiction on the crusades.

heres one:

Lord of Samarcand (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0034XS9U8/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0809556545&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0MVRWC9AKT9DVT0G0CQ5)

[sanjuro_ronin]

and that is...?

http://images.starcraftmazter.net/4chan/countries/president_assassination_in_russia.jpg

[David Jamieson]

http://images.starcraftmazter.net/4chan/countries/president_assassination_in_russia.jpg

wtf is wrong with Putin?

weird ass russian. lol

[Lucas]

russia has the most hardcore leader. if they had leader cage matches putin would hold the title.

[kfson]

and that is...?

Who we are.

[David Jamieson]

Who we are.

How deliciously cryptic.
Care to elaborate?

[kfson]

How deliciously cryptic.
Care to elaborate?

Why are we as the stars?

[David Jamieson]

Why are we as the stars?

just spit it out.

what do you believe? Do you think it's true?
What is your source?

[sanjuro_ronin]

Why are we as the stars?

Stars?
Why lower ourselves to be stars:
http://www.celebrityjoker.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/melissa_marie_gonzales_11.jpg

[KC Elbows]

Why are we as the stars?

Because without supernovas, higher order elements wouldn't exist?

[kfson]

just spit it out.

what do you believe? Do you think it's true?
What is your source?

So be it.
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[David Jamieson]

So be it.
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:rolleyes:

why even bring it up if you don't know what you want to talk about?

lol, dude, it's a forum, not a fortune cookie.

[kfson]

:rolleyes:

why even bring it up if you don't know what you want to talk about?

lol, dude, it's a forum, not a fortune cookie.

It's the "So Be It" for crying out loud.

[David Jamieson]

It's the "So Be It" for crying out loud.

:confused:

what the heck are you on about?

"so be it" is a discovery?

[sanjuro_ronin]

Too much gibberish and not enough Adriana !
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/chilenayperuana/892413_Adria_Nevad-1.jpg

[kfson]

Too much gibberish and not enough Adriana !
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/chilenayperuana/892413_Adria_Nevad-1.jpg

I've been putting up with your choice of women. This is the first one I applaud.:)

[KC Elbows]

it's a forum, not a fortune cookie.

I always thought it was weird when my fortune reads "ROTFLMAO" and had a link to photobucket?

I'm changing restaurants.

[David Jamieson]

I always thought it was weird when my fortune reads "ROTFLMAO" and had a link to photobucket?

I'm changing restaurants.

acronym fortune cookies are a bad portent.

[Lucas]

keep getting 3 fortunes in my cookie, the past few times eating out....i feel bad for the poor saps whos future im stealing away..:o

[goju]

I've been putting up with your choice of women. This is the first one I applaud.:)

see her pics with out make up and say that lol

[Lucas]

hey goju want to join my secret society?

[Hardwork108]

Would you stop picking on the Masons already
Don't misunderstand. I actually do believe that most Masons (are probably 3rd degree and below) are mainly nice people and they mean well.




You must be a Catholic...
I am not a Catholic. However, now that you mention it, the Catholic church seems to have its own secret societies such as the Jesuits. Some researchers claim that the Jesuits control the Knights Templar and Knights of Malta, and more.....It is claimed that the higher levels of the above societies interact with the Freemasons.


the ideas of liberty - basically America... it's all Masonic.
Whatever the real truth, Masons were not the ones to invent "freedom" or "liberty".

It is worth noting that even though the Masonic US politicians preech liberty, Freedom and "Democracy" while they send soldiers to die and kill in far away lands, the nation of the United States is having its freedoms and liberties erroded by the same Masonic elements.


Here's why Catholics spread fear and hate stories about Masons...
It seems that the fear mongering is not limited to the Catholics as alleged Masonic politicians and media people seem to be spreading fear all over the place. See, "terrorism", "Global Warming", "Swine Flu, epidemic", etc. Then see how populations' freedoms and liberties are attacked in order to protect them from these fantasy problems....


A long time ago, in a galaxy far away - there were these crazy religious wars that were started by a Catholic Pope called the Crusades. Basically- he BS'd some knights and peasants into believing he'd grant them eternal salvation if they freed the holy land from a bunch-o-heathens.

Fast forward a bunch-o-years. Some knights stayed on after the crusades to protect people on their pilgrimages to the above mentioned holy land. These knights forgo personal belongings, undertook religious oaths, and basically became the western equivalent of warrior monks. They called themselves the Knights Templar (fact: they didn't wash their underwear)

Anyhoo- that whole poverty thing stunk. They basically amassed wealth and land holdings in Europe 'cuz they couldn't spend all the loot those darn pilgrims kept giving them. Well- they decided that since they couldn't spend it- they'd loan it out (first bank) to anybody. Now peasants and serfs started becoming property owners and property means power in old Europe.

IMHO, all the secret societies are working hand in hand on ONE agenda. Any divisions between them is for the public consumption only.


Well- fast forward a couple of years. Masonic ideals inspired a couple of members like Thomas Jefferson.
Unfortunately, having psychopaths like Bill Clinton and George Bush senior (both 33rd degree Masons, it is said) amongst its number does not do this society's image any favors. Apparently, another pretty unbalanced character, J. Edgar Hoover was a 33rd degree Mason as well.


This whole constitution thing comes right out of their writings.

There is not much left of the whole constitution right now because the constant attack on America's freedoms by politicians, some of whom seem to be Masons.;)


This pesky upstart nation rebells in the name of freedom from tyranny (another Masonic idea - freedom/liberty)

It is said that many of the US generals fighting the British belonged to the same Masonic lodges of their enemies. This puts into question the validity of the War of Independence and the credibility of a peasant army beating the mighty British Empire, specially in the light of the "special" relationship between Britain and the US and their co-operation in many wars and business domination (Anglo American Petroleum Cartel, Mining Cartels and so on).


Ever wonder why it took so long for a Catholic to become a President?
The Free Masons wouldn't allow it?:p

Seriously, if you want to know about what is happening in the real world then you must look at the big picture. That means you need to forget about religions and political parties, as they were all created to hood wink the masses. They are all based on mumbo jumbo and fantasies.

So forget Democrats and the Republicans as they are controlled by the same people. The US is a one party nation and so is the UK, and other so called Democracies. The political divisions are there to control the "sheep" by making them think that they have a say regarding their destiny.

People really need to wake up. The US is a corporation that has a selected president. The selection is by the shareholders of the Corporation USA, NOT the US citizens. If you want to know the identity of the shareholders, then all you have to do is find out to whom the USA owes trillions of dollars to. It is that easy, yet difficult!

[goju]

hey goju want to join my secret society?

i thougth we already had a cult dedicated to that one swimsuit models ass:D

this is a new one?

[Lucas]

oh wait, nvm your right. i forgot u were already in that cult... sry my bad carry on. do we have a meeting soon? but remember its secret....now where was that pic again....

[KC Elbows]

As a former Catholic with many Catholic relatives, I feel jipped by the total lack of freemason/templar paranoia I experienced. Mind you, I was only a 32nd degree Catholic. Couldn't bag an altarboy. Don't let those dresses fool you, they're quick and spry!

[MightyB]

As a former Catholic with many Catholic relatives, I feel jipped by the total lack of freemason/templar paranoia I experienced. Mind you, I was only a 32nd degree Catholic. Couldn't bag an altarboy. Don't let those dresses fool you, they're quick and spry!

ROTFL :D Sorry Catholics... sometimes I get in a Troll mood.

[Dragonzbane76]

As a former Catholic with many Catholic relatives, I feel jipped by the total lack of freemason/templar paranoia I experienced. Mind you, I was only a 32nd degree Catholic. Couldn't bag an altarboy. Don't let those dresses fool you, they're quick and spry!

haha got a kick outta that. :)

[Dale Dugas]

As a former Catholic with many Catholic relatives, I feel jipped by the total lack of freemason/templar paranoia I experienced. Mind you, I was only a 32nd degree Catholic. Couldn't bag an altarboy. Don't let those dresses fool you, they're quick and spry!


Not even remotely funny.

I left the Catholic Church for the very thing you make light of.

not funny at all.

The catholic church should not exist for what they did.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Not even remotely funny.

I left the Catholic Church for the very thing you make light of.

not funny at all.

The catholic church should not exist for what they did.

The issue is not what the RCC did, its what they continue to do and that is COVER UPS.
Look, you can't blame a whole religion or a whole group of people for what part of them do, or what the heads of their organization do, if we did then every American would be responsible for the crap that their government does.
It doesn't work that way, nor should it.
However, what the heads of the RCC shoudl be blamed for is all the crap that they DO, namely the cover ups.
Lets look at the sexual abuse scandals.
Is it the fault of the Vatican that some priests molested kids?
No.
BUT it IS THEIR fault that they tried to cover it up.
The buck stops here (there).
The vatican is an outdated organization, like the majority of organized religion and it needs a serious freaking overhaul.

[Dale Dugas]

I agree.

It did horrendous things and covered it up and continues to do so.

They can all burn in their own hell for that.

[1bad65]

I left the Catholic Church for the very thing you make light of.


The issue is not what the RCC did, its what they continue to do and that is COVER UPS.

BUT it IS THEIR fault that they tried to cover it up.

Sorry to hear that Dale. But it appears you have survived and lived a good, happy, successful life despite that hardship you suffered.

As for my thoughts on the Catholic Church, they are not good.

First off, this is NOT my opinion of the rank-and-file Catholic. Most of them are good people, who try and live good lives. But the the ones running it are often dispicable. The Catholics had the Inquisition, a Pope who supported Hitler and helped many Nazi war criminals escape justice, they have started many wars to try and force Catholocism on others (the Crusades and the Spanish Armada of 1588 for example), and they enslaved people in the New World due to their lust for gold. Then of course came them trying to hide the abuses of their priests, which I believed happened solely so they could avoid expensive lawsuits.

They also have in the past thrown out their beliefs for money. They repeatedly annulled marriages in the Kennedy family for money, and even excused Michael Kennedy having an adulterous relationship with a minor babysitter.

Even their policy of not using birth control and their doctrine that states you should have as many children as possible has ulterior motives. That doctrine was enacted during the days of religious wars. It was a way for the Church to encourage it's practitioners to have more children, which would then result in more soldiers for their religious wars.

Honestly, I always feel uneasy in Catholic Churches. They also have a long history of anti-Semitism.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Sorry to hear that Dale. But it appears you have survived and lived a good, happy, successful life despite that hardship you suffered.

As for my thoughts on the Catholic Church, they are not good.

First off, this is NOT my opinion of the rank-and-file Catholic. Most of them are good people, who try and live good lives. But the the ones running it are often dispicable. The Catholics had the Inquisition, a Pope who supported Hitler and helped many Nazi war criminals escape justice, they have started many wars to try and force Catholocism on others (the Crusades and the Spanish Armada of 1588 for example), and they enslaved people in the New World due to their lust for gold. Then of course came them trying to hide the abuses of their priests, which I believed happened solely so they could avoid expensive lawsuits.

They also have in the past thrown out their beliefs for money. They repeatedly annulled marriages in the Kennedy family for money, and even excused Michael Kennedy having an adulterous relationship with a minor babysitter.

Even their policy of not using birth control and their doctrine that states you should have as many children as possible has ulterior motives. That doctrine was enacted during the days of religious wars. It was a way for the Church to encourage it's practitioners to have more children, which would then result in more soldiers for their religious wars.

Honestly, I always feel uneasy in Catholic Churches. They also have a long history of anti-Semitism.

The catholic relgion and the RCC are tow diferent things, or were at least.
Catholic means universal and as such, it accepts ALL into it.
The RCC has still, at its core, the same values, but its heirachy has made a mess of the rest.
At the same time, let us remember that using religion as an excuse is not the same as it being the reason for something.
For many governments ( in the olden days), church and state were interlinked and as such, where religion ended and politics began because a very blurry line.
This is still going on in some places and not just by the RCC, but by all religious organizations ( their hiearchy, not the layman).

Too many time Christians ( as an example but al lfaiths are guilty of this) allow themselves to be led by their leaders to do things that are aginst the very CORE of their beliefs.
Who's fault is that?
The People's.

[KC Elbows]

Martin Luther's views on what should be done with other religions were pretty much the same as the Catholic churches.

That said, Catholic heirarchy is a recipe for corruption on a rediculous scale.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Martin Luther's views on what should be done with other religions were pretty much the same as the Catholic churches.

That said, Catholic heirarchy is a recipe for corruption on a rediculous scale.

Indeed, the whole concept of a governing central body is so un-christian and un-Jesus, its not even funny.

[KC Elbows]

Sorry to hear that Dale. But it appears you have survived and lived a good, happy, successful life despite that hardship you suffered.


I assume he left because of disgust, not from being a target of it. If not, obviously off-color jokes are a risk. At the Catholic school I attended, there were always a few of us, basically anyone whose parents were divorced or, like me, didn't know better than to cross Irish nuns, who were beaten often, but it's a bit of a joke if we talk about it nowadays. Molestation, yeah, that's bad, not my intention to be insensitive, but I certainly wasn't trying to make the Catholic Church look good for the joke.

[sanjuro_ronin]

I assume he left because of disgust, not from being a target of it. If not, obviously off-color jokes are a risk. At the Catholic school I attended, there were always a few of us, basically anyone whose parents were divorced or, like me, didn't know better than to cross Irish nuns, who were beaten often, but it's a bit of a joke if we talk about it nowadays. Molestation, yeah, that's bad, not my intention to be insensitive, but I certainly wasn't trying to make the Catholic Church look good for the joke.

The RCC has put forth some measure to curtail the chances of pedophiles getting into the ranks of priest as of late, time will tell how successful they are.
Doesn't change the fact that what the church MUST do in these case is get the authorites involved and support the VICTIMS 100%.
They typically don't and that is their fault and they must be held accountable for that.

[1bad65]

The catholic relgion and the RCC are tow diferent things, or were at least.

What does RCC stand for?


For many governments ( in the olden days), church and state were interlinked and as such, where religion ended and politics began because a very blurry line.
This is still going on in some places and not just by the RCC, but by all religious organizations ( their hiearchy, not the layman).

Which why our Founding Fathers gave us the 1st Amendment.


Too many time Christians ( as an example but al lfaiths are guilty of this) allow themselves to be led by their leaders to do things that are aginst the very CORE of their beliefs.
Who's fault is that?
The People's.

Agreed

[1bad65]

Martin Luther's views on what should be done with other religions were pretty much the same as the Catholic churches.

That said, Catholic heirarchy is a recipe for corruption on a rediculous scale.

Are you sure about that? Luther was disgusted by the Catholic church selling 'indulgences'.

The second sentence is totally correct.

[1bad65]

The RCC has put forth some measure to curtail the chances of pedophiles getting into the ranks of priest as of late, time will tell how successful they are.
Doesn't change the fact that what the church MUST do in these case is get the authorites involved and support the VICTIMS 100%.
They typically don't and that is their fault and they must be held accountable for that.

I still maintain they tried to keep it under the rug to avoid muti-million dollar lawsuits. Of course those idiots master plans failed. Not only did the cat get let out of the bag, many victims ended up suing the Church once the secret got out. Also, contributions to the Church were way down during the time that scandal broke. I'm not sure it is even back up to pre-scandal levels yet.

[sanjuro_ronin]

What does RCC stand for?


ROMAN Catholic Church.
When the Catholic Church began, late 2nd century, it wasn't like what it became as the RCC.
It didn't have a central governing body, but each bishop was the head of his own congregation/house church, there was no central CONTROL and the doctrines were less complicated and more oriented towards people and fellowship and less towards politics and leaderships.

[sanjuro_ronin]

I still maintain they tried to keep it under the rug to avoid muti-million dollar lawsuits. Of course those idiots master plans failed. Not only did the cat get let out of the bag, many victims ended up suing the Church once the secret got out. Also, contributions to the Church were way down during the time that scandal broke. I'm not sure it is even back up to pre-scandal levels yet.

I am sure that was the prime motivating factor.

[Hardwork108]

The issue is not what the RCC did, its what they continue to do and that is COVER UPS.
It is more than just cover ups that people should be worried about. The Catholic Church still has its secret societies whose members still hold important positions of power and influence in the so called "Democratic" (falls off his chair laughing) countries and the World Powers, in general, just as the same is true regarding the high level Freemasons.

I would suggest that what you have seen are just the tip of the iceberg. I would also suggest that what is being sold as Catholicism to the masses is not what the high level priests practice. You really should look at the roots of this religion and indeed Christianity itself to see where it actually comes from. If you do, then you will see that it has nothing to do with the fantasy character called Jesus Christ or his mother (Queen Semiramis, in the Babylonian version).

Roots of Christianity and indeed all the main world religions go back to Sumer and Babylonia a center of high level knowledge and science in encient times, when these peoples had their own version of the "holy trinity". These advanced cultures spread through the centuries and wherever they went/spread, they created parallel religions (look at Greece and Egypt). Finally, they got to Rome and created the Roman Empire and in time there came along the Roman Catholic Church.

Going back to Summer and Babylonia (also Egypt, it seems), it is said that what we call "Satanism" was practiced as a matter of routine in these cultures which included child abuse, blood sacrifices and so on. For hints of this nowadays just look at RCC, "cover ups".


Look, you can't blame a whole religion or a whole group of people for what part of them do, or what the heads of their organization do,

I know what you are saying, but you can once you realize the purpose of this religion and all connected religions, which have more to do with control and indoctrination of human beings than with "enlightenment".


if we did then every American would be responsible for the crap that their government does.
At one level you are right specially when you consider the fact that people who really run America do not see themselves as Americans but rather as members of a Clan that in reality is a cult. If they did give **** about Americans then they would not erode their human rights on almost a daily basis. They would not have the whole country under an impossible debt; they would not have created a culture where most people have to work like animals in order to survive and pay off their own debts; they would not send Americans (Cannon Fodder) to die in illegal wars from which the only thing they have to gain is to come out alive; They would not allow the chemical pollution (in the air and food/water) and electromagnetic pollution that is effecting so many people nowadays, and so on...

What I am saying that leaders of America, wether they are prostitute politicians or the real power behind the scenes, do not give two bits about the Joe the Public American, because Joe the Public is not member of their elite clan.

Having said all that, I maintain that there comes a time that the average American has to accept responsibilty for the deeds of the psychopathic power structure that rules him. These elite or clan are made up of a few hundred people, whereas the US population is over 200 million. So if you give your mind and freedoms away while burying your head under the sand then you become responsible for the eventual misery and slavery that your children will be living under.


However, what the heads of the RCC shoudl be blamed for is all the crap that they DO, namely the cover ups.
Who is going to blame and punish them? The brainwashed masses? Their own corrupt and filthy rich elite?

Who punished Clinton for his crimes? Who punished the Bushes for their crimes?

You need to realize that at the highest levels, these power structures work together. Any division is for the "consumption" of the cattle population.


Lets look at the sexual abuse scandals.
Is it the fault of the Vatican that some priests molested kids?
No.

Looking at the real roots of this religion (not the version for public consumption) you will realize that what we call "Satanism" is part and parcel of this religion.


BUT it IS THEIR fault that they tried to cover it up.
The buck stops here (there).
They cover it up because if they don't and this thing is really investigated it will go right to the top and expose this religion for what it really is and what it really is has nothing to do with being "Christian" and kind to your fellow man. It has nothing to do with Jesus Christ (including the Pagan concept of "trinity") who is an invention to start with.


The vatican is an outdated organization, like the majority of organized religion and it needs a serious freaking overhaul.

In reality world religion needs to be exposed for what it is and then phased out. The truth about who and what we are has been out there for a long time (and has been hidden from the masses by guess who? Yes, organised religion....), and that is what humans need to be switched on to

[1bad65]

I am sure that was the prime motivating factor.

I'd bet everything I have on it.

To me, the Catholic church is second only to Scientology as the 'religion' that has money as it's primary objective.

Ever wonder why priests, bishops, cardinals, etc are not allowed to marry?

[Lucas]

Ever wonder why priests, bishops, cardinals, etc are not allowed to marry?

to leave extra wimminz for me?

[Hardwork108]

Honestly, I always feel uneasy in Catholic Churches. They also have a long history of anti-Semitism.

Which is Ironic not least for the fact, that on one level, what we call "Christianity" comes from Judaism, another fantasy religion based on older belief systems created by the advanced civilization of Summerians and Babylonians, that spread to Egypt and other regions through the centuries, together with the bloodlines of the originators of the whole mumbo jumbo - "indoctrinate, divide and rule", scam. Some say that these were the interbreeding bloodlines who eventually became the Roman Emperors and then the Royal Families of Europe (who still interbreed).

I have also been told by a friend that he has read that the bank that is in charge of the Vatican treasury is a bank that is a Rothschilds family asset. Rothschilds are Eshkenazi Jews whose origins go back to the Caucaus region, between north of Iran and south of Russia approximately. This was a region that was dominated by the Khazar Empire (the main origin of the European Jewish population). The Khazars themselves came into being when parts of the Summarian race moved to the region many hundreds of years ago.

I find it an interesting coincidence (if true) that a banking family whose roots go back to Sumeria is looking after the treasury of a religious empire (who is supposed to be antisemetic), that one way or another, originated from the Summerian Empire......

[David Jamieson]

Man, enough about the RC church here. lol
Like any organization, it's got it's problems.

I don't think it fits in this world right now, but that's not to say they won't catch up and reinvent themselves to present to a new generation of people looking for religion, identity, answers to cosmic questions, christianity etc.

I was schooled Catholic and NEVER witnessed any sort of untowards behaviour from the clergy, it's nuns or anyone else for that matter.

So, all I know of the molestations and cover ups etc etc is utterly contrary to my own experience of at least a decade before moving into the public school system, where I saw much more chaos, lack of structure and people who were having difficulty learning shoved to the side and so on. Here nor there, but one thing I know for sure, there is value in being educated in the roman catholic school system.

In regards to secret societies, well, what are they?
Any society that is mentioned is open and welcomes new members.

It's not a secret society just because you're ignorant of it's machinations for instance.

If you don't know what Freemasonry is about and don't undertake to learn it, then you are ignorant of it and probably shouldn't be thoring it out there that it's a secret society. It's not.

And the same goes for any society.

the secret ones, we don't even know about I'm sure...seeing as they're secret after all. :)

[sanjuro_ronin]

Go peddle your common sense somewhere else !!

[David Jamieson]

Go peddle your common sense somewhere else !!

I try, but they keep deleting my posts and closing the threads! :D

[sanjuro_ronin]

I try, but they keep deleting my posts and closing the threads! :D

Just one of those many secret conspiracies.