Multiple Fighters in the Cage (more than two)

[GeneChing]

Three-man full-contact elimination to two-man MMA

San Do (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYXDY5dPhVI)
fight clip SAN DO .mov (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVZgtEVCypQ)

[Three Harmonies]

INCREDIBLY stupid and dangerous! New lows for the martial arts to sink to!

[Pork Chop]

INCREDIBLY stupid and dangerous! New lows for the martial arts to sink to!

really?
i think it's kinda interesting...

[SAAMAG]

Much how the general public judges all martial arts now by their effectivess in the UFC (in one on one combat), now the San Do will be the judge for what styles are the most effective in multiple opponent combat. Say bye bye to BJJ popularity!

It'll be like a reality show where people will make alliances just to get rid of one guy, then they'll turn on each other!!!

Bwahahahahaha!


On a serious note though...it has potential to be something worthwhile if the founders can figure out a way to safely market it to the state athletic commissioners. Are they going to use weight classes still? What is the limitation on gear? Will it even attract good fighters??

[Frost]

Much how the general public judges all martial arts now by their effectivess in the UFC (in one on one combat), now the San Do will be the judge for what styles are the most effective in multiple opponent combat. Say bye bye to BJJ popularity!

It'll be like a reality show where people will make alliances just to get rid of one guy, then they'll turn on each other!!!

Bwahahahahaha!


On a serious note though...it has potential to be something worthwhile if the founders can figure out a way to safely market it to the state athletic commissioners. Are they going to use weight classes still? What is the limitation on gear? Will it even attract good fighters??

BJJ would rule in this, take someone down choke them out whilst using them as a shield and then beat the cr^p out of the last guy :D


now being serious my 2 cents it won't even get off the ground:
1) it won't get sanctioned in many places, too much like an elimination event which alot of commissions are wary of.
2) no decent fighters will touch it with a 10 foot pole for obvious reasons (fighters arranging to gang up on someone, getting blindsided when actually beating someone etc)
3) the ring is rubbish its been tried before,if you get hit hard with a takedown you will probably come off the platform land in the crowd and get hurt

[neverfold]

I think i'd rather see a two on two style match.

[SAAMAG]

Why not just make a REAL royal rumble??! Just a bunch of guys duking it out until one is left standing!?

We can call it...Barfight-Do!

[sanjuro_ronin]

LMAO !!
Nice stuff !!
I am pretty sure that most matches will degenerate to a 2 on 1 then then a 1 on 1.
Don't see much point of it, if you can't beat 1 guy, fighting 2 is pointless, but I am sure some will find it entertaining.

[SAAMAG]

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It's how you gets the wooomen. Hey baybe, I can fights like 2 fellas at the saame time an's I do it on Teavee!

[GeneChing]

Here's the official website: San Do Kuen Martial Arts (http://sandokuen.com/)

I think this is very amusing. Anyone ever go to a pro wrasslin' battle royale? Those rocked.

I think MMA needs a weapons division. ;)

[sanjuro_ronin]

I think MMA needs a weapons division

The Dog Brothers tried to introduce it but the UFC said it was too "violent".

[SAAMAG]

Man that guys a TRIPLE black belt!!! And he GAVE HIMSELF a 5th dan in his founded system.

Though one thing about trying to gain multiple streams of income, you shouldn't make them all related to the same industry... if that industry suffers losses, your multiple streams will as well. Diversify man!!!

[San Soo Sifu]

Here's the official website: San Do Kuen Martial Arts (http://sandokuen.com/)

Hey Gene, I am pretty sure that these are two different groups of people; at two different locations. One appears to be based out of Washington State, and the other seems to be based out of Virginia.

MARTIAL ARTS ARE FOR SELF-DEFENSE, NOT COMPETITION (http://sandokuen.com/about/)
Many people confuse ring sports like boxing, MMA, UFC and kickboxing for self defense systems. Ring sports teach combative techniques, but the techniques are based on and limited by the rules of competition. On the street there are no rules. San Do Kuen focuses on techniques that will save your life, not win you a trophy.

SDK Headquarters
Gig Harbor Karate Academy:
6820 Kimball Drive, Suite D, Gig Harbor, WA 98335
Contact Information:
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•Email: founder@sandokuen.com


San Do (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYXDY5dPhVI)
Text Comments (170)

Trust me its real. We have done 10 fights under the Virginia Boxing Commission.

Yes the sport is tense, but if you truly understand fighting more than one guy you can do it safely. The rules took a very long time to create and were approved by both VA and FL. Both of which are conservative boards. There are 2 Refs and the action is very well controlled.

[GeneChing]

Washington DC/Washington state: Virginia....you can understand my confusion. Thanks for the correction, San Soo Sifu.

[Frost]

MARTIAL ARTS ARE FOR SELF-DEFENSE, NOT COMPETITION (http://sandokuen.com/about/)
Many people confuse ring sports like boxing, MMA, UFC and kickboxing for self defense systems. Ring sports teach combative techniques, but the techniques are based on and limited by the rules of competition. On the street there are no rules. San Do Kuen focuses on techniques that will save your life, not win you a trophy.

(170)[/QUOTE]

translation: we can't fight our way out of a paperbag against real fighters so we pretend we are too deadly to compete against them :)

[RenDaHai]

No, i don't have a video, my apologies.

But i am interested in peoples opinions in what would happen?

Many of you attend MMA classes, would anyone be up for trying it and seeing if/how it plays out?

What i mean is 5 mma guys on a team against 5 other mma guys on a team. I think this would be really interesting to see how it plays out as group strategy would become more important than individual skill.

This means that if two guys are on the floor and you are free you are allowed to kick the opponent in the head while he is on the floor. In order to do this safely i would suggest a light tap with the foot and a five taps to the head by a standing opponent and your out rule.... seems about right?

Not trying to start another Kungfu vs mma argument here, I just think it would be an interesting learning experience. I don't know any statistics but I believe a good portion of real fights (certainly in my experience) involve group combat.

If not would anyone be interested in at least trying a 2 on 2 full contact? What are peoples opinions on how it would play out and how the fighting strategy would change?

[Knifefighter]

No, i don't have a video, my apologies.

But i am interested in peoples opinions in what would happen?

Many of you attend MMA classes, would anyone be up for trying it and seeing if/how it plays out?

What i mean is 5 mma guys on a team against 5 other mma guys on a team. I think this would be really interesting to see how it plays out as group strategy would become more important than individual skill.

This means that if two guys are on the floor and you are free you are allowed to kick the opponent in the head while he is on the floor. In order to do this safely i would suggest a light tap with the foot and a five taps to the head by a standing opponent and your out rule.... seems about right?

Not trying to start another Kungfu vs mma argument here, I just think it would be an interesting learning experience. I don't know any statistics but I believe a good portion of real fights (certainly in my experience) involve group combat.

If not would anyone be interested in at least trying a 2 on 2 full contact? What are peoples opinions on how it would play out and how the fighting strategy would change?

I've done it. The strategy depends on the skill-sets of the participants.

[RenDaHai]

cool,

So like, what happened? Did you go to the ground as much? Did you all choose one opponent each or did you try to all go for one guy at a time? I mean like, how did it play out?

Ive done lots of group sparring but I have never tried a full contact group match.... i imagine it would be quite an experience.

[RenDaHai]

@Andy

Cool, Yes I assumed footwork would become more important....

I think it would be really interesting to see what kind of Martial art would evolve if team fights became a popular thing.....

[GeneChing]

Remember San Do (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56696)?

[Lucas]

ive never done that, ive done one on group but never group on group and ive only done sparring in one on group never full contact. its fun but hard and strategy, tactic and footwork are extremely important. i would think 2 vs 2 would be the best place to start as a progression to larger group fights. what are some arts that stress group fighting? krav maga comes to mind. but again what ive seen is primarily 1 vs group.

[Syn7]

ive been involved in undisciplined rumbles... its really ugly... really ugly... esspecially when weapons are involved...

it would be iteresting to create strategy for this in a sporting sense... ad weapons and its no different than fighting a war...

[GeneChing]

Here's another 3X3 multiple fighters cage match. I'm retitling this thread to Multiple Fighters in the Cage (more than two) because it's more general than San Do. Is San Do still going?

I also merged a thread about a 5X5 cage match above (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?56696-Multiple-Fighters-in-the-Cage-(more-than-two)&p=1055447#post1055447).


Philippine MMA Promotion Hosts Extremely Sloppy 3-On-3 Fight (https://deadspin.com/philippine-mma-promotion-hosts-extremely-sloppy-3-on-3-1834386031)
Patrick Redford
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Last weekend, regional Philippine MMA promotion Universal Reality Combat Championship showcased several of the Philippines’ most promising fighters fighting the normal way, and then also six other dudes fighting three-on-three. It was not as action-packed as you might imagine.

The match featured three fighters from the Philippines taking on three fighters from China, with three referees trying to contain the action. Most of the bout consisted of three separate regular fights, though teammates tried to help each other out here and there. The whole experiment mercifully ended after about a minute when one of the Chinese fighters complained about blows to the back of his head.


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@streetfitebanch
3 vs. 3 MMA. Insanity this morning at URCC 77 in the Philippines.
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10:36 AM · Apr 27, 2019

URCC hosted a similar bout three years ago. That fight featured some wild knockouts, which was probably why the promotion wanted to try it again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpSHtMq0YAE

Maybe they should’ve added an obstacle course to really shake things up.

You have to follow the twitter link to see the fight.

[GeneChing]

Video: 3 vs. 1 fight ends in predictably absurd beatdown (https://www.mmafighting.com/2021/8/1/22604177/video-3-vs-1-fight-ends-in-predictably-absurd-beatdown)
By Alexander K. Lee @AlexanderKLee Aug 1, 2021, 2:00pm EDT

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Three men fight one at an Elite Fighters event in Rzeszow, Poland, on Saturday @Grabaka_Hitman, Twitter
Though MMA bouts can be wildly unpredictable, there are some results that even the most casual viewer can see coming from miles away.

Case in point: When three guys fight one guy, it’s probably not going to go well for the one guy.

That axiom played out in brutal fashion Saturday at an Elite Fighters event in Rzeszow, Poland, where a fighter identified as Kung Fu Panda took on a trio of opponents, Milosz Wlodkowski (“Modlicha”), Maciej Szwech (“Szwechu”) and Norbert Grazka (“Neted”). It’s unclear how much training any of these men had, but clearly the team of three didn’t need much to roll over Kung Fu Panda in a matter of seconds.

Whatever Kung Fu Panda’s level of martial arts expertise is, it wasn’t nearly enough to prevent his opponents from swarming him. He was immediately dragged to the mat by one of the three and then held down while the other two pummeled him with punches and hammerfists to the head.

The entire freak show fight was chronicled in hilarious fashion by Twitter’s resident MMA historian, Caposa (@Grabaka_Hitman).
There are links to twitter vids on the original article.

[GeneChing]

Bodies were strewn across the canvas when all hell broke loose in a 3 v 3 women's MMA match (https://www.insider.com/3-vs-3-womens-fight-as-feral-as-you-think-2021-8)
Alan Dawson Aug 23, 2021, 5:14 AM
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All hell breaks loose in a team fighting event from Poland. Photo from The War 2 event in Poland
The Devils beat The Bad Girls in a three vs. three MMA event earlier this month.
Team events are rare in this combat discipline.
And after seeing the footage below, you can see that this is perhaps with good reason.

Bodies were strewn across the canvas when all hell broke loose at a three vs. three women's MMA match that took place at a sub-regional sports event in Poland, earlier this month.

Even in a combat discipline where bumps, bruises, blood and guts can be commonplace, the vast majority of fights happen when one individual competes against another.

Team events are therefore rare — and when you see footage of the Devils fighting the Bad Girls at an event dubbed The War 2, you can see it is perhaps for good reason that these fights don't happen often.

It was not long before the Devils dropped their first opponent, captured their second, and then swarmed the third and final Bad Girl to close the show.

The match barely lasted more than two minutes, and two of the three referees were needed to ensure the fighting had truly finished.

Watch the weird, wild chaos below:


It is unlikely we will ever see this kind of event break into mainstream MMA.

The "weird, wild chaos below:" is a twitter link - see https://twitter.com/streetfitebncho/status/1426649570096914434

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Multiple-Fighters-in-the-Cage-(more-than-two) (https://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?56696-Multiple-Fighters-in-the-Cage-(more-than-two))
Women-in-MMA (https://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?46722-Women-in-MMA)

[wuxiaman]

Many years ago, I made a suggestion to a MMA gym owner friend who also runs a local independent pro-wrestling promotion. That suggestion was to create tag team MMA, and boy was I not prepared for the YouTube video that he showed me which is no different from the videos in this thread. :eek:

[GeneChing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj8VZmEaa5w