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wiz cool c

03-16-2010, 08:32 AM

My last post was a wrong translation. i just finished learning a tiger form, may or may not be connected to hung gar the name is Gong Zi Fu Hu Quan, anyone know about this form and have any links to it?

CFT

03-16-2010, 09:24 AM

It is a Hung Gar form.

Take your pick, hopefully you can see these vids in China:

http://so.tudou.com/isearch/%E5%B7%A5%E5%AD%97%E4%BC%8F%E8%99%8E%E6%8B%B3/

wiz cool c

03-16-2010, 10:46 PM

tried that yesterday,not there, but thanks.

David Jamieson

03-17-2010, 06:14 AM

Gong Zi Fu Hu Quan = Gong ji fook fu kuen

-Along the I shape, subdue the tiger.-

cerebus

03-17-2010, 08:13 AM

Yup. Gung Ji Fook Fu Kuen, generally one of the first forms taught in Hung Gar.

wiz cool c

03-17-2010, 09:29 AM

I have seen that form many time and even learned it a while back from Yees Hung Gar. This is a totally different form. I don't know why I keep getting these wrong translations.

David Jamieson

03-17-2010, 10:29 AM

I have seen that form many time and even learned it a while back from Yees Hung Gar. This is a totally different form. I don't know why I keep getting these wrong translations.

Hung Gar has spent a while off the mainland.
The translation problems are coming from the names not being in the Cantonese and instead being in putonghua (mandarin).

Also, Hung style is not all the same, but shares many same things from it's shaolin roots.

So forms can look quite different in pattern and sequence, but often, they contain the same information oddly enough!

Old Hung Gar, LSW Hung Gar, Tang Fung Hung Gar, Sil Lum Tiger Crane, Sil Lum Black Tiger...all Hung styles and all different from each.

You are not going to find one school doing exactly the same thing as another. There will always be flavour added.

If it's from the same line, it will resemble more closely, if the break in the line occurred earlier, greater changes may exist.

IN all honesty, I'd just be happy with what I am learning and continue on and not worry too much about it.

the lineage and intellectual stuff really doesn't matter much if the training is sound. :)

wiz cool c

03-17-2010, 11:57 AM

Thanks for the info David. Do you or anyone know of a link showing this form [Mui Fa Kuen] other than youtube. the description sound like it might be the form. it is short and has tiger claw movements.

03-17-2010, 01:12 PM

loads of Hong Jia Quan/Hung Ga Kyun info at www.hungkyun.com, including gong zi fu hu quan/gung ji fuk fu kyun, eg. here:

http://www.hungkyun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1074

http://www.hungkyun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=912

http://www.hungkyun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=321

mei hua quan/mui fa kyun:

http://www.hungkyun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=203

http://www.hungkyun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=567

http://www.hungkyun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=645

video links here:

http://www.hungkyun.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=12

David Jamieson

03-17-2010, 01:55 PM

Asmo

03-19-2010, 07:40 AM

David Jamieson

03-24-2010, 12:34 PM

Yang abundance, I don't know... The discussions there are always on topic, very civilized, and fights are practically non-existent.

If you are into Hung Kuen, be sure to at least check the forum out before you judge. There is a lot to be gained from a great bunch of people. :)

Hung Kuen Yat Gar!

lol, I did check it out and that's why I made that comment. I find it funny that you would make this remark as it was a couple of your comments that made me think that! Like where you bag on this forum for being run down etc.. :D

It's all good man. But don't rag on me for making my comment. :p

sanjuro_ronin

03-24-2010, 12:44 PM

Hung Gar has spent a while off the mainland.
The translation problems are coming from the names not being in the Cantonese and instead being in putonghua (mandarin).

Also, Hung style is not all the same, but shares many same things from it's shaolin roots.

So forms can look quite different in pattern and sequence, but often, they contain the same information oddly enough!

Old Hung Gar, LSW Hung Gar, Tang Fung Hung Gar, Sil Lum Tiger Crane, Sil Lum Black Tiger...all Hung styles and all different from each.

You are not going to find one school doing exactly the same thing as another. There will always be flavour added.

If it's from the same line, it will resemble more closely, if the break in the line occurred earlier, greater changes may exist.

IN all honesty, I'd just be happy with what I am learning and continue on and not worry too much about it.

the lineage and intellectual stuff really doesn't matter much if the training is sound. :)

Quite correct, mine is from Macao.

TenTigers

03-24-2010, 04:09 PM

we are pretty harsh critics, I admit. But at the same time, you'll never see a more supportive group either. We want Hung Kuen to grow and maintain high standards of excellence.

03-24-2010, 11:52 PM

so far so good at hungkyun.com, nice guys over there, and plenty of useful information over there - more stuff on the way, eg. http://www.hungkyun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1138

wiz cool c

03-25-2010, 04:53 AM

the name they are giving me is subdue tiger, but i have learned a version and seen others and it isn't the form. I wil try to describe it hopping someone knows this form.

Stars with a cross stance, then cat stance open hand and fist solute. the hands are apart not touching,you then step backso you feet are together and fist at your sides. you then step into a 45% angle cross stanceand cross you armsnear the wrist, your left foot is foward, then step into a right foward cross stance on a 45% angle and do a right hand hammer fist strike out to your right side, and you left hand is is extended over your head in a sideways knife hand.

then step out into a hourse stance twards your left, your right hand goes to your hip in a fist, and left hand out in a defensive hip level knife hand gaurd position. you then shift into a fron stance and do aright hand vertical punch, your left and is in a budda bless you position near your chest.
[finish the rest after i get back from class]

wiz cool c

03-25-2010, 09:12 AM

after the vertical punch, you make tiger claws with your hands the take a step foward with your right foot into a lunge type stance while doing a left arm tiger claw strike foward. your right hand pulls back twards your right shoulder also in a tiger claw hand position. after this move your left footsteps foward into a horse stance changing dirrections. from the horse stance you do the standard one finger extended four finger bent dynamic tention foward press folowed by the the upward elbow then circle the elbows downward, after this motion while still in a horse stance do a double foward spear hands towards neck level.

after this motion jump into horse a side horse stance bring your fist infront of your body left hand over right about a ffoot infront of your chest. then turn towards your front and do a double upward block while shifting into a front stance. after this motion you change direction into the lunge type stance and do a right hand knife hand neck level, left hand goes to hip.
[Finish rest latter]

wiz cool c

03-26-2010, 08:17 AM

you then turn around and perform a long swing upper cut, with your left handwhile in a wide right foot foward front stance. this is folowd by a right hand wideswing uuper cut whil steppin foward into a left foward front stance. you then shift your wait to you rear leg while bring your left hand into a tiger claw waiste level and your right right hand into a claw at your right hip, you the shift foward into a left foward front stance and do the famous grab pull down with the lead hand,and foward claw to the face with the rear hand,[while in a front stance.]

now from your left foward front stance you twist your hips so that you are in a left foward cross stance, at the same time you hands form fist, and cross arm in front of your waist at the forarms. You then step foward into a right foot foward horse stance and do two downward back fist out to the sides,[one face infront of you,and the other behaind you.

you then shift your weight to your rear leg form a butterfly double palm, shift foward and do a double hand butterfly strike.you the take two quick cross stance steps foward while shift your hands into butterfly palms while stepping. you finish this movement with a left foot foward front stance and do a right hand kife hand to the neck, the left finger tips are touching the right arm forarm.

from your left foot foward front stance left and right hand reach out in two clawing hands as if grabbing someones arm, you then do a pulling motion while performing a right leg stomp kick knee level. quick followed by another knife hand to the neck with the right hand,left hand is touching the right forearm while doing the knife hand. [to be continued]

wiz cool c

03-27-2010, 03:39 AM

you then step with your right foot infront of you left foot into a kou bu stance called in bagua[feet form a t and are closs together]. while your right hand forms a claw and is infront of your head and left arm is forming a claw hand infront of you stomach. you then step out to your rear with your left foot into a left foot foward front stance and do a low grabbing tiger claw with your left hand and a face level straight tiger claw to the face [ the most standard move in hung gar]

then swing your right arm above your head finishing the move at a 45% angle behind you, while your foward left handswings up to chin level in front of you, at this time you lift your left leg so that you are in a one leg stance,left arm extened infront in a claw and right hand extened behind slightly higher,[both arm are almost straight one in front one behind, both hands in claws, while the left leg is off the ground in a crane stance]

after this place your left foot infront of you, bring you arms towards your right rear and form fist, then shift into a foward left foot front stance while swing left hand in a backfist and a right hand palm area fist foward. after thisdo a right hand midle block, then step back with the left foot into a right leg foward cross stance and do a left arm middle block while in the cross stance, then your right foot steps back int a front stance and do a right hand reverse punch while in a left foward front stance.

then bring both of your arm in a short downward backfist motion infront of you body [leaving your hands infront of you as if you ar giving you hands to be handcuffed but panlm face up in fist]. you then do a little skip jump foward and land with your feet togheter and fist chambered at you sides. then step foward with your right foot and then do a left stomp kick face level, folowed by a quick shffule hop into a left foward lung type stance and do a double tiger claw foward chest level. [to be continued]